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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

98.0. "studios and engineering" by CHAMP2::DREHER () Mon May 20 1985 22:23

This note is an off-shoot of note 81.

Hi, my name is Dave Dreher, and I'm a programmer for F/S at PK3-2.  A friend
of mine who is heavy into notes files turned me on to this one and I'm
excited.  I'm real curious as to what kind of studio set-ups people have
out there and what type of music you're trying to create.  I'll start with
myself.

I'm best described as a Guitarist/Keyboard-programmer/Engineer/Producer and
I have sunk a lot of time and money into this passtime.  I'm trying to 
record an original dance/radio type demo that is of professional quality
and learn as much as possible on the way.  My home studio consists of:


    Recording gear:

	Tascam 244 4-track cassette recorder
	Tascam 122 2-track cassette recorder
	Studiomaster 6 track stereo board
	ART 01a Digital Reverb
	Tascam Stereo Spring Reverb
	Roland SDE-3000 Digital Delay
	Delta Lab Effectron ADM-256 Digital Delay
	DBX 160 Compressor/Limiter
	Biamp 210 Stereo 10-Band Graffic Equalizer
	Audio-Technica ATM-41 Mics (2)
	Tascam 32 Input Patch Bay
	Conn Strobo-Tuner
	Sony Stereo System (60 watts)

    Instruments:

	Roland Jupiter-6 Synth (MIDI)
	Roland Juno-60 Synth (DCB)
	Roland MSQ-700 Keyboard Recorder (MIDI 8 ch. Sequencer)
	Roland MD-8 MIDI<>DCB Interface
	LinnDrum
	Gallien-Krueger 100 Amp (Stereo)
	Kramer Voyager Guitar (whammy bar)
	Boss DE-2 Analog Delay pedal
	Boss CE-2 Chorus
	Poly-Sync Clock Box (sycronize the MSQ-700 and the LinnDrum)


The way I record is first to program the LinnDrum and the MSQ-700.
This means creating patterns and then linking them together, trying
different combinations.  Both the Linn and the MSQ can be programmed
in step time.  The Poly-Sync keeps them in time together.  I use the
Juno to record parts on a particular MIDI channel into the MSQ.
The Jupiter can be run in split keyboard mode, always MIDI channels 1
and 2.  I usually use MIDI ch 2 for bass, MIDI ch 1 for some other
sound (the Jupiter has a great piano).  MIDI ch 3 is the Juno.  On the
Linn I use four outputs: Kick Drum, Snare Drum, Cymbals (panned to the 
left output), and Everything Else (panned right).  These outputs (some
going to my effects rack first) and my synth outputs go in the
Studiomaster, except for cymbals. They go into one side of the EQ
so I can cut bass and mid-range and then straight into Ch 3 of the 244.
Ch 4 on the 244 is Spring reverb return (from aux on all 4 channels
on the 244).  Ch 1 and 2 on the 244 are Left and Right sends from
the Studiomaster.  The 01a digital reverb is the effects send and
return on the Studiomaster.  Any delay is done on any output directly.
I have the luxury of two delays.

The free channel on the Studiomaster is for either guitar or vocals.
My wife is a singer (we use to play in the same cover band together,
doing bars).  This way I can try out arrangements for a whole band,
before anything touches tape.  This set up is amazing.  I've done
some original material and it came out decent.  But I just recently
got the MSQ, 01a, and Poly-sync so I'm practicing my engineering
doing cover tunes.  The idea is to see how closely I can duplicate
'Hit' songs, recorded by the worlds best engineers.  Then I can apply
this knowlege to original material.  Eventually I'm going to need
an 8-track, especially on mixdown.


Any thoughts or questions?
Anybody else getting serious about their engineering?


						Dave
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98.1SAUTER::SAUTERTue May 21 1985 11:2213
I am well below you in the music recording process.  I have only a Yamaha
DX7, Roland SBX-80, Fostex 350 8 by 4 mixer, and a Fostex 8-track recorder.

One thing that I use which you don't is a computer.  I have an Apple II with
a Roland MPU-401 MIDI interface, plus software to link all of the above
together.  If you find that you are running beyond the limits of the MSQ-700
you should consider replacing it by a computer-based sequencer.

I looked into the step entry features of the MSQ-700 when I was revising
my software and decided I didn't like them much.  I don't see how to do chords
in which one note of the chord ends before the others.  Do you have any problems
with the step entry feature?  Do you have any suggestions for improving it?
    John Sauter
98.2KATADN::BOTTOMTue May 21 1985 13:3915
 You are definately well equiped. I'm using a Tascam 234 4 chan cassette deck,
a teac pe-20/px-20 mixer (very basic), an Ibanez Dm-1000 digital delay (noisy),
a Roland JX3-P, a Roladn TR-707 drum synth (nice) and a Washburn A-20, a Strat,
a Fender Lead-1 with a Kahler whammy, a Fender Tele Custom Thinline, and a
Takimine acoustic with the built in piezioelectric pickups. 
 At this time I am learning to play the JX3-P and have done some very low grade
sequencer programming. I'm recording all original stuff when I record, which
isn't as often as I would like. I would compare musch of it to some earlier
King Crimsom (heavy strings etc) and some of it is definately rock/blues type
material. I'm not as interested in making a perfect tape as I am in getting
the ideas fleshed out for future reference (I'm still interested in actively
gigging).
 How about a review of the roland digital delay? I'm considering one myself.

                                     *db*
98.3CHAMP2::DREHERTue May 21 1985 14:0329
re: -.1

I haven't tried to do that yet but I know a way around it.  Say you want
to play a Dm7 chord (4 notes) for 2 beats but want to sustain the D and
A notes out for 4 beats.  I'd program C and F# for 2 beats on one MSQ track
and then program D and A on another and then merge the two tracks (making
sure they match up).  I've gotten to the point were I can program the MSQ
fairly quick.

For complicated songs I designed blank program sheets were I can write out
what a song is going to look like on both the Linn and MSQ by measure.
These are work sheets and I modify them as I go along.

The only things I don't like about the MSQ step time is that if you have
a long MSQ track and want to add more on to the end, it takes a few seconds
to load and place the pointer at the end of the track.  Also, you can't
edit a track in the middle, as you loose data from that point on.
Storage is another problem.  You only can store roughly 8000 notes (enough
to store 'The Entertainer') so I use the tape backup and load function alot.
The Linn has no such problems.  It loads quickly, allows editing on both
songs and patterns, and has lots of memory.  It sounds great too because it
uses sampled sounds.  That's why it is the studio standard drum machine.
I can tell a Linn instantly on the radio, most notably by the hand clap.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with it right now.

Does your system print out the sheet music of what has been entered and
does it allow editing?

98.4--UnknownUser--Tue May 21 1985 14:150
98.5CHAMP2::DREHERTue May 21 1985 14:154
re: -.1

Ooops, the F# should be an F in the Dm7 chord...
98.6SAUTER::SAUTERTue May 21 1985 20:3712
re: .4--My system does not print sheet music (I wish it could!).  It does
allow editing in the middle of a song.  However, it is pretty slow.  A useful
feature is that it shows you the note on/note off events near the current
time on the CRT.  That helps to give you some context as you edit.

In the past I have marked up sheet music when I recorded music; I expect
I will continue to do this.  I am not a composer, so I don't record anything
that is not already in the form of sheet music.

I have heard that there is some software for the IBM PC that will print sheet
music from a MIDI song file.  I won't believe it until I see it.
    John Sauter
98.7Need to make a dub!ICS::BUCKLEYno one home in my house of painTue Apr 17 1990 15:597
    Anyone in here have a home studio with a two-tk machine that accepts
    10" reels at 15ips?  I need to make a cassette dub off of said reel!
    
    If so, pls send mail to moi at ICS::BUCKLEY to book some 'studio time'.
    
    Thanks,
    Buck
98.8but mine's in ArizonaSALSA::MOELLERCan you say 'filesystem' ?Tue Apr 17 1990 17:5710
       <<< Note 98.7 by ICS::BUCKLEY "no one home in my house of pain" >>>
>    Anyone in here have a home studio with a two-tk machine that accepts
>    10" reels at 15ips?  
    
    Ambiguous.. two-track like half-track ?  or two-track like 4-track
    stereo (like a normal cassette).. ?
    
    In either case, an old TEAC 3340 could do the trick.  
    
    karl
98.9Help!ICS::BUCKLEYno one home in my house of painWed Apr 18 1990 01:066
    -1
    
    Two TK as in 1/4" stereo mastering tape.
    
    Sorry for the ambiguity.
    Buck