Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    This topic will serve as a repository for conferences related to
    COMMUSIC.  The reply title should list the location of the conference.
    Informative text such as the conference charter or a brief description
    should also be entered. 

    Finally, the reply should have a conference tied to it using the
    following command: 

 	Notes> SET NOTE /CONF=node::conference

    This will allow the reader to add a conference to his/her notebook by
    simply pressing the SELECT or KP7 keys. 

For more information  about  a  great  music computer, try accessing the
     Macintosh Notes Conference.  Most of  the Mac-music related info is
     in  this  conference  (Commusic),  but this great sequencing engine
     does  alot  more  than  just  sequencing.   You'll find info  about
     Macintosh    prices,    configurations,    software,   peripherals,
     accessories, etc..

/Mitch

                <<< RAINBO::$2$DUA9:[WASSER]MACINTOSH.NOTE;1 >>>
                         -<   Apple Macintosh Forum   >-
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Note 1.0                            Greetings                          6 replies
VIKING::WASSER                                        7 lines   4-MAY-1984 14:28
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	This note file is intended to be a public forum for the discussion
	of the Apple Macintosh.  Any information you have found useful and
	wish to share is welcomed.  Please remember to put your name and
	Enet address at the end of your notes and responses.

			John A. Wasser (VIKING::WASSER)

    Another good conference, for conference participants who are Atari ST
    owners. 

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 

             <<< BOLT::MAY14$DUA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]ATARIST.NOTE;1 >>>
                       -< Atari's 68000 based systems. >-
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Note 1.0                             Welcome                           3 replies
BOLT::BAILEY "Steph Bailey"                           8 lines   4-APR-1988 10:50
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    Welcome to the new conference for Atari's 68000 based systems.
    
    For information on Atari's 8 bit line, please use ASG3::ATARI8
    
    The old version of this conference is accessible as MAY14::OLD_ATARIST.
    Caveat: This file has been corrupted and tends to crash VMSNOTES.
    
    Your moderators are Ray Wallace and I.
    

           <<< CITZEN::DUA0:[NOTES$LIBRARY]CLASSICAL_MUSIC.NOTE;1 >>>
                                 Classical Music
Created: 15-JUN-1988 16:55         184 topics         Updated:  5-OCT-1988 15:00

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Note 1.0                     Welcome and Guidelines                    8 replies
CITZEN::SYSTEM "CITZEN System Noter"                 22 lines  15-JUN-1988 17:37
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    This conference has been established for the discussion of all 
    aspects of Classical Music... from composers and artists to 
    recording techniques and reference recordings, plus everything
    in between - including live performances as well.
    
    Creation of this conference grew out of a discussion in the
    DSSDEV::AUDIO conference (see note 1669 and its replies).  In
    keeping with the spirit of that discussion, and the general
    "hardware" focus of AUDIO, this conference should be focused
    on the "software" aspects of classical music.
    
    Conference guidelines are given in replies to this note (courtesy 
    Dave Blickstein, MUSIC conference moderator).  Please look the
    guidelines over before entering notes or replies.
    
    Your moderators are:
    
    John Genet at          Jim Lawrence at        Dick Rosenberg at
    CITZEN::Genet          FACT01::Lawrence       TELCOM::Rosenberg
     or
    VISUAL::Genet
    
    

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook.

            <<< PIG::SYS$SYSDEVICE:[NOTES$LIBRARY]CH_MUSIC.NOTE;2 >>>
                         Christian Musicians' Conference
Created: 16-OCT-1986 16:16          51 topics         Updated:  5-OCT-1988 13:46

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Note 1.0         Introductory note - see replys for further info       3 replies
DYO780::SCHAFER "Sir Loin of Beef"                    0 lines  16-OCT-1986 16:21
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    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 

              <<< YODA::DISK$DATA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]DRUMS.NOTE;1 >>>
                               Drums and Drummers
Created: 16-DEC-1987 14:41         114 topics         Updated:  5-OCT-1988 04:54
                  -< Welcome to Drums, Timing Required! ;^) >-

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Note 1.0                          Introduction                         8 replies
YODA::COOK "Gorehound on the loose, film at 11"      24 lines  16-DEC-1987 14:53
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    	Hello and welcome to the DRUMS Notes Conference! This notes
    conference was created as a forum for  Drummers  of all levels,
    Percussionists,  and anyone who is intrested in  any way  about 
    Drums.
    
    	It's my pleasure to bring about this conference and Moderate
    it. It will be my intention to have a co-Moderator when deemed
    neccesary.
    
    	This conference will adhere to the rules stated in the Policy
    and Procedures manual. Any notes not adhering to these policies
    will be deleted upon the authors notification. 
    
	Equipment topics, Technical tips, and many other things related 
    to Drums is welcome!
    
    
    		Enjoy,
    
    			Peter
    
    
    	    	 

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 
    
         <<< COOKIE::DISK$SYSTEM_3:[NOTES$LIBRARY]FOLK_MUSIC.NOTE;1 >>>
                                   FOLK MUSIC
Created: 21-OCT-1986 10:08         431 topics         Updated:  5-OCT-1988 07:10
        -< Patronize your local coffeehouse....do dir/key=COFFEEHOUSE >-

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Note 1.0                             Welcome                          19 replies
HBO::HENDRICKS "Holly Hendricks"                     27 lines  21-OCT-1986 10:26
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    The purpose of this conference is to provide a forum for all 
    types of folk music enthusiasts to share views and information on
    performers, instruments, concerts, recordings, and related topics.
    Please feel free to discuss the history, origins and politics of
    folk music as well.
    
    Participants are encouraged to give and request information about
    teachers, places to purchase instruments, and other pertinent
    resources.  (I would like to encourage people to put a flag at the
    beginning of notes which are only of limited geographic interest,
    though, since I have heard that people *outside* the greater Boston
    area often notice a slight geocentric bias towards this area!)
    
    Traditional folk and folk revival topics are welcome here, as are 
    topics concerning various types of ethnic music.   
    
    When discussing the idea for this conference with other people,
    the main concern I heard was, "It will will just degenerate into
    a lot of arguments about what is and isn't folk music".  I don't
    want that to happen--lively discussion is welcomed, but I hope that
    people will start new topics which reflect *their* views and interests
    rather than spawn endless arguments which are unresolvable!
    
    Welcome to the folk music conference.
    
    Holly
                                                     

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 
    
         <<< IRDEV::SYS$SYSDEVICE:[NOTES$LIBRARY]HEAVY_METAL.NOTE;2 >>>
                              Metal 'til you die...
Created:  4-MAY-1988 20:23         263 topics         Updated:  5-OCT-1988 16:31
                  -< A day that will live on in infamy 10/4 >-

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Note 1.0                       Son Of Heavy Metal                        1 reply
HSSWS1::GREG                                         22 lines   4-MAY-1988 20:33
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    	   Welcome to the NEW Heavy Metal Conference.  Unfortunately,
    	the contents of the old conference were destroyed before they
    	could be copied to HSSWS1, but at least it died in infancy,
    	so there's not much to replace.
    
    	   Heavy Metal is about Rock music.  If you don't like hard
    	driving guitar licks and pounding drum beats, then Heavy
    	Metal is not for you.  We're serious about our music here,
    	and we won't tolerate the presence of wimps.  Don't try to
    	convert us to gospel or easy listening... we haven't got
    	time for that noise here.  
    
    	   So, if you haven't been offended so far... if you like
    	the sound of REAL music, then welcome to Heavy Metal.  The
    	moderators of this conference (Myself, ANT::SLABOUNTY, and
    	YODA::COOK) are here to insure that thing don't get TOO
    	far out of hand.  So, smash your television before MTV rots
    	your brain, crank up the stereo, and enter the world of
    	Heavy Metal.
    
    	- Greg Davis

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 
    
            <<< HEART::DISK$TOOLS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]UK_MUSIC.NOTE;1 >>>
                             The UK Music Conference
Created: 28-MAR-1988 17:23         228 topics         Updated:  5-OCT-1988 21:18

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Note 1.0                          Introduction                        No replies
HEART::WARD                                           8 lines  28-MAR-1988 17:25
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    This conference has been set up to discuss music, both live and
    recorded. It is a "sister" conference to the US-based MUSIC conference.
    The name - UK_MUSIC - is meant only to reflect on the location of the
    file: it is not meant to impose any restrictions on subject matter or
    contributors. All are welcome! 
                                  
    Feel fre to continue in here any active topic from the old
    LIVE_MUSIC_UK conference.

    The circuits conference is about mostly standard mostly digital
    integrated circuits.  To discuss digital-to-analog ICs or
    successive-approximation registers ICs or memories, hit pf7
    Tom

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 
    
             <<< BOMBE::DISK_NOTES$LIBRARY:[000000]AMIGA.NOTE;1 >>>
                                   AMIGA NOTES
Created: 26-APR-1986 10:05         1746 topics        Updated:  5-OCT-1988 16:11
                        -< Conference directory in 9.1 >-

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Note 1.0                             Welcome                           9 replies
SPHINX::SWEATT                                       13 lines  26-APR-1986 10:07
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    	This notes file is for the discussion of the AMIGA computer.
    Please do not add notes here about the other computers manufactured
    by commodore. Thank you and happy noting.
                                             
    
    
    
    
    
    							Jim Sweatt
    							SPHINX::SWEATT
    

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 
    
               <<< DSSDEV::PUBLIC$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]AUDIO.NOTE;1 >>>
                             The Emperor's New Audio
Created:  4-FEB-1986 02:55         1841 topics        Updated:  5-OCT-1988 16:15
             -< Place FOR SALE items in note 1456, WANTED in 1467 >-

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Note 1.0                          Introduction                        34 replies
SMILEY::MARSHALL                                     13 lines  26-SEP-1983 17:45
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This notes file is intended for the exchange of information on, as the title
suggests, audio systems and components.

Topics related to the audio portions of video equipment belong in the VIDEO
notes file so they don't get missed by those only concentrating in that area. 

Cross topics (e.g. connections between VCR's and pre-amps) should go into the
notes file that covers the primary component of discussion.  If, as the note
and its replies progress, it becomes evident that the main topic of the
discussion has changed to the primary concern of the other notes file, a note
should be put into that other notes file to inform people who primarily use it
-- also put a reply to that affect in the primary file.  This action is the
responsibility of those involved in the discussion. 

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 
    
             <<< COOKIE::DISK$SYSTEM_3:[NOTES$LIBRARY]CD.NOTE;1 >>>
                       Welcome to the CD Notes Conference
Created: 17-FEB-1986 11:54         1342 topics        Updated:  5-OCT-1988 10:25
                             -< Welcome to COOKIE >-

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Note 1.0                            CD Notes                           9 replies
GOLD::WEAVER                                          4 lines  13-DEC-1983 14:57
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Use this NOTES file to get discussions going about Compact Discs.

					-Dave

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 
    
          <<< NTSC::DISK$NTSC_USER1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]PRO_VIDEO.NOTE;1 >>>
                         Pro/Industrial/Broadcast Video
Created: 20-JUN-1988 11:45          16 topics         Updated:  3-OCT-1988 08:21

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Note 1.0                          Introduction                         2 replies
NTSC::MICKOL                                          9 lines  20-JUN-1988 11:49
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This conference will deal with professional, industrial and broadcast video
issues, equipment and applications. If you know of anyone who has an interest
in or who works in this end of the video industry, please point them to this
file. 

Any discussion of consumer issues or equipment should be directed to the VIDEO 
conference.

Jim

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 

            <<< COMET::COMET$DISK7:[NOTES$LIBRARY]RECORDS.NOTE;2 >>>
                                RECORDS ON VINYL
Created: 28-JUL-1986 16:27         779 topics         Updated:  5-OCT-1988 15:26
         -< New Records noters please read NOTE #85.  Sign in at #190 >-

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Note 1.0                       The Licorice Pizza                      4 replies
DONNER::STEWART "He's no fun...he fell right over"   32 lines  29-JUL-1986 14:32
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    This conference is for the discussion of Records made of vinyl.
    There are those who think that the vinyl record will become
    the next dinosaur, extinction is imminent.  This argument is
    supported by the fact that a CD file exists, but there is, until
    now, no file for the discussion of vinyl disks.
    
    Oh yeah, don't feel limited by the word vinyl.  There are still
    those who search for and collect 78s which were made of different
    material and were/are very fragile.
    
    The intent here is to discuss and review records.  As an amateur
    record collector, I have about 2500 disc's, I'm always looking
    for records to add to my collection.  
    
    Feel free to discuss and review any of the following:
    
    	1.  New records (jazz, classical, R/R, R/B, comedy, soundtrack, etc.)
    	2.  Old records (rare/hard to find, classic recordings).
    	3.  Sonic quality.
    	4.  Availability.
    	5.  Cost, worth, value, and other synonyms.
    	6.  Specific discographies for an artist.
    	7.  Anything else that has to do with records, LPs, albums.
    
    Please try to keep specific discussions of music to the Music File,
    and CDs to the CD file.

    As always, please follow the appropriate rules of etiquette.
    
    	moderator -- ken stewart
    	co-moderator -- stew levett
    

    As always, press SELECT or keypad 7 to add this conference to your
    notebook. 
    
               <<< DSSDEV::PUBLIC$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]VIDEO.NOTE;2 >>>
                                Videophile Forum 
Created:  4-FEB-1986 11:47         1756 topics        Updated:  5-OCT-1988 16:17
                   -< FOR SALE items in note 1479, please! >-

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Note 1.0                          Introduction                        18 replies
SMILEY::MARSHALL                                      9 lines  12-APR-1983 20:32
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This NOTES file is for the recording & exchange of information concerning video
recording, playback, and associated equipment of all types. 

If you have some information that might be of interest to all, generate a note.

If you have a question, generate a note.  However, with questions, it might be
more expeditious to also capture VCR.DIS and making the appropriate
modifications according to instructions therein, send the question or a pointer
to the new note to everyone on the current listing.

    (Reposted - sorry for errors in first posting.) 

    Another source of information not yet mentioned is the USENET. This is
    a non-DEC network which is accessible by users from many different
    subnetworks (Arpanet, etc) and supports a wide variety of notes-like
    "newsgroups".  One newsgroup that may be of particular interest to this
    conference is NET.MUSIC.SYNTH, which is similar in scope to this
    conference. 

    Postings to/from the USENET are handled via the DECWRL:: router;
    extracts arrive via VAXmail. 

    To retrieve a list of available newsgroups, send mail as follows. The
    $USELIST line should be the sole text line of your mail message: 

	To:	ROLL::USENET
	Subj:	SUBSCRIPTION

	$USELIST LIST

    To add yourself to the membership list, send mail as follows: 

	To:	ROLL::USENET
	Subj:	SUBSCRIPTION

	$USELIST ADD yournode::your_username newsgroup_name	or for example,
	$USELIST ADD DYO780::SCHAFER         REC.MUSIC.SYNTH

    If you have any further questions, direct them to: 

	{ROLL,ASHBY}::USENET_DISTRIBUTOR

    As always, press keypad 7 (SELECT) to add this conference to your
    notebook.

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Note 1.0                             WELCOME                          27 replies
SPHINX::SWEATT                                       14 lines  22-APR-1986 08:54
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    I would like to thank you for being so patient in waiting for the
    conversion to VAXNOTES. 
    	Again the use of the notes file is to converse about any of
    Commodore's computers. I am also interested in knowing how many
    people would be interested in havin the AMIGA notes file seperate
    from this one. Please reply to this note with your comments.
    
    
    						Thanks
    						Jim Sweatt
    						SPHINX::SWEATT
    						DTN 226-2611

    Hi. 
    3d::media-lab, about the MIT media lab, note 2.1 is a report
    about their activities, including some advanced music work by the
    well-known marvin minsky and barry vercoe (with whose wife I once
    corresponded about their new synthesis system in 1975).  (the media
    lab is 5 years old.)
    Tom

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Note 2049.0*                      * ANNOUNCE *                        No replies
CESARE::PIOVANO                                      56 lines  18-JUL-1989 07:05
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    For english reader please skip to next page..
    
               
    
                 * * *    A N N U N C I O    * * *
    
    
    
    E' stata aperta una nuova conference per gli amanti della musica.
    
    Scopo di detta conference non e' quello di sostituirsi a COMMUSIC,
    ma di consentire ai musicofili Italiani (e non naturalmente) 
    di avere un'area di scambio di vedute e informazioni, anche relative
    ad articoli su COMMUSIC, senza lo stress della lingua (se possibile...)
    e con argomenti di interesse generale piu' vicini alla realta'
    italiana,che presenta sicuramente aspetti diversi (per cultura e
    tradizione ecc..) da quella americana o inglese. Suggerimenti e
    idee saranno bene accetti, come speriamo sia bene accetta questa
    iniziativa. Ripetiamo che TUTTI possono partecipare, preferibilmente
    in italiano e inglese.
    
    Eventuali suggerimenti possono essere mandati ai moderatori.
    
    		Entry =  CESARE::ITALIA_MUSICA
    
    Ciao , Gian e Flavio
    
    Gianmario PIOVANO		CESARE::PIOVANO		@TNO
    Flavio    CORTESE		CESARE::CORTESE		@TNO
    
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    
    
     		*  *  *   A N N O U N C E  *  *  *
    
    
    	We have just opened a new conference on music. This new conference
    do not want to be a substitute of COMMUSIC. It want to be a conference
    near the Italian music reality, and to promove the exchange of
    information (for example about interesting Notes on COMMUSIC ) ecc...
    This conference is naturally open to all person would be partecipate.
    Suggestion made be send via mail to the moderators.
    
    
    			Entry = CESARE::ITALIA_MUSICA
    
    
    Bye
    Gian
    
    Gianmario PIOVANO		CESARE::PIOVANO		@TNO
    Flavio    CORTESE		CESARE::CORTESE		@TNO
    
    
    
    

The previous posting about USENET access is dead.  
It should be deleted (Brad...)

The current USENET newsgroup for Computer Music is rec.music.synth.
There are other rec.music.*

The group for Atari ST is comp.sys.atari.st (also .sources, .binaries)
There are also other comp.sys.* (like mac, ibm pc, etc -- i am not sure
of the exact names.)

Previously, within DEC (easynet) we didn't have our own news access but rather
relied on mailings from a central system that did have access.  This past
Spring that system died due to lack of resources.  A new system has since
been developed that gives us on the Easynet real honest to goodness news
access.

To find out more about it look in the following conferences:
(I haven't been in these for a month or so so if they've changed do not
come to me)


UPSAR::NEWS-BACKBONE  for general info and CCT interface into news.

UFP::XRN  for access to a Xwindows news reader.

Look in the News-backbone conference first.
Questions can be asked in the above conferences.

Chad

    In the current Issue of Music Technology (Joe Sample) there are
    references to two external (non-VAXnotes) conferences that I have not
    heard of before. Is there anyone out there with experience in either
    one?
    
    The first is PAN mentioned in the editorial. The letters stand for 
    Performing ARtists Network and apparently there is a lively discussion
    going on re the future of MIDI - some suggest that a new version MIDI
    2.0 replace the current standard. - There is no info on how to get into
    this conference.
    
    The second is "Worldmusic USA" - there is a full page ad on this. This]
    apparently is part of GEenie (GE time sharing servies). There is a 
    moderate reg fee $30.  non-Prime rates are $5/hr for 300/1200 baud.
    It can be accessed  via 1-800-638-8369
    Then you enter HHH
    at the U#= prompt type XJM11820,GENIE <ret>
    (then some dialog to join)
    then type MIDI at any prompt.
    
    NOTE: I have not tried this myself
    
    From the description of the service it sounds very much like COMPUSERVE
    which I have used for a number of years and have just recently joined
    their MIDI forum. If anyone is interested on COMPUSERVE I'll write a
    Separate note.
    
    Along the same lines is BIX, the forum supported by BYTE magazine. I 
    haven't tried this one either.
    
    What's the verdict? are these waste's of time/money? Is there really
    much usefull music/programs/info etc.?
    
    regards,
    
    Neil
     
    

    Neil,
    
    Could you post the Compuserver info? I may be interested. Thanks!
    
    Bill

    COMPUSERVE has been around for some time. I've been a member for about
    10 years. It has everything that PRODIGY promises, but from my
    perspective is more responsive and certainly more mature. It is clearly
    less "Glitzy" - ie doesn't use VTX type screens. I bought PRODIGY too
    but don't like it because I think the glitz gets in the way.
    
    Anyway back to COMPUSERVE. You can join by going to RADIO SHACK or many
    dealers of software and get a starter kit. These run for about $40, If
    you want I can get forms in about 10 days and interoffice them to you.
    
    They have all the stuff you'd expect, shopping, weather reports, API
    news, stock reports (S&P, Valueline, etc.) encyclopedias, airline
    schedules etc. I haven't checked lately but I think there are some
    mail order (E-mail order in this case) music stores.
    
    They also have a number of confernences something like our notes files
    but not organized quite as well. For years, I followed the PDP-11
    conference when I was a product manager for those products. I just 
    recently discovered their MIDI conference. Don't have enough experience
    to say how worthwhile it is and whether it is worth the connect charges
    (around $5 an hour or so charged to my credit card). I did however
    downline load a program called musicbox, now freeware, which is pretty
    nifty and I will probably write a note about it in the
    arranging/composing note.
    
    For more info on joining you can also call 1-800-848-8199. Note they
    are also good DEC customers and use a ton of our hardware. You can
    phone in from a local number (usually telenet or some such) from just
    about anywhere in the world.
    
    Feel free to use my name and ID (Neil RICH, 70415,1000) if they ask for
    a reference- there is some kind of contest to get new members going on.
    
    regards,
    
    Neil
    

I think this conference might be of great interest to some members
of this conference.  Computer music issues are a subset of the
multimedia issues discussed there.

     <<< TURRIS::TURRIS$DUA18:[NOTES$LIBRARY]EASYNET_CONFERENCES.NOTE;4 >>>
                       -< EasyNet Conference Directory >-
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Note 3013.0                   Mutli-Media Notesfile                   No replies
CINDYP::PICCICUTO                                     9 lines   5-NOV-1990 13:51
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A new conference has been established for Multi-Media topics.

Membership is restricted. For access contact either Cindy Piccicuto
(WRKSYS::PICCICUTO) or Tom Fitzpatrick (WRKSYS::FITZPATRICK).
We work in the Multi-Media Program Office and Multi-Media Engineering.

Announcing the Home Recording Studio conference ... CAFEIN::HOME_STUDIO


           <<< CAFEIN::USER$DISK:[NOTES$LIBRARY]HOME_STUDIO.NOTE;1 >>>
                          -< Home Recording Studios >-
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Note 1.0                             Welcome                          No replies
CAFEIN::SYSTEM                                        7 lines  14-JAN-1992 13:17
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Welcome to the Home Recording Studio conference.  Topics for discussion
may include anything dealing with setting up or running a personal
recording studio in your home, for example, multi-track recorder reviews,
what kind of tape to use, how to improve accoustics, effects, etc.

tom_p

    <<< CAFEIN::USER$DISK:[NOTES$LIBRARY]HOME_STUDIO.NOTE;1 >>>
    
    A pale imitation of the REAL THING.. as far as I'm concerned COMMUSIC
    *IS* the home studio conference.
    
    karl

    I confess that I have the same reaction.
    
    I've always regarded this as "HOME_STUDIO".  We talk about a lot
    more than MIDI here.

Frankly, most of my stuff is guitar based (although I do use a drum
machine).  I'd kind of like a conference concentrating on recording.
Especially when it comes time to look through old notes for info (especially
from out in the boonies where network response isn't so great).  I'd 
still read COMMUSIC, though.

-Hal

Let's keep this clean and simply vote with your use
and writing into it.  If you like it, use it and
write into it, if you don't don't.  If noone or few use
it it will die off, otherwise it will seem as if it
was needed...

Chad

    On defense of this 'upstart'...
    
    COMMUSIC seems more geared toward computerized music generating
    equipment such as MIDI.  Although some talk of recording goes on here,
    it's not the mainstream.
    
    HOME_STUDIO is intended to cover the recording side, such as setting up
    and running a studio.  This applies to other areas besides computer
    generated music.
    
    Hopefully, it will pull information together that currently collects in
    various different conferences (COMMUSIC, GUITAR, MUSIC, etc.) making it
    easier to find and available to more people.  Please give it a try.
    
    tom_p

Yo Tom-

I'm sure the "upstart" moniker was used with tongue firmly in cheek, fer
starters. Also, I find that COMMUSIC offers "one stop shopping" for noters
who are "into" any aspect of music and electronics- as you mentioned, guitar,
MIDI, recording, amps, computer-generated music,... My own guess at the "core"
interests of noters would put MIDI and synthesis at the top, with recording
close behind, then signal processing (as in effects), and signal amplification
last. For me the issue is one larger conference, where stuff is admittedly
more "spread out," or several conferences, which are more of a pain for me to
track and integrate.

A side aspect of the diversity of topics covered here is there's no need to
cross-post some neat discussions which "cross the boundaries," so to speak.
If you attract enough noters to keep the new conference going, I'd guess they'd
be folks who *do* want to record, but *don't* have any interest in MIDI- after
all, the other topics covered here all pertain to home studios too, don't they?

Good luck on the venture. Just wanted to explain a bit why this particular
electronic entity doesn't care to add to my list of notes hangouts...

Bob

RE: 4.35

>I'm sure the "upstart" moniker was used with tongue firmly in cheek ...

Hmmm, that wasn't the impression *I* got.  In fact, I was a little 
disturbed to see a couple of noters that I considered pretty reasonable
and level-headed jumping up and bashing the new conference before it
even became clear just what sort of a beast if would actually become.

> Also, I find that COMMUSIC offers "one stop shopping" for noters
>who are "into" any aspect of music and electronics- as you mentioned, guitar,
>MIDI, recording, amps, computer-generated music,... 
>		.
>		.
>		.
>For me the issue is one larger conference, where stuff is admittedly
>more "spread out," or several conferences, which are more of a pain for me to
>track and integrate.

Well, the "one stop shopping" is a two-edged sword.  Admittedly, having
more conferences to follow is a pain, but on the other hand when one needs
to look for a particular piece of information it's a lot harder when you
have to wade through a more generalized (and usually much larger) 
conference.

-Hal

	Announcing VORTEX::BASLIN::MUSIC_MAKING (press KP7 to add
	to your notebook).

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BASLIN::RYAN "Think spring!"                          3 lines  17-JAN-1992 18:32
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	Welcome to the MUSIC_MAKING notes conference! To get
	the most out of your stay here, please browse through
	these first few notes.
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BASLIN::RYAN "Think spring!"                         22 lines  17-JAN-1992 18:35
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	The purpose of this conference is discussion of aspects
	of music creation which are covered (if at all) haphazardly
	in other conferences, particularly writing, arranging, and
	music theory. It is expressly *not* for the discussion
	of musical instruments and other music-related equipment 
	(such as sequencers, amps, PA systems, recorders, etc.) 
	except in terms of how you use them as tools to write or 
	arrange music. Possible areas of discussion:

	o Composition and songwriting (here's how I go about writing
	a song, this is how Paul Simon writes, analysis of well-known
	songwriters, how to write for video?...)

	o Arranging (how to arrange for horn or string sections?)

	o Music theory (what's the name of this chord? What are
	the modes?)

	o Legal issues (such as copyrights)

	Equipment ads are not allowed and will be deleted and returned
	to the author.

    Announcing DREGS::E_FLAT (press KP7 to add to your notebook.
    
    This conference is intended to discuss the distinct problems,
    advantages, methods and technques of playing in the key of E-flat
    or application of the specific note itself.
    
    For the present we are willing to discuss both Eb major and Eb minor,
    but if there seems, need we're willing to separate them into separate
    conferences.
    
    Welcome to Eb!
    
    	Dave Blickstein
    	E_FLAT moderator

    
    
    Can't you C?  He's just trying to B# and maybe (depending on the tone
    you want to project into his message) sarcastic/satiric, about the
    proliferation of recreational conferences that overlap existing
    conferences.
    

    Love it!
    
    I'll fess up (since I'm not a fascist elitist...)
    
    I pressed KP7!!!!!
    
    Thanks, Foghorn,
    
    
    Steve

All I see is that some people in this conference are upset
that these new conferences are "infringing"  on territory
that was once the sole domain of COMMUSIC. 

The basic fact (and those who are frequenting the
new conferences I think will agree) is that COMMUSIC
is too broad to serve the interests of Songwriters and
Home recording enthusiasts. There is simply too much
material here to be able to find anything easily. 

I've found COMMUSIC useful, but I'm also finding
the new conferences useful as well. 

    > All I see is that some people in this conference are upset
    > that these new conferences are "infringing"  on territory
    > that was once the sole domain of COMMUSIC.
    
    That's basically it.
    
    Perhaps the basis of our objection is best stated by an old proverb:
    
    	"The sum of the parts is rarely equal to the whole"

    My 2 shekels...
    
    The two more recent conference additions (Home Recording and Music
    Making) should be welcome additions!  How does "I write songs this
    way.." relate to "Roland is Brain-dead", "SYSEX", and "That's one
    mother of a shakuhachi"?
    
    What was funny about the E-FLAT conference was the notion that you
    could (I suppose) get to the point where there's a conference for each
    of the myriads of individual components that make up writing music (and the
    Foghorn Legghorn pointer was pretty clever ;-).
    
    The way I figgure it, it'll all balance out soon.  If folks feel
    that this conference is sufficient - great!  If the other conferences
    provide some additional insight (especially from non-MIDImasters), then
    that would be great too!
    
    I don't see any harm in having them.
    
    FWIW

    There are only two new music related conferences that I'm aware of,
    this doesn't seem like such an overwhelming number.

    While it's clear that the HOME_STUDIO conference has a lot of overlap
    with this conference, I don't see how anyone could say that the
    MUSIC_MAKING conference has any overlap, except possibly with a few
    topics in Guitar.  There's information in here about copyright
    information and getting a record company started, but those are very
    small facets of the songwriting process. There used to be some of that
    sort of discussion in MUSIC, but the last time I read it (a couple of
    months ago), it was totally listener oriented.  Judging from the fact
    that several of the people that have signed into the intro note there
    were not regular participants of any of either this file, Music, or
    Guitar I'd say that the new conference is filling a nitch that was
    previously empty (for the most part, some pieces were spattered all
    over the place).

    I don't see any competition there at all.

    As far as HOME_STUDIO goes, I don't see a problem letting it have it's
    own place.  Seems to me that if things segregate naturally, then that
    should decrease some of that sort of note from this file and give both
    conferences more of an organization and distinct purpose.  Sure, there
    may still be duplicated discussions, but I don't see that as a big
    problem.

    One stop shopping means having to walk past a lot of things you don't
    need to find what you do.  The more things there are in a store the
    more difficult it can be to find any individual one if you don't shop
    there often.  Just because you have big department stores like K-Mart
    which purport to give you everything you need doesn't mean that the
    speciality shop is obsoleted (and vice-versa).

    Greg

My $.02

I think that at this time, yet another music conference that overlaps the turf
of this and other music related notesfiles is a waste of system cycles, net
bandwidth and disk space. Employee interest notesfiles are at risk. Dan Infante, 
VP DIS, has instructed all of us in the DIS world to mark said notesfiles 
nobackup, (yes Virgina he retracted it, but he also resent it after the 
retraction). If the employee interest noting community doesn't recognize reality 
here and do some downsizing or at least some containment of the overall
situation I think we're going to lose it all. This is not an offical benefit, and
just because Infante can't get his peers to back him on doing away with these
notesfiles today doesn't mean that he won't be able to at a later date. All it
would take is a couple more quarters like Q2.

In this case we would be better served by expanding the horizons of the existing
files rather than opening a new one. I doubt that anyone here or in guitar 
would have a problem discussing these topics in those places.

dbii

Well, I'm already on record as preferring to do "one-stop shopping" in COMMUSIC,
as for *me* it's more efficient- I don't see a whole lot in this conference that
*doesn't* interest me!

On the other hand, I would not welcome the merging of this conference with
MUSIC, GUITAR, and other miscellaneous music- and audio-related conferences which
already exist. I guess the point is that "focus" is a matter of perspective.

I can see how other individuals could prefer to discuss *just* recording or
*just* songwriting, and I'd say they have the right to give it a go. If the
new notesfiles end up having info which is not replicated here and seems too
valuable to pass up, they will have, IMHO, completed their "rite of passage"
and earned a following. If not...well, you know.

Time will tell.

Bob

    Well, I kinda like the Eb conference it one of my favourite keys,
    however I won't particate unless they are willing to discuss how it 
    relates to D#.
    
    Errol (I just love a little fun, let's make waves) tee hee hee

	This Eb conference, don't you think that it's a bit Elitist?
	I, for one, find little music written specifically for it -
	Yeah, with a sequencer, you could transpose everything to it,
	but only if you have the expensive gear to do it. it excludes
	instruments such as the dulcimer which have no sharps or flats,
	as well as the wailing of Walruses (one of the most creative
	new styles of music to hit this decade) which are not tunable to
	any particular key.

							Enough Said

							     Jens

    Well, I happen to be writing a thing in Eb (sometimes it's Cminor),
    because it's got all the notes I need.  So I figure the Eb conference
    will be real useful for the same reason - it's got all the notes I
    need.
    
    len.
    

The MUSIC_MAKING conference made sense though I wish that
stuff was all in here.  I'd welcome a place to learn
about theory and composition stuff.

Chad

There is also a benefit to more smaller conferences!
It takes less time to do a complete sweep of them
and so you spend less time in notes if you are not
interested in the other topics that are discussed
in other conferences that otherwise would all be one.

I don't recall the exact conference, but I'm certain that there's a notesfile
on NOTES itself, which is where I think this discussion is actually headed.

Seems to me that one of two functionalities in notes (or both) would make this
a non-issue: either the ability to open and interact with an entire *group* of
conferences simulaneously (favoring the multiple, tightly-focused notesfile
model), or the ability to perform *all* operations (e.g., next unseen) with a
"current set" of keyword and/or other qualifiers (allowing greater efficiency
in a broad-focus conference).

These are really database issues, revolving around the way NOTES provides access
to the database which is a notesfile. I realize that speed of access (as it
relates to conference size) is still relevant; I have no idea what underlying
DB architecture is used by notes, but I'd guess is relatively primitive, with
no real attempt at optimization for large databases.

IMHO, of course, of course...

Bob

	Jeez. There are about 15 conferences for personal computing
	ranging from IBMPC to shareware to PATHworks (just how
	many PATHworks conferences are there anyway?). So what is the
	problem with having a couple of specialized conferences
	dealing with recording techniques and music theory, neither
	of which were (imo) really covered in the charters of
	existing conferences? We don't discuss mic techniques in
	COMMUSIC very often. We don't discuss music theory in
	COMMUSIC. If you're not interested in either of those
	topics, then just read COMMUSIC. Taking potshots at
	related conferences because they "overlap" doesn't seem
	to make the point of the pot-shotters any clearer to me.

	What *is* the problem, anyway???

	/pjh

    My dulcimer has plenty of sharps and flats.  Just not an equal
    proportion of all of them.  Like it only has one B-flat, but around
    three F-sharps.

    Dave B beat me to it... I was going to post a spurious note announcing
    the creation of THREE new conferences,
    
    KEYS::RECORDING_TAPE 
    KEYS::MIDI_CABLES
    KEYS::SMPTE_SYNCING
    
    but now I don't have to !  Thanx Dave!
    
    karl, one-stop shopper

The problem is I think just that employee interest noting is at risk of being
banned. There are highly placed managers working the issue as we speak. The
creation of more notesfiles that overlap the turf of existing ones, regardless
of what the subject is, is feeding fuel to the fire.

dbii

    Being one of the "most likely to trash" myself, I'm a bit hesitant to
    squash this rathole, but I have received mail from other readers...
    
    'nuff said?
    
    Edd

    Re: merging conferences
    
    Combining COMMUSIC with GUITAR would be great, but leave MUSIC for the
    bit bucket.
    
    Mike

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GIDDAY::KNIGHTP "do it in dubly"                     11 lines   5-FEB-1992 00:10
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    Hi 
    
    I am having trouble reaching the Guitar conference.  Is it still up?
    I know that it is now located on KDX200 but I can,t reach it.
    I have already got there before so I have set the correct node name up
    etc.  I even tried sending a mail message to Coop but to no avail.
    
    Can anyone help me ....I am going through withdrawl symptons.
    
    
    P.K. 8^( X 1,000,000 

    re: the GUITAR conference
    
    Since a lot of people are asking about it, I'll put a quick update in
    here.  
    
    The host system (KDX200) was damaged as a result of a power outage in
    CXO which also took out something like 30 other systems too.  Needless
    to say Field Service is swamped and has run out of spare parts for
    certain things, so progress is going slow.  
    
    Also, it will have to be restored from offsite backups, since both the
    disk it resides on and the staging disk for the backups were damaged,
    so we may lose a few days worth of notes.
    
    Greg (co-moderator GUITARnotes)