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Conference kaosws::canada

Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

658.0. "Nationalism ... Is it inherently racist and bigotted ?" by KAOT01::S_BROOK () Fri Feb 05 1993 17:00

    OK, I'll bite on this one ...
    
    Is Nationalism inherently racist ?  Does it have to be ?
    
    Are nationalists bigotted ?
    
    Do Quebec and its leaders fit these conceptions.
    
    
    No calling names ... no personal attacks ... Let's try this subject
    again, this time with some dignity and respect for others.
    
    Stuart
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658.1only in Quebec you say? KAOFS::D_STREETFri Feb 05 1993 18:015
    As practiced by the "Parti" it sure is. A true multicultural country
    can be proud of what it is without having to stoop to racisim.
    
    
    							Derek
658.2KAOT01::M_MORINLe diable est aux vaches!Fri Feb 05 1993 19:122
Derek started it.
658.3CSC32::S_BROOKFri Feb 05 1993 20:241
    You are right ... he did.
658.4Definition or pacticeTRCP39::millerBob Miller, DTN: 637-3461Fri Feb 05 1993 20:456
Nationalism is not inherently racist or bigotted.

In practice, and Quebec is only one example among many, many activities that
could be called racist/bigotted are practiced under the guise of Nationalism.
The sign/language law is one such activity.

658.5Nationalism's base: Culture/LanguageVAOU09::BOTMANPieter Botman - Western Canada DISMon Feb 08 1993 14:4515
    I tend to agree that nationalism is not synonymous with racism and
    bigotry, and that racists and bigots get pulled/pushed along in
    nationalist tides.
    
    No one would accuse a (generic) Canadian nationalist of a racist or a 
    bigot.
    
    On the other hand, some Quebec nationalists would point to Canadian
    nationalists and say "this is not real nationalism, the strength of
    your nationalism is weak, because you don't have enough of a common
    base for it - namely language and culture".
    
    
    Pieter
    
658.6no reason to hate...CSC32::D_ROYERChi beve birra campa cent'anni.Tue Mar 23 1993 18:2017
    A racist is made not born...   Bigotry is developed and it is a close
    kin to racism.  Nationalism can be good or be corrupted by either of
    the other two.
    
    So, can any of the three be put to good uses?  I think that Nationalism
    that is controlled is okay, the other two have no place in society.  I
    would look forward to the meeting of Extra Terrestrials if that ever
    happens, and I think we could learn a lot if we just learn to tolerate
    the differences in each other.  Just because we speak a different
    language, are we different?  Does the color of eyes, skin, hair or
    other parts make a difference?  I say no, I think we just need to learn
    to develope thicker skins, and appreciate each other dispite the
    differences.  
    
    Dave
    Terran by birth (accident)
    
658.7Cardassians rules! Romulans stink!TROOA::DZIALOWSKIWed Mar 24 1993 12:257
    re. "I would look forward to the meeting of Extra Terrestrials..."
    
    Next time you pass through Sarnia, why don't you stop by the office ?
    
    Commander Data 
    
    PS: do you know how to use klingon washroom ?
658.8Klingon-LOOsTROOA::SELMECZIWed Mar 24 1993 20:4910
    Klingon Washrooms:
    
    situated in a little dark room amongst poisonous rose bushes and deadly
    orchids, and instead of a seat you are to sit (?) on a giant sharpe
    toothed open jaw of which if you survive all the other deadly stuff and
    still could not complete your deed it'll bite ...
    
    the bide (to top it all up) first washes then grinds...
    
    Oh, yeah, and there are no books or newspapers in klingon LOOs.