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    If he resigns, I can't say I'll miss his presence. A new Angus-Reid
    poll showed the P.Q. getting 63% to 37% of the vote if he leads them
    into a referendum-election. However, I believe he realizes the struggle
    that awaits him after a win. Legitimacy and territorial disputes will
    most certainly be hot topics. The Feds are definitely going to be more
    agressive this time around and Quebec will be weakened significantly.
    Don't think he has the strenght like Parizeau to stick around once the
    mess is created. A mess that would take a decade or two to fix.
    
    
    So I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns, he has lost a lot, so have
    we all. He can stay in the States, write book, keep his strenght,
    appear on Larry King Live, charm the americans and resurect at some
    other convenient time after all the dirty work has been done for him.
    
    Cleaning up the P.Q. is too much of a dirty job and governing is 
    not for his style. He's too impatient a man, wants everything his
    way and likes to control. To quote a reporter in "La Presse" last
    weekend, "he has Mussolini tendancies", how comforting to us all.
    
    Guess the "Le Jesus du Quebec" is only human afterall.
    
                                                   Amen, J.P.
      

    Bouchard lost his leg to the so-called "flesh-eating" disease last
    winter.  He has 2 pre-school children by his 2nd marriage, and
    apparently promised his wife (Audrey Best, an American from California)
    that he would leave politics after the referendum.  He's obviously
    under enormous pressure to succeed Parizeau, and the job is probably
    his if he wants it;  but Parizeau has also mused in public that it
    might be time for a woman to take over the leadership, and in a cabinet
    shuffle has just made Pauline Marois Finance Minister...
    
    -Stephen

    FYI the "unspecified disease" was rampant Strepachocus A, you know, the
    flesh eating disease. Strictly speaking it was not, as many say,
    necrotizing faciatis which attacks the layers of flesh just beneath the
    skin but necrotizing <something else> which attacks the muscle tissue. 
    
    Bouchard has a couple of problems that may lead him to take a more back
    room role, one of these is that his politics don't line up too well
    with those of the PQ, he's a right leaning sovereigntist and the PQ is
    dominated by left leaning separatists. Secondly is his family, his wife
    is not a Quebecios so she may lack the necessary idealistic viewpoint
    to see the sacrifices as worthwhile.

You mean to tell me that Quebec may be saved by an American?

I would have never thought...

    
    
    I thought he lost his leg to a beaver?

    
    
    Rumor has it, Bouchard leaving politics to become president of
    Domtar Quebec. This was on CBO radio this am.
     
    
    

    another brick in the wall.

    
    
    Rumor has it, Marcel Masse will run for the P.Q. Leadership.

    First, Kim Mitchell and now Pink Floyd...Glenn, your tastes are quite
    catholic.

    
    Glenn *is* a wild party.
    

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        Lucien just announced his candidacy for the PQ leadership.
        I listened to his speech , and he emphatically states that there
        will be a next referendum in the year 1997.
    
        This being because of two reasons:
    
        Wants to give Canada an opportunity to make one last offer, but he
         cannot foresee any offers which haven't been made already,
        and in his words, he wants English-Canada to prepare for the
        inevitable " separation". According to him, this will happen, as
        Quebec has never been as close as it has recently in public
        support for Separation.
    
        Secondly, he wants to place Quebec's financial house in order.
        He realizes the need for cutbacks , and not tax increases,
    while still maintaining a social safety net which is better than
        other jurisdictions.
    
        He spoke with conviction and authority, and appeared to almost
        concede the fact that he will be premier, and his timetable to
        separation is drawn.
           separation is drawn.
        The next year, he states, will give Quebeckers and English-Canada
        some breathing room , and an opportunity to begin dealing with
        Quebec as an equal. I think we can safely quash the "distinct
    society"
        label, it doesn't even come close to what this man wants.
    
         I was surprised to hear his wife, amusingly introduced as
        " Mrs. Best-Bouchard". spoke French with fluency......
    
    
        I guess we're in for another year of offers and counter-offers,
        and then another referendum, finally Quebec separation....
    
        Sort of anti-climactic..........
    
    
    
        
        All for now,
        Norman
    

Question now is does Lucien have the will to negociate with any offers that
come from the Fed's and/or the ROC?

And I remember about 7 years ago when Ken Copeland. when asked about
separatists and CTH being built in Hull, answered:  The separatist issue is as
dead as a dodo bird.  It was then.

/Mario (close to now considering selling my house and getting out...)

    
     
    > /Mario (close to now considering selling my house and getting out...)
    
    Eh Mario, move to Aylmer, it's part of the Pontiac, the most
    federalist area in Quebec. "We'd rather fight than switch."
    We're having a referendum of our own within a year from now
    and there's a lot of movement within federal and municipal ranks
    to set up a National Capital District. Let the 22% of Outaouais
    seperatists sell their homes and move out. I'm not leaving.
    
    I believe the entire Outaouais will eventually follow suit.
    I don't believe the people in this area are into committing
    financial suicide.
    
    The Aylmer area has a good make up of English/French culture.
    There's a nice marina, lots of green space and very affordable
    housing. The average 105k home in Aylmer is equivalent to the
    225k home in Ottawa. The prices will surely go up if Aylmer
    and the Pontiac decide to stay a part of Canada. Outaouais
    residents have everything to gain from seperating from Quebec.
    
    Vive L'Outaouais Libre...
                                                   Salut J.P.

    KAOT01::M_MORIN
    
    >Question now is does Lucien have the will to negociate with any offers that
    >come from the Fed's and/or the ROC?
    
    
     The answer, already given by your provincal premier is NO. Now what do
    you do, eh?
    
    Back when the PQ were elected you tried to say that it was not a vote for
    seperation, but for good government. Looks VERY much to me like you will
    get the one you did not want, and not get the one you did want.
    
    I now believe the seperation of part of Quebec is unavoidable. Why do I
    think that you ask ? Because even the federalists are demanding special
    status beyond distinct society. I agree with PET, at some point the damage
    to keep them will be greater than the damage if they leave. I draw the
    line at the veto. Canada is a great country to live in, as an American
    would say, "Love it or leave it". 
    
     It is now up to Canada to ensure the new lines on the map do not
    include people who do not wish to take part in Lucy's appointment with
    destiny.
    
    							Derek.

>you tried to say it was a vote for change...

I don't remember what I said personally in this notes conference but looking
back at it, it seems as though all the media was in agreement with this.  We
all knew a referendum was coming but never realized the impact that Lucien
was to have on it's outcome.

I think that Lucien is being irresponsible stating that he will never
accept/sign anything coming from Canada/ROC.  If the Yes would have won they
would have used it as a win and would have immediately started cessasion.  Now
that that No has won they are still not willing to accept and go with the
majority of Quebeckers.  I think that Chretien will try *something* within 1-2
years to prevent Lucien from setting the agenda.

I find it odd though that Lucien has stated that he will give Canada/ROC a
chance at the 1997 constitution review.

What for?  He's not going to sign it anyways.

/Mario