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Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

900.0. "1996 Fed Budget scenario" by TROOA::BROOKS () Thu Feb 23 1995 15:43

    Dem Budget blues...
    
    Alright you know-it-alls (or wanna be's), it's simulation time (no not
    stimulation ...) You are the Minister of Finance about to bring down
    the latest example of government benevolence.  Taxpayers are squawking
    about tax increases, financial markets are concerned about the deficit,
    unemployment is still at or near double-digits, the recession has
    become an ongoing phenomenon, and an election is never too far away.
    
    What do you do?
    
    Let's hear it...
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900.1POLAR::RICHARDSONOoo Ah silly meThu Feb 23 1995 15:579
    Leave the middle class alone.
    
    Eliminate some loop holes.
    
    A few new consumer taxes.
    
    Eliminte/scale down some services.
    
    Hope for a better year.
900.2Time to get tough!KAOFS::LOCKYERThu Feb 23 1995 17:0429
    Start with an across the board 15% budget reduction in every department
    - don't care how the budget in each department is reduced, just say do
    it and hold the minister accountable.
    
    More heavvily reduce the military and Ottawa staff.
    
    No personal income tax increases- remove all or part of surtaxes if
    possible.
    
    Tax the hell out of alcohol and tabacco - tabacco to the point that the
    industry packs up and leaves Canada.
    
    Totally ignore special interest groups.
    
    Quite buying Quebec loyalty by awarding Quebec contracts that other
    regins would have got otherwise.
    
    Take a 10% pay/perks cut.
    
    Eliminate peace keeping missions.
    
    Implement minimum tax on everyone - individuals and corporations
    (remembering that in the end, individuals eventually pay ALL taxes!).
    
    Pass a constitutional amendment forbidding the proposal  of a deficit
    budget and requiring a government to resign if a budget deficit more
    than 5% occurs.
    
    That'll do for the first day!
900.3POLAR::RICHARDSONOoo Ah silly meThu Feb 23 1995 20:301
    <---- political suicide. The opposition parties would be very happy.
900.4I know I'm being somewhat idealistic, but it's a start!KAOFS::LOCKYERThu Feb 23 1995 23:199
    Don't care about opposition parties or getting re-elected!  If any
    party even came close to taking serious deficit cutting measures
    without raising individual taxes, the population would re-elect them
    "no questions asked" at the end of five years.
    
    I'm no great fan of Ralph Klein and am not convinced his way is the one
    and only, but he (and what's going on in Alberta) is a real good
    example of how the population will react when politicians make
    difficult decisions.
900.5How will the population react ??CGOOA::BCLARKEFri Feb 24 1995 13:0812
    Re: -1
    
    I am not quite sure what you mean by "How the people will react." As an
    Albertan, I am quite pleased at what Klein has done. As far as I am
    concerned .... "KLEIN FOR PRIME MINISTER !!"
    
    Making spending cuts and other hikes in social benefits (Health Care),
    is never going to make you any friends ... but he gets the job done.
    
    My 2 cents
    Brian
    
900.6Use SOME of his ideas, forget the man!KAOFS::LOCKYERFri Feb 24 1995 13:159
    Yes, Bernie, I'm using Klein as a positive example - so far, the vast
    majority of Albertans are supportive of his measures.
    
    On the other hand, having lived in Calgary when Ralph got started in
    politics and was the mayor, I wouldn't want to see him as PM,
    particularly if he's with the Conservative Party.  While he now wears
    suits and appears to be able to tie a tie (not that these are the sum
    requirements for PM...), I can't see him moving to the
    national/international stage.
900.7POLAR::RICHARDSONOoo Ah silly meFri Feb 24 1995 13:527
    Try doing what Klein did in a have not province like Nova Scotia or
    Newfoundland or, as it would seem nowadays, Ontario.

    If it wasn't for Alberta's energy dollars things would be very
    different.

    Glenn
900.8KAOFS::B_VANVALKENBFri Feb 24 1995 17:2717
    
    flat tax on all income
    leave current rebate systems in place to compensate those with low
    	income
    flat tax on business
    cut all funding for CBC,arts,multiculturalism
    greatly reduce foriegn aide and defense spending
    ----reduction in defense spending would pretty much mandate us pulling
        out of nato
    make all infrastructure work a provincial responsibility
    
    
    
    Its a start....this country needs to bleed (alot)
    
    Brian V
    
900.9Pass the tea, Charles!POLAR::STOODLEYMon Feb 27 1995 19:097
        Create a national lottery in which all the profits go
    directly to reducing the national debt.  
    
        Also, quit sending 100 million bucks to the Queen every year.
    I'm sure she can do without the truffles at tea break.
    
        Blair.
900.10KAOFS::B_VANVALKENBTue Feb 28 1995 15:2913
    So the deal is done.
    
    Not that I'm complaining but how do the liberals justify cutting
    45,000 civil servants when the ran on a jobs-jobs-jobs campain.
    
    IMO the budget was pretty good but didn't go far enough to cut the
    debt. This is similar to cutting headcount in a business to return to
    profitability without changing processes or the management team.
    
    
    
    Brian V
    
900.11FSCORE::HOGANTue Feb 28 1995 15:4717
re -1

>didn't go far enough to cut the debt.

I think you mean deficit...(we don't want to confuse anybody, do we?)


>similar to cutting headcount ...without changing processes ....

I think there's more changes occuring in the PSC than they tend 
to advertise.  Dept's and programs are continually changing (ie, getting
more efficient), but the gov't has been relunctant to fire the "surplus"
employees (mainly because of a job security clause among the PSAC members.)


Mike.