Conference kaosws::canada

        Estelle,

All immigration procedures are handled by your local Canadian Embassy.  Because
neither of you is Canadian, you will have to apply under the "Points" scheme,
where your education, job, job demand and so on are considered.  The only
thing that really would help this process would be an actual job offer from
a Canadian employer ... and for that, a visit would probably be needed.

To discuss employment opportunities, you could try contacting the Agent
General for Quebec at your nearest Quebec trade mission.  I believe there is
one in Paris.

Perhaps other noters would have some ideas for organizations to contact for
job opportunities.

Stuart

	Stuart,

Thanks for you help.
We have already filled up the Canadian Embassy form for immigration. 
(job,education,...).
We have bought "la presse" (Quebec news) in a Paris press shop for the 
employment.
We have a meeting in February with the association France-Quebec.

Thanks for any others ideas.

Estelle. 

>Perhaps other noters would have some ideas for organizations to contact for
>job opportunities.

	My brother and his wife wanted to emigrate to Canada.

	She contacted her professional body in the UK (she is a chiropodist) and
	asked about possibilities in Canada, they put her in touch with the 
	right people in Toronto, had an interview on the phone, did the 
	paperwork, and they are now both in Canada with landed imigrant status.

	If one of a couple get this, the other does automatically, so you don't
	both need to get jobs before you arrive.

	Heather

>        If one of a couple get this, the other does automatically, so you don't
>        both need to get jobs before you arrive.

For a married couple / family, to immigrate to Canada, at least one of the
couple should have either an actual job offer or good prospects of obtaining
a job (as a programmer you would fit that category).  The spouse and children
if any *can* then be admitted under family class which is far less strict in its
requirements, if they would have problems being admitted under the points
system.

But to be admitted under family class, the primary wage earner usually must 
precede the rest of the family to Canada and establish him/herself here.  This 
rule can be waived by a sympathetic immigration officer but it is often 
enforced.  This is because the primary wage earner sponsors the rest of the
family into Canada, and technically, the request for sponsorship must be
made from within Canada.

Canada's immigration rules are very straightforward.  You rarely need an
immigration lawyer like you need when immigrating to the USA.  Immigration
officers do have a little leeway in enforcing some of the minor rules like
the accompaniment rules, but the major rules are quite clear.

Good luck!

Stuart

>But to be admitted under family class, the primary wage earner usually must 
>precede the rest of the family to Canada and establish him/herself here.  This 
>rule can be waived by a sympathetic immigration officer but it is often 
>enforced.  This is because the primary wage earner sponsors the rest of the
>family into Canada, and technically, the request for sponsorship must be
>made from within Canada.

	We must be talking about different things, my sister-in-law got
	landed immigrant status arranged by her new employer before she went 
	to Canada, and was told this automatically covered her husband (so 
	they got married, because Canada doesn't recognise any type of 
	"common law" relationship - they had been together for 7 years).

	So they both flew out together (with the cat)

	Heather

Re: Canada not recognizing this type of "common law" relationship.

Funny, that doesn't stop the government from taxing common law couples under
the same rules as if they were married.

/Mario

>        We must be talking about different things, my sister-in-law got
>        landed immigrant status arranged by her new employer before she went 
>        to Canada, and was told this automatically covered her husband (so 
>        they got married, because Canada doesn't recognise any type of 
>        "common law" relationship - they had been together for 7 years).
>
>        So they both flew out together (with the cat)


Wierd ...

Application for landed immigrant status must be done by the individual in the
country they are coming from.  It cannot be "arranged" by a new employer.
What the employer can do is show that they are providing a committment of
support (i.e. the job offer contains some kind of guarantee of support for
some period of time) and this "improves" the case.

I think we are talking the same thing really ...  The husband would be covered
virtually automatically under family class ... your s-i-l would be considered
your brother's sponsor.  It really depends on the immigration officer whether
they will allow the two to come together and such things as employer support
really do help such discretionary calls.

Common law relationships are recognized for certain purposes only in Canada.
The fact that they had to get married to go through immigration, shows that
your brother did come over under family class, rather than under the points
system on his own merit.  Family class applications are nearly automatic,
but they have been known to fail.


Stuart

In an earlier note, the author said something like the carreer
of programmer would automatically qualify as a job in demand.

Even with the recession is this still the case

Rgds, Curious

Andy

    
    Last time I looked at the weekend edition of the Montreal Gazette, a
    few weeks ago, it looked as though THERE IS a shortage of
    programming/DP skills.
    
    /Mario

	Not immigration, but working..........

	A 21 year old friend wants to go to Canada next summer for 5ish months,
	and do casual work to help pay for his stay.

	He phoned the embassy, and they said he had to get a job first, and get
	and employer and sponsor before he could do this.

	Did they misunderstand him, or is this really the case for a working 
	vaccation?

	Any help appreciated.

	Heather

>
>        He phoned the embassy, and they said he had to get a job first, and get
>        and employer and sponsor before he could do this.
>
>        Did they misunderstand him, or is this really the case for a working 
>        vaccation?
>
	I don't think they misunderstood .. to get a work visa, you must have
a job and an employer ... and moreover, if the job is lost then your work visa
is lost with it becasue the visa is tied to the employer.  In this instance,
because the person indicated that they would need to work to pay for the
vacation, a sponsor is also required ... I believe that if you prove that
you have sufficient funds to maintain yourself this may be waived.

Whether he can get a temporary work visa in Canada, I don't know, but I have
my doubts.

I am not condoning this, but I have heard of people coming to Canada on a
vacation and taking casual (cash) employment.

In any case, you must also have proof that you will be leaving Canada, in
the form of a ticket, or sufficient funds to purchase a ticket.

Tough isn't it ?

Stuart

	He has enough money for a ticket there and back, and for about
	3 weeks of holiday - he just want's to pick up casual work in
	the summer, so he can stay longer.

	This is quite a comon and legal thing for people to do around Europe 
	and Australia, he was hoping he could do this in Canada.

	Looks like he can't.

	Heather

    
    I have heard that if you are caught doing something like this in
    Australia, you will declared persona non grata and you can forget
    about visiting there again. Not sure if Canada is that severe.
    
    FWIW
    Pat

>    I have heard that if you are caught doing something like this in
>    Australia, you will declared persona non grata and you can forget
>    about visiting there again. Not sure if Canada is that severe.
 
	You can apply for a work visa for a year for Australia if you are 
	under 26, no need to have a job first, no need to have a sponsor
	in Australia, just a return ticket and a few weeks money.

	I know many people who have done this - quite legally - for a
	"working vaccation".

	That's the type of thing my fried asked about, to see if it was the 
	same for Canada, but it's not.

	Heather