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Conference kaosws::canada

Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

535.0. "The Belated Introductory Note" by KAOFS::S_BROOK () Tue Dec 24 1991 14:54

    This conference is for the discussion of Canada, things Canadian,
    things remotely Canadian and things even more remotely Canadian.
    All are invited to participate ....
    
    
    
        The ground-rules for this conference come in three varieties,
        each posted in a separate note under this topic. First of all,
        there are the absolute rules of the conference. These spell out
        the limits of what you may do this conference. Each is dictated
        by the realities of the laws and policies affecting DEC and DEC
        employees. 
        
        Second there are the guidelines. Unfortunately, each of the
        rules is somewhat vague and it requires a judgment call to
        determine precisely what actions they require or forbid. The
        guidelines are intended to help define and illustrate these
        boundaries. Please remember that notes is a very new phenomenon
        and we are all learning how it can and can not be used. 
        
        Finally there are the procedures. These are the mechanics
        of how we want to see the conference work. They outline the
        formal and informal channels we have established for the
        running of this conference.
        
        The rules are stored in note .1, the guidelines in note .2,
        and the procedures in .3.
    
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535.1The RulesKAOFS::S_BROOKTue Dec 24 1991 14:5671
	There are 6 major rules for this conference:

		1.  Do not speak badly of anyone.
		2.  Do not discuss the specifics of crimes.
		3.  Do not talk about pending or potential legal actions.
		4.  Do not interfere with DEC's business.
		5.  Do not use obscene language or fighting words.
		6.  Do not talk about sex in detail.
		7.  Do not harass other users.


    1.  Do not speak badly of anyone.

	Anyone includes both identifiable individuals and groups. It
	includes not only DEC employees and those who have dealings with
	DEC, but all individuals. Specific people are not valid subject
	matter for this conference.  "People problems" within conferences 
    	are fine, but please don't name names.


    2.  Do not discuss the specifics of crimes.

	By this we mean that you should not admit to, encourage, or
	attribute to others criminal behavior. Admitting to crimes is
	clearly unwise. Encouraging them in a forum sponsored by DEC
	puts the company at risk. Accusing others of crimes subjects
	both you and DEC to potential legal actions. 

    3.  Do not talk about pending or potential legal action.

	It is never wise to speak in an open forum about a pending legal
	action, be it criminal or civil in nature. Do not use a DEC-
	sponsored forum to write about the merits or validity of any
	legal action. Asserting that there are grounds for legal
	action, even when such action has not been taken can involve
	you and the company in all manner of complications. If you
	know of a wrong, it is far better to correct it than to draw
	attention to it.

    4.  Do not interfere with DEC's business.

	This is an employee activity conference. It must not negatively
	impact the business of the company. Your behavior here must
	not interfere with your own work or with that of others.

    5.  Do not use obscene language or fighting words.

	Not only mustn't you speak badly of other people, but you must
	not use language in a way that is likely to offend, either due
	to the specific words used or the manner in which they are
	presented. "Fighting words" are words or phrases which are in
	and of themselves provocative and likely to incite to anger. 

    6.  Do not talk about sex in detail.

	Although it is not likely to be a problem in this conference,
	the subject of sex is sufficiently objectionable to a large
	portion of the populace to warrant specific mention here. The 
	details of sexual behavior and practices are not appropriate 
	in a DEC-sponsored forum.

    7.  Do not harass other users.

	Harassment occurs when someone takes offense with some
	statement or action; asks for it to stop; and the act is not
	stopped.  Part of our civil rights is the right to not be
	harassed by others (i.e., bothered repeatedly).
    


535.2The GuidelinesKAOFS::S_BROOKTue Dec 24 1991 15:04128
        This note is rather lengthy. It contains a fairly large number
        of guidelines for members of this conference. Please read
        through it completely, despite its length. A general outline
        is as follows:
        
            1.  Subject matter
            2.  Speaking badly of others
            3.  Criminal behavior and legal actions
            4.  Interfering with work
            5.  Inappropriate language
            6.  Length of notes
            7.  Use of topics

            
     1. Subject matter
        
	This conference is for discussion of Canada and things Canadian
    	as described in .0
    
	Please bear in mind that this Notes file constitutes a corporate
	document.  While this is a private conference, what you say in it 
	is a matter of public record.

    
     2. Speaking badly of others
        
        When discussing different approaches to a problem or issue, please
        be careful to confine your discussion to the issues and not the
        person.  Although you may disagree vehemently with another person's
        viewpoint, courteous responses are expected.
            
        Suppose that someone makes an argument which you feel is wrong. You
        could respond in any one of the following manners: 
            
                "You'd have to be out of your mind to believe that!"
                "That argument is stupid."
                "That argument is wrong."
                "I disagree with that completely."
                
        The first two are unacceptable. There is no reason to criticize
        the person or to ridicule the argument. Merely stating that it
        is wrong or that you don't believe it, and explaining why, should
        be sufficient. It is, of course, more politic to say that you
        disagree, but it *is* acceptable to say that an argument or
        statement is wrong, provided you explain your reasoning.
        
     3. Criminal behavior & legal actions
            
        It can be quite hard to determine what constitutes a crime, given
        that DEC and this conference's membership reach from Hong Kong in
        the West (Ain't it great what computers do to you?) to Tel Aviv in
        the East. To take an example that is not likely to come up here,
        what if a member speaks of his experience with marijuana?  Most of
        us would immediately think he was talking about breaking the law,
        but marijuana isn't illegal in all of the places the Easy-net
        reaches, and you can get a prescription for it in many places where
        it is illegal. 
            
        The best guideline is to not discuss things that are illegal in the
        area where you live or work, and to avoid speaking about things
        that are illegal in a large part of the world. 
        
     4. Interfering with work
            
        It is very important that employee activity noting not interfere
        with the work of the corporation. There are, however, many ways to
        avoid this. In some parts of the company, activities not directly
        related to your job must only be engaged in during off-hours. In
        other parts this issue is handled by individual judgment or by
        mechanisms such as limiting (in software) the number of notes
        servers that can run during working hours.

     5. Inappropriate language
            
        Avoid "cuss-words", "four-letter words" and the like. Additionally,
        ordinary words can become "fighting words" when used improperly.
        There is nothing obscene (in English, at least) in calling
        someone's mother a camel, for instance. It might, however, get
        you punched in the nose. Provocative language of any sort is
        inappropriate. 
            
        ("Fighting words" is a legal concept in the U.S., by the way where
        there have been Supreme Court rulings on their use. The phrase
        is not intended to cover all statements which you might find
        offensive, but rather those which basically communicate nothing but
        aggressive or negative emotional content. They include but are not
        limited to "cuss words".) 
        
     6. Length of notes

        It seems that on many philosophical topics people tend to "run
        off at the keyboard". There are a couple of problems with this.
        First, you lose your audience about 95% of the time. Second, the
        moderators have to read everything in the conference. We're a
        captive audience; show some mercy (most of you know all about
        this, right?).
            
        We strongly recommend the following guidelines. (Failure to follow
        them may get you mail from us asking you to follow them in the
        future.)
                
                Limit each note to 100 lines. That's a lot of text,
                nearly two pages single spaced.
                
                Limit each note to a single subject.  If someone says
                several things that inspire you to respond, break them
                into separate replies if they are going to be of any
                real length.

     7. Use of topics

	Users are encouraged to open new topics when they wish to discuss 
	a new subject.  Use different topics (.0 notes) for different
        thought. This allows subsequent readers to follow each chain of
        thought. It also makes historical research easier.  When you
        give separate topics to separate thoughts, it tends to encourage
        each to be responded to.  When several are run together into one
        note, then typically several get lost.  Please do a DIR/TITLE
        first, to be sure there isn't already a topic under way.  

        Try to make your titles, both for topics and for replies, as
        descriptive  as possible of the subject of your note.  This
        greatly aids historical research.

        

    
535.3The ProceduresKAOFS::S_BROOKTue Dec 24 1991 15:1266
    
	There are a couple of procedures that we want to have members of
	the conference follow. They are intended to minimize the
	disruption of the conference and limit the possibilities for
	misunderstanding and offense. Please follow them.
        
        Everyone should read through notes 535.* These notes
        contain information intended for all members of this community.
	    
        Anyone writing in the conference should introduce themselves by
        replying to note 536. This accomplishes two things. It helps us to
        know each other and to take responsibility for our behavior, and
        it helps the moderators know that you have read the rules and
        procedures.

			      Handling Complaints

	No matter how well-intentioned we are, being human, we can
	expect to write notes here which unintentionally offend others
	or break one of the conference rules. When this happens, we
	need to handle it expeditiously and with sensitivity. It may
	be necessary to involve some part of DEC's management, but we
	hope to do so only when absolutely necessary. The following
	procedures are intended to enable us to deal with the problems
	as quickly and with as little fuss as possible. PLEASE follow
	them if there are problems. 

	    If any person finds a note in this file objectionable, they
	    have the right to contact the author of the note and/or the
	    moderator and request that action be taken.

	    Members of this file are obliged to immediately hide a note
	    when they receive a complaint about its content, if requested
            by the complainer. (This is done by using the SET NOTE/HIDDEN 
	    command.)  Once the note is hidden, the author and the 
            objecting party should negotiate a resolution of the problem 
	    created by the note. Normally the moderator will act as a 
            middleman in this process.
    
    	    Alternatively, the moderator may delete the note in question,
    	    and return it to the author indicating why the action was
    	    taken, and give the author the opportunity to discuss the
    	    matter if desired with the moderator, and how, if applicable,
    	    the note may be made acceptable.  This method may be used
    	    in preference, by the moderator, since hidden notes do
    	    attract considerable unwarranted attention.
    
	    Possible resolutions might include one or more of the
	    following: 

	      - deleting the note and re-posting it in an edited form
	      - deleting it all together
	      - posting a clarifying or explanatory note
	      - a simple explanation to the objecting party
	      - withdrawal of the complaint and "unhiding" or
                reposting the note

	    If the moderators can not find a solution that is
	    satisfactory to both parties, or if they are unable to
	    act as go-betweens, either because of involvement in the
	    problem or because it would interfere with their work, they
	    may bring the problem to the attention of the appropriate
	    organization within DEC. This could be Personnel, Management, 
	    Legal or Security, depending on the issue or the people 
            involved. 

535.4A Moderator's Last RequestKAOFS::S_BROOKTue Dec 24 1991 15:1815
    These Rules, Guidelines and Procedures are widely used by other
    conferences and have been adapted for this conference.
    
    There may be some later modifications to these topics.
    
    One last request ...
    
    If you have issue with a moderator action, or moderatorial policy,
    please bring it to the attention of a moderator by sending MAIL
    and NOT by writing or replying to a note in this conference.  Things
    can be generally worked out in a far more satisfactorily way outside
    the notes environment.
    
    
    
535.5KAOFS::S_BROOKMon Jan 27 1992 12:5613
    Just a reminder ...
    
    All notes should be attributable back to their original author ...
    therefore, if you write a note from a generic account, like SYSTEM
    or USER or whatever, you should sign your note with a full name
    that can uniquely identify you.
    
    When you quote someone else's notes, a reference back to the original
    note should be used, unless the note is from the immediate string of
    notes in the topic being written.
    
    If you quote from someone else's mail, you should get the author's
    permission to post it.
535.6New Corporate Guidelines - Please Read and FollowKAOFS::S_BROOKFri Jan 31 1992 14:27125
    The following memo from Corporate Personnel sets a far more strict
    policy statement regarding the use of and contents of Employee
    Interest Notes Files which includes the Canada conference.
    
    Because these guidelines would normally require more thorough
    moderatorial monitoring, I would ask that you follow these as
    closely as possible.  Your co-operation would be greatly appreciated.
    
    Note that it is not clear at this stage whether some of the
    moderatorial actions are meant to be applied retroactively.  If
    so, at some point many notes may disappear.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Stuart
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     29-Jan-1992 11:49am EST
                                        From:     RON GLOVER
                                                  GLOVER.RON
                                        Dept:     Corporate Employee Relations
                                        Tel No:   508-493-9569

TO: Conference Moderators

Subject: A Message to Employee Interest Notes File Users                        



By way of introduction, I am the Corporate Personnel Policy Manager.  
Part of my responsibility includes providing interpretation of Digital's 
Personnel Policy, including the Personnel Policy 6.54.   I would greatly 
appreciate your assistance in posting the attached memo from John Sims in 
the Notes files you moderate, and as many other Employee Interest Notes 
Files as possible.  Please give me a call if you have any questions.




                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     30-Jan-1992 
                                        From:     John Sims
                                                  SIMS.JOHN AT A1 at CORA @ CORE
                                        Dept:     Strategic Resources
                                        Tel No:   223-7243

TO:  Employee Interest Notes File Participants 


Subject:  A message to employee interest notes file users

           A MESSAGE TO EMPLOYEE INTEREST NOTES FILE USERS
    
    
    Over the last few months I have received a number of complaints 
    from employees, and individuals outside of the company about 
    material communicated in electronic mail systems and posted in 
    various employee interest notes files.  After reading some of this 
    material it is clear that a reminder about appropriate comment and 
    behavior in these systems is necessary.
    
    First, and most critically; the electronic mail systems and notes 
    files are company facilities subject to normal workplace rules of 
    conduct.   As such, the same rules that govern conduct and comment 
    in any other Digital workplace apply with equal weight in these 
    systems.  Stated simply, if you wouldn't say something in a 
    Digital business meeting, you shouldn't say it in electronic mail 
    or notes. PERIOD.  
    
    Statements that attribute improper, illegal or immoral motives or 
    actions to others; statements that cast aspersions on the 
    character or integrity of others or that amount to libel or 
    slander are not permitted. PERIOD.  In this regard, it does not 
    matter whether the individuals subject to the comment are elected 
    public officials or directors of organizations disfavored by the 
    author.   There is no "Public Figure" exception in these systems.
    
    Comments of a sexual nature are not acceptable whether they are 
    about the author or directed at others.  Similarly, comments that 
    degrade, devalue or discriminate against others are also 
    prohibited.
    
    Neither the notes conferences nor electronic mail should be used 
    to solicit other employees.  This prohibition covers efforts to 
    solicit employees for personal or political gain, to sell or 
    market goods or services (except authorized marketplace or 
    discount conferences) and efforts to solicit employees to take 
    action, sign petitions or support particular causes or candidates.
    
    Finally, employees should remember that it is never appropriate to 
    spend working time in employee interest notes for non-work 
    purposes.  Personal or entertainment activities in these notes 
    files should be limited to assigned break times, lunch time and 
    before or after business hours.  
    
    Employee interest notes files and conferences provide an 
    electronic forum to share ideas and opinions about matters of 
    common interest.  In supporting these conferences, the company 
    understood that there would be occasions where employees would 
    disagree on issues being discussed, but we believed and continue 
    to believe it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable.  
    Personnel Policy 6.54, Proper Use of Digital Computers, Systems 
    and Networks provides further information about appropriate 
    conduct and comment in these systems.  Employees who fail to meet 
    these expectations, or who use company computer systems in ways 
    that are contrary to the letter or spirit of that policy are 
    subject to Corrective Action and Discipline up to and including 
    the termination of their employment.
    
    The moderators of these conferences, along with your system 
    managers, personnel representatives and the Personnel Policy 
    Manager are all available to answer any question you might have 
    about appropriate use of these systems.
    
    Please feel free to forward this memo to other Digital notes 
    files and conferences.

Distribution:  Selected conference moderators
        [Original list deleted]

535.7Important Policy ChangeTROOA::SOLEYSomeone call my lawyers, tell 'em that I'm deadWed Apr 07 1993 21:5432
    We're sorry to have to do this but we have no choice. Discussions regarding 
    nationalism and language policy are forbidden in the CANADA notesfile 
    effective immediately. Past discussions on these topics are write locked.

    When you write in any notesfile you are writing in your capacity as a
    Digital employee. Adding disclaimers or writing on your own time does
    not change this. The Introduction note to the conference makes this very 
    clear. It also tries to make clear what is not acceptable, two areas where 
    there have been repeated lapses include attacks on persons (specific 
    individuals, named or otherwise, and groups) and the use of inflammatory 
    language. 
    
    Unfortunately we see no way of continuing to allow discussions on these 
    topics within the guidelines.
    
    We urge you all to carefully re-read note 535 in particular the part of
    535.6 where it says that nothing should be said in notes or e-mail that 
    would not be said in a business meeting. Please also read the recent 
    message 'Nastygrams and the network do not mix' in US Livewire and please 
    keep in mind that you are, in a way, representing the company with what 
    you put into notesfiles.
    
    Our hope was that these issues could have been discussed without breaking 
    or pushing policy. We have gone out of our way to try to make these 
    discussions work within the guidelines, worked individually with some of 
    you to tone down messages and tried to recast the discussion on a higher 
    level framework. However the reality seems to be that no matter how cold 
    and intellectual these discussions start out they always become hot and 
    emotional, usually sooner than later. We feel the only approach to 
    resolving this issue fairly and without bias is to close down the 
    discussion entirely.
    
535.8Policy revisitedCSC32::S_BROOKI just passed myself going in the other direction!Wed Apr 14 1993 14:3670
    After a lot of consideration, and discussion with others about this
    policy, we are prepared to relax the strictness of our subject ban,
    but it will require the co-operation of those who note here.
    
    After the dust settles after about a month, we will remove the ban on
    the topics of nationalism and language policy ... but the following
    will be strictly enforced for these and all other topics ...
    
    1)  All discussions shall be on the issues, and based on factual
    information.  Generalities are to be avoided.
    
    2)  No one shall speak badly of any identifiable individual or group
    inside or outside of Digital.  This includes direct and indirect
    references.  It includes but is not limited to public figures,
    politicians, sports players, the dead, people in the media.  It 
    includes orgaizations, but is not limited to corporations (large or
    small), private businesses, charities, and the media.
    
    3)  So-called fighting words will not be permitted.  Statements likely
    to cause emotional responses are to be avoided.  Confrontations should
    be avoided.
    
    To enforce these, the following will occur ...
    
    1) Any and all notes violating these rules will be hidden and returned
    to the author for the author to fix or delete.
    
    2) If a significant number of notes in a discussion are returned to
    their authors, then the note will be write locked.  If discussion of
    the subject matter of the locked note is transferred to another note
    then it too shall be locked.  Such locks will remain in place for
    approximately two weeks.
    
    People have been under the impression that names cannot be used in
    a discussion ... this is not correct ...  Names may be used.
    
    For example ...
    
    John Doe writes a note saying that the moon is made of blue cheese.
    
    You may not reply ...
    
    .  Any idiot knows that the moon is made of liver sausage.  (Implies John
       is an idiot)
    
    .  You cannot beleive anything written by John Doe.  (Implies John Doe
       is a liar)
    
    .  John's head is made of Swiss cheese ... (a general insult)
    
    A reply should be along the lines of ...
    
    .  John, I believe you are wrong.  I have a friend who tells me that it is
       made of Gorgonzola.  (Note the use of *believe* ... in this case you
       do not have fact ... only hearsay  ... Unless you have firm evidence
       of your responding fact, this is the preferred form to the one that
       follows).
    
    .  John, you are wrong.  Scientists who analyzed the moon samples
       reported in Scientific American that the moon is made of petrified
       popcorn,  (In this case, you have a fact, or at least a well
       documented proof to back your assertion ... even so, saying that you
       *believe* John to be wrong is to be preferred, because it is not
       confrontational.)
    
    
    Understand that the readership of this conference is far wider than
    just the main stream of regular contributors.  The conference is here
    be a forum and an information place for things Canadian.  It is not
    here as a battle ground.