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Conference irocz::common_brouters

Title:Digital Brouters Conference
Notice:New common-code brouter family: RouteAbout, DECswitch 900
Moderator:MARVIN::HARTLL
Created:Mon Jul 17 1995
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:929
Total number of notes:3736

751.0. "Subnetting over Frame Relay" by 16.67.96.117::dfaust (Dennis Faust) Tue Feb 11 1997 10:44

I have a customer that is putting in a 30 site frame relay network using 
RouteAbout Access EW units. The topology is as shown below:

        Branch Office           Branch Office           Branch Office
              |                         |                       |
              |                         |                       |
 Branch       |         Branch          |               Branch  |
        \     |                 \       |                \      |
         \    |                  \      |                 \     |
          \ Region 1                Region 2                 Region 3
              |                         |                       |
              |                         |                       |
              +------------------ Corporate Office -------------+

The DLCIs are set up so the Branch offices only know about the regional 
offices and the regional offices know only about the Branch offices that feed 
into them and the corporate office. I want the RIP entries on the corproate 
offcies routers to know about all of the routers. My question is:

How many different subnets do I need to use on the frame cloud? I think that I 
need a "corporate to region" subnet, where the regional links to corporate 
share a commone subnet, then individual "region to Branch" subnets for each 
regional office. Is that correct? Or do I need a separate subnet for each 
"corporate to region" link and separate subnets for each "region to branch" 
link?

I think I could use (as an example) dubnet 10.0.1.x for the corporate office 
to the regions, then use 10.0.2.x for region 1 to branches, 10.0.3.x for 
region 2 to branches and 10.0.4.x for region 3 to branches.

The network is IP only, with no bridging enabled, and the routers are the IP 
only version.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Dennis Faust
DTN 328-3352

T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
751.1MARVIN::TURNERNeil Turner IPEG REO, 830-4140Thu Feb 13 1997 07:4824
I  assume  from your descriptions that each branch site has a single PVC 
to its regional site. In addition to it's PVC to the branch  a  regional 
site  then has a single PVC back to the central site. I also assume that 
there is no requirement of communication  between  branches  or  between 
regional sites. All traffic is to be from branch to region and region to 
central site?

If  the  above is true then you should configure the central to regional 
sites into one IP subnet and each regional site to  its  branches  in  a 
second  IP  subnet.  However  in order that the RIP information from the 
branch sites is propagated to the central site the Frame Relay interface 
on  the  regional  site  routers should be configured to have BOTH subnet 
addresses (ie that of the branches and that of the central site).

If any inter-branch or inter-regional  communication  is  required  then 
you will have to add static routes for these paths.

Incidentally  have  you  considered  using  PPP  over frame relay of this 
configuration? PPP over frame  relay  treats  each  PVC  as  a  separate 
point-to-point  link  and may provide a better solution particularly if 
inter-branch or inter-region traffic is required. It also allows you  to 
use data compression over the PVCs (depending on speed).

Neil
751.2FR meshed network and PPP over FR?SNOFS1::63496::CHIUANDREWWed Feb 19 1997 22:5912
    re .1
    
    It seems to me that if it is a MESHED network then we can 'group' ALL
    the FR interfaces into one IP subnet. If it is a POINT-TO-POINT and
    there will be inter-branches and inter-region communications, then we
    have to set up PPP over fram relay where each sub-interface (within
    the same FR physical line) will be one DIFFERENT IP subnets, is it
    correct?
    
    
    thanks in advance for help!
    Andrew Chiu - NSIS Sydney
751.3Meshed or Fully meshed...MARVIN::TURNERNeil Turner IPEG REO, 830-4140Thu Feb 20 1997 05:537
Yes if the configuration is FULLY meshed (every site has a PVC between itself and
every other remote site) then it would be possible to use just one IP subnet for
all of the FR interfaces on the routers. But I think this is unlikely in a
configuration this large (it would be very costly). If it is not FULLY meshed
then you need to follow my suggestions in .-2 and use 2 different subnets.

Neil
751.4MARVIN::CLEVELANDThu Feb 20 1997 08:323
    If you do use PPP over FR to arrange things on a point-point basis, you
    don't need to assign a subnet to each PPP circuit--just use unnumbered
    links.
751.5OSPF w/ P-to-MP interfacesMARVIN::HARTTony Hart, InterNetworking Prod. Eng. GroupFri Feb 21 1997 06:038
An alternative is to run OSPF rather than RIP and use point-to-multipoint
interfaces.  Unlike NBMA mode, P-to-MP doesn't require the FR network to be
fully meshed, and you can use whatever addresses you like on the FR interfaces.

Thats just a FYI, the previous notes have suggested other good reasons why you
might want to run PPP anyway (compression for instance).

Tony
751.6How to do this?SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIEHangovers: The Wrath of Grapes?Tue Feb 25 1997 23:0712
    Our customer has 4 regional offices which are linked to their head office
    with a PVC each.  All the WAN frame relay interfaces are in the same IP
    subnet.
    
    What are the various options to enable one regional office to
    communicate with another regional office?  In Cisco routers, I believe
    it is something to do with turning off split horizon - how does it work
    with the RouteAbout?
    
    Regards
    Jeannie