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Conference iosg::all-in-1

Title:ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Please spell ALL-IN-1 correctly - all CAPITALS!
Moderator:IOSG::PYECE
Created:Fri Jul 01 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2716
Total number of notes:12169

2265.0. "Timezone probs between V3.1 & v3.0A systems" by CHEFS::HULINI () Thu Sep 12 1996 21:09

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2265.1Curious!VNABRW::EHRLICH_KNever met a Lady like her before!Fri Sep 13 1996 10:2521
2265.2No V2.4 systems hereCHEFS::HULINIFri Sep 13 1996 14:4516
2265.3Time Offset in MGT MM SOC seems to be the problemCOPCLU::ELINElin Christensen @DMO, DTN 857-2406Wed Feb 26 1997 18:4766
2265.4Partial AnswerIOSG::PYEGraham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's ApprenticeWed Feb 26 1997 19:4118
2265.5Side effects if Time Offset is set to 0 ?COPCLU::ELINElin Christensen @DMO, DTN 857-2406Thu Feb 27 1997 18:2915
    
    Does the Time Offset only get used when you send/receive mail between
    ALL-IN-1 systems on the same network (via Message Router) ??
    
    If that is the case, I guess that we won't see side effects on Tele
    Danmark, if we set Time Offset to 0, as all Tele Danmark's ALL-IN-1
    systems are in the same timezone. ????
    
    
    Or does ALL-IN-1's Time Offset also get used when mail is sent via
    different gateways, X.400, Internet, (and whatever Lotus Notes and
    Exchange needs in order to communicate with ALL-IN-1), etc.?
    
    Elin
    
2265.6Why time offsetsZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEThu Feb 27 1997 18:4433
This note, and other time-offset ones probably, desperately needs one of
Scott's in-depth "This Is How It Works" descriptions! 

ALL-IN-1 always works in Local Time. As a User Agent, it has to know the time 
that the users have on their clocks. But in the mail world, there are 24 (ish) 
different times as I write this, so mail tries to establish a way of making 
sense of this.

Message Router has the concept of Network Time - all Message Routers should be 
set to the same global value (the same offset from GMT). Many networks set 
their MRs to run at GMT. 

So ALL-IN-1 (and other UAs) need to know the difference between Local Time and 
Network Time. Then, when ALL-IN-1 sends a message to MR, if it knows that Local 
Time is 1 hour ahead of Network Time (imagine ALL-IN-1 in Denmark, but Network 
Time = GMT), then it will subtract 1 hour from the times on the message.

When this message gets to the US (say), the times are still at GMT. But 
ALL-IN-1 there knows that it's 5 hours behind GMT, so it subtracts 5 hours 
from the time on the message. The end result is that the recipient sees what 
time the message was sent, expressed in the recipient's local time.

The same rules apply if the message leaves MR via a gateway e.g. XMR or MRX to 
get into X.400. Both of these Gateways need to know what the MR time 
represents i.e. they need to know if MR is using GMT as its Network Time - if 
it's not, they need to know the offset from GMT (This is because X.400 
timestamps are GMT-based).

So time-offsets are required every time a message leaves or rejoins the "user 
world", and possibly again if it changes backbone environments which have 
different rules for what Network Time is.

grahame
2265.7and the answersZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEThu Feb 27 1997 18:5020
So what I should have said was:
    
    Does the Time Offset only get used when you send/receive mail between
    ALL-IN-1 systems on the same network (via Message Router) ??
    
Yes, if you mean the ALL-IN-1 offset

    If that is the case, I guess that we won't see side effects on Tele
    Danmark, if we set Time Offset to 0, as all Tele Danmark's ALL-IN-1
    systems are in the same timezone. ????

You must make sure that each ALL-IN-1 system has the same offset.    
    
    Or does ALL-IN-1's Time Offset also get used when mail is sent via
    different gateways, X.400, Internet, (and whatever Lotus Notes and
    Exchange needs in order to communicate with ALL-IN-1), etc.?
    
No, it doesn't - see -.1

grahame