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Conference hylndr::cdrom

Title:Topics for Discussion about CDROM
Notice:ConOLD problems=150.*; ConDist problems=151.*
Moderator:WMOENG::PACKARD
Created:Thu Mar 14 1991
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:437
Total number of notes:2500

433.0. "650 MB support?" by TPOVC::MOBBYLIN (Network Navigator) Tue Mar 11 1997 06:14

    Hi,
    
    Can OpenVMS and Digital UNIX support 650 MB CD-ROM or just 600 MB? In PC
    clone, it always shows up to 650MB it can use.
    
    regards,
    Mobby.
    
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433.1HYLNDR::BROWNTue Mar 11 1997 20:4934
    
    The CD-ROM readers will read what ever is physically crammed on the
    discs.  The actual amount of data varies from disc to disc.  The volume 
    size reported on PCs is often just a nominal maximum of 650Mb (about 
    74 minutes running time) rather than the actual disc volume size.  
    
    The actual volume size of a disc depends on how much is burned on the 
    disc -- which types of disks are used to stage the material to be mastered, 
    which low and/or high volume equipment is used to create the media, etc.  
    The standard blank discs come rated in number of minutes running time.  We 
    typically use 74 minute blanks, but also have some 68 minute ones. 
    I've seen some 60, 62, 63 minute blanks and there might be some 78
    minute blanks too.  I've burned 30 second disks contain one or two 
    files as well as burning full 74 minute discs.
    
    The formula for determining size of the volume is:
    
    (nn minutes * 60 secs/minute) * 75 * 2048 / 2**10 = Mb
    
    (60 minutes * 60 secs/minute) * 75 * 2048 / 2**10 = 527.34Mb  552,960,000
    (68 minutes * 60 secs/minute) * 75 * 2048 / 2**10 = 597.65Mb  626,688,000
    (72 minutes * 60 secs/minute) * 75 * 2048 / 2**10 = 632.81Mb  663,552,000
    (74 minutes * 60 secs/minute) * 75 * 2048 / 2**10 = 650.39MB  681,984,000
    
    I often see a cdrom quoted as having a capacity of 660 megabytes (10**6, 
    72 minutes) and 650 Mb (2**10, 74 minutes).
    
    There are practical considerations in burning longer and longer disks.
    Its been awhile and equipment might have improved, but longer disks are
    placing data near the outer edge of the disc.  The outer edge, besides
    being more subject to handling, also has more hard manufacturing
    defects.  For our purposes, we conservatively use 72 minutes as
    our max volume size.
    
433.2The answer is NO!TPOVC::MOBBYLINNetwork NavigatorWed Apr 30 1997 01:197
    So What is the answer, It seems to be NO. can I use the PC CDROM
    driver?
    
    Why HP can use the 650MB capacity?
    regards,
    Mobby.
    
433.3HYLNDR::BROWNWed Apr 30 1997 18:0128
    
    No, you missed the point.  VMS can support whatever is on the disc. 
    There is a physical limit of what can be crammed on a disc.  So the
    answer is yes.
    
    I'll be happy to provide a DOS CD-ROM driver that will report back a 
    size of 20000MB if you want...  but in reality only the amount of data
    that was written on the disc can be read off and that amount is finite
    and defined by the cd-rom physical standard and that physical standard
    is supported by any/all cd-rom readers.  
    
    My point is that you never know if the disc size being reported is
    based upon a fixed size hard coded within the driver, the value 
    returned from querying the device (which might have a hard coded value),
    the TOC value from the disc, or a computed value from the data track.
    
    For example, I've a disc containing ~500MB - that is what is reported
    back and is derived from the TOC information.  But in reality there is
    only a 10MB data track (first track) and then a bunch of music tracks
    (non-data).  The returned value is the size of the whole disc, not the
    data track.  Put it into another drive/platform combination and it will
    report 10MB.  In another 600MB, and in another 650MB.... but its all 
    the same disc.
    
    Reporting on the size of a cd-rom disc is completely relative/arbitrary -- 
    and that was my point.