Conference hydra::dejavu

    Question 1:
    
    While the standard 'poker deck' is an offshoot of the tarot deck,
    it has been cut down, and some meanings are not exactly the same
    as they would be in the tarot deck.  Even among tarot decks and
    their readers, there may be several interpretations for a particular
    card, depending on surrounding cards, and some 'feel' the reader
    is having.
    
    Question 2:
    
    There could be several explanations for having a name that is not
    yours surrounding you.  First, it could be that you are incorrectly
    named.  How do you feel about that name?  Do you feel that that
    is what your name should be?  If not, there are other explanations.
    There could be a spirit around you with that name.  Do you have
    any deceased relatives or friends with that name?  Does the description
    you are getting seem to apply to them?  Of course, another explanation
    is that the reader is picking up something that is not there.
    
    

    
    	I recently met someone who did a reading of me. This person
    refers what they are doing as channeling (i'm not sure if this term
    was being used loosely or literally). The question I have is they
    kept reffering to my child, and my adolescent? Although I understood
    what they were talking about, when refer to traits of the child
    or adolescent within me. In all that I've read on spiritualism,
    channeling, Pyschic readings, auras, etc. I've never read references
    to the child, or different developement stages that remain within
    a person and are availabe to visit or speak with on another plain,
    except of course in pyschology, which maybe is the context that
    this person is using?
    	Anyways I certainly intend to ask this person next time I see
    them. But I was wondering if anyone else is familiar with this?
    The person implies the ca carry on and visit with say my adolescent,
    un be known to me, while they are sitting there and talking to me?
    	Anything I can read about that will clarify this?
    
    
    Thanks
    Marilyn

    re: .2 (Marilyn)
     
         I found it a bit difficult to figure out what your question
    is, exactly, since you say you understand but then you don't.
    In any case, I don't know where to direct you specifically within
    these notes, but information about the child/adolescent within
    is in several topics.  The basis for understanding this does not
    come from psychology necessarily but rather from physics.  It
    starts with the premise that time is an illusion and as such
    all moments are concurrent ("be here now").  If so, then what
    you "were" at 3 is still present, as is what you were at
    14 or what you will be at 63, etc.  So, not even to the extent
    that you can consider other lifetimes, other realities, etc.,
    what YOU (Marilyn) are is comprised of all the past, present
    and future parts of yourself.  That being the case, then if there
    is a "problem" with something you experienced at 5, say, then it
    is still very much there.  In psychology (transactional analysis,
    mostly) the time element is not important, but rather that the
    event is one which occurred and has had and HAS an impact on the
    present.  So by accessing the child (within) that had the problem, the issue
    can be addressed.  In this new spirituality, similarly, the child
    or adolescent within can be "called on" and can have their problems
    resolved.  A further twist comes in the use of "how".  Simply relying
    on memory may be ineffective, since many events get blocked for
    whatever reasons.  But by using meditation (hypnosis---which is
    used by psychologists, etc. occasionally--being a way to
    "meditationally" release the block) one can deal in a milieu
    which doesn't have to conform to time or space and can therefore
    very effective alter events which the person believes to have 
    occurred.  So, in this fashion one can enter into a meditative
    state, "discover" the child/adolescent (or even future self, etc.)
    within and can "correct" situations which exist in THEIR reality.
    (By giving them what they want, mostly...such as love, protection,
    friendships, etc.)  Does it work?  Absolutely.  It may, like so
    many other things, require some practice to learn how to establish
    the contact, etc., however.
          As for the channeling part, there is a recent note that
    talks about this (Carole Fretts wrote some good stuff that relates
    to your question/interpretation.)
          What does all this have to do with spirituality?  EVERYTHING.
    
    
    Frederick
    

re: -1
    
    Frederick's comments struck a chord with me--especially the part about
    getting in touch with yourself at these other ages.  When I am feeling
    upset and can't seem to put my finger on the cause, I imagine
    "snapshots", if you will, of myself at different ages.  As I picture
    what I looked like at the different ages, I check to see if the child I
    picture is happy or unhappy.  If the child is unhappy, I direct my
    attention there and see if I can determine why the child (me) is
    unhappy.  Sometimes the answer is obvious--the child is tired.  Other
    times, the child is lonely or needs attention.  Whatever the problem
    is, I take care of that child.  If tired, I allow her to sleep
    peacefully; if lonely, I hold her and talk to her; if angry, I try to
    find out why and resolve it.  Most of the time, listening alone
    resolves the problem.  By the time I am done with this exercise, I find
    that my out-of-sorts feelings have disappeared and I feel better
    because I have been in touch with myself.
    
    At other times, I go in the other direction and envision how I see
    myself in 10-20 years or more.  This is very instructive and I use it
    as a guide in my everyday life.  It keeps me on the path I wish to
    follow.
    
    Jill
    

    One more thought.  When I say "I do this-and-that" for the child, I am
    also doing it for myself.  Seeing that she is tired and needs a nap
    allows me to get the rest that *I* need.  This is just one method that
    has allowed me to become more in touch with my true feelings and helps
    me communicate with myself--something that once was non-existent
    because I spent so much time denying myself.
    
    I hope this helps,
    
    Jill

    Thanks Frederick, and Jill.
    	Frederick, I think you answered my question or confirmed my
    suspicion, that time is irrelevant in the spiritual world, and that
    this person can be simultaneously talking to me on a concious level
    and communicating with the adolescent in me on different plane.
    It's a just a different concept to me. In counseling or therapy
    in the traditional sense I am accustomed to being asked to think
    back address the past etc. In my readings of a spiritual nature
    I've heard about levels of conciousness, different planes, different
    layers of the aura, each charkra's meaning etc. 
    	And even though, the concept of the child and adolescent was
    familiar, I just never heard or read about it in this context of
    accessing or communicating in the spiritual sense, although it makes
    perfect sense. I was, am curious, and interested in what others
    have to say and have said.
    
    Thank-you all
    Marilyn