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    Something I would like to add:
    Being a newcomer to the notes and this conference, I am sitting here in
    total, utter awe, looking at tens of thousands of entries made by
    people with vastly different viewpoints over a period of five years on
    subjects of which I think my curiosity can never be satisfied.
    Since I value sharing so much, this is a real gold-mine for me.
    I mean where else can you get conferences as extensive as this, right
    at your fingertips? 
    I think I'll be doing a lot of overtime at the computer, reading up on
    people's wisdom, ideas and experiences.
    Love and thanks to all the co-creators (that means EVERYBODY!)
    Paul S.

    Welcome Paul,
    
    I have heard of the Avatar course, but not taken it.  Regarding the
    idea that our beliefs create our experiences, I think you will find
    many people in this file who share this viewpoint, including
    me.
    
    I believe there is probably a multitude of information available
    pertaining to this concept.  A few I can think of off the top of my
    head are:
    
    	- A Course In Miracles
    	- Empowerment - by David Gershon and Gail Straub
    	- Living With Vision - Linda Marks
    	- Global Mind Change - Willis Harman
    	- The Seat of The Soul - Gary Zukav
    	- The various Seth books by Jane Roberts
    	- Creative Visualization - Shakti Gawain (sp?)
    
    If you are fairly new to exploring this concept, The Empowerment book
    by Gershon and Straub may be an excellent reference.  Along with
    information about how beliefs create the experiences in one's life,
    it is written in a workbook format providing exercises to become
    more aware of and transform limiting beliefs.
    
    Hope this is helpful.  
    
    Happy journeying!
    
    Karen.*
                     

    Hi Paul,
    
    I have also heard of Avatar.  Unfortunately, I felt the cost to be
    prohibitive (seemed to be in the range of $2,000 for a very short 
    course, ie a weekend or so).  As Karen mentioned, the same information
    can be found through other sources.  I have worked with many of the
    materials Karen listed (A Course in Miracles and Seat of the Soul being
    tops for me).  I have just started working with the Empowerment
    workbook that Karen also mentioned and have found it to have almost
    immediate impact on my life.  I would also add to her list any of Gerry
    Jampolsky's books which are based on A Course in Miracles (Love is
    Letting Go of Fear, Teach only Love.  He also has a wonderful
    autobiography and a new book out that is terrific; can't remember the
    titles offhand).
    
    Not sure where you are located, but there are also many interesting
    lectures and workshops given at Interface in Watertown, Mass that tie
    in with 'creating your own reality' etc.
    
    You might also be interested in the books, tapes, and workshops of
    Lazaris, but I won't steal Frederick's thunder...
    
    Ro
    

    re: .3 (RO-ey!)
    
         Gee, everything was going along just fine...reading replies,
    mostly agreeing, then on the last sentence...  8-)
    
         Ro, don't do that!  It's not *MY* thunder!  It's just there.
    My ego does not need to be involved to the extent that only I
    can speak of this.  (My ego is involved enough everywhere else.;-) )
    Anyone who is aware of Lazaris and what he talks about is free to
    give their view...
    
        And while I say this, let me point out that Lazaris has often
    pointed out the message that "belief precedes experience."  I
    am certain I have entered this in notes somewhere (best bet...note
    358 somewhere.)  Wherever you find your lessons is the place that
    is proper for you.
    
    Frederick
    

    Hi Frederick, or anyone else knowledgeable about the current doings of
    Lazaris:  I would be very interested to read "A SACRED JOURNEY: YOU AND
    YOUR HIGHER SELF". 
    I've read "Seat of the Soul" a while back and really liked it. I will
    pick it up again this weekend and focus on the creating realities
    aspect. Thank you Karen and Ro (.2,.3) for the references.
    
    Often I look around in my world and I've forgotten: I am creating this.
    Why do I continue to choose limits and denial where love and freedom are
    so close at hand...and feel a lot better too !?
    
    Peace,
    Paul

    Paul,
    
    I have A SACRED JOURNEY as well as the other two Lazaris books,
    please contact me off-line if you would like to borrow it.
    
    Sorry Frederick, I mentioned you because I feel you describe Laz
    with more of a passion and with more eloquence than I do - that's
    all...
    
    Ro
    

Hi Paul!

Welcome!

You're making a nice incarnation here...... :-):-)

Arie    

    
    re: .4  (Freddie)
    
    >    And while I say this, let me point out that Lazaris has often
    >pointed out the message that "belief precedes experience."  I
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Were my studies of philosophy still crisp in my razor sharp
    brain, I'd be able to express my ideas more clearly.  Maybe
    one of you intellectuals out there can help me out:
    
    Doesn't belief precede experience by definition?  Or perhaps
    I'm grasping at a concept without the right words.  But believing
    in something that is experientially verifiable is pretty much
    an empty statement.  e.g. - I believe in gravity.  Uh-huh, so
    what does that mean.  Belief as a leap of faith (ala Kierkegaard)
    believing in something that cannot be verified - that is a horse
    of an entirely different colour - and certainly a much larger
    horse.
    
    But then I am looking at the statement from the context of a
    traditional philosophy unlike that of Laz-baby,  so it probably
    makes sense from his context.  (Gosh I wish there were more
    female disincarnate entities - it would be SOOOOOO nice to here
    lofty thoughts from something that wasn't male.)
    
    alison
    

    re: .8
    
    I agree that there are different levels of belief systems. But the
    concept stays the same for me, if it's believing as a leap of faith
    or believing in something that's experimentally verifyable. The latter
    includes transparent beliefs that we take for granted. Our marvellous
    body for instance. Are those five senses that pass certain frequencies
    really telling us the whole story, the essence of what we are
    observing? Let's take gravity.  For all of us it seems obvious. Throw
    a flowerpot from the third floor, the admiring young man will stop
    singing (and start moaning).  But take away all the beliefs that you
    have about your body (such as "I am a physical being/my
    eyes/ears/memory are defining my reality) and a few others that might
    make that experience real for you, and the whole thing just becomes
    another belief system, along with others that you now perceive with
    your expanded viewpoint.  The singing won't bother you anymore...!
    Experimentally verifiable implies 
    a) that a proof is needed 
    b) that we have one, by
    c) building instruments that are able to measure some event more precisely
       and translate it into some of our limited five senses
    d) something that we have all created and agreed upon.
       (to someone who believes they are flying when obviously lying down
       we say: "C'mon, get real!". If we were the only one together with
       this nut, and we were locked in a cell together, we may begin to 
       question our reality, unless either we insisted upon being right or
       had already convinced the other person of their nuttiness)
    Now this has'nt been one of my experiences, but I love toying around
    with these ideas (and occasionally believing them)!
    Yup, you've got a first class NUT in your notes here ;^).
    
    In nutness,
    Paul S.
    
    P.S. (<-Still me) Alison, I'm with you on that last paragraph. 
    Would somebody please channel a female entity...@ )
    
    
                                     

    Paul,
    	I'm still trying to clarify what you are saying. Are you saying
    that you have taken this Avatar course and wish to share it with those
    of us who are interested or that you are looking into it and are asking
    for other's opinions of the couse prior to your involvement? 
    
    Joe

    re: a couple back (Alison)
    
         I think the context of the statement was not the same as 
    what you are discussing.  The context is such that states the
    reverse of what he has stated.  That is, people generally believe
    that once they experience something, they form beliefs out
    of that experience.  IF you knew nothing about governmental
    political parties, for instance, and knew a Republican...you
    could probably count on being a Republican from that point on...
    even after meeting a Democrat.  So your *experience*, of being
    indoctrinated in Republicanism, precedes your belief that the
    legitimate way to be political is by being a Republican.  What
    Lazaris suggests is that it's the reverse.  That you are a Republican
    (whether you can acknowledge it or not) and THEN you experience
    Republicanism (in this poor example.)
         Whether you think it's "so what?" or not, I am fairly convinced
    that most people, myself included, have held the belief that experience
    comes before beliefs (and hence attitudes.)  I have now for several
    years been observing that what Lazaris says has a good basis in my
    truth...that my beliefs, stretching as far back as I can remember,
    PROBABLY set up events and experiences that in turn formed new
    beliefs and attitudes.  To think this way requires shifting sets...
    and I'm all for shifting sets.  I am totally, overwhelmingly
    unimpressed with the set I have observed to be the history of
    the world.  That old junk simply hasn't worked very well.  So,
    I welcome a change that shows promise of working far better and
    with more positive outcomes.  This thought, that belief precedes
    experience, is exactly the type of change that is necessary in
    order to shift sets.
    
    Frederick
    

re: .8 (alison)

    I think that you are confusing "belief" with "faith".  In traditional
    philosophical terminology, "belief" comes in two basic flavors:
    "knowledge" which is justified belief, and "faith" which is belief
    which requires no justification.

    Lazaris is saying something more subtle.  He is saying that unless you
    believe that you *can* experience something, you *cannot* experience
    it.

				Topher

    re: .12 (Topher)
    
         ...maybe, but he is also saying more.  He is saying that
    if you want such-and-such an experience ("I want a decent relationship"
    "I want a good job" "I want a lot of money") that you must
    first check out your beliefs.  Because if your beliefs aren't in
    order, that your experiences won't necessarily reflect your
    stated desires.  If you hold a child eye's view that men are
    powerful and that your father was abusive and you grow up to be
    a man, then you must either cop out of being a man or cop out
    of being powerful and will undoubtably experience all the things
    that come with that territory, i.e., "wimpiness" or lack of any
    real power, lots of failure, etc.  Until and unless the beliefs
    that hold you locked in are replaced, you CANNOT be powerful (in 
    a positive, non-abusive way.)  THis is a generalized example
    and is subject to other variables, but the point it tries to make
    is that we cannot achieve certain STATED desires as long as 
    counter-productive beliefs are held in place.  I also stated
    a long time ago another of Lazaris' corresponding statements
    that "you ALWAYS get what you want, not necessarily what you SAY
    you want" or "you always get what you really want, not what you
    say you want."  Because the beliefs won't support the thing you
    want...because the FEELINGS won't support what you say you want.
    Change the beliefs, change the feelings (more positive or focused
    and less negative or damaging) and THEN you can experience or
    manifest what you say you want for it will be identical to what
    you really want.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    You set your own limits by your perceptions of what can happen (what is 
    possible) and what can not.  Expand your limits and you expand your
    experience.
    
    Mary

    
    re: .12 (Topher)
    
    Thanks for restating what Laz was saying. 
    
    I still maintain - So what.  But I understand better what I was
    thrashing about trying to say.  What I was really trying to say
    was - "You mean it isn't a given that you have to believe something
    before you experience it?" 
    
    I'll just keep wandering through life being shocked and surprized.....
    
    alison
    

    re: .10
    Hi Joe,
    I guess I wasn't being very clear, 2nd try: I am in the process of
    taking the Avatar course and my purpose in this discussion is to
    present and share some of my ideas that I am thinking about, the funda-
    mental one being "Your beliefs determine your experience".  I would
    like to see what kinds of discussions bloom out of them.
    I'm also interested in other people's opionion about the course itself.
    Now I'm not clear on what your title ("What did you gain from it?") had
    to do with your note and what you meant. Thanks for the pointer...
    
    Paul S.
    
                                                                         

    At first I wasn't sure if I should create a topic like this or
    be a silent reader (I don't usually do this, y'know!), but It 
    felt right because I think Avatar is important and deserves a mention.
    Reading about the state of yoga in the description of Sahaja yoga in
    401 I found some similarities with the state of 'Avatar' that is achieved 
    in the course and inspired me to write a little more about it for 
    those interested.
    
    What is important here too is that it is not necessary or even
    recommended to subscribe to any beliefs.  That's the stuff that one
    learns to work with and 'handle' in the course.
    
    The first thing the student learns is how his judgements and beliefs
    shape his or her reality, to suspend his resistance to anything being
    experienced and to create a specific reality at will, without
    any counterintention.
    
    The main section of the course consists of a series of 'rundowns' that
    enable the student to discreate any limitations or beliefs. The state
    that is achieved upon utilizing these techniques can be described as
     'limitless all-consciousness' , 'pure creative consciousness' or 'source
    awareness'... bliss, Nirvana, or whatever words seem most meaningful,
    for in the end words only describe and it has to be experienced.  It is 
    the state from which all judgements, limitations, beliefs, feelings, 
    identities arise. 
    The rundowns handle such things as body, limitations,
    identities, "persistant masses" (desires, compulsions, etc.) and the 
    idea of 'being someone', of being seperate from mass consciousness.
    In a period of five to seven days one realizes oneself as an
    omniscent creator of one's own life experiences.
    
    Many people consider it to be a 'western Zen course'. I think it hits
    the point because it is geared towards western logical thinking and
    terminology. Also because it includes the element of money (the cost
    for the course is $2000).  I've thought about the pros and cons and
    one of the things I've found for myself is that as a westerner I've
    learned to put a lot of value on money. What costs a lot, has a lot
    of value. I'm getting better(;^), but when I am honest with myself, I 
    find that I would'nt be quite as alert, sincere and cautious if it
    were for free or little.  I want to make sure I get my "money's worth".
    Many people in the world today hold these or similar beliefs.  The
    possibility this opens up is that in places or persons that strongly
    hold these materialistic beliefs, the Avatar technology can be intro-
    duced and I think this could cause more harmony and alignement.
    
    It is already happening and Avatar is spreading around the globe.
    I believe that it is one of the things going around right now,
    contributing towards a unified peaceful planet.  When one has had the
    experience of not being seperate anymore, of being one with everything,
    the choice of creating separation is still there, but chances are 
    one will lean towards the peace and expansion that has been experienced.
    The very first section of the course is for free or very little ($15). The
    book for this is called 'Creativism' and contains everything one needs to
    know about Avatar and to decide if to continue with the course. After
    the second section ('Satisfaction or money back'... how's that for
    western!) contains a technique for creating.
    After this one can start creating the money for the rest of the course
    and whatever else...
    
    This is a poem out of the book that I really like:
     
                                    Love
                     is an expression of the willingness
                              to create space
                   in which something is allowed to change    
    
    love, 
    paul

    Thank you Paul... sounds very interesting.
    
    mary

    
    Since I last wrote in this note I've completed the Avatar Trainer's
    course.
    There I met a family of wonder-full people, helping with the
    re-integration of consciousness.  I met an american woman who works for
    Tandem...inspite of the rivalry ;^), we became good friends.
    The Avatar course is becoming very
    popular in France, which is where most of the people in the August
    course were from, and is offered in 26 countries in 8 languages.
    I will be delivering the course in the States starting January.
    If anyone would like to borrow the book "Creativism", the first section of
    the course, I have a copy of the new version (with lots of neat color
    pictures in it!) Otherwise you can get it for $12.95 from 
    
    Star's Edge International
    900 Markham Woods Road
    Longwood, Florida 32779
    
    If anyone has questions, comments, anything, about Avatar, write here
    or off-line (NSDC::SCHILLING) if you wish.
    
    
                                    "The 
                                   mission
                  of Avatar in the world is to catalize the 
                        integration of belief systems"
    
    
    In Love, 
    Paul

    re: Paul (.19)
    
          I commented on what you said a couple of months ago with
    a statement about it sounding okay, and congratulations on doing
    something you like and that feels good to you.
          When I see words like "mission", I must tell you that shields
    go up, however.  Immediately there is a sense that someone is
    trying to change me and change the world, or that some type of
    religious fervor is about to descend.  Since ultimately all beliefs
    are fault and since I believe that each of us has our own personal
    belief(s) to develop, explore and ultimately let go of, I find
    that your ending quote would render AVATAR scary for me and it would
    be something that I would almost automatically be wary or leery of.
    Each of us needs our own beliefs, the only criteria being that the
    belief(s) must be helpful, must actually produce positive results,
    until such time as we can develop new beliefs which can be yet
    more helpful and more productive, etc.  If you have any intention
    of convincing someone like me that AVATAR is useful, then I suggest
    you let go of the implicit control stated in that quotation.
         Thanks for your consideration,
    
    Frederick
    

    AVATAR?
    
    I first heard of this cfoncept back in the early seventies when I was
    learning about a supposedly secret group called "Eckankar" whic was
    lead by a person called Paul Twitchell at the time.  Paul was the one
    that decided to introduce the concepts of ECKANKAR to the public. 
    Anyway, I forget the particulars about it but the AVATAR ws supposed to
    be the embodiment of all that is.  This incarnate  (such as the
    Hindu Vishnu) Was supposed to be at the top of the heirachy and gave
    overall order to the universe.  This avatar supposedly only incarnated
    only when something major, or important to the world was about to take
    place.  That's about all I remember about this, since it was nearly
    twenty years go that I learned about this "secret" organizaton.  
    
    	The idea of Avatar had nothing to do with a "mission," idealogy,
    goal as it seems to be represented in this note.  I think it is just an
    attempt to repackage an ancient idea in a form that might bring more
    financial gain to it. There is nothing wrong with financial gain as
    long as it isn't an end unto itself and I can't be the judge of that. 
    But the same information is packaged already in many different ways for many
    different  cognitive types of people at a much less expensive rate of
    merchandising.
    
    Fred, You are right about using the knowledge to see if it works, but
    if something continually fails, When does one unattach themselves from
    the belief that a certain idea should work?  Ouspensky talks about
    belief being a lazy person's way out. When a person wants to accomplish
    something (internal changes) the must KNOW that the idea will work.
    He (and I) maintain that changing from one belief to another is
    avoiding the real work of knowing an idea will induce internal changes
    within ourselves. From another point of view, we become attached to the
    need to "believe" and therefore are not able to get past the point of
    "believing" and get to work on "knowing." 
    
    	
    We desire to acquire and hold onto our beliefs. There must come a time 
    when we must lose our attachment to even our beliefs, because even this 
    very subtle attachment prevents us from doing the real work (of NOT DOING)
    
    	The ordinary man studies the way of acquiring.
    	The Master studies the way of losing. 
    
                                              Ernie
        Cryptic? It was meant to be.

    re: .20
    
    Frederick,
    
    Thank you for your criticism, if I may call it that.
    It's nice if people like Avatar (I like it a lot), but for me a very
    valuable thing is also to hear comments like yours, that open up for me
    another side of what I myself take in often without criticism.  You
    know, when I'm  really 'into' something, I tend to idealize it.  That
    is not what Avatar intends, because it suggests you practice
    self-honesty as best as you can, even in considering the value of the
    Avatar materials themselves.  I don't think the word 'mission' implies
    changing the world, but to give beings the power to change themselves, 
    through self-honesty.  As each being, by choice, integrates it's belief 
    systems and says good bye to self sabotaging beliefs and long standing 
    fears, this causes also a shift in mass consciousness. It's going on 
    anyway, Avatar just helps catalize and accelerate it...to give you an
    idea of what the meaning of the sentence could be. 
    I tend not to agree with the wording of the text sometimes because some
    of it sounds rather 'boasting', but I can understand it too...they've
    hit upon something pretty big in their research. 
    I'm not on a mission...I'm here to have a good time and learn as much as I
     much as I can and learn to communicate...what I'm learning here is:
    "I'm really itching to talk about Avatar--but HOW? Maybe I should just
    shut up and be happy with what I've learned-but..." :(  :|  :)
    
    
    Thank you
    Paul                          

    re .21  
    
    >	The ordinary man studies the way of acquiring.
    >	The Master studies the way of losing. 
    >
    >                                          Ernie
    >    Cryptic? It was meant to be.
    It's also beautiful!  That's Avatar in two lines...
    
    aquiring - creating beliefs
    losing   - discreating beliefs
    
    I couldn't have said it better in many words!  That's the essence of
    it.
    The "knowing" comes from experiencing rather than thinking or
    believing.  But why not go both ways?  Be an ordinary man *and* a
    master?
    
    Paul_thankful_for_these_thoughts
              

    Paul,
    
    	May I suggest that you talk, not about AVATAR, but about your
    knowledge, what you know, and have used from your learning.  That is
    more valuable to us than any "methods" that AVATAR might use. Tell use
    what works for you, not what MIGHT work for us.  This, to me is much
    more interesting. The knowledge that AVATAR sold to you is not new. How
    they repackaged it is most likely a variation on a theme that has been
    revealed at some earlier time or other. By telling us what you have
    learned AND PUT TO EFFECTIVE USE, you will pique my interest about
    AVATAR more than any "selling job" you could do.
    
    I applaud your desire to do self-work.  May I suggest that this might
    only be the starting point and the self work that yet needs to be done, 
    might get a lot harder.
    
    Take CAre,
    Ernie
    

    Paul,
    You entered your reply while I was typing out mine. on my last entry, I
    used poetic license on a an idea that was discussed in one of P. D.
    Ouspenskty's texts.  This same idea is presented by a Choyga Trungpa,
    who wrote "The Myth Of Freedom,"Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism,
    and others, Actually, Jesus Taught his disciples this.  This is what
    Don Juan was trying to Teach CArlos Castenada, and on and on.
    
    Now, if you able to put that idea to use, you will want for nothing and
    I'm sure you understand what I'm saying.   Although I guess I'm a
    little surprised that you might be able to take that concept beyond the
    intellectual and put it to effective use. I've only come to be able to
    get past the Euclidian "illogic" of my statement and put it to use within 
    the last 5 years or so.  And I have spent virtually a life time on self
    work.
    
     Be aware,
    Ernie
    
    
    

    
    Re.the last few
    
    I'm interested in _anything_ Paul has to say about AVATAR.
    
    Paul, please continue unedited.  The last two notes do not speak for
    all readers here.
    
    Of course we idealize whatever we're into at the time.  A few names
    like Lazaris, ACIM, Scott Peck and lots of other things come to mind.
    So we explore them and eventually through this exploration (which
    includes talking with others) leads to dialogue and points of
    divergence between other 'schools of thought', for lack of a better
    term.  Then we learn and continue on our path, hopefully enriched as
    we go along.
    
    Cindy

    Paul,
    
    I agree with Cindy.  I've enjoyed what you have to say about AVATAR,
    because I believe that you are speaking from your experience when
    you talk about it.  You haven't in anyway idolized AVATAR, in fact
    you've been very open about interest in other sources (for example,
    Lazaris) at the same time.  Kudos to you cause you seem to me to
    have gone past intellectualizing into bringing your consciousness into
    the heart chakra.
    
    Namasthe my friend,
    
    Ro
    
    
    
    

    Actually, Paul, I'm more interested in knowing YOU than knowing
    about AVATAR.
    
    In my previous note, i was going to suggest that you have acquired much
    "Fifth Chackra Awareness" because of some of the ideas you revealed to
    me.  But I don't really like the idea of intellectualizing awareness into 
    catagories of chakras and also because I wasn't sure you would
    understand what I was talking about. (Sorry Ro) 
                                                     
    Ernie

         I don't mind learning about something (as long as it sounds
    interesting and don't have to bend myself out of shape to 
    understand it, etc.) which of course could include this.  
         I think that what you wrote in that earlier note was 
    fine...it spoke of your experience of it.  My criticism was
    not directed at any individual, unless it is the individual
    who wrote the anonymous quotation.  IF I were to promote
    something, I wouldn't use a quote like that one, that's all,
    at least not on someone who has more than casual awareness.
    
         By all means, keep on expressing yourself, if you so desire,
    Paul.  
    
    Frederick
    

    Oh Yes,  The third reason I hesitate to categorize someone's awareness into
    chakras is because no one can know another's level of awareness. 
    Trying to would be a judgement call on my part and judgements end up
    invariable being wrong; precisely because ones awareness is
    continuously changing.
    
    Ernie
    

    Thought I'd write a little poem. I do feel the desire to express myself
    but I find the more words I use the more they get in the way.  I do
    want to write about my personal experience of the course, since that
    was the motivation for creating this note.  Avatar is a very personal
    experience and each person takes and assimilates it differently, just as
    each person is a different expression of the One. 
    
    
    Walking, sitting, feeling life
    It's essence is so sweet even when judgement and dark thought say no
    Feeling the essence and knowing it is ME, endless possibility
      The heart is the gateway
        There is nothing outside
          Watching this last idea float away, turning gaze towards nothing
            Being and knowing
              
               I am alive
    
    
    Paul

    I just thought of another one:
    
    Feeling good :) and feeling bad :(
    Are two different colored blankets
    I wrap myself in them 
    And feel the rapture of Life
    In its multitude of colors
    
    The wonder of creation:  I am the creator.

    Paul,
    	Yes, very well said.
    
    
    Thank you,
    Ernie

    Late Friday night I caught the tail end of two avatar Masters being
    interviewed on 27 West (WHLL).  What little I had heard, seemed to be
    about practical applications.  Did anyone catch the show?
    
    Ernie
    

...and yesterday I got a postcard from a friend in Boston saying that two
Avatar Masters were interviewed on a very popular radio talkshow, Thusday
Sept. 25. 
Did anybody listen to it?
I would also be interested in anything else that other people have heard
about Avatar.  It is getting more and more popular and I feel it is making
a difference in the world, since its conception in 1987.

Love to all,
Paul