Conference hydra::dejavu

    Frederick,
    
    Speaking of channels.  A friend of mine started a course last night
    and didn't realize until she got there it was given by a channeled
    entity.  What surprised me was the the entity was Emmanuel who has
    been channeled for several years by someone else (forget the name)
    and is well-known.  I had read the book Emmanuel because it had
    a forward and input by Ram Dass (whose books I enjoy).  I liked
    a lot of what Emmanuel had to say.
    
    My friend said this local woman who now channels has met with
    the orginal channeler and that they are on very good terms.  My
    friend also said that Emmanuel was aware of Lazaris.  She is
    mailing me some literature to look over.  I find this confusing.
    
    What are your thoughts?
    
    Roey
    

    re: .1 (Rowey)
    
        I am a little wary of those who claim to channel the same
    being, however, everything is possible.  I suppose it would be 
    best if one could ask the entity if it channels through anyone
    else to find out.  Seth and Lazaris are two that I know of who
    definitely do not channel through anyone else though a couple
    of "spirits" claim to be them.  This is hard to prove with Seth
    but very easy to prove with Lazaris (since Lazaris is still
    with us via the original channeler.)  
        Besides Emmanuel there are others, too, such as St. Germain
    (or St. Germaine) who are supposedly channeled via several 
    individuals.  Again, I don't know how one could easily tell unless
    one spends time studying their information and then comparing it,
    OR by asking the "original" source if they can/do channel through
    others.  Otherwise, we're left to take them at face value, similar
    to those who communicate via Ouija boards.  A big difference, though,
    is that I believe most of the Ouija board characters are not highly
    evolved and therefore are more likely to be dishonest.  Not to say
    that the others aren't, but I guess it's anybody's call.
    
    Frederick
    

    As a point of interest and hopefully clarification, spirits who 
    channel information through vehicles here on earth are open to 
    any and all channels that wish to communicate with them or wish 
    to be open channels for them. 
    
    They have information to give and will give it through as many
    individuals as they can find who are open and suit their vibratory
    level.  Why to you feel that there should be exclusivity?????
    Isn't that very limiting? 
    
    In Light I AM
    Zeffel
    
    
    
    

   re: .4 (Zeffel)
         
        I am not an authority, by any means, so I could take on
    your "argument" as my own, too.  However, there is a small 
    point of contention here.  Zeffel, you say spirits...are open...
    to communicate, well, that's true to a degree.  That is, I would
    say they are open to communicate with your if you are willing
    to communicate with them.  But that may mean communicating
    in their milieu and not necessarily yours; in other words, maybe
    meditatively or from a non-physical perspective.  Clearly, taking
    it in any other way is in error, since there *are* non-physical 
    entities who have said that they don't and won't channel through
    anyone else.  In the case of Lazaris, he has stated that he won't
    because of the incredible elegance that exists on his levels of
    awareness.  In other words, it isn't *necessary* for him to do more
    than is done.  Perhaps entities that have less awareness than he does
    cannot share this point of view. 
         I understand the thought you are attempting to convey, but there
    are other possibilities/probabilities/actualities.  I don't have my
    notes here, so I can't quote directly, but at the last workshop by
    Lazaris that I attended he said something like 'we're not here for
    everyone, we don't work with everyone and we don't intend to work
    with everyone.'  He has stated his position very clearly over and
    over.  This ties in with the common belief that many people hold
    that says that spiritually (from "outside") must be free or it has
    no value.  I disagree.  Spirituality within must be free...that which
    comes from without has whatever cost/price/value you wish to put
    on it, whether that comes from beings who like to swap bodies or
    from beings who speak on many levels of awareness or via some other
    esoteric or mundane means.
         This does not contradict what you say about individuals who are
    open, etc.  What it means is that they are accessible in their milieu.
    Lazaris said he spent many of Jach's (the channeler) incarnations
    nudging him gently into a reality within which he would speak.  Many
    of what would be hundreds of years in "Earth time."  The mechanism
    is sufficiently complex that he does not wish to repeat it (apparently)
    and, again, he says THERE IS NO NEED to.  Obviously he is aware enough
    of his massive impact to abnegate the need for any further communication 
    beyond that of Jach's lifetime.  Those who are "religious" in our
    world should understand, for Jesus and many others have had no further
    "need" to "channel" through any other harmonic vibration, either.
    Is this understandable?
    
    Frederick
          

    Re: Last Few....
    
    It all depends on the vibrational level/spiritual level of both
    the entity and the person.  As a rule of thumb, an entity can
    channel through someone of a lower vibrational level if they choose,
    but an entity cannot channel through someone of higher vibrational
    level (which is why you really should know something of the person
    who is channelling).   Therefore there are entities that are of a low 
    vibration that can be channelled, so it is best not to assume that 
    such-and-such is true just because the information was "channeled".  
    Keep your critical faculties, and insist on some sort of 
    proof-and-evidence, whether is be scientific proof-and-evidence or 
    personal proof-and-evidence.

    Just because an entity is channelled does not mean that the entity
    knows what he/she/it is talking about.  The entity may not be
    that spiritually-developed.
    
    Whether or not a entity can come through more than one person is
    really a personal decision of the entity....but I do not believe
    that it is that common due to the difficulty in finding a person
    that is vibrationally correct for the entity.

    Linda

    re: .5 (Frederick)
    
    I have no wish for debate Frederick, but I do have a few comments
    to what you have said in your note.
    
    >>>But that may mean communicating in their milieu and not yours.
    
    Even those individuals who are recognized as channels, in this new
    enlightened age, communicate with those that channel through
    them both in their own and the other lifestreams milieu regardless 
    of the level of evolvement of the lifestream that channels through;
    even if they are not consciously aware of doing so.
    If these lifestreams have information that they wish to communicate
    to those in physical embodiment they will communicate in "your"
    milieu.
    
    
    >>>>> Clearly, taking it necessarily in any other way is in error,
    since there *are* non-physical entities who have said they don't and
    won't channel through anyone else.
    
    It is fair to say that all the lifestreams that are doing channeling
    with individuals on this planet are currently in a non-physical form.
    It is their perrogative to choose to be exclusive in their channelling
    with a particular individual, but that is not always the case and
    need not be viewed as such.  There are innumerable lifestreams at
    innumberable evolutionary lelvels that are trying to communicate inform-
    ation of value to individuals here constantly. Whether or not they
    find suitable channels depends on whether those that can channel or
    wish to channel are of compatible vibration and are LISTENING.
    
    
    >>>>Perhaps entities that have less awareness than he does cannot share
    this point of view.
    
    I realize that you are very involved with Lazaris for which I have no
    reason to criticize you. However, did you ever entertain the thought
    that those lifestreams that do not share this view could be of a
    greater awareness and evolution than Lazaris....or even one of his
    peers? I would suggest that is a good thought to entertain. At least
    a noteworthy one.
    
   >>>>>we're not here for everyone, we don't work with everyone and we
    don't intend to work with everyone.
    
    Well, if you are here or communicating here (Planet Earth) your 
    communication is available to almost everyone at one time or another.
    Whether or not they choose to listen is another matter.
    
    It is not possible to work with everyone as everyone is not at the same
    place evolutionary wise and vibratory wise ....also it is not necessary
    or desirable for everyone to be working on the same things or no 
    progress of any kind would be made and there would be no diversity
    to be experienced in creation.
    
    >>>>> Obviously he is aware enough of his massive impact
    
    Lazaris is most assuredly aware of his impact and many, many other
    things. He does not work in the limited framework that most individuals
    here are currently obliged to work in.
    
    
    >>>> Those who are 'religious' in our world should understand, for
    Jesus and many others have had no further "need" to "channel" through
    any other harmonic vibration.
    
    First it is not kind to assume that those who are not 'religious' in
    the context of your meaning would have no understanding of your 
    statement.  Secondly Jesus and many, many ascended masters have
    channeled information over many decades of your time through several
    different channels and continue to do so.
    
    I salute the Light in you Frederick.
    
    Zeffel

    re: .6 (Zeffel)
    
         I did not mean that last bit as an unkindness, Zeffel, only
    in using it to show that it is not a difficult thought/concept/idea
    since it has been around for so long.
    
         Yes, I definitely considered whether or not others may be
    "more evolved" than Lazaris (which I believe is what you are trying
    to say.)  I believe that no one on this plane consciously is...
    or ever has been or ever will be.  We all exist simultaneously on
    all levels but, as Lazaris has pointed out, we are not aware of it
    (whereas he ["they"] is.)  Since he has been extremely "faithful"
    and honest, I have virtually no reason to doubt him when he says
    that he is way beyond our levels of existence and that no one from
    his levels ever has or ever will ever again communicate with this
    plane...again, the reason is elegance.  Though he has stated that
    there are many more consciousnesses on his levels than on ours, when
    one "knows" something, they all do; therefore, there is no need for
    "anyone else" to be "redundant" in communicating with us.  Again,
    I have no reason to not believe him, but I am certainly not about
    to offer proof that what he says is true.  So, call it faith or
    whatever, that's where I stand.
    
          Incidentally, to get back more to this topic, I learned a little
    bit more about Ophelia this weekend (although I didn't talk to Liz,
    my girlfriend spent a couple of nights at her home in L.A. as they
    both attended a Lazaris 2-day together.)  That is that apparently 
    Ophelia also "works" (some would say "studies") with Lazaris and
    "specializes" in working with individual's child and adolescent within.
    Dana (my girlfriend) said that she spoke with several people at the
    workshop who have also worked with Ophelia who said she was "right
    on."  Dana and I are both going to be setting up appointments for
    ourselves.  As I learn more of relevant value here, I will pass it on.
    
    Frederick
    

    RE:  .0
    
    Pardon what may be an obvious question, but I just want to make
    sure of what kind of a 'session' one could expect to have with Ophelia?
    I've had several psychic readings, where the psychic was able to
    tell me things about my past which were true (to create credibility,
    as the psychic would have no way of knowing the information
    previously), and to 'predict' future events, which have proven to
    be true...but more than that to educate me about myself and people
    in general and to show ways that I could improve myself.  What I'm
    wondering is if a session with a channeled entity would be of a
    similar nature, or something completely different? 
    
    Secondly, I believe I know the types of information usually imparted
    during these readings (that is, working towards global harmony),
    and wonder if I am correct in this belief (even though the information
    given may be specific to the individual, the overall message I have
    gained has been to ' find the path to true happiness').  Any thoughts
    on this?
    
    Nancy Bowers
    

    re: .7 (Nancy)
      
         Good questions!  Yesterday Dana (my SO-type) talked with 
    OPhelia.  I didn't get to talk with her much or long about it
    and she wants to process it more before she does, anyway, so
    I didn't learn too much.  Also yesterday I scheduled myself
    for an appointment next week.  So I will have direct information
    after that time.  I also found out that at least one other person
    who reads DEJAVU has already talked with her...I don't know who it
    is but they would surely have their own input here.  So maybe more
    answers would be in store for you/us.
         Ophelia is a spirit who lived in Lemuria and shared a lifetime
    (at least one as far as I know) with Liz.  According to Lazaris
    (in talking to Liz) they will be spending a great deal of "time"
    together even beyond this lifetime, but that they will be connected
    throughout this one, too.  Dana said that Ophelia very beautifully
    connected her with her child and adolescent within in the most real
    way she has ever experienced them before.  It should be emphasized that
    Ophelia is not a psychic.  I asked Dana if she felt that Ophelia 
    "knows everything" (as Lazaris seems to know everything) and she said
    it wasn't clear at the beginning of the hour but towards the end she
    got more of a sense that she did.  A friend of Dana's talked with 
    Ophelia on Monday and said that for him it was like talking to Lazaris.
    Dana didn't think she was anything like Lazaris but that the
    information is definitely along the same vein.  
        As for stating that all channeled entities are working towards
    world peace, I would not agree.  I would rather suggest that they are
    helping (those that are) individuals find their own inner peace...from
    which the reality around will fall a reflection of that.  We talked
    about this in a couple of other notes, but I do not believe that all
    channeled entities are alike.  To paraphrase someone, everyone can play
    the piano, not everyone can be a Horowitz.  They may all look alike,
    but it's the content, not the form, that is important to look at.
        Incidentally, Liz mentioned that she is cutting back on readings
    and consultations because she simply doesn't have time at present.
    She has two other lucrative jobs and wants to play those out.  She did
    indicated that perhaps some day she would do this full-time, but not
    at this time.
        ...more to come.
    
    
    Frederick
    

    RE:  .9
    
    Thanks, Frederick...I'll be looking forward to hearing about your
    experience next week.  As far as the 'world peace' point, you said
    what I meant to say much better than I did.  I also realize that
    whatever the individual does with the information affects the outcome
    as well.
    
    What I find interesting about Dana's comments is that spirits seem
    to 'know everything' but once reincarnated, seem to 'forget' the
    'everything' that is known in the spirit realm, and resume the struggle
    to reach peace and understanding within oneself.  I wonder if spirits
    like Ophelia always stay in the spirit realm once they have begun
    to speak through people, or if they come back to Earth again?
    I hope I've gotten the point across...sometimes when I'm talking
    about these things it is difficult to make the meaning clear.
    
    I was just thinking...because Ophelia is from Lemuria, does that
    mean that she would incarnate there or here??  Excuse me if that
    is a silly question, but the bigger question is are all spirits
    human, or are human spirits and alien spirits one and the same?
    Are all spirits the same, but able to take different life forms?
    
    The psychic readings I mentioned in .7 were given by two different
    women...when I met with each of them for the first time, I asked
    for 'proof' that they were really psychic...I asked that they not
    take offense, but that I was so new to the idea that I needed some
    'validation'...both were happy to oblige. (Both mentioned experiences
    from my childhood which were specific to me that they could not
    have known - not 'generic' statements like 'you went to school at
    age six' or some such thing). Frederick, will you do
    this as well, or are you comfortable enough not to need to?  (Since
    then, I am a believer!).
    
    When is your appointment?  I can hardly wait to hear how it goes!
    
    Nancy

    RE:  .10
    
    Ooops!  That last one refers to .8!
    
    Nancy
    

    re: .11 (Nancy)
    
          Well, I think you misunderstood a little bit.  Lemuria (talked
    about in some other notes in here somewhere) was a TIME/SPACE that
    existed here on Earth prior to the time of Atlantis.  It's inhabitants
    (in the Pacific rim area) were sufficiently evolved to no longer
    require or benefit from physical form.  As a consequence, they "pulled
    stakes", as it were, and "took the land mass with them" (meaning the
    reality of Lemuria in physicality was no longer held by beliefs, etc.)
    Most chose not to reincarnate again.  A few (all this according to
    Lazaris, by the way) chose to come back for a few more "lessons" (Liz
    is one of these) and a few more have made themselves available but
    not via physicality (Ophelia, e.g.)  So, if I read your reply
    correctly, this is not exactly a "space being" in the UFO sense, but
    rather a former human (like Ramtha or Seth.)  For me, being aware that
    Lemurians were able to teleport, etc. due to their handled negative
    egos, they would have more impact on me than someone, say, like
    Ghengis Khan that would come back (not too highly evolved.)  I would
    prefer to spend my time with more evolved beings than with lesser
    evolved beings at this time.
        As for my conversation next week, I probably have less excitement
    over it than you seem to...I have had about 7 private consultations
    with Lazaris, and to me that's as high as it gets...speaking with
    Ophelia may prove to be highly useful, however, since I know I need
    more work in the areas she can help with.  To me she is a great way
    to do "Lazaris' work" without the physical difficulties of getting
    to Lazaris.  Perhaps I will acquire an attachment to Ophelia's help,
    too, and will appreciate her more as a result.  That remains to be
    seen.  As for proof, I will know all the proof I require just by
    talking with her.  Unlike many others, my proof comes by way of wisdom,
    not just hocus-pocus.  Wisdom is understanding put into practice (by
    way of Lazaris' definition) and should therefore reflect an
    understanding of what it is I am dealing with, since I am the one
    seeking help.  I will know soon enough whether or not Ophelia has
    this kind of understanding.  Based on the few contacts I have had,
    it seems to be the case.  Lazaris definitely has this understanding,
    by the way.  As to what I "report" in here, I will determine that
    at the time.  I will no longer write out a detailed report on
    everything I can think of, for that would be coming from a position
    of negative ego and in many cases could be counter-productive.  Those
    who are true seekers will look for themselves or will garner the
    necessary bits of information from whatever I could say appropriately.
    Many times it would be possible to act as a barrier rather than as
    a bridge to information based on what is said.  Moreover, I suspect
    that virtually all of the information will be personal and I won't wish
    to share it, but as I said, I'll wait and see.  I will say something
    about it, though.
    
    Frederick
    

    RE:  .10
    
    >What I find interesting about Dana's comments is that spirits seem
    >to 'know everything' but once reincarnated, seem to 'forget' the
    >'everything' that is known in the spirit realm, and resume the struggle
    >to reach peace and understanding within oneself.  I wonder if spirits
    >like Ophelia always stay in the spirit realm once they have begun
    >to speak through people, or if they come back to Earth again?
    >I hope I've gotten the point across...sometimes when I'm talking
    >about these things it is difficult to make the meaning clear.
    
    "Spirits" are not omniscient.  The only "spirits" that even come
    close to being omniscient are beings who have "ascended" (i.e. have
    broken the life-death cycle and do not have to re-incarnate).  From
    what I have heard about Ophelia from this conference and from other
    sources, my opinion is that she is just an entity that is currently 
    residing in a different plane of existence (astral plane), awaiting
    a time to re-incarnate.  I do not think that she has ascended. 
    As I have said before, just because one is dead does not mean one
    knows everything.  It all depends on what level of development the
    being is at.  "Spirits" who do benevolent work with people on this
    physical plane usually do so in order to work off karma/create darma.
    And if they abuse this work, they will create karma for themselves.

    >I was just thinking...because Ophelia is from Lemuria, does that
    >mean that she would incarnate there or here??  Excuse me if that
    >is a silly question, but the bigger question is are all spirits
    >human, or are human spirits and alien spirits one and the same?
    >Are all spirits the same, but able to take different life forms?
    
    "Spirits" are "Spirits".  The important thing in incarnating is
    the level of development of the being, and what experiences the
    being needs to experience in this lifetime due to the being's
    karma/darma.  Just because you incarnated this lifetime on Earth
    does not necessarily mean that you will continue incarnating on 
    Earth.

    Linda
    

    
    RE:  .12
    
    From what I have read and experience, Lemuria was a definite physical
    place in which the beings who inhabited there were very advanced, but
    were physical entities.   (Lemurs, primates that are found only
    in Madgascar, were supposedly indigeous to Lemuria before it had
    its cataclysm.)  As with the Atlanteans, their technology far
    exceeded their Spiritual development, and they destroyed their
    civilization. 
    
    If one chooses not to re-incarnate, then one is stuck at that
    particular level of development.  So if the Lemurians have chose
    not to incarnate, then they have not advanced any (or little) from
    the level that they were at during their incarnation in Lemuria.
    Just because they were advanced on some levels does not mean that
    they were advanced at all levels of existence.
    
    Linda

    re: .14 (Linda)
    
        True, just because beings are developed at some levels does
    not mean that they are at all levels.  Which is why sometimes though
    "fully evolved" (evolved enough to not *require* physicality)
    some consciousnesses choose to reincarnate anyway (Peny, the one
    whom Lazaris came to "see", is one such person.)  Again according
    to Lazaris, the Lemurians were not devoid of ego just because they
    were so well SPIRITUALLY evolved.  They still had anger, fear, etc.
    and displays of such.  
         Your sources may be "better than" mine, Linda, I only have
    Lazaris and a few *lesser* sources, but from what I have heard,
    you are mostly incorrect in assessing their level of evolution.
    They did NOT destroy themselves, they evolved beyond physicality.
    They are not "stuck" in some astral plane, they evolved beyond
    the physical planes (Physical, Astral, Causal and Mental.)  So,
    you may have talked with or experienced something that says otherwise,
    but I very much prefer the story I've heard.  Keep in mind that
    there is no time, such being the case, we can come and go within
    physicality as we chose (once not "stuck" within its realms.)
    
    Frederick
    

Saturday a friend and I attended a 'channeling workshop' with 
Emmanuel (mentioned earlier in this topic) that was most interesting. 
We happened to be the only two in the workshop (two others had
canceled).  This turned out to be all for the best because it was
like a private lesson and healing.  The first two hours were spent
meditating and trying to get in touch with our higher selves/guides. 
We broke for lunch at which time I browsed through her vast book
collection and asked her many questions regarding books on her shelves
that I had read and then specific questions about Emmanuel. 

Then after lunch, Emmanuel came through and talked to us.  He began by 
discussing spirits/souls as a metaphor symbolizing a computer 
network (yes, we had told her we worked at DEC); he then gave his
thoughts on a relationship that I was having difficulty with (its 
karmic nature); talked to each of us about our soul's purpose, gave me
advice on what strategy to follow regarding my work with women's
groups (what was interesting was that he talked in depth about recognizing
the strengths of women, which is the subject of a paper I'm working
on...I had not mentioned that!!!).  He talked about my guides and the
trouble they were having trying to get through to me.  He talked about
my blockages and he gave specific advice about what to do to clear
them.  Then he gave me a healing (it was some kind of touch therapy,
stimulating accupressure or some type of points).  He explained my
friend's gifts and how to use them.  He seemed to be on target with
both of us.  He also described the friendship that existed between the
friend and I, what we each got from the relationship, etc.  He was
completely accurate there. 

My friend and I went out for drinks afterwards and spent a couple of hours 
scrutinizing what had happened.  Where we might have let info slip out, 
where he could have guessed, where it was impossible to 'know'.  We 
both felt that he was 'right on' about information he had given.  That
he did seem to be an entity working through her.   Whatever the case,
it was an interesting, productive, well spent four hours. 

Ro

       I had my first talk with Ophelia last evening...and I also talked
    with Liz for a while.  Before I proceed with some of my experience,
    I will give you a description of Ophelia as provided by Liz:
    "Ophelia is an interdimensional consciousness who chooses to focus
    on personal growth and gently facilitates the integration of more
    love and awareness in our lives.  She may dialog with your inner child,
    adolescent or any portion of the personality that may be standing
    in the way of growth."
    
        For me Ophelia was much different than Lazaris, although she shares
    in his gentleness.  She also comes across to me as being "older" than
    Liz.  Liz is strong and earthy, Ophelia is softer and restrained.  The
    voices are very similar but there is a touch of an accent which Liz
    does not have.  The process was slow and methodical, whereas Lazaris
    can be so fast that it's hard to keep up.  Whereas Lazaris might throw
    out tons of information affecting us on different levels, Ophelia
    seems more grounded into this moment.  She also uses the term "we"
    when refering to herself (and Liz told me afterwards that all the
    channeled entities seem to do that...she doesn't know why but
    speculates that they have more awareness of other aspects of
    themselves.)  
        Since I know that I have a weakness in understanding my child
    and adolescent within, I "went for it" and focused on that in talking
    with Ophelia.  I can say that it felt very productive for me.  I
    had strong contact with each of those parts...parts which I have
    hitherto been reluctant to deal with and uncomfortable with, too.
    My experiences with those parts will remain mine, but I can say that
    after dealing with the child, Ophelia and I had a few moments of
    dialog before going on with the adolescent.  During that interval
    I was going to ask her a question and said that I understood her
    last incarnation was in Lemuria...she cut me off to say "We did not
    say that, what we have said is that our last incarnation with LIZ
    was in Lemuria" and then said she'd be happy to answer more questions
    if I wanted but felt that I was avoiding meeting the adolescent...
    she was right, I was.
         I had a couple of "aha's" after this session with the adolescent.
    In talking with Ophelia after my mediation with the three of us,
    she pointed out some connections between my adolescent within and
    me the grownup.  I clearly saw the connection...which in turn led
    to a connection with the child.  The beauty of it is, though, according
    to her, that if we go into THEIR reality and handle their needs there,
    they will NOT come into OUR reality and disrupt it in the manner in
    which we are so accustomed.  She also spent a bit of time talking
    about my ego (she says that much of the dialog I have in my mind
    which I consider to be "thinking" isn't really thinking at all but is
    rather a "conversation" with my negative ego...a conversation in
    which I never win, in which I always end up with feelings of despair
    or malaise or restlessness.   She is very correct about the second
    part, I am still unable to discern thinking from dialog, but she
    said that is to be expected since I am unexperienced with thinking.)
    and predicting a couple of changes.
        There was more to it than this, but it is completely personal,
    and I do not wish to share more than this at this time.  I will say
    that for those people who are not ready for dealing with these inner
    parts, Ophelia may not help...then again, she might.  I cannot tell
    who is ready for Ophelia and who is not...I *do* believe that all
    of us need to deal with these inner parts, but most of us simply won't.
    This is "nitty-gritty" work, not information gathering, etc.  Moreover,
    Liz herself is available for consultation, too.  She indicated that
    several people spend an hour with her processing, then an hour with
    Ophelia.  What's more, she said she feels good about it because these
    are "heavyweights", i.e., these people are for the most parts
    therapists who think enough of Liz and Ophelia to be able to utilize
    them in this capacity.
         Are you ready for Ophelia?  If you are just fooling around, I
    say take the $50 and buy food or something...if you really want to
    know and understand the inner parts of yourself and have not yet
    found an effective way to do it or would like to verify or augment
    that work, this may very well be of great service or value to you.
    As Ophelia said to me, 5 minutes each day spent with each inner
    part (child and adolescent) will not only allow them to be completely
    real but will keep them out of our reality totally, in the destructive
    manner in which they can and do operate.  
         I will be speaking to Ophelia again and probably again after 
    that...
    
    Frederick
    

         I met several people this past weekend who have dialoged with
    Ophelia and every single one of them acknowledged her for the benefit
    they have given them.
         To understand the impact of the inner components, one need only
    look around.  But, unfortunately, most of us cannot interpret what
    we see.  Lazaris Intensives are simply incredible, on many levels
    and from many different perspectives, but as pertains to Ophelia
    he is incredible because during the intensives he works "one-on-one"
    with approximately 30 people throughout the four days and almost to
    a person he will uncover an inner component that is causing a 
    disruption in their lives, usually but not always the disruption
    that they seek public advice on.  As an example from yesterday,
    there was a French man there who told Lazaris that he had difficulty
    with the previous night's meditation (he said he failed to select
    one thing he wanted out of three potential things and thus didn't
    continue) and also added that he has been traveling around the world
    for 9 years and couldn't decide on where to live.  Somewhere in here he
    also mentioned having money (he had traveled from France to attend the
    workshop.)  Within five minutes of lots of laughter (from Lazaris saying
    "live in Peru", etc.) Lazaris was telling him that his game was to
    fail.  While the man insisted he didn't, Lazaris said that it was
    absolutely true, he really wanted to fail.  Moreover, his "game" is
    to sucker people into thinking he has wealth (apparently he hasn't
    got that much) and that he is incapable of making decisions without
    them.  Then, whenever they make suggestions he will negate them
    ("I've been to Peru, I don't want to live there."  Lazaris-"How
    about Peru, Indiana, been there?"  howls of laughter.)  This way
    he can engage people and build up his own value (by negating their
    suggestions.)  Lazaris amplified on all of this, of course, and
    there was a great deal more than I can write here, but the gist of
    it is that he told the man that where all this indecision stems from
    is from childhood, when he had a tremendous amount of anger at his
    parents for not valuing him.  Now, since he has no sense of his own
    value (and has to use the hook of money and neediness) he is basically
    saying "YOU fix it, I don't want to...and out of my anger I will 
    punish you for YOUR decisions."  UNTIL he goes into meditation (the
    only real way to deal with the child's rage) and has the child within
    express his rage, he will not let go of his current attitudes.
    Again, there was much more than this (how to develop his own esteem,
    value, etc.  How the "price" to pay is never being himself and
    stagnation.)  
         But the reason I showed this is as one of dozens of examples that
    could be showed to indicate what value there is in working with the
    child and adolescent within.  Many of our beliefs come from those
    parts of us and though as adults we see something different than
    that NOW, that part of us is in conflict with the adult because it
    held very dissimilar views or views which are destructive that we
    continue to honor.  
         I hope this helps someone.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    
    hi, i talked to ophelia last night and it felt very beneficial.  she
    helped point out some feelings i'd hidden/stuffed inside, that i feel
    guilty to express (or even have) and more insight into processing and
    releasing those feelings.  i highly recommend her to anyone who is
    serious about spiritual growth.
    
    i asked her if she knew lazaris and she said she did, and recommended
    some of his tapes to work with more.  she asked me questions, but also
    told me things about my childhood, and present life that really fit.
    i was kinda jittery when i placed the call to liz and while waiting
    a couple minutes for ophelia to come through, but very soon after 
    we began conversing i felt very open with her and enjoyed her
    beingness (for lack of a better word) .. the hour passed very 
    quickly and i may in time talk to her again.  
    
    thank you ophelia 
    janice