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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

17.0. "Knowing what you cannot know" by KATADN::BOTTOM () Mon Oct 07 1985 14:25

I have had the experience of knowing things that I could not know any 
way other than some sort of precognition. For example. Last January I 
told my girlfriend that she was pregnant. It turns ou that she was. But 
she had no idea as she was @2 weeks pregnant at the time. Did I juts 
pick up on her pheremone changes or did I actually "know" this via some 
talent that I don't truely understand? This has happened a number of 
times with different things, some of them may just be the luck of the 
draw, but some of them are definately not easily explainable.

dave bottom
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17.1PEN::KALLISMon Oct 07 1985 15:089
If she already was pregnant, it probably would fall outside the area of
precognition.  Yes, it might have been a pheromone change, or even some-
thing more subtle.  Also, it might have been some form of ESP such as
life detection or a form of dowsing.

You'd have to give more details on the happenings "a number of times
with different things."

Steve Kallis, Jr.
17.2SNICKR::FIELDMon Oct 07 1985 15:5210
	Hey Dave if you get any premonitions about what the "Megabucks" number
will be this wednesday please pass the word.  

	I have beeen trying to figure out the validity of precognition versus
forcing something to happen because you think it.  Precognition may be a form
of psionics in that your thoughts become reality.  This would imply your 
recognition of the pregnancy wasn't precognition but instead a sensativity to
change.

							Jorge'
17.3DR::BLINNMon Oct 07 1985 22:527
And, of course, depending on how long she had been your girlfriend, and  
how close the two of you are, you might have had good reason to suspect 
she was pregnant. :^)

Oops, sorry, I thought I was in SEXETERA..

Tom
17.4KATADN::BOTTOMTue Oct 08 1985 10:2213
Another example of "knowing" is occasionally I will wake up and know 
that today I will wind the pool. I have won the pool and not "known"
but I have never "known" I would win and then did not. (I wish this was 
a litle more reliable I'd win lots :-)

Sometimes I have "know" when a relative is sick even though they might 
live far away. This is especially true of my Father. When he gets sick
2 times out of 5 I know and call them before they call me.

Lasly I've always known that I would be wealthy someday. Still 
waiting....  :-)

dave
17.5PEN::KALLISTue Oct 08 1985 17:4710
Re .4:

The second point, knowing whether a relative is ill, clearly ties into
knowing when a girlfriend is pregnant.  Again, these seem like telepathy,
life-detection, or modified dowsing rather than precognition (unless you
knew a relative was going to be sick before he or she was).

The pool business might be precognition. however.

Steve Kallis, Jr.
17.6OEDPUS::PHILPOTTMon Oct 21 1985 15:0912
 Knowing when somebody is pregnant,  or  ill,  or  when  two  people  you  see 
 together  happen  to  be  in  love  is not "precognition" since the event has 
 already happened. It is a form of perception however that may be the basis of 
 much  of medieval stories of witchcraft, since the person who is pregnant, or 
 ill,  or  in  love,  may  be  unaware  of  that  fact.  When the seer makes a 
 "prediction", which is in reality  only  a  statement  of  what  to  them  is 
 obvious, their reputation is enhanced.

 This degree of empathy is I suspect, not particularly rare, though frequently 
 undeveloped.
 
 /. Ian .\   
17.7SQUEKE::MICHAUDThu Dec 12 1985 14:5012
i believe in "knowing what you cannot know"
get this.... this remains very clear in my mind... i am 24.
In 5th grade... i had a math test coming up in Mr. Palmer (not athletic at
all!!) class.  I NEVER studied for a test... and i didn't make all A's either.
therefore, the nite before....i DID NOT study... but instead i dreamt. i
dreamt of certain math problems and in my dream i figured them out....
NEXT DAY... THEY WERE THE SAME MATH PROBLEMS!!!!!  ooohhhhhhh... really..
they were... i couldn't believe... i shrugged it off to a dejavu... but
when i got my test back... EVERY ONE WAS RIGHT!!
i don't know to this day... similar things have happened.. that one was
very prominent...
toni
17.8VAXUUM::DYERTue Dec 31 1985 20:557
	    Once I was sleeping and woke up.  A strange and irrational
	fear had come over me; I thought that Cheryl's heart had stop-
	ped.  I crawled over and put my ear against her chest, and heard
	her heartbeat.  This also woke her up.
	    She told me she was having a nightmare, that she was dream-
	ing that her heart had stopped!
			<_Jym_>
17.9PEN::KALLISThu Jan 02 1986 17:296
That sounds suspiciously like a telepathic linkage at the subconscious
level.  Or _possibly_ you were in a semiwaking or light-sleep state and
she talked in her sleep, saying, "My heart's stopped!"  There's no easy
way to tell, at this point.

Steve Kallis, Jr.
17.10YOGI::NYLANDERFri Jan 17 1986 15:085
What words does one use to represent the phenomena (sp?) of knowing
who is calling on the phone before you pick up the receiver?

Alison

17.11PEN::KALLISFri Jan 17 1986 19:036
Re .10:

It could be "precognition."  Or it could actually be a subconscious
telepathic link.  Needs more data.

Steve Kallis, Jr.
17.12More on early pregnancy detectionMILRAT::SUTTONJohn SuttonTue Feb 04 1986 18:5412
  Along the lines of knowing somebody's pregnant..
  
  Christmas eve of 1984, my wife and I were attending a midnight
  service at my hometown church.  In the middle of the service,
  I felt an incredible rush of energy -- it's difficult to explain
  the sensation.  I _knew_ my wife was pregnant.
  
  She gave birth to our daughter on September 23 of 1985.
  
  Could her body chemistry have changed _that_ quickly???
  
  - John Sutton
17.13Only a coincidence? In this file?2119::DYERBoycott Coors!Tue Feb 04 1986 09:053
			Hey!  That's the day my Mom got pregnant!
			Hey!  That's my birthday!
				<_Jym_>
17.14Good VibesPEN::KALLISWed Feb 19 1986 19:299
    re .12:
    
    Hmm.  Two thoughts: could it have been the moment of conception?
    Or, it might have something to do with the service itself -- what
    was going on just when you felt that "rush of energy"?  It could
    be that you subsequently had a _real_ "blessed event."
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
17.15MILRAT::SUTTONJohn SuttonThu Feb 20 1986 15:5116
    
    re .14:
    
    It very well may have been the moment of conception, but it's
    difficult to say.  As to the service, I don't recall that much
    was going on at the time.  In fact, I think I may have been
    daydreaming when that eerie sensation overcame me.
    
    re .13:
    
    Farm out!
    
    There's no such thing as "pure" coincidence...
    
    
    - John
17.16Heavens to Betsy...NEXUS::DEVINS256K WOMFri Aug 08 1986 23:1110
    
       One hopes the child wasn't conceived in church!
      
       (And now tell me her name really IS Betsy and really blow my
    mind!)
    
       Seriously, the "sudden rush of consciousness" when you suddenly
    KNOW something you never even thought about before is a fairly common
    occurrence, and probably gave rise to the "Universal Mind" theory.
    I think we've all had it at one time or another, possibly often.
17.17all things can be knownDYO780::ROARKFri Sep 05 1986 22:1317
    For a year I roomed with a guy who could read minds, know what someone
    was doing wherever they were and more.  He was a disciple of Yogi
    Amrit Desai, and by disciple I mean he practiced discipline.
    He practiced formal yoga a minimum of 3 hours a day, for about 6
    months 6 to eight hours a day.  He said that he coul know w these
    things because he knew himself- that we are like books with the same 
    essential chapters but different experiences filling them. Since he knew his
    chapters it was easy to know someone else's.  He never did this
    intentionally. Sometimes thoughts or feelings were strong and weren't
    easily ignored. One memorable instance occurred one morning. I was
    sleeping late. Alan was in his room meditating. I had a dream that
    I was walking down a mall corridor with a woman toward Alan and
    his fiancee.  As we met I started to introduce the woman to them,
    then I woke up. About ten minutes later Alan knocked on my door
    and asked when was I going to bring her home to meet him.
    
    --Tim
17.18Remote Pregnancy detectionMIST::IVERSONMon Feb 09 1987 01:3118
    RE: Early pregnancy detection
    
    Its one thing to know if your mate is pregnant, but I had an experience
    of knowing when my sister was pregnant before she knew, and I was
    on the other side of the country from her and had only seen her
    on rare visits for several previous years.
    
    In the middle of the night and not connected to any dream, a voice
    popped into my head and matter-of-factly said "Rachel is Pregnant".
    I mentioned it to my wife the next day and put it out of my mind
    until Rachel called a while later and said she just found out she
    had been pregnant for ...coincidently  the same length of time since
    my "message".
    
    The voice didn't come back for her other kids, but it was our standing
    inside joke for quite awhile.
    
    Thom
17.19How did I know???BSS::VANFLEETFri Aug 12 1988 22:1315
    Maybe this would fall into the category of precognition.
    Over a year before my daughter was born I had a dream
    where I some unseen voice said, "This is your daughter,
    Emily."  In front of me was a beautiful blonde, blue-
    eyed girl of about sixteen wearing a white dress.  When
    I woke up I thought that couldn't possibly happen because
    both my husband and I have dark brown hair and green eyes.
    
    Sure enough almost two years later, Emily was born with
    blonde hair and the bluest eyes I've ever seen.  When I
    was pregnant I had an ultra-sound done and the Doctor
    asked me if I wanted to know if it was a boy or a girl.
    I told him no, I already knew.
    
    Nanci
17.20Pretty much so.PBSVAX::COOPERTopher CooperMon Aug 15 1988 15:4212
RE: .19 (Nanci)
    
    It *certainly* qualifies as "apparent precognition" and generally
    that's as definite as anyone can expect to be able to say even if
    it were actually precognition.  The situation would have to be
    quite unusual to be able to rule out coincidence or other
    non-paranormal sources of information completely; that is why we
    do laboratory experiments.
    
    Thanks for sharing.
    
    					Topher
17.21IMO: a good omenCPRS::AHARONIANthis one's in TechnicolorMon Aug 15 1988 15:4711
    
    RE:-.1
    
    	Just curious.....were you going to name the baby Emily anyway
    (if it was going to be a girl) or did you name it as the result 
    of your dream?

    
    	GCA/
    
    
17.22ASIC::HURLEYMon Aug 15 1988 17:0714
    I have a terrific knack of knowing something is going to happen
    but I usually don't know what it is.  Last winter all day in work
    I had the worse feeling in the world. It was such a feeling of dread
    and I could not get rid of it.  I knew something was wrong.  I went
    home that evening and my dog Beau was missing.  I called the
    communications center to see if they found him.  He had been hit
    by a car and was at the vets and in very bad shape. I almost lost
    him.  (He's back to his old self these days).
    
    I guess I wish I knew what was about to happen so maybe I could
    prepare my self for the worse.
    
    Denise
    
17.23EmilyBSS::VANFLEETMon Aug 15 1988 17:3319
    RE: 17.21
    
         I hadn't picked names for a baby when I had the dream
    because I wasn't pregnant.  My husband and I didn't intend
    to have children for a long time so it just wasn't something
    I'd thought about.
    
         When I found out I was pregnant (over a year after having
    the dream), I just _knew_ that this baby was the Emily I'd
    dreamt about.  I may have been influenced by the dream to name
    her Emily but the way I look at it, she named herself.  Also,
    I did decide on the name before she was born.  Her physical
    characteristics are the same as I saw in the dream.  
    
    (BTW, my husband insisted on picking a boy's name as well,
    just in case.  I told him it wasn't necessary but we did
    anyway.)
    
    Nanci
17.24Beatrice & her motorbikeDRCS::ABEYAI'll fix you a program in no time !Tue Aug 16 1988 08:5641
    When we were teenagers, my sister made following experience:
    
    She was about 15 when she started an apprenticeship in town
    (we lived "in the country" - about 10 miles out of Geneva).
    The first year or so she used to go to work by bus, but
    connections were wery akward.  So after a while she had
    saved enough to buy a small motor bike (the kind limited
    to 20 mph - they probably don't exist in the U.S.).
                                                       
    So, off she goes to work with her brand new bike.  She
    parks the bike on the pavement, in front of the office.
    (she could not see it from her window), locking it
    carefully with the built-in lock.
    
    During work, she thinks of how nice it's to have this
    bike, and the freedom it provides her, the tour she
    will be able to make over the week end, etc...
    
    In the afternoon, she thought:  I hope nobody will
    steal my bike - well this can't happen, I locked
    it carefully....  BUT WHAT IF SOMEBODY DID PUT A
    SECOND LOCK ON MY BIKE ??
    She put that thought away, as totally crazy - she
    never heard of such a practice before, and could'nt
    figure out why somebody would do that.
    
    Sure enough, when she came out of work, and went
    to her bike, she found an thick chain around
    the bike with a solid lock !  She was lucky to find
    a locksmith to cut the chain almost immediately.
    
    That was about 20 years ago.  Meanwhile, I found out
    that this was probably the beginning of a "smart"
    technique where somebody whoud chain your bike,
    hoping that you wouldn't be able to find help and
    have to leave the bike overnight.  Then the robbers
    could quietly come back during the night, remove
    their lock and brake your lock without being disburbed !
    
    Ines ABEYA @GEO
                                                   
17.25exTWEED::C_JALBERTTue Aug 16 1988 23:0523
    Reading about "Emily", brings to my mind a dream I have had several
    times...  The first time was the most unsettling.  My dream was
    my husband and myself were looking at new homes.  The broker and
    I were talking and she asked me when my children's birthdate's were.
    I started with my oldest, my son... who was not with me in the dream,
    then my two girls, and then, I went to tell her the birthdate of
    of baby on my lap, I became embarassed and said "I don't know when
    he was born"  It was really a strange feeling!  No matter how much
    I tried to remember his birthdate I could not... I couldn't even
    remember being pregnant with this child.  When I awoke, I realized
    I don't have a baby, just three children.
    
    I have had the dream a couple times since, and have realized, the
    child is not mine, but very close to me... I keep thinking it
    could be a "grandchild"... however, my son is only 21, not married
    and I don't think the father of any present children.
    
    Do you think it could be?  I have a vivid picture of this child,
    and felt tremendous love for him, I just don't know when he
    was born!
    
    Carla
    
17.26Running out of time ...CYCLPS::BAHNThe 1st 2000 lifetimes are toughest!Wed Aug 17 1988 03:3724
    I've been out of touch with DEJAVU since December, but the 
    following experience was so weird that I decided that it's time 
    to reconnect ...

    Last week and most of the week before, I found myself in one 
    communications mix-up after another.  (Yes, I know that Saturn 
    and Uranus are both retrograde and conjoined in Sagittarius.)

    Last Friday, I realized that I was confused about "what time
    it is."  I was about two weeks ahead of myself ... that
    morning, I was acting as if it were the week of the 22nd. 

    Now that I understand this, I've slowed down a bit ... sort of 
    waiting until I catch up with myself.  (If none of this makes any
    sense to you, read it in a week or two and let me know what you
    think.) 

    I've remembered things that happened in the future all my life,
    but this is the first time I've experienced such a seriou time 
    slip.  Have any of the rest of you had any similar "knowing what 
    you cannot know" experiences.

    Terry

17.27Something newUSAT05::KASPERLife is like a beanstalk, isn't it...Wed Aug 17 1988 03:4812
re: .25 

	Some schools of thought would interpret the infant as something
	being born (or just born) within yourself.  Something new.  The
	fact that the child is unfamiliar to you may indicate that you
	have not become consciously aware of it yet.  If so, I suspect
	the dream will continue to replay until you do.  

	Any new feelings or attitude changes lately???

	Terry
	
17.28GENRAL::REAVESWed Aug 17 1988 19:5727
    
    re:25
    
    	Or - I'm sure you would have thought of this - but you've never
    had an abortion or miscarriage, have you?  That would be most obvious.
    
    Then again, your presumption about a grandchild could be correct!
    My mother attended the birth of my son and we lived in the same
    household for about 8 months from the time Jordan was 8 months old
    to 16 months.  My mother has become very, very close to Jordan,
    and vice-versa.  (He is now 20 months old.)  Once I asked my mother
    if she loved one of her own four children or Jordan more (what a
    silly question, but I mean't it honestly, because I felt that she
    was displaying more love towards Jordan than I could as his mother
    - I was always tired from work, school, etc., and I wanted
    to know if she had felt the same way I did as a mother, with lots of
    love but not enough time to show it) and in a second, my mother
    said she definately loved Jordan more!  Not because of what I
    mentioned, but because she knew the value of a human life more now
    that she was older and able to understand life better!  I wasn't
    hurt at all by her answer, in fact I was sort of glad.  So, the
    baby in your dream may very well be a grandchild that someday you
    will dearly love!
    
    Cathy
    
17.29could be!WMOIS::C_JALBERTWed Aug 17 1988 23:2334
    Thanks to both Terry and Cathy for your responses -
    
    As for changes in attitudes  -- I think they are still the same,
    perhaps more defined -- by this I mean I did go through a particularly
    difficult time about a year and a half ago, real difficult (workwise)
    but with the help of some great support friends (and reading this
    file) I put things in perspective... 1 terrible work experience
    out of 12 years with the company??... Out of this, I was able to
    become stronger, plus my present position is wonderful... people,
    work, etc.. could be, but
    
    When Cathy mentioned miscarriage, I did have one back in 78!!
    
    But why so many years before I have some reaction...  I have thought
    it was God's plan... I had wanted three children, after I had the
    miscarriage, we tried and tried but to no avail, then in late 79
    I decided that I didn't want to be in my forties and getting 
    pregnant so we made a decision to only have two children...
    
    On the day I was scheduled for my tubal ligation, the mother
    of my present adopted child was being buried.  It was a year
    later that we took this child into our home, had I gotten
    pregnant again, this probably would not have happened.
    
    What intrigues me is how much this child looks like my son,
    although it could be that I am reacting to getting older...
    
    and now that he is 21 I am subconciously thinking back to when
    he was a baby???
    
    Thanks again for your responses,
    
    Carla
    
17.30Grandchild?SA1794::CLAYRThu Aug 18 1988 17:3410
    
    re: .25
    
         Carla, of course I could be totally wrong but I *feel* that
    you do have a grandchild who probably looks exactly like the one
    you saw in the dream. It's even possible that your son does not
    know about it! Let us know if this turns out to be true...
    
    
    Roy
17.31I'm too young to be a grammaWMOIS::C_JALBERTThu Aug 18 1988 23:2617
    Roy,
    
    Say it isn't so!!!! When you say "feel", do you often find you
    are "right" in your feelings?  
    
    Yes, you could be 100% right, however, I would hope that if my
    son knew, he would have a sense of responsibility... I think I
    instilled that in him...I hope!  He also knows he can talk to
    me.  On the other hand, ???  I guess "I" wouldn't be ready for
    that... being called "Gramma", I don't feel like a gramma!!
    
    Hopefully this is a "futuristic" dream.
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Carla
    
17.32just to clarifySA1794::CLAYRMon Aug 22 1988 14:0815
    
    
         Didn't mean to shake you up Carla! What happened was that when
    I first read your note about that dream, I just got this "rush"
    that I sometimes get which often means that whatever information
    or thoughts accompany it are at or near the mark. So, a lot of the
    time (it's hard to say exactly how much of the time) my hunches
    are right, for no explainable reason. By the way, this is a *skill*
    I'm trying to develop. I think that in regards to your situation,
    I may have been picking-up your own unconscious knowledge that indeed
    you do have a grandchild. This is pretty much the feeling that I
    was getting. Then again I may be *totally* wrong...
    
    
    Roy
17.33Soooooooo Confused!!!!!!SCOMAN::KETRONThu Oct 13 1988 02:0115
    It was so funny to read this note!  For the past few weeks I've
    have been so mixed up about the time also.  Two times at work, I
    work second shift, I would look at the clock at think it read
    12:00 midnight, when actually it was 11:00.  Both times I headed
    for the door, when my boss asked me where I was going so early.
    I would look at her kind of stupid like and say, "no its 12:00".
    To my embarrassment, she would correct me about the time.  We can
    laugh about it now, but I'm so paranoid, I double check the time
    at least three times before I go anywhere!!!!!!
    
                              Kim
    
    
    
    
17.34TIME WARPSCOMAN::KETRONThu Oct 13 1988 02:055
    
    
    note 17.33 was a reply to 17.26  terry
    
    
17.35-< LOOKING FOR ANSWERS>-COMET::THOMASMThu Oct 27 1988 04:5929
    I have this dream over and over.  It is hard to explain, but I will
    give it a try.
    
      This part really happened and I think it was the start of my night-
    mare.  When our family lived on the Air Force Academy, I walked
    to school everyday with my best friend.  On day, while walking to
    school, he walked out into the street without looking and was killed
    by a car.  When this happened I ran out into the street to see if
    he was O.K..  I rolled his body over and I knew that he was dead.
    This all happened when I was nine years old.
    
      I had nightmares about this for years, but one night the night-
    mare changed.  The events of the accident were all the same except
    for one part of the dream, when I rolled the body over, the face
    was different.  It was a face I had seen at school (I was in high
    school by this time).  I tried to put it out of my mind but I 
    couldn't.  About a week after this dream our football team had a
    game in which the guy I had the dream about was killed in.
    
      This has happened three times since then, and it is to the point
    that I want to say something to that person but I know they will
    think I am crazy.  What do you think I should do?  I have no idea.
    I am afraid to dream about that day anymore because I don't know
    if it is going to be someone I know or if it is going to be what
    the original nightmare so I just wake myself up.
    
    Mike
    
    
17.36SOMEONE WHO KNOWSRAVEN1::CHAMBERSFri Apr 28 1989 22:198
    
     What good would it to? What would happen if you were wrong? You
    can cause someone to hurt themselves,or hurt someone else. If it
    was meant to be,it will be.
    
                                   PHYLLIS
    
    
17.37Expected death ??UTROP1::BONKE_VICTORFri Jun 23 1989 08:2432
    
                        (expected death ??)
    
    A very peculiar thing happened to me a couple of days ago, which
    I would like to share with you, and see whether you have any comment
    on it.
    
    Two or three weeks ago, I watched a TV-program presented by a famous
    dutch movie-critic. It is a program about new movies to be released
    soon in the dutch theatres. It`s an interesting and amusing program
    so I watch it often. 
    This time a very strange sensation got hold of me. I felt that the
    presentator was going to die soon, within a couple of weeks or so.
    This same sensation came back another two times during the last two weeks.
    I thought about writing it down on paper, as if to "prove" it, if
    it was going to come true; but I decided not to. Yesterday I heard
    on the radio that indeed he had died that day of a sudden heart-attack.
    There have never been rumours about heart-problems or so, and he
    was "only" 69 years old. When I heard the news I felt very strange.
    
    Question to you all is : do you believe one can "know" something
    like this before it happens and/or does anyone have the same
    experiences.
                                                   
    
    Victor
   
    
    P.S.: Though I can`t remember it that well, I think I have had the
    same experience two times before in my life, with people not in
    any way related or so.
     
17.38It has happen to meCURIE::TZELLASSet Def [Atlantic.City]Mon Jun 26 1989 13:3816
    
    
    
    This happen to me, the last time I saw my father was Christmas time
    1987.  (he worked in Brazil and came home every six weeks).  After
    he went back to Brazil, I told my mother that my father was not
    going to make it through the year.  He wasn't sick or anything. He 
    had a heart attack in Brazil and died in February 1988 (less than two 
    months later).
    
    Just recently, a friends father was walking by me, and I said to 
    myself that he would die of a heart attack.  Two weeks later he
    had a heart attack and died a week later.
    
    Kathi
    
17.39I had one, too.MISERY::WARD_FRGoing HOME--as an AdventurerMon Jun 26 1989 16:4417
        re: .37
    
         Two years ago this month I attended a workshop wherein I sat
    next to the brother of a woman I know (I had met him perhaps a year
    or two earlier at another workshop.)  He looked physically great...
    he had been overweight but looked trim and had lots of color in his
    face, etc.  I don't know why, but I had a "sensation" of him dying
    of AIDS.  He never said a word about any problems.  One year later
    I was talking to a friend of his sister who told me that "Tom" had
    died almost exactly one year earlier (or very near the time I last
    saw him.)  He died of AIDS complications (and his sister, whom I saw
    for the first time in almost two years this weekend, said he died
    with great dignity and elegance.)
       I agree, it is kind of spooky to sense this.
    
    Frederick
    
17.40So is there a baby boy???SUBWAY::FORSYTHLAFALOTTue Sep 11 1990 17:475
    I know this topic is sort of old, (but I just read it for the 1st time)
    so I am wondering if Nanci of .19 is still with DEC and does she have
    a grandchild yet??????  Any info would be interesting!
    
    
17.41Present!BSS::VANFLEETgoin' down for the last time...Thu Sep 13 1990 17:478
    Hi -
    
    Yes, I'm still here, and it was my daughter that I was talking about. 
    She is now six years old, blonde, blue eyed and getting more gorgeous
    and precocious every day.  Her name is Emily Jo.  She came with her
    first name but the second is for my maternal grandmother, Jo Van Fleet.
    
    Nanci
17.42YEA!!!!SUBWAY::FORSYTHLAFALOTThu Sep 20 1990 15:284
    That's GREAT!!!  Congrats, and thanks for answering.  I love it
    when things work out this way!!
    
    
17.43Card games and other animalsPEKING::ORDERADMINThu Nov 29 1990 10:0423
    I frequently seem to experience things that I cannot possibly know.
    Probably the best example is when I'm watching a card game,
    particularly pontoon, brag or poker, and I know what the next card
    turned up will be.
    
    My boyfriend never used to believe me until I accompanied him one day
    on a brag drive ( we were both only observers ). I was watching
    everyone play, and kept saying to my boyfriend "He needs to bet again;
    the next card will be the Queen oF Spades" , or "He should stop, he's
    going to get the nine of hearts which won't do any good." In a whole
    evening, I was only wrong on the turn of one card, and that came up in
    the next trick. I didn't say anything to the players, as I think it's
    wrong to use pre-knowledge for things like this, also they'd blame you
    if you were wrong!
    
    The only other time it happens is when I watch horse racing, and I know
    which horses will be first, second and third, but I am not quite so
    accurate on this ( only about 85% ). I couldn't bet if I wanted to, as
    I never "know" until the race has just started.
    
    Does this happen to anyone else?
    
    -Angel
17.44Significant TalentDWOVAX::STARKDances with BooksThu Nov 29 1990 11:5123
    Hi Angel,
    	Welcome, welcome.  In my opinion, the experiences you are
    describing are suggestive of very significant talent.   
    
    I've never had them myself, but my wife and others have demonstrated
    "knowing what could not be known" beyond any reasonable doubt in my mind.  
    
    I once taught my wife a sophisticated meditative technique, just for fun, 
    and went out to the supermarket.  When I came home, I went back upstairs
    and she described an image that came into her mind of me (I hadn't
    indicated where I was going or what I was getting) doing exactly what I 
    had actually done.  The color of the cans I had bought, everything right 
    down to the last detail.  Wherever that information came from, it was a
    very powerful display of creative imagery.  Your experience is 
    even more interesting, since you are either anticipating something
    that hasn't happened yet, (or influencing it !).  
    
    Angel is a GREAT name for someone with psi talent, but I'm not sure
    about ORDERADMIN :-).
    
    	best wishes,
    
    	Todd
17.45DICKNS::STANLEYWhat a long strange trip it's been...Thu Nov 29 1990 14:093
    It happens to me too Angel.
    
    Mary
17.46Far out......PEKING::ORDERADMINThu Nov 29 1990 15:1113
    Mary - 
    
    Does it happen to you with things like cards, horses etc ?
    
    I'd be really interested to hear about some of your experiences.
    
    re -2 :
    
    Nothing like that has ever happened to me.....it sounds incredible. Are
    your wife and yourself usually strongly telepathic, or was this just an
    isolated incident?
    
    -Angel
17.47Slight dream digressionDWOVAX::STARKDances with BooksThu Nov 29 1990 15:4218
    re: .46, Angel,
    
    	The connection is fairly rare, and usually when one or both of us are 
    very relaxed, sleeping, etc..  We never tried to specifically cultivate it 
    farther, and she rarely meditates anymore, although her dream life is
    incredibly rich.  As an unrelated aside, her dream life is very often 
    bloody violent, although she usually has control and triumphs (lucid 
    dreams), just as she always has in life.   Shades of the Senoi !
    
    The most amazing one to me was the one I described.  
    The most fun one was when we both had the same dream on the same
    night about the baby we were expecting; although we didn't know the
    sex ahead of time, we both got a clear picture of a boy, and all of
    the major features turned out to be accurate.   Not as remarkable as
    the other experience, but we got a kick out of it.  :-)
    
    	warm regards,
    	Todd
17.48DSSDEV::GRIFFINThrow the gnome at itThu Nov 29 1990 15:509
My knowing is mostly related to people: moods, motivation, maybe the jist of
some background, how they are most likely to react in a situation.  Every once
in a while, I have had some conrete knowledge about someone that they have 
never told to anyone before.  I think this happens because of natural empathy
(I have trouble seperating others' emotions from my own once in a while, 
especially if they are extreme emotions).

Beth
17.49HKFINN::STANLEYWhat a long strange trip it's been...Thu Nov 29 1990 16:444
    I don't gamble but ... I just seem to know things,.. I know whats going
    to happen.  
    
    Mary
17.50new to notesCOMET::RISHAVYSun Dec 02 1990 02:3713
    I'm new to notes so if this doesn't come out right I'm sorry.  since
    reading this I too have tried to control the environment which
    surrounds me while dreaming.  I have found that if I am too aware of my
    control I awaken suddenly.  No matter how hard I try I cannot return
    to the same situation.  I am trying to remember them, but unless I
    write them down within an hour I find them hard to remember. My
    question is deos anyone else awaken, if so what helps to get back to
    the dream.  
    
    		P.S. I have found that Vit. B really has improved my
    dreaming.  
    						T.R.
     
17.51Don't think too much about it.DNEAST::BERLINGER_MALIFE IN THE ASTRAL PLANEMon Dec 03 1990 15:2520
    re. .50
    
    
                  T.R.,
                       Something I heard while growing up has certainly 
    proved ture in my life. That is that many things in life are like a
    butterfly; if I chase after it it will flutter just beyond my grasp,
    but when I sit quietly it comes and rests upon my shoulder. In order 
    to return to my dream I would be inclined to relax and allow it to 
    happen. 
    
                 I would like to offer a statement of caution about using
    "B" vitimins to enhanse dreaming. Several notes have been written,in 
    this file,on the subject and may prove interesting,helpful,informative.
    
    
                                  Later,
                                   Mark