Conference hydra::dejavu

    Kitaro is one of my favorites, especially Astral Voyage.

    I like _Shadowfax_ - nice blend of soft horns, a little Jamaican
    rhythm.
      
    _Tangerine Dream_ is more electronic, nice sounds.  
    
    _Steve Kindler_ and _Teja Bell_ have an album called 'Dolphin Smiles'
    which blends electric violins, acoustical guitar and some noises
    from our friends under the sea.
    
    _Hiroshima_ isn't all new-age, but they have some instrumentals
    done with synthesizers and the koto - an oriental string instrument.
    They're 2nd generation Japanese, full of energy and wonderful to
    see live.
    
    _Suzanne Cianni_'s 'Velocity of Love' is wonderful - soothing piano
    and synthesizers create some wonderful tunes for reflection.
    
    
    wishing_I_was_at_home_in_front_of_the_stereo,
    Theresa.

    Mannheim Steamroller - Fresh Aire (I through VI)
    although I like 2, 3, 4 best...
    
    almost anything by:
    
    Andreas Vollenweider
    Liz Story
    
    two albums I like by an artist whose name is on the tip of my tongue
    -Oxygene and Zoolook (Jean someone-or-other)
    
    Also, almost hypnotic and sometimes surprisingly entertaining
    Laurie Anderson's new album (with the song Superman on it)
    
-Jody
    

    re: -.1
      
        That's Maurice Jarre...he does a great deal of stuff for 
    movies, too.
      
        Kitaro is definitely one of my favorites. 
      
        Windham Hill has a great deal of good stuff (notably William
    Ackerman who founded Windham Hill seven or eight years ago.)
    
        If you just want to banter names around, there's Paul Horn,
    Paul Winter, Phil Glass, Constance Demby, etc.
        Another of my favorites is Ray ("Deep Breakfast") Lynch.
      
    Frederick
    

    	I've noticed an increase in new age messages in many
    	artists' music in all different categories of music 
    	that I previously hadn't realized before.
    
    	My boyfriend spent several months in Japan a couple
    	years ago and brought back several Kitaro tapes -- I
    	hadn't heard of Kitaro before then.  Now I listen all
    	the time!!  I also enjoy Vollenweider and saw him in
    	concert a couple years ago.  It was all I could do to
    	keep my eyes open and *not* meditate!
    	

    - As mentioned by someone else, many of the Windham Hill people
    	are good. I like George Winston's "Autumn" and "December".
    	Liz Story is another as is Wim Merten.
                                              
   - Almost anything on the Rising Sun label by Teja Bell,
    	Marcus Allen, Jon Bernoff, Dallas Smith or David Nowlin.
                              
    - On the Narada label there's Michael Jones and David Lanz 
    	who're especially good. Also, Randy Mead, and William Elwood.
                                
    - "Hearstongs" by Hadley Hockensmith
    
    - "The Quiet" - John Michael Talbot
    
    - Jim Chappell
    
    - "Desires of the Heart" - Chris Spheeris

    - anything by Kitaro    

    RE:
    
         The Moody Blues are considered by some to be one of the orginal
    "New Age" Groups.  
    
         I would be interested in knowing if you are considering the
    message , as new age.  Or, are you considering the music which is
    designed to alter states of consciousness.
    
        Bill Reedy, found that the electronic sound was more compadible
    to thenervous system and could therefore assist in entering into
    altered states.
    
        True all music does tend to lead to an altered state.  Some
    are more desieable than others. 
    
        Experiments in Left and right brain recording and playback maybe
    an inteesting area to consider. The reason I suggest these ideas
    are that New Age is as new as it is to you.  New age has been around
    for a very long time.  With the advancement of electronics new avenues
    of expresssion have been made avaiable.
    
       Consider if you will "New Age" music to be compadable with the
    nervous system and for them to play each other. In this, a degree
    of sensitivity, a more finely tuned human instrument is possible.
    
       We have all had songs "run through our heads"  What would happen
    if you could induce a "continuing loop"  from left to right brain       
    by electroinically preselecting a choosen  response.
    
     
    Murray
    
    
       
    of your own choice by                 
     
    

    	U2 definitely merits a mention here...
    
    					Carla
    

    
    re .4
    
    It's Jean Michel Jarre.
    
    Wivine

    Over the last 22 years (my lifespan) the Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson
    Starship, and now Starship and the KBC (Kantner Balin Cassidy) band
    have earned a place in this note, not necessarily for the electronic
    quality of the music, but for their lyrics.  Definitely visionaries
    of the future.
    
    DW

    I like Kitaro, too, and use mostly his music in *my* massage work.
    
    Anne Locke
    
    Ray Lynch
    
    I've ordered a set of CD's by Lamonte [something] called 
    "The Well-tuned Piano" - he play it is what's called "just intonation".
    Very interesting sound.
    
    --DE
    

    Cast one more vote for U2: outstanding New age rock.
    
    Cast another vote for Tangerine Dream, I now have eight of their
    CDs, Their latest stuff (White Eagle, La Parc, Underwater Sunlight)
    are excellent!  Their older stuff are *VERY* long songs, it is common
    to find only one, two or even three songs on a 40 minute album!
    There is an album called "Zeit" that is incredible for meditation.
    
    Almost everyone under Windam Hill deserves a vote.  Shadowfax "Dreams
    of Children" is my favorite.  They do excellent Christmas music
    including:
    
    December: 		George Winston
    A Winter Solstice:  Various artists
    
    (I think others, anyone know?)
    
    Dave
    Who_is_lamenting_the_demise_of_his_office_discman

    I've been to a few science fiction conventions where there is a
    special room (coherent central) where the HeNe and Argon lasers
    are set up and trained on mirrors, diffraction gratings, crystals,
    and create spirograph (lissajous) figures on the ceiling...the
    walls...everywhere.   And of course, the only thing that could enhance
    the experience is Tangerine Dream (mostly Tangram and Ricochet)
    and Jean Michael Jarre (mostly Zoolook)
    
    Most relaxing and invigorating, the combination of music and lasers.
     Often the shows they have in planetariums use popular rock and
    roll with lasers and achieve a different effect - not relaxing or
    introspective at all.
    
    -Jody
     

    	 Brian Eno!!!! He likes to remain in the background, but his
    "Ambient" Series is outstanding 'New Age' music. He has many other
    albums, earlier rock albums, and more recent sound tracks, as well
    as earlier experimental albums such as "Discreet Music" and a couple
    of albums he did with Robert Fripp. Fripp took a tape-looping scheme
    Eno taught him and called it "Frippertronics". Eno is also one of the
    most important producers in music today, producing (and playing with)
    The Talking Heads ('Fear of Music' through 'Remain in Light') and U2
    (Their last two albums, with David Lanois)  
    
    	Also, Klaus Schulze has many albums, available as German imports.
    He was the drummer (believe it or not) for Tangerine Dream on their
    first album, and since has been making his own music. I find it
    somewhat denser and more tasteful than TD, though the sounds and
    technology used are very similar.
    
    	Terry Riley is one of the 'minimalist' pioneers, along with
    Philip Glass and Steve Reich. Riley's most popular piece is "Rainbow
    in Curved Air", and another, perhaps more academic piece called
    "In C". There are many more recent pieces as well. 
    
    	Don't forget ECM, the Jazz label. Terje Rypdal has some wonderfully
    atmospheric albums. Steve Tibbets is also recording on ECM these
    days, but his first two albums he produced himself on Frammis records,
    and they are outstanding, especially the second, called "YR". It
    transcends musical boundaries completely, blending folk, rock, jazz
    and all kinds of cultures into a coherent sound that is just wonderful.
    
    	Now that I think, there are so many more...Oregon, Collin Walcott
    (tragically killed a few years ago in a bus accident in Germany)
    Meredith Monk...I could go on...
    
    	Ed

Yani--  Keys to Imagination and Out of Silence.
    
    I have these two in CD and they are simply Fantastic
    
    Steve

        re: new age music precursors
           
           I have a recording that may qualify as the earliest
           esoteric electronic new age work.
           "7 trumps from the Tarot cards" with "Pinions"
           on the flip side circa 1968 by Ruth White.
           A summary quote from her:
           "The largest common and basic idea I could discover
           was that of tension. This is the force which grows
           out of the pull between opposites, or contrary
           elements. It is the great regulator." 

           This album is interesting for historical perspective
           on the roots of new age music. It can definitely
           put you in an altered state, but makes me glad
           that current artists have explored other realms
           than tension.:-)
           
           A couple of other historically interesting albums
           I have are: 
           "Electronic music vol IV - Winners of the 1st
           international electronic music competition, Dartmouth
           College 1968"
           
           "Electronic music" (1964)
           Compositions by:
           Andres Lewin-Richter
           Ilhan Mimaroglu
           Tzvi Avni
           *Walter Carlos* (Works combining flute and pianos
           with electronic) I assume this is the Carlos of
           switched on Bach fame.
           
           I also agree that Moody Blues are wrapped up in
           the roots of New Age music by showing that the
           above music could be mellowed out. You can contrast
           their pop-blues little known first album with the
           "new age" style that continues through the rest
           of their albums and note that a decisive factor
           seems to be the discovery of the Moog synthesizer.
           
           It is also interesting to note that the Moog
           synthesizer is still Kitaro's favorite *electronic*
           instrument according to a recent interview. I noted
           the use of 15 keyboards at his concert, so he has
           plenty to choose from:-). 
           
           I was certainly impressed by Kitaro in concert,
           and I'm glad that the synthesis of the extremes
           of electronic music history has resulted in Kitaro's
           (and the many other significant contributors to
           new age sound) great range both dynamically and
           emotionally.  Exploring tension for a whole album
           side can get a bit wearing:-) as opposed to Kitaro
           ranging from deeply meditative to what could only
           be described as intensely sensual in one composition.
           I feel it shows some hope that we are still evolving.
           
           Now if only I could afford to keep up with adding
           all this incredible music to my collection;-)
           
           Thom

Where to hear (or hear about) it before you buy it:

American Public Radio Network programs:

Hearts of Space
New Sounds

Can be heard on WEVO (Concord, NH) or any public radio station that subscribes
to the American Public Radio Broadcasting System net.

Also check out the Music conference  (Dregs::Music) or computer music
conference (Quill::commusic).


enjoy

    re: Walter Carlos.
    
    Walter Carlos' music can be found in most stores under "W. Carlos",
    as he is now Wendy Carlos, and has titles under both names.
    
    One of my favorite pieces by him/her is "Pompous Circumstances",
    a whimsical version of Pomp & Circumstance in a dozen different
    styles (off the "By Request" album, the cover shows all the artists
    who he spoofs chasing him)
    
    -Jody
    

    Possibly the earliest identifiable 'new age' piece I can recall
    is Pink Floyd's "Grantchester Meadows" off 1968's "UmmaGumma" album.
    
    karl

    	I agree with Karl that Pink Floyd has some incredible
    	music and lyrics.  The words to "Learning to Fly" are
    	almost eerie they're so advanced...
    
    					Carla
    

    Hi.
         I checked out the Music conference.  It doesn't have a whole lot
    of information about radio stations that play New Age music.
         Does anybody know of a New Age radio source, powerful enough
    to reach Worcester, Ma?  I get Boston stations.  Also, if you do
    know of a source, please give the frequency.
         WROR, around FM 98, plays very melodic jazz, some of which
    is very close to New Age music.  The DJ is Brother John, and it
    happens evenings.  Any help appreciated.
    
                    Mike

    Hi.
         Note 998 in Nova::commusic is about somebody trying to get
    help programming a Roland drum machine.  Note 998 in dregs::music
    is about Chris Isaak.  
                                     Mike

    ooops...   that's note 998 in COOKIE::CD
    
    
    sorry/bruce

    Hi,
    
    I read in Rolling Stone magazine that Tangerine Dream will be 
    performing in Somerville, Mass. on September 6th.  
    
    Does anyone know where they would be having this concert and how
    I can get tickets?  Is there a coliseum or civic center in
    Somerville?  Ticketron doesn't know anything about it and I'd really 
    like to take my girlfriend to this show.
    
    thanks,
    
    Jeff
    

    td will play the Somerville Theater...
    
    call the theater or try ticketron

    Anyone have any suggestions for artist for drum music, specifically
    Indian drums?
    
    Thanks
    Marilyn
    

        Virtually everything I have heard by YANNI is great!  I
    think it merits attention (as an aside, his present "girlfriend"
    happens to be Linda Evans--and she's living close to someone
    she cares for, J.Z.Knight of Ramtha fame.)
    
        There is an album that is hard to get ahold of but is still
    available by Paul Sutin called "Serendipity" that also has some
    very wonderful pieces on it.
    
        Enya (I believe is the first name of this beautiful Irish woman)
    has several albums out, also, and there is some beautiful stuff in
    there among her songs (although I wish some of them were longer.)
    
        
    Frederick
    

re: .30 (Frederick)

   Her second and latest is "Watermark" and it is wonderful.  The lyrics
   are beautiful.  In case you haven't noticed, Lazaris has been using 
   one of her songs (first piece on "Watermark") in his meditations.
   Her first, self-titled CD is just as good.  I really like her work.
   She does the music, plays the instruments.  The lyrics are written by
   another woman.

   Some of the lyrics from "On Your Shore" say to me almost the same things 
   Lazaris talked of in the Alchemist workshop.

   ...

   And so this is where I should be now
   Days and nights falling by,
   days and nights falling by me.

   I know of a dream I should be holding
   days and nights falling by,
   days and nights falling by me.

   Soft blue horizons
   reach far into my childhood days
   As you are rising
   to bring me my forgotten ways.

   ...

   Terry

    re: Terry (.31)
    
        Yes, I was aware...it was Lazaris who drew me to discover Enya
    (by use of her music in his meditations.)  Try out "Serendipity"
    and you will discover 3 or 4 songs he uses.  Also he has used
    Yanni (I use his song on my answering machine--Lazaris uses it
    as "dance" music===the "dance" with ... inner voice.)  Lazaris
    also still uses Kitaro, David Lanz & Paul Speer (Natural States)
    and others.  He has started using new music I have not sourced
    yet, but has just started using music entitled "Lazaris and the
    Dolphins" (which has nothing to do with football...;-) )
    
       
    Frederick
    

    I have enjoyed Enya since I heard her, also Kitaro since it was
    pointed out in this file. In addition to finish an Enya tape I was
    making, I put on the Cocteau Twins "moon and its melodies" I can't
    tell where Enya ends and Cocteau twins begins. Coctuea twins are
    all instrumental, and on thier latest release "Blue nell Knoll"
    these use thier voices, it sounds like a foriegn language, but it's
    just syllables, I call it rosarch music, cause it I seem to think
    i hear the same words each time i hear a certain song.
    
    

                                            
    There is a fantastic CD out by the Cambridge Singers under the
    direction of John Rutter.  The CD has "Ave Maria" as the first song 
    and the cover is bluish (with the word 'Faire' on it if I recall 
    correctly).  It is a collection of all sorts of different works of the
    Renaissance and other periods.
    
    Anyway, the group I sing with (the Nashoba Valley Chorale) is
    performing Ave Maria in our upcoming concert (at St.Francis in
    Fitchburg, Massachusetts on Sunday evening, December 3rd at 7pm). Our
    director is James Bingham and he has studied under Rutter in England.
    He brought in the CD last evening to give us an idea of how it should
    sound and it was so close to some of Enya's works that I thought it
    would be of interest here.  Still not completely sure if we'll do Ave
    Maria as it is difficult and to be sung a capella, but if we do, it
    will be wonderful.
    
    Mary M. - if you thought "Hosanna To The Son Of David" was good, you
    should HEAR 'Ave Maria'!  BTW, 'Hosanna' is on the CD as well - 28
    songs total.
    
    Cindy

       This could be its own note, but since most people in here are
    "back East" anyway, and it's an "iffy" note at that, here it is,
    anonymously buried in DEJAVU:
    
        KITARO will be performing at the Flint Center in Cupertino on
    Fri. April 7 at 8 p.m. and at the Berkeley Community Center in Berkeley
    on Sat. April 8 at 8 p.m.  Tickets are approximately $24-$26.  
    
        I hope to be in attendance.
    
    Frederick
    

    Frederick,
    		For us Easterners, Kitaro will perform in Boston.
    		From the Boston Globe:
    
                 JVC Preesents:  A Special Earth Day Concert
                  The Wang Center For the Performing Arts
    			  Friday, April 20, 1990
    			 	  8:30 PM
    			  Tickets:  $25.50. 22.50
    		     (includes .75 restoration charge)
    
    
    		Box office, all Ticketmaster outlets including 
    		Tower Records, Good Vibrations, Newbury Comics.
    		Call (MA) 617 931-2000, (RI) 401 331-2111, (NH)
    		603 626-5000.  All major credit cards accepted.

    
    re: Kitaro  -
    
    The concert Friday last in Cupertino was FANTASTIC.  I encourage
    all of you who have a chance to attend.  
    
    The first half of the concert is the performance of Kojiki, a
    musical creation of the creation story of the Japanese gods and
    of Japan.  The music is quintessential (sp?),  as is the rest 
    of the production.
    
    The second half is songs from various albums.  Equally riviting.
    
    I had never seen Kitaro perform in person prior to this.  I
    cannot explain in words the energies which were present in the
    concert hall.
    
    contented sigh.......
    
    alison
    

    re: .8 (Alison)
    
         I second that!
    
         So does the d.j. for KKSF (the only other contact I've had
    from outside that night...and I believe he was referring to the
    Berkeley performance.)
    
         The show was two sets, as Alison related...(that took me by
    surprise, since "rock shows" are usually only one set per performer)
    and was replete with beautiful lighting effects and even "stage smoke."
    The decibel level was right up there but non-threateningly so.  A
    couple of pieces were heavily drum oriented and were incredible. 
    Kitaro has seven other musicians playing with him in this World Tour
    1990 group, none of them appear to be the same as toured with him in
    the Light of the Spirit group (I've got a video documentary of that
    one) from 1988.  There are two keyboardists, one drummer, a
    percussionist, a bass player, electric guitar and electric vioinist.
    The hall was sold out (roughly 2,000 seats) and everyone seemed to
    truly enjoy them.  The encore piece was so beautiful it brought tears
    to my eyes (and ears, too, I think.  ;-) )
    
          For those unfamiliar with Kitaro, he is roughly 35 years old, has
    been popular since about 1978, and is the most successful Japanese
    artist (outside of Japan) of all time.  His music is termed new age,
    but is often a delicate blend of rock and Japanese music.  The closest
    rock music to his would be Moody Blues, Pink Floyd or even the
    Electric Light Orchestra, all of which have some overlaps with his.  He 
    is an "original" and has had many imitators in the past 5-10 years,
    however.
          Going to a Kitaro concert probably won't make one enlightened,
    but it sure goes a long way, in my book, towards revealing a bit of
    divinity within humanity.
    
    Frederick
    

        Oh, I almost forgot...
        In the Gyuto Tibetan Monks note, someone mentioned that Kitaro
    had "opened" for them when the performed in N.Y.C. (at Saint John
    the Divine's Cathedral, I think?)
        Well, Kitaro sort of reversed the favor, so to speak.  Before the
    stage curtain went up, one of the chants from the monks was used as
    the opening.
    
    Frederick
    

        I picked up a copy of Mannheim Steamroller's latest (at least
    I think it's their latest...) called "Fresh Aire 7"
    
    Here is the title of the tracks:
      1.  Conjuring the number 7
      2.  Sunday the 7th day
      3.  The 7 colours of the rainbow
      4.  The 7 c's
      5.  The 7 metals of alchemy
      6.  Chakra 1
      7.  Chakra 2
      8.  Chakra 3
      9.  Chakra 4
     10.  Chakra 5
     11.  Chakra 6
     12.  Chakra 7
     13.  The 7 stars of the big dipper
    
    (7 tracks if the 7 chakras are considered as one...)
    
    
    Frederick
    (p.s.  The music is good, but not great  ;-)  )
    

    
    re: .40 (Frederick)
    
    Also, if we're talking about chakras and music:
    
    Check out Todd Rundgren's "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire".
    
    
    Also, John Bradshaw mentioned (during his latest thing on healing
    the inner child) doing some work with his friend Steve Halpern.  
    Something about chakras, etc.  I got the idea I should get some
    of Halpern's music....
    
    guy

    re: .40, the 'Steamroller and Fresh Aire 7 ...
    	I wouldn't even say it was good, for my money.  I was very
    disappointed, compared to many of their earlier efforts.  The
    booklet that came with my CD explaining how they derived aspects
    of the music mathematically from '7' was kind of interesting, but for
    me the music sounded like elevator-music versions of their
    earliest compositions, which are my favorite music for their energy
    and diversity.

    re Chakra music.. French composer Cyrille Verdeaux released seven
    albums, overall titled "The Kundalini Opera", you guessed it, one per
    chakra.  I especially enjoyed Chakra 3, subtitled "Messenger of the
    Son".  released on cassette only thru Fortuna Records.
    
    Great stuff.  He studied classical piano at the Paris Conservatory, so
    he's a 'real' pianist and not a noodler like Stephen Halpern.
    
    karl

    I keep seeing expressions like "i enjoyed or I liked" If you like it
    its probably because its not what you need. If it really disturbs your
    sleep you probably will not enjoy it.
    
    Reliable sources tell me that some of the best music for transformation
    is late Beethoven, particularly His quartets.

    re: .44 (Turner---Kathleen, Ted?...;-) )
    
          Huh??
    
    
    Frederick
    

>                      <<< Note 588.44 by KARHU::TURNER >>>
>                       -< Sleep on through the New Age >-
>
>    I keep seeing expressions like "i enjoyed or I liked" If you like it
>    its probably because its not what you need. 
    
    	Need in order to do what ?   What will the Quartets transform me
    	into ?   I like the stuff in the New Age Music rack at the store,
    	but I think I don't understand this 'New Age' stuff at all !  
    
    	curiously interested,
    
    	Todd

    I think I understand.. If I "like" something, then it's not what I
    really need.. and thus if I don't "like" something, then it must be
    what I need ?
    
    There's a special on hair shirts you might be interested in..
    
    karl

    
    I often enjoy music that brings about a variety of emotions and
    sometimes memories of both good AND bad things.
    
    Perhaps you could clarify?
    
    guy

    No one would objectively state that tobacco, coffee, addictive drugs, etc
     are good for the biological entity, but exposure to these and many other
    things more debatable produces desires to continue using such things.
    What exactly is the organism guarding against? Much music is in the
    same category. On the other hand people enjoy many things that are
    objectively good for you, but not in the same way. For example, apples
    are good for you but you won't become addicted to them. As for the
    Beethoven Quartets, they aren't particularly popular. In fact it is
    very difficult to find recordings of them. So the facts are you
    probably won't care for them. 
    
    If you are already awake or think you are perhaps you will not be
     interested in transformation...... 
    
    
    Niether Ted nor Tina,
    
    john

    re: .49, John,
    
    	Thanks for your metaphor about the alarm clock, it was very 
    	effective in conveying your point.   If I understand you, you are 
    	implying that people use music and other things to soothe themselves 
    	and avoid personal growth.   I agree that has validity in
    	certain contexts.
    	
    	The part I still don't understand is why deliberately inducing
    	a particular type of discomfort (i.e. music I don't enjoy)
    	would help my personal growth.  Would itchy underwear have
    	the same effect, for example ?   Please don't take offense
    	to that, it's just a joke to illustrate where I'm missing the
    	point.
    	
    	Perhaps listening to music you don't enjoy is something that
    	has helped you in a particular way ?  Why not share that 
    	experience as a better metaphor than implying that people
    	are asleep ?
    
    	toddy

    re: last few
    
    If anyone out there wants some music they won't enjoy, my wife has
    a few old "Monkees" albums that we could easily part with.
    
    Joel
    

    re: Monkeys,
    	Ummm, I happen to dig those guys.  Their TV show
    	was one of my all-time favorites, until I found
    	Get Smart. 8^)
    
    	On the other hand, I have a Tiny Tim album that might
    	serve the purpose admirably.
    
    	toddy

    
    Hey Joel - if I'd known, I wouldn't have bought one of their CD's
    recently.  Rats!
    
    (;^)
    
    Cindy

    -< Old time Monkees fan...especially Davy >-
    Yes, somehow, I would have pegged you for a Davy Jones fan, Cindy.
    
    I've always wondered how history would have been different if
    Steven Stills had accepted the job with the Monkees, instead
    of doing whatever else it was he ended up doing. ;-)
    
    	toddy

    Toddy and Cindy,
    
    Well I have to confess, I'm another Davy Jones fan.  Not so much for the
    Monkees, but his career before that.  When I was about 12 I saw him 
    on Broadway, he played the part of the Artful Dodger in Oliver.
    
    Ro
    

    re: last few
    
    Actually, come to think of it, I kind of liked "Circus Boy",
    the show Dolenz was on when he was just a little primate.
    
    How about an old "Ten Years After" album for hair-shirt
    of the year?
    
    Joel
    

    C'mon, people, Davy was predictable.  Those of us who were teenage
    rebels cut out pictures of Mike or Peter and kept them in our wallets!
    ;-)
    
    Nanci

    re: .56,.57,
    	I don't think it's fair dragging Mike Nesmith's name into this New Age 
    Hair Shirt music discussion, he is an actual musician of some sort, I 
    think. ;-)
    
    	Hey Frederick, does the Ten_Years_After song "Going Home" have
    	anything to do with your personal name ?  :-)
    
    	toddy

    re .54 Never mind Steven Stills. I heard a rumour recently. Can't
    substantiate it, that Charles Manson tried out for the Monkees and was
    turned down. Now that really makes one wonder hhhmmmmm?
    
    Phil

    re: .58 (Todd)
    
         ...hard to tell, Toddy-O.  But if it's the last train to
    Clarksville, I'd rather not miss it.   ;-)
    
    Frederick
    

Mike Nesmith might be doing musics today (albeit very weird stuff), but Peter 
Tork was the true musician in the group back then.  He really could play (and 
well) a wide variety of instruments, and was not restricted to Monkees kind of
music, but classical as well.

Beth (another closet Monkees fan).

    re  .50
    
    Actually, there are some valid meditation techniques using minor
       discomforts such as itches....   :-) Maybe I'll dig some info out
    and enter elsewhere. The Monkees are far enough afield..
    
    john

    To grossly simplify a complex and subtle matter: organisms generally
    treat stimuli which have *short-term* benefits as rewarding -- pleasant
    or pleasurable -- without regard to *long-term* benefit or costs.  One
    can quite easily find examples where the short-term rewards are more
    than offset by long-term costs, but I see no basis to further
    generalize that to a statement that *anything* with short-term benefits
    must be costly in the long-term: even in the limited domain of
    spiritual development.  The success of evolution -- which sees only
    relatively short-term advantage -- indicates that more often than not
    what is of short-term advantage is also of long-term.  The advantage of
    intelligence is spotting and avoiding the very important exceptions.

					Topher

    re: .62, John,
    	Thanks for your response.  The part I am missing is that 
    I don't understand the assumed connection between meditation,
    discomfort, and long term benefits, other than the fairly obvious
    benefits of learning pain tolerance.  I think *I* would be better helped
    by a personal example than a book reference, even an authoritative 
    one.   Would anyone who follows the discomfort school of growth line
    be willing to share an experience for my benefit ?
    
    	toddy

    re: .64
    
    I don't personally follow this school but can provide a
    (sort of) example.
    
    A friend of mine - he now runs a school for holistic medicine,
    BTW - learned patience by stripping the old varnish from a
    four-story flight of stairs.  It took him about a year,
    on and off, and he basically hated it.  But he says he
    benefited from the experience by learning patience.
    
    Some athletes believe (not necessarily correctly, but who
    knows) the maxim: no pain, no gain.  That there is a 
    pain barrier you must pass through before obtaining the
    deepest benefits from physical exercise.
    
    There is also the pearl formation analogy.
    
    But I am with you in re: discomfort/meditation.  I thought one
    needed a clear head to focus on the technique?
    
    Joel
    

    
    Yes, Topher, I concur.
    
    Why, with the money I spent ordering Monkee's Fan Club stuff, including
    glossies, love beads (remember these! (;^), and other things from
    Tiger Beat Magazine...
    
    ..but if I'd invested in a long-term CD, and I'd probably be rich today.  
    
    Ro - you actually *saw* Davy in Oliver!  Wow!
    
    Cindy

    re: .66, Cindy, Joel, etc.
    	and some people thought that Monkees stuff was a tangent. Hah !
    	The collective divine mind at work in the form of 'The Fool' ;-)
    
    	I subscribe to that pain-growth concept in certain contexts.  
    	I picked up a lot of it in my early martial arts training.  We called 
    	it 'polishing the mirror,' using perseverence through ritual and 
    	uncomfortable practices (like extended kneeling) to help examine 
    	yourself by finding your own limitations and experiencing through them.
    	Some people seemed to me to overdo that aspect, though, and
    	became very 'hard' but lost their sensitivity to the other
    	experiences of the practice.
    
    	Also, there is the statement by William James in _Varieties_...
    	that performing something you don't want to do just for the sake
    	of doing it every day will develop a repository of psychological
    	energy for later use.
    
    	I wonder if the idea of listening to disliked music is related to
    	any of those ideas ?
    
    	toddy

    I've entered some material about the "hair shirt meditation" in note
    1366(about E.J. Gold). Incidently, He is a fairly prolific composer
    also. I have a tape of his called "Way Beyond the Veil", Shaman Ritual.
    It is strange stuff just when your mind thinks it has the patterns
    figure out they change totally. The metaphor accoustical Koan comes to
    mind.
    
    john
    
    

    re: .68,
    	Thanks for entering 1366, John.  It almost sounds more like
    surprise than pure discomfort he is describing in spots.  Interesting
    perspective applied to music.   I think I feel some those things, but
    never really associated them with discomfort before.  Maybe I'm a
    massochist ?  :-)  There's a note called "The Musical 
    Brain" in TERZA::PSYCHOLOGY that covers some issues related to
    similarities in patterns in music and brain activity if anyone is 
    interested.
    
    	toddy

  (Sorry to interrupt the "masochistic music" discussion but I thought this
  would be the most appropriate topic :-)

  Rick Wakeman released three albums on a New Age label - "Country Airs",
  "Sea Airs" and "Night Airs".  They are purely instrumental (piano) and
  I find him very relaxing but have hit a slight snag : I could only get
  "Country Airs" on LP (ie., no CD) and apparently no-one can get "Night
  Airs" in this country at all (ie., in any format).

  Has anyone else seen/heard these albums ? Any ideas as to how I might be
  able to get #1 & #3 on CD in the UK ? I'd appreciate any suggestions as
  it's lovely music for 'unwinding' !

  Frank

    re: .70 (Frank)
    
         I have one of Rick Wakeman's albums...I forget what it's
    called, but it has to do with "Lancelot and all that group."
    Entertaining music, I used to think...
    
    
         And speaking of entertaining music, YANNI is currently
    touring parts of the country (U.S.A.)  I understand that he is
    in Boston tonight.  In any case, he will be at Berkeley on
    June 2 and Marin Community Center on June 4.  Tickets are $22.50
    (plus $7.50!! "handling charge.")  
         I have a ticket...and plan to enjoy it.
    
    Frederick
    

    A recommendation for the book Drumming On The Edge of Magic, by Mickey
    Hart.  A smaller recommendation for the accompnying album/tape/CD,
    On The Edge, also by Mickey Hart.  He writes lots better than he
    produces albums, not that it's bad...
    
    karl

    
    I agree on Hart's book Karl.  I'm reading it right now for a class
    on drumming that I'm taking at Lesley College.  I will never look
    at a drum the same way again.  Another book that is very good is
    called "The Healing Drum" by Yaya Diallo.
    
    Carole

  
  Re .71 (Frederick)
  
  Yes, that would be "The Myths & Legends of King Arthur (etc.)". A friend
  brought back the CD version of that for me when he was in the States
  (along with "Journey to the Centre of the Earth") as you can't get them
  in the shops over here. It is completely different from his Country/Night/Sea
  Airs albums and, although I still like his earlier works, it was CA & NA
  that I was really after - try one if you get the chance :-)
  
  Frank

    re: .71 (myself)
    
         I saw Yanni last night at the Berserkley Community Theater.
    (He will be in Sacramento tonight and at Marin tomorrow.)  The
    show was excellent.  He doesn't have a band, rather he has a bunch
    of musicians on tour with him.  Four are women (2 violins, a cello,
    a keyboardist) and 5 other men (2 drummers--"percussionists", a violin,
    a bass, and another keyboardist.)  They are all superb!  The set
    (including 2 encores) lasted about 2 hours.  Everything came from
    his albums except for a new piece.  Unlike Kitaro (whom we talked
    about at this time last year,) Yanni doesn't mind stretching the
    material a bit to accomodate his musicians (e.g., a playful 
    rendition with a violinist playing a la hillbilly.)  But the music
    was meticulously flawless and sounded wonderful.  I was in tears
    for about 30 minutes...but for me it was due to the connection
    between the music and Lazaris 2-days and Intensives (and for anyone
    who has done those, they'd know what I'm saying.)  As Kitaro has
    his Japanese roots, so Yanni shows some of his Greek roots in his
    music. 
         If you get a chance some time (and Yanni indicated he will be
    visiting Berkeley again soon...he clearly liked it there) don't
    pass it up!
    
    
    Frederick
    

        Andreas Vollenweider will be at the Flint Center in Cupertino,
    Ca. on the night of November 20.
        Tickets went on sale yesterday (I got mine already...:-) )
    and are $18 and $22.
    
    Frederick
    

         Yanni will be in the Bay Area next month.  He is going
    to be in Sacramento (I forget which day) and then in Santa Rosa
    on the 16th, San Jose on the 17th and in Berkeley on the 20th.
    Tickets are $22.50 + service charge.  Performances are at 8 p.m.
         I saw him last year at Berkeley and he was absolutely 
    inspirational!
    
    Frederick
    

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Barefoot                  Barefoot

Bierack, Richie & John Abercrombie    Emerald City

Budd, Harold              The Moon And The Melodies

Budd, Harold              By the Dawn's Early Light

Budd, Harold              The Pavillion of Dreams

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Chi                       Jetstream

Chi                       Pacific Rim

Eno                       Apollo.. Atmospheres % Soundtracks

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John Hassel               City... Works of Fiction

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Laraaji (&Eno)            Day Of Radiance

Mike Oldfield             Tubular Bells

Software                  Chip Meditation

Software                  Ocean

Tapper, Steve & Audie Bridges   Island Dance
    

    I heard a wonderful new age piece by Steve McDonald recently. 
    The music opened with ocean waves coupled with pan flute which
    finally gave away to rolling, blended synth chords.  Simply
    fantastic.  I believe the name of the composition was something
    like "Octurian Sunbird (sp?)" or something like that.  I really
    enjoyed this one and would love to pick it up on CD.  Anyone
    out there familiar with this artist and/or song? Sorry for the 
    lack of info on it.  You know what this sort of music can do
    to you sometimes.
    
    -Kk
    

    
         Is anyone familiar with a program entitled
    "Musical Starstreams"?  It's a 2 hour program full
    of "new concepts in sound."  The host, Forest (who's
    program is based in Sedona, AZ), does a great job
    of picking out some of the freshest sounds in new age
    music.
         The show was first broadcast on Sunday nights
    here in the central Massachusetts region on 96.9 WCDJ.
    But some time ago, this station was overtaken by a
    country/western station thus cancelling this program.
    To my knowledge, the nearest region that can recieve
    Musical Starstreams is out in New York state.
         I really miss this program as no other station here
    in Mass. has picked it up.  Does anyone have any relevant
    info on "Musical Starstreams"?
    
    Kev --
    
    

    I remember that program.  I miss it, too.  Never could understand why
    that station disappeared.  Please let me know if you find the program!
    
    Jesse "Sandman" Sanditch, their old DJ, now has a Sunday morning program
    on the
    Worcester station* from 8:50 to 10:50.  He plays jazz, you may remember,
    and a new age thing or two every now and then.
    
    *Susan*
    
    *96.1 FM

    
    > Please let me know if you find the program.
    
         The cool thing about "Musical Starstreams" was the
    fact that if you liked any (or all!) of their featured
    music, you could easily send Forest $2 for a weekly 
    playlist.  This made it extremely easy to center in on
    those hard to find ambient music labels.  Well, some 
    time ago, I sent away for one of these playlists and
    after I wrote my note a couple back, I searched my house
    up and down hoping that I hung onto it.  As luck would 
    have it, it surfaced.
         On the list, is a phone number.  So the other day
    I decided to give it a call thinking that I'd probably
    get some receptionist/info office on the other end which
    would be decent as that was exactly what I was looking for.
    Who do I end up talking to?  Forest, the host of the program.
    We chatted about "Musical Starstreams" up here in the 
    northeast and I told him that there was a great many number
    of people that really miss the show.  As it turns out, he's
    been trying to get WSRS 99.5 (?) to pick it up but has ran
    into some obstacles in the process.  I guess the program 
    director over there dosen't groove this caliber of music, 
    I don't know.
         At any rate, he asked me about any other stations that
    might budge into picking up his program.  He really wants to
    help us out up here in the Massachusetts area and he says
    that "the show is getting cooler all the time."  I'd love
    to see it's triumphant return.
    
         Any possible station suggestions?
    
    Kev --
    

    Kev -- that is so cool!  I'd definintely contact Jesse Sanditch
    at 96.1 if I were you.
    
    *Susan*

    
    Kev,
    
    Just noticed your p_n, and was reminded of a t-shirt I saw the other
    night:
    
    	"I've fallen, and I can't reach my beer."
    
    Cindy

    
    RE: .84
    
    Thank you for the suggestion, I'll try to get a hold of
    the program director over there.  The old program on WCDJ
    was so perfect.  Sunday nights 10:00-midnight, how could
    you beat that.  It always put an excellent tap on the
    weekends.  I miss it.
    
    RE: .85
    
    I love that t-shirt!!
    
    
    Kev --
    

    Hi,
    
    Another suggestion for a radio station home for the show would be 95.3
    in Greenfield, Ma. I know it's kind of out west, but I live kind of
    close to there and would be glad if they started the show out there.
    This station, WRSI, does already play an hour of "new age" stuff on
    Sunday night from 7 - 8 pm. I wouldn't mind seeing this show move in
    there.
    
    Rick

    90.5 does a Sunday show or did....that would be another place
    to check in Worcester.  It is along their programming lines anyway.

    justme....jacqui

    re: .83
    
    Does MSS offer a tape service where they will send a tape of the
    program for $?
    
    This weekend I was listening to some old tapes of his program that I
    fortunately brought with me when I moved to Oz 2 years ago. Radio and
    TV here is pretty much a "wasteland" - until recently.  I just
    discovered a low power FM station that transmits New Age or "Ambient
    Music" 24 hours per day, no commercials, no talk (except the station ID
    every 30 minutes or so).
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Howard

    
    Re: -1
    
    I think the only tapes that get sent out anywhere
    are those sent directly to the radio stations.
    After the show gets played, the tapes are returned
    to Forest in Sedona, AZ.
    
    This info appears at the bottom of the old playlist
    that I held onto.  
    
    Aside from that, I WISH you could purchase tapes of
    Musical Startsreams.  I'd have a complete libraby of
    his program on hand as his selections are always good.
    
    
    Kev --
    

    
    A bit more on "Musical Starstreams".  You can write
    to Forest, the host, at:
    
               FOREST
               P.O. Box 1989
               Sedona, AZ 86336
               
    Or reach him at:
    
               (602)-204-1989
    
    
    I also have a complete list of all affiliate stations
    that plays this show.  It's a bit lengthy, and my time
    is limited, so I won't post it here.  However, if 
    anyone is interested in the nearest location of one of
    these stations, send me mail and I'll look it up for you.
    
    Also, I have some adresses for sources of hard to find
    new age music for those interested.
    
    Regards,
    Kev --
     

    When it comes to some really great New Age Artists, I'd have to add a
    few of my personal favorites:
    
    1. Itzao Tomita or simply Tomita. He is a Japenese Artist that does
    some great sythesizer stuff when it first started getting popular. Not
    many of his Albums are in CD Version yet regrettably
    
    2. David Lanz. Does a great deal of various things from Piano to Guitar
    
    3. David Arkenstone. Kind of like Adreas Vollenweider(sp)
    
    4. Also Andreas, above
    
    5. Tangerine Dream. "Canyon" or anything they've done in the past
    
    6. Susianne Cianni. Does Celtic things
    
    7. Clannad. Same as 6
    
    8. Enya. Also does Celtic

    .91 Kev --
    
    thanks for posting that info.  I think I'll give Forest a call
    one day just to hear his voice again!!!
    
    :-)  *Susan*

    Last week I discovered a new FM radio station, 99.5, The Oasis.  They
    play "light jazz" and it's really good.  Wonder what took them so long! 
    I'm glad it's here for us.

    Well, I just talked to Forest in Sedona (see 588.91).  The area code
    has been changed to 520.  He said FM 99.1 in Boston is considering
    airing his Musical Starstreams program and asked me to call to vote Yes
    for this, which I have done.  Call Steve Williams at 508-746-1390 and
    place your vote, too, so we can hear Forest's program!  
    
    Forest has a www site:
    http://www.obsolete.com/waveform.  His photo and bio are there.
    Interesting. I also ordered 3 of his Waveform CD's and printed out his
    Musical Starstreams Playlist of 12-3-95; hope I can find some of the
    music locally. Forest also has a internet address: forest@sedona.net
                          

    
    That's great news!  I know for a fact that Forest has been busting
    hump to get his show on here in the Northeast.
    
    Thanks for the info!
    Kev --
    

    Forest in Sedona will be returning to Massachusetts soon on 99.1 FM
    located in Plymouth, Mass, Sunday evenings from 10 until midnight.
    If anyone out there can tape it for me, I'd be grateful.  Plymouth is
    too far away from Nashua to pick up!
    
    

    
    RE: -1
     
    I'll see what I can do.
    
    Kev --
    
    

    
    Don't forget, Musical Starstreams hits the Boston airwaves this
    upcoming Sunday night, 10 pm - 12 am on 99.1 fm.
    
    This is a most righteous program!
    Kev --