Conference hydra::dejavu

    re: .0
    
          So much negativity in the world and then we RUN to it to 
    take on more!  I am having more and more of a hard time these
    days tolerating the negativity.  Those people who predict the 
    end, etc.  Where do they get the information?  And why is it that
    they seem to enjoy exploiting people by using that information?
    Isn't it entirely possible/likely that they validate themselves
    by using scare tactics?
          All that aside, I prefer to listen to the belief that says 
    that all soothsaying, predictions, forecasts, etc. end at around
    this time NOT because it is the end of the world, but rather the
    end of the world according to history.  That is, we are no longer
    being held captive by our past, no longer held imprisoned by the
    history to which most of us seem so dearly to hold onto.  The new
    age, in fact, is what this is all about.  Perhaps not a global new
    age wherein everyone miraculously gets cured of evil and the past,
    but as individual new age, whereby each person comes to his/her
    realization that THEY are in charge of the future and that THEY
    are responsible for it.  This subject was discussed at length
    here in DEJAVU specifically at around the time of the Harmonic
    Convergence.  
        It is important to make a strong note, however.  Note that the
    end of the world IS LIKELY as long as we hold onto the past, history
    and all those things we have done before.  The only realistic manner
    in which to shuck the chains and to welcome a different kind of future,
    the future most have fantasized about, is to dream about new 
    solutions, new ideas, new concepts, thoughts generated not by the
    past but rather by the future.  There will be many who individually
    and even collectively discover the "end of the world."  I believe
    that there will be just as many, if not more, who will choose to
    create or generate a positive future.  It is up to us individually,
    not so much collectively, to make a choice and to work towards it.
    Letting go of the past is the first step.
    
    Frederick
    

    re. .1 axis of rotation:
    
    Huh?  I've never heard anything about the fact that a outside source
    might "verticalize" the earth's axis of rotation.  I was under the
    impression the earth was at a 22.5 degree angle off the vertical
    and that that was normal, and that the earth was also wobbly in
    its axis, similar to a top spinning that starts to lose speed. 
    This (the wobbly earth's axis) I also thought was normal, and that
    it took many thousand years to notice a difference in the parallax
    of the stars -- like Polaris (if my memory of astronomy serves me).
    
    Can anyone concur?
    
    
    /Greg

    Remember that old admonition that today is the begining of the
    last day of your life...no no no today is the end of the begining
    of the last end of your life....no no no today is the end of
    the last begining of the first day of your life.... %-}      ;-)
    
    ...Well anyways it's true! You know the one I mean...
    
    So get out there and tell those end of the world'rs to piss off!
    
    That was there story yesterday and this is now!  
    
    Tell me where this all began and than tell me where all this will end.
    
    Bet you can't!
    
    8-)
    -Arthur
         

    According to the Geology notefile, this year and last have been
    average in their number of earthquakes and of major earthquakes.
    (Some people may have been lulled by 1988, which had a poor crop.)
    
    						Ann B.

    
    Hi Craig,
    
    Remember, out of the ashes rises the Phoenix.
    
    And as Revelations points out, God wins.  (;^)  However it's up to us
    to co-create with God/Goddess/All-That-Is a new bright future.  What is
    to come to pass will indeed happen, but it is we who fill in the
    details - the how's, when's, where's and why's.  And the *Who's*.
    
    Cindy

    
    The predictions by Nostrodamus about the 3rd world war are about a Middle
East ruler who wears a blue turban.  If I remember correctly, this Middle
East ruler will nuke NYC in 1994 time-frame.

    Yes, I'm concerned about the Iraq-Kuwait affair, but I'm not going to
panic yet, unless an Iraqi-leader has been seen wearing a blue turban....

8^)

Linda

    re .4 It began when it started and it will end when it's all over and
    done with. :-) Hopefully later then next week. Actually, I think of the
    Biblical and Nostradamian (Is that a word?) prophecies whenever a new
    bully throws his weight around in the Middle-east. I think we need a
    Pope called Peter again before we take our curtain calls. I'm sure
    someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I just hope that this isn't the
    opposite global reaction to Cindy's Peace string. I'd hate to think
    that we DEJAVUer's are peripherally responsible for a war. You know his
    bad Karma to offset all the good Karma we must be creating by our
    thoughts of peace.
    
    Phil

    
    Well, the evil net just ate up my wonderful reply, so here's the
    reader's digest version.  ;-)
    
    Craig,
    
    I grew up in the shadow of nuclear war.  In 7th grade my history
    teacher took great glee in teaching us that we needn't worry about
    dying of radiation sickness because we would be vaporized by the
    explosion.  I continued to live from that point on with the feeling of
    having nowhere to run.  That the apocalypze was hiding just over the
    horizon.
    
    Then Gorby came into leadership on the USSR.  On the day I head that
    news my terror of annihilation vanished, I suddenly felt safe for the
    first time in many years.  
    
    Next East Berlin opened its borders and the wall came down.  I swear I
    NEVER expected to see that in my lifetime. 
    
    I feel that the new age is at hand, in a positive way.  I know the
    following will sound terribly pompous,  but.....
    Sometimes I feel things on an intuitive level,  and my feelings at this
    time are positive regarding the future of humankind and the earth.
    (Now watch, California will probably break off and fall into the ocean
    tonight.%-} )
    
    alison
    

    Thanks everyone for your replies, although I must admit chuckling
    over alison's reply. Thank you Cindy for your sensitivity.
    
    I am not a proponent of the end. I have a child now. For some
    reason, I am scared that others, who might have the ability, will
    not think of my child.

    Iraq attacks Saudi Arabia
    USA retaliates militarily
    Iraq conquers Saudi Arabia and forces higher oil prices
    The world governments get pissed
    Iraq attacks Jordan
    Israel bombs Bagdhad
    Iraq bombs Jerusalem
    Oil shipments drop dramatically
    Russia talks with USA
    USA and Russia attack Iraq
    Iraq nukes the Naval Fleet in the Persian Gulf
    Israel Nukes Iraq
    Iraq nukes Russia
    Russia and USA nuke Iraq
    All Oil shipments are halted
    Russia invades the Middle East
    USA nukes Russia
    Russia nukes USA
    We all are killed in a white flash of nuclear bombs
    Human life ceases to exist
    Coackroaches multiply and takeover the earth and grow to 8ft.
    
    OR...in the meantime...
    
    
    You decide to get straight and be responsible
    You tell your SO you love them and take them out to dinner
    You start to exercise
    And eat healthy
    And reduce stress
    You become more centered
    You change your beliefs and attitudes about things
    You become more enthused and your aura is charged bright
    Your friendliness heals people around you
    They then care more and heal people around them
    The world becomes more accepting
    The earth starts to grow healthier
    Tensions are reduced
    Harmony and Peace rule
    The stars shine and the heavens expand
    And you go home and get eaten by an 8ft coackroach because
    you forgot to cleanout your refrigerator!
    
    ;-)
    
    Heh...hang in there Dejavu'rs it's wild wonderful crazy beautiful cruel
    and loving world...have no fear everything will be alright!
    
    Love
    -Arthur
    
    
    
    

    
>>    ...Well anyways it's true! You know the one I mean...
    
>>    So get out there and tell those end of the world'rs to piss off!
    

	Arthur, I love it!   You have the nicest humor....

	*peace*

	:').....  Meredith


         

 re: .2 (myself)
    
          I awoke Saturday morning with a profound sense of "getting it."
    This, by the way, in relation to end of the world and the future.
    I finally got the full sense of understanding what Lazaris has talked
    about repeatedly.  Now, 48+ hours later, some of that has escaped me,
    but I will make an effort to briefly capture it here.
          What I said in .1 has value, what some of the others added
    also has value.  What *is* missing is this essential ingredient.
    We *are* doomed to the end of the world (2067 I believe is the
    date Lazaris has used)(and not by sudden death but rather an end by
    just slow strangulation and suffocation) AS LONG AS we
    continue to live our realities based on the past leading to the
    present, as long as history is the basis for our future.  It is
    IMPERATIVE to change the paradigm, to "die to our past," to let
    go of history and to start seeing the world as a result of the
    future, not as a result of the past.  Dreams and visions and
    miracles come out of the future and these are the sources for
    a different reality.  Letting go of painful past emotional 
    experiences and living towards the future adds to the mind set
    necessary to generate a present out of what is to be.  Trying to
    do things as they have always been done is also a way to guarantee
    a negative outcome.  New solutions, new ways of doing things,
    realities that we cannot yet conceive...come from the dreams of
    our living, not from records of our dead.
         As I stated, this came to me as I was awakening on Saturday,
    but it came to me far more solidly and far more profoundly than
    the brief statements I entered here.  It suddenly made major sense
    and the impact of it was intense.  Those who wish to remain locked
    into the past will indeed see humanity spiral downward.  Those
    who free the shackles of that history from themselves and begin
    to look for alternative ways of creating reality (given that the
    past ways have obviously not been very successful) CAN and WILL
    allow for a reality not doomed to repeat itself.  It simply cannot
    occur any other way.  Use the past, get the past; use the future,
    get a different result.  I found the information frightening, and,
    together with other current events in my particular personal
    reality, is one hell of a motivator to change things.  I have
    been sufficiently scared to do something about it and I am, just
    as fast as I can.  Nothing is as scary to me as the thought of
    having a future not only as bad but possibly/probably even worse
    than has ever been, not only globally but individually.  Perhaps
    others don't care or perhaps they can't see this.  That isn't
    my problem.  My problem starts with me.  So, as Arthur says, I
    begin by letting go of my past and start focusing on a future
    that I do want.  Others will undoubtably do likewise.  At some
    point our intersecting energies will synergize to generate a
    reality that all can feel positive about.
    
    Frederick
    
    

    Re.13       
    
    Frederick,
    
    It's just amazing what a little bit of self-understanding will do. 
    (;^)
    
    Anyway, I prefer to work through and understand my past.  It's hard (to
    paraphrase a good friend who also views things the way I do) to create
    a healthy, bountiful gourmet meal in a kitchen that hasn't been cleaned
    in a few decades.  [Oh dear....so that's what was racing around
    downstairs last night - an 8' cockroach...(;^).]  I believe, and speak
    from personal experience, that to understand and work through the past
    will help us all not to repeat it in the future.  Letting go...well,
    that's fine, if it works for you then go for it.  I prefer to
    understand and then it gets resolved and goes away gracefully by it's 
    own self.  If I'm lucky enough to notice it's non-existance, then I buy
    a bottle of champagne and celebrate the passing.
    
    A sense of 'powerfulness' comes from knowing that one has the power to
    create a new future because now you realize why you created the past
    and therefore know that you needn't be a victim any longer.  This is
    where information comes in.  There is a lot you can do.
    
    As I finally realized, it's an ongoing process.  Kind of like
    choosing to clean the coffee maker since that is the source from whence
    the energy comes.  (;^)  If it's an espresso maker, so much the better.
    Then go on to the next thing.  Eventually you will have a clean kitchen
    and one day wake up to know that you won't risk being eaten by an 8'
    cockroach anymore.  Unless you move to Florida.         
    
    Cindy
    
    PS. Phil, it's much too quiet down here...(;^).  I miss our chats.

   Namasthe All!!!!!!   Light has finally dawned on all of you!!

                          Congratulations

                            In Light and Love I AM
  
                                  Altraea

    Thank you, Altrea, for agreeing...
    
    Cindy, I must make this point...releasing the past does not mean
    forgetting it.  It does not mean there are no lessons there.
    What it means is that it is no longer what is used as guidance
    for the future.  It is almost impossible to not let any past be
    an influence, but it must never be allowed to be the motivator.
    Once we decide something is garbage, we toss it aside (or recycle
    it--transmuting its energy.)  Going back and spending time
    investigating the garbage and seeing if there is more there that
    has value is a major waste of valuable time.  (Although right at
    present my personal life has me doing exactly this...:-{  )
    There is a point at which garbage is recognized as garbage and
    is handled appropriately.  Once "released" in this way, effort
    can be spent on new acquisitions, learnings, etc.  
         The point is not to forget the past, but to release the energy
    we hold which keeps us locked to it.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    Re.16
    
    Frederick,
    
    >Going back and spending time
    >investigating the garbage and seeing if there is more there that
    >has value is a major waste of valuable time.  (Although right at
    >present my personal life has me doing exactly this...:-{  )
    
    If you say people shouldn't, then why are you doing it?
    
    Cindy

    re: .17 (Cindy)
    
         Old habits stay put until forgiven and replaced...
    
    Frederick
    

    re: .16, .17, .18
    
    Intersting.
    Sounds a lot like what the Christians say about forgiveness and
    salvation and being born again.
    
    It is refreshing to see that all is not doom and gloom.
    Perhaps each of us in our own little part of the world can make
    a difference and make it work and from there, who knows...
    
    What bothers me when talking about the future in relation to the past
    is this, and I don't mean to be discouraging, but...
    
    We (the world as a whole and the individual in part) have
    never (or only to a degree) followed the advice of the great teachers
    (Plato, Aristotle, Confucius, Jesus Christ, etc...) from the past.
    Why are we likely to begin now?  Why are we more likely to follow,
    say, the New Age Movement, than any of the others?  Because it is the
    best moral teacher?  But that makes it even less likely that we shall
    follow it.  If we cannot take the elementary lessons, is it likely we
    are going to take the most advanced ones?
    
    What I mean is...
    
    If the New Age Movement (or any movement for that matter) only means
    one more bit of good advice, then it is of no importance.  There has
    been no lack of good advice for the last four thousand years.  A bit
    more makes no difference.
    
    Perhaps it is the *individual* who has to make the difference,
    as was pointed out in several previous notes, and not the teaching
    or movement.
    
    -Mark
    
      

    
    Re.19
    
    Mark,
    
    Yes, it all comes down to the individual.  
    
    There are splits within the New Age and within Christianity.  There 
    are people in both who can only speak of Doom and Gloom, and there 
    are people in both who speak of a bright and promising future.       
    
    Depending upon the number of people who are in each of the splits, 
    will determine which kind of a future we will ultimately experience.  
    The choice lies with each of us.
    
    Cindy

    re: .19 and .20
    
         I concur with the individual approach.  There is a twist,
    however, in Cindy's last paragraph.  That is in recognizing that
    reality is subjective, not objective.  That being understood
    means that *wherever* you decide to be IS where the world will
    be.  Not making the "positive" choice may mean creating a
    mediocre or nightmare future.  If one is TRULY self-loving,
    not a victim, not a martyr, not in blame, not holding onto
    shame, not holding onto anger, or fear or hurt or humiliation
    or jealousy, not holding out for payoffs, not hanging onto
    negative scripts, etc., then it is IMPROBABLE/contradictory that
    that individual will be living in a world in which there isn't an 
    abundance of love and harmony.  Both states cannot simultaneously
    exist for that individual.  Therefore that individual will be
    living in a world with a bright future.
         So, yes, it begins inside...
    
    Frederick
    

                Intoxication and Other Near-Death Experiences
                                by Dave Barry

			Publish date - unknown

	Like you, I am frequently haunted by profound questions related
	to man's place in the Scheme of Things.  Here are just a few: 

	Q -- Is there life after death?

	A -- Definitely.  I speak from personal experience here.  On New
	     Year's Eve, 1970, I drank a full pitcher of a drink called "Black
	     Russian", then crawled out on the lawn and died within a matter
	     of minutes, which was fine with me because I had come to realize
	     that if I had lived I would have spent the rest of my life in the
	     grip of the most excruciatingly painful headache.  Thanks to the
	     miracle of modern orange juice, I was brought back to life
	     several days later, but in the interim I was definitely dead.  I
	     guess my main impression of the afterlife is that it isn't so bad
	     as long as you keep the television turned down and don't try to
	     eat any solid foods. 

	Q -- Why were we put here on Earth?

	A -- I would say, just from going through the mail, that we were put 
	     here on Earth to enter the Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes. 

	Q -- Is there life elsewhere in the universe?

	A -- Unquestionably.  It is a known scientific fact that life
	     gets steadily more intelligent the farther you go in any
	     direction from Waco, Texas. This is why the Orient, which is on
	     the opposite side of the Earth from Waco, has historically been
	     the source of philosophy and reliable electronic products.  It is
	     only logical to conclude that beings in other galaxies, some of
	     which are millions of light-years from Waco, would be *very*
	     bright. 
		
	Q -- What is the gender gap?
	
	A -- Let me first give some background for the benefit of you
	     less-sensitive males who have been unable to concern yourselves
	     with women's issues because you have been too busy standing on
	     the street corner and making little kissing noises.  A while
	     back, President Reagan and his aides were flying out to the
	     Western White House to chop wood when they looked out the window
	     and noticed this enormous gender gap covering most of Ohio. They
	     realized immediately that this gap could prevent the President
	     from being re-elected and implementing his policies, assuming he
	     develops some policies.  So they appointed Sandra Day O'Connor,
	     an admitted woman, to the Supreme Court. 
	
	     Then, to improve his image with women even further, he enlisted
	     the help of a woman whose objectivity cannot be questioned:  his
	     daughter, Maureen. Here is what Larry Speakes said in announcing
	     Maureen's new role:  "As the President's daughter, she has strong
	     credibility".  I am not making this up. 
	  
	Q -- What do you do if you're talking with somebody at a party
	     for a half hour, and he remembers your name but you can't
	     remember his name, and another person walks up, and you have to
	     introduce them? 
	
	A -- First of all, remember that these are the 1980's.  People
	     understand that this kind of thing happens all the time, and it's
	     no big deal.  The key is to be as open and low-key as possible. 
	     Simply turn to the person whose name you don't remember and in a
	     natural way fall on the floor and feign a seizure, contriving
	     somehow to hurl your drink into the person's face on your way
	     down.  While the other guests are trying to stick things down
	     your throat to prevent you from swallowing your tongue, somebody
	     will see the person wiping your drink from his eyes, and say,
	     "Are you okay, John?"  and you'll know the person's name is John
	     something. 
	
	Q -- What lies ahead for mankind? 
	
	A -- Despite all the prophecies of gloom and doom, I'm
	     optimistic.  I am particularly heartened by the willingness of a
	     growing number of everyday people on both sides of the Iron
	     Curtain to question the conventional "wisdom" of their military
	     and political leaders and demand an end to the insane policies
	     that for 30 years have kept both sides on the brink of an
	     unthinkable nuclear confrontation.  I believe that within our
	     lifetimes, this popular groundswell will bring us -- slowly but
	     inevitably -- towards the first meaningful reduction in nuclear
	     arms.  Then the Earth will be struck by an enormous comet. 

    
    
    :-)
    
    C.

    Re: .7 and .9
    
    Just wondering if Gorby is the leader from the East with the blue
    "thing" on his head that Nostrodamus talks about. ??

re:             <<< Note 1328.24 by MACNAS::MOGRADY "Mike O'Grady" >>>

Naw, Gorby has a brown "thing" on his head. :-)

		Dave

    Thank you all for replying to my base note. I have read and thought
    about each one. You know, while an interesting question to talk about,
    I guess the real answer is that it really doesn't matter to me.
    
    I mean, it's upp to me to do the absolute best I can do. Regardless
    if the world is to end tonight, tomorrow or 600 hundred years from now.
    It's up to me to love to the fullest of my ability. Now. Not the day
    before the world's going to end.
    
    Someone, in another note, asked me what my connotation of love is.
    Well, I don't rightly know, for it is extremely relative to my
    mindset at the given moment. No, I wouldn't pay your rent, but if
    you needed my shirt, here it is. Does that help?
    
    Thanks again,
    Craig