Conference hydra::dejavu

    NEON
    

    Gee..what's that suppose to mean..that your not interested..

< Note 660.0 by CSCMA::SNOW >
                          -< Your astrological sign >-

    Hi ! I am a Gemini and I love anything that has to do with Astrology.
    Most people tell me that I have two personalities and I strongly
    believe that at times there is someone else inside me..One minute
    I feeling one way and the next minute I am feeling another way..Most
    people tell me that I am a wild and crazy girl..Most people like
    me because they say I am "down to earth" and courteous (not to be
    conceited)..I take a great interest in art....Most people that know
    me tell me I should be an artist instead of a CRR..I am known as
    a sign of intellect...I like anything that has to do with the mind..
    I only get mad if I feel that you are taking advantage of me..I'm
    a flirt..I am attracted to Aquarius men (for what reason I don't
    know)..but I am about to marry a Cancer..only because I couldn't
    put up with the Aquarius anymore...I have a hardtime getting along
    with an Aries (mainly Aries men)..I am very outgoing, sociable,
    emotional, aggresive, motivated..and overall I like people..I like
    things to run smoothly..and unfortunately I tend to run from my
    problems...Are there any other Gemini out there?  If not what sign
    are you?

    type "reply" when you get into this particular note file..and between
    buffers type what you want...then hit ctrl z...then put in you title..
    then hit return twice..

< Note 660.4 by CSCMA::SNOW >
                                 -< your help >-


    type "reply" when you get into this particular note file..and between
    buffers type what you want...then hit ctrl z...then put in you title..
    then hit return twice..

                    <I am so excited!!!!!!!!>

Thank you for being patient with me - I am a Scorpio and bound to
figure something out sooner or later!! Anyways - Snow - Let's get
this file going.  I have known one Gemini in my life - and all that
you described yourself as - is as I remember that person!!  Tell me
more.  

As for me, I am a Scorpio.  Almost exactly to the tee as written in
the books.  Very determined, overly passionate with life itself, very
interested in the "unknown", the dark crevasses of ones mind, very
curious, I like to know all things at all times, impatient, bursting
with energy, only speak in truths..........

Anyways - I don't want to get overly carried away at this time -
What do you know about the signs - and what are you looking for
here?

                         Kim

    	My sun sign is Libra, and according to the descriptions
    	I've read I'm fairly accurate.  ;-)  What also jibes is
    	my numerology chart.  Creative, artistic, sensitive,
    	independent, balanced (well, sort of!)...
    
    						Carla
    

    I am a Pisces.  I think the WHALE type to a degree now that I am
    older.  I am glad that I am a Pisces most of the time but sometimes
    I would like a clearer direction and be more of a Taurus.  It is
    a pain when your fish are swimming in both directions

    Kim...iwant to know if there is a particular sign that you get
    along with or do not get along with..or what is your interpretation
    of a particular sign..for example I find Aries violent, too dominate,
    they wnt to lead the pack, too jealous and possesive...As for an
    Aquarius they are like butterflies..they are not loyal..they are
    cheap (when it comes to money)..they are humorous..As for a Cancer
    they are cold-blooded people at times and then they can be so nice
    somtimes...they like a happy home...they are loyal when they are
    in love..they are very attached to their mothers... they take care
    of business..Kim I have never known a Scorpio..
    

    I am also a Gemini - and I agree with what is written about Gemini's,
    and it's fun to be 2 people in 1!
    
    

    
    
    That's the spirit!  Be true to your sign! ;-)
    
    Carole - a lovable lump-of-earth (aka Taurus)


             

Well, isn't this special!!  Sorry - lost my head.  I just recently 
picked up another book on astrological signs and there significance
in your life.  Now - I do not rule my life by what the books say - 
however, there is a lot to be told in those readings.

The signs of people that I have been close to have been Gemini, Pisces,
Aries, Aquarian, Cancer, Leo, Taurus, Virgo.  What I have come to find
is that my most favorite sign to have as a friend - is a Pisces, my 
most favorite sign to have as a lover - is a Scorpio, and then I find
I truly need Taurus signs around me.  I made a huge mistake in my life
at one time - I decided to ignore what I had heard about a Virgo sign,
and married one.  Worst mistake - I couldn't believe it - everything
the "books" said would drive me crazy did - it took me three years
to realize it wasn't going to work out.  Unfortunetly.  He was my
best friend in the world though.  So what one should pay attention
to is what kind of a relationship you CAN have with each sign.  Pisces
are wonderful - for friends - in my case that is .  Remember there is
going to be exceptions to every rule.  I love Taurus people because
they are so strong, very determined, dark and mysterious.  However,
unduly matched a Scorpio and Taurus can lock heads and be at each
others throats contantly - because both are so stubborn when it comes
to certain things.  Gemini's I find to be just as you have noted.
It is quite peculiar that I have only been close to one in my life.
(as a friend or in a relationship)  I think that you attract to the 
same kinds of signs all your life.  Take a look at your friends - what
are they - your lovers - what are they - what have they been.  I'm
sure you'll find they are pretty much in more one or two signs than
in others.

I will write more later - it is past the bewitching hour........

                     Kim

    

    RE .1
    "NEON"
    I was just clowning around!!!! Actually I was born on the cusp of
    Scorpio/Saggitarius and I find that I fit a bit of both when reading
    about both signs.  I take an extra hard look at the "negative aspects
    and try to correct them e.g "quick-hot tempered" It's getting better;
    now I just sort of "sizzle"!!
    Fran
    

    	To quote William Shakespeare in JULIUS CAESAR, "The fault lies
    not in the stars, but in ourselves."
                          
    	Larry
    

I'm an Aries with Capricorn rising.  I don't know enough about astrology
to know exactly what that means but I get by anyway.

		Dave

    Hi there. I am a Gemini, true and blue. I was born on the day of
    my mother's birthday (easy not to forget it!). And, as much as I
    would like not to admit it, there is a telepathic link between us.
    Not as much of words, but rather global concepts. Like when I got
    married, broke my wrist, had a car accident, etc. Anyway, I am also
    an ACOA. Therefore, because of years of therapy, I do not know or
    have gotten out of touch with being a pure Gemini. I probably have
    the traits of all the signs now. However, I enjoy things to do with
    the mind, I do have more that one personality (this I've always
    accepted), I am gregarious, etc. 
    
    Craig

    re: .16
    
    Craig -
    
    Excuse me, but what is "an ACOA"? Just curious...
    
    Thanks,
     -Amy.
    

From my book - Astrology for the Aquarian Age by Alexandra Mark


                        Gemini:

A very restless, versatile, and quick sign.  Gemini people have a talent
for doing two things at once.  They thrive on change.  They cannot stand 
to be chained to routine.  They love anything that does not commit them 
to a regular time schedule unless there is much flexibility within that 
routine.  They are witty, artistic, and very often musical.  There is 
sometimes an aptitude for drawing, languages, or selling.  They seem to 
thrive on situations which others might classify as "chaotic."  They are 
therefore very good in emergency situations, as they rise to the 
challenge immediately and will have it well in hand before some of the 
other signs have even defined the problem.  They do not particularly 
enjoy deep, sophisticated, or esoteric philosophies; they usually see 
the underlying simplicity.  For this reason they have been accused of 
being superficially clever.  Gemini is ofter manually dexterous, and 
this talent often expresses itself through some musical instrument.  
This sign is the one that enjoys communicating - either by traveling, 
talking as traveling salesmen, railroad workers, writers, broadcasters, 
and announcers, artists, dancers and other performers, typists, 
secretaries, linotype operators, cashiers, pilots, or in any profession 
where versatility, quick thinking and constant change predominate.

            You Gemini's out there ---- what do you think.
            Is this you???????

                                 KIM

.18  KIM

I'm a gemini, I see some of me there.

Jay

    I'm one of those hard to get along with Aries men, with Aquarius
    rising and moon in Pisces. The latter two seem to temper the fire
    a bit.
    
    Here's something to throw into the pot of discussion; I have read
    before a theory of reincarnation, that says *usually* people start
    out in the first incarnation of their spirit as an Aries, and go
    through each sign in the zodiac in order, as many times as is necessary
    for them to accomplish the goals of their soul. 
    
    If this is true I've either been around the wheel before, or I'm
    one of those who is an exception to the rule (the theory allowed
    for that), for I know I have had other lives.
    
    Doug

Okay let's try this one:

                         TAURUS

A security-oriented sign.  It is often called upon to straighten ou the 
confusion created by others, because Taurus ascendant people are 
patient, thorough and plodding and will stay with a task no mater how 
hopeless it may seem to others.  In some there is an element of 
sluggishness because they seem to deliberate endlessly before making a 
decision.  Taurus ascendant people work for the long haul.  They enjoy a 
situation as long as they can continue to build it up and see it grow.  
They move slowly and they need to be in positions that do not threaten 
them with constant change.  They like to know how much money they are 
going to get in advance and are therefore not happy with jobs or careers 
in which their income is subject to much fluctuation - unless it 
fluctuates along a very healthy wage scale!  They are good in positions 
of trust and security.  They can be relied upon to complete a job and 
are generally intensely loyal to anyone or anything to which they have 
made a firm commitment.  They have a very down to earth manner and a 
common sense approach to a problem.  They do not like to have to divide 
up their time.  They prefer to do one thing at a time and to have 
enough time to do it.  These people are attracted to anything that 
"grows" and are therefore often drawn to such field as gardening, 
building, real estate, banking and securities.


                  Ascending Sign        Ruling Planet
                    Aries                   Mars
                    Taurus                  Venus
                    Gemini                  Mercury
                    Cancer                  Moon
                    Leo                     Sun
                    Virgo                   Mercury
                    Libra                   Venus
                    Scorpio                 Pluto (Mars)
                    Sagitarius              Jupiter
                    Capricorn               Saturn
                    Aquarius                Uranus (Saturn)
                    Pisces                  Neptune (Jupiter)


       So, how about the Taurus people out there?  Any familiarities?
Anyone else - What sign shall we look at next?  Anyone interested in
knowing what the ruling planets involve?

                                Kim

< Note 660.20 by GLORY::WETHERINGTON "Philadelphia Freedom" >

>   before a theory of reincarnation, that says *usually* people start
>   out in the first incarnation of their spirit as an Aries, and go
>   through each sign in the zodiac in order, as many times as is necessary
>   for them to accomplish the goals of their soul. 
    
>   for that), for I know I have had other lives.
    
   
  Doug - very curious to know how you know you have had other lives?????
                    
                             KIM

    Kim ..what is my ascending sign?

    by the way Kim ..that desccribes me perfectly...I will have to 
    pick up that book.
    
    Andrea

Gee, thanks Kim.  I know a GEMINI that fits perfectly.

and he's in sales too.

I will have to check out the book.

Meredith E.  always_searching_aquarius

    Kim,
    
    What does your book say about Pisces? And Scorpio? I am a Pisces
    with Scorpio rising and have noticed that many of the characteristics
    which are attributed to Pisces fit me to a tee. And the parts of
    me which are not attributed to Pisces are "classic" Scorpio traits.
    I have also found that I am almost always attracted to Scorpio men.
    
    Thanks,
    -Amy.
    

    
    
    	Cancer sun, scorpio ascendant, virgo moon....all planets lined
        up in a v shape in houses 8 (Genini) thur virgo (moon)....
    
    	Life is never dull!
    
    	    Fun note....
    
    			lora

    re: .17
    
    Amy -
    
    Adult Child of Alcoholics
    
    Your welcome,
    Craig

1.  Andrea - your ascending sign is determined by drawing a chart using
    the time of your birth and find your ascendant sign from the table
    of ascendants.  - (this can be done by an astrologer or by yourself
    if you have the correct tables for the year you were born) You are
    going to need the exact time & date of your birth.

    This in one thing I have not done yet - but it sounds as though 
    readers here have by the way they have described themselves.

2.  Amy - here is your Pisces and Scorpio information - you'll love it.

                             PISCES

The exceptional receptivity of this sign makes Pisceans accessible to 
information a less perceptive person would miss.  They are instinctively 
able to know the right thing to do, and this gives them an awareness 
intuitively before they arrive at the conclusion intellectually.  They 
are true humanitarians, for they are very much aware of the sorrows and 
sufferings of others.  They will often be found at work in hospitals or 
other institutions that care for people's health or welfare.  Extremely 
sympathetic, they have the ability to empathize with others and almost 
to put themselves in the others fellow's shoes; for this reason they can 
be very effective in portraying a dramatic role - or even appealing to 
the crowds through their emotions.  Many Pisceans are attracted to 
parapsychology, for they seem to sense more of the mystery of life than 
do others.  Problems of air pollution and water pollution are of 
paramount interest to many of this sign.  They are also attracted to 
marine biology, sailing, fishing, oil refining, anesthesiology, biology, 
publishing and social service.  Painters and artists are also found 
strongly represented in this sign, for they have an intuitive ability to 
work with colors.


                 How about that Pisceans!!



                          SCORPIO


This sign is associated with an intensity and passion for digging, 
whether this be in the ground or after the facts, such as in research. 
Scorpio people are generally very reserved and secretive.  One is rarely 
allowed fully into their private world - they withhold much of 
themselves until a person has had a chance to merit such consideration.  
There is usually an innate love of the mysterious and/or the macabre.  
They are not particularly easy to be with at times because their sharp, 
penetrating wit has a way of reaching you where it hurts!  There is 
nothing they like more than a debate, for they enjoy tearing the other 
fellow's arguments apart.  This ability to probe deeply leads to such 
fields or professions as surgery, psychiatry, research of all kinds, 
newspaper reporting, and statistics.  Scorpio is also associated with 
such vocations as undertaking, plumbing, pathology, chemistry, 
insurance, sanitation, excavation, and renovation.  In addition, Scorpio 
people are also drawn to the field of birth control and reproduction.


               How about that Scopio's!

Now remember I have only given you a small scope of these signs.  This 
segment was more geared to show you the career direction for these 
signs.

                Time to go - I've been typing my head off today!!!


                       Kim

    Thank you, I am Pisces too... It sounds like me, but not all of
    it. It could be my ascending. How can I find it? or Where?
    
    I was born 3/3/60 at 19:00. Does the place where you were born change
    anything?
    
    Thank you,
    Gerardo

< Note 660.30 

     Your welcome -  my charts only go up until the year 1953 - 
unfortunetly.  No your place of birth does not matter.  Try to get
a hold of a TABLE OF ASCENDANTS to show you the year, day, and time of 
your birth.  It will show you each hour of the day, and where the SUN 
and MOON and other planets were when your were born.  Then you'll want
to research further to see what it means - how it will affect you - or 
possibly how it has affected you, etc....

                  Goodbye for now.........

                           kim

    

    Gee, I'm a Scorpio with Gemini rising.  I too, find that where I
    differ with the Scorpio description, the Gemini fits right in.
    Also, the plurality of SOs in my life have been Geminis or very
    late Taureans.
    
    Elizabeth
    
    - in the middle ages, the question "What sign are you?" was answered
    with the rising sign.
    

    
    
    In order to calculate the rising sign as accurately as possible,
    you do need to use the latitude and longitude of the place where
    you were born, along with the date and time.  Time zones also
    come into play here.  The rising sign is an important and 
    sensitive point in the birth chart.  It is what you present to
    the world first.  Many times when trying to guess someones sun
    sign, people actually are picking up the rising sign (which is
    why many times people guess wrong :-)).
    
    Carole
    

    Reply to .33; Carrol,
    
    I can't resist. If the rising sign is important, why isn't a setting
    sign important?

    And what about cases where no time of birth is known? There is no time
    of birth on my birth certificate. It was signed by a midwife. My best
    guess about my time of birth is from extremely questionable memories
    with distant relatives. 
    
    What if you didn't know what city you were born in?

	Hi Mikie?,

	If we call the rising sign by its other name - ascendant, there
        is also the polar opposite called the descendant (the cusp of
        the 7th house).  If you were looking at the birth chart, you
        would see a circle with twelve pie-cuts representing the
        twelve houses.  From right to left, there is a line through 
        the middle of this circle - the left point is the ascendant,
        the right point is the descendant.  Some call this the relation-
        ship axis; the left point is where we attract to ourselves and
        the right point is where we are attracted.  These points are two
        of the four angular points of the chart that are very important
        (the other two are the point at the top of the chart - the
        midheaven and the point at the bottom of the chart - the nadir.

        In order to best cast a birth chart, you need the full birth
        data (date,time and place).  With this information, you will
        calculate the house structures, the exact position of the moon,
        and the house placements of the planets.  If you only have a
        birth date, you can still get quite a bit of information from
        the placements of the planets in the signs, as well as aspects
        of the planets to one another.  You will also be able to
        ascertain where the moon's nodes were by sign.  Since the
        moon moves so quickly, there may be a question of its sign
        placement if it was near the beginning or the end of a sign
        on your date of birth.

        There are some astrologers who do what is called chart
        rectification, which is a painstaking process of coming up
        with the rising sign and house cusps.  I don't know the
        specifics of the process however.  

        Have you ever used a pendulum?  I know that some people have
        tried this process to come up with the birth time.  It could
        probably be used for establishing the city of birth also.
        
        When I first became interested in astrology, the birth 
        certificate I had did not have the time on it.  I sent to
        the state department of health for a copy of my birth record.
        While I was waiting for a reply, I went for a reading with a
        psychic.  I was able to ask ten questions at the end of the
        reading - one was what time I was born.  She wasn't exactly
        specific but she did say I was born just before sunrise.  A 
        few days later I received a copy of my hospital birth record 
        and it had the time of birth - 5:48 am.

        So, if you are interested enough, there are some alternatives
        to try.  :-)

        Carole
    

    I am a virgo...born 12:30 a.m. CST in Evanston ILL on 8/31/63...
    I'm not sure what my rising/ascendent signs are, but now, to the
    question at hand.
    
    Does anyone know what signs are earth, air, fire, and water?  I
    know these are often attached to various signs, but I'm not sure
    which to what, and what impact that has on the person who has them.
     
    
    thanx
    
    -Jody
    

    
    Air sign..Gemini,Libra, and Aquarius
    
    Earth sign..Leo,Aries,and Tuarus
    
    Water Sign...Pisces, Cancer, and Sagitarius
    
    Fire sign...Virgo, Capricorn, 
    
    I am not too sure about the about the Sagitarius..I'll check my
    book and get back to you...

re: .37

Aries is a fire sign.

		Dave

    
    
    Hi everyone,
    
    Here are the signs and their elements, plus their mode of operation:
    
       Sign             Element             Mode
       ----             -------             ----
       Aries            Fire                Cardinal
       Taurus           Earth               Fixed
       Gemini           Air                 Mutable
       Cancer           Water               Cardinal
       Leo              Fire                Fixed
       Virgo            Earth               Mutable
       Libra            Air                 Cardinal
       Scorpio          Water               Fixed
       Sagittarius      Fire                Mutable
       Capricorn        Earth               Cardinal
       Aquarius         Air                 Fixed
       Pisces           Water               Mutable
    
    
    Carole
    
    

      	Carole,
    
    	You are so good.  =8*)
    
    				Carla
    

    
    .37 is more than a bit premature, and actually has several errors.
    
    The actual assignment of Signs to elements (aka. triplicities ..
    Fire, Earth, Air, Water) and quadruplicities (Cardinal, Mutable,
    Fixed) goes like this:
        
	    		CARDINAL	MUTABLE		FIXED
			--------	-------		-----
    FIRE		Aries		Sagittarius	Leo
    EARTH		Capricorn	Virgo		Taurus
    AIR			Libra		Gemini		Aquarius
    WATER		Cancer		Pisces		Scorpio
    
    Now, a few words about the ascendant.
    
    First of all, a birth chart without an ascendant is incomplete.
    It is only marginally better than the horoscopes found in the
    newspaper or the Sun Signs type of astrology book.  In order to
    accurately interpret a natal horoscope the ascendant and other house
    cusps must be determined.  Actually, to me the placement of planets
    in natal houses can provide much more of an insight into a persons
    motivations and areas of concern than signs (which indicate how that
    concern is expressed) or aspects (which indicate other influences
    which enhance or detract from that concern/expression).  Often a
    good astrologer given a birth date without a time (or with a rough
    time) can determine the ascendant, and in fact the house positions
    of most if not all planets, based upon the planet positions listed
    in an ephemeris along with a brief interview with the person.

    If you don't have access to an astrologer or an astrology program
    and you know your birth time, there are a few rough calculations
    that you can make to narrow down your ascendant to within about
    15 degrees or so.  If the 15 degree range falls on the cusp between
    two signs, then you will have to resort to the 'interview' method
    by reading descriptions of both ascendants and trying to determine
    which description seems to describe you best.
    
       First, of course, an ephemeris which lists your birth date
    will help you by telling you all of the planets signs and degrees,
    but especially the Sun's degree.  (If you are also finding the
    fast-moving Moon's position or want more accuracy, you will have
    to be sure to adjust the ephemeris times for your local time-zone
    at birth .. including an adjustment for Daylight Savings Time)
    If you don't have an ephemeris, then the Sun's degree is also not
    that tough since it moves one degree per day, and changes signs on
    the 21st-24th of the month, depending on the month.  (So today Feb
    29th, I could estimate the Sun's position to be about 5-8 degrees
    of Pisces).
    
      Once you know the sun's degree, you can start figuring the ascendant.
    The key is to think of the zodiac as rotating once per day (like
    the Sun of course) .. clockwise.  Thus each sign is the ascendant
    sign for two hours of each day.  The order of signs appears on the
    zodiac chart in a counter-clockwise order, so as the zodiac spins
    clock-wise, each subsequent counter-clockwise ordered sign appears
    next on the ascendant (and descendant, midheaven, and nadir of course).

    The order of signs is: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo,
    Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces.
    
    Now, it is a matter of determining how the time of your birth is
    related to the sun-rise on that day.  For instance, I was born at
    noon-time (actually 1:00 PM Daylight Davings Time .. be careful).
    Noon is about 6 hours after sun-rise (assume 6:00 AM sunrise), and
    the 6 hours equates into 3 signs.  Thus since my Sun is at 17 degrees
    of Cancer, I could guess that my ascendant was about 17 degrees
    of Libra. (count three from Cancer ... Leo, Virgo, Libra).
    In fact, my ascendant is computed as 15 degrees of Libra!!
    
    Once you have the ascendant, you get the descendant for free ..
    it is directly opposite from the ascendant (or six signs away).
    Other house cusps are quite a bit more difficult to estimate
    accurately, although one simple way is just to use the same ascendant
    degree in each of the other signs as the cusp of the subsequent
    house.  Thus since my ascendant (first house) cusp is at 15 degrees
    of Libra, I could guess my second house cusp to be 15 degrees of
    Scorpio (the next sign), my third house cusp to be 15 degrees of
    Sagittarius, etc.  This estimate would introduce some errors for
    the house placement of a couple of the planets in my chart, but
    it is still close enough to provide input for interview method.
    
    BTW:  Since I am an astrology 'watcher', and have learned much about
    the signs, aspects, houses, etc from simply keeping an eye on sign
    transitions of the moon and other planets, void-of-course moon periods,
    retrograde planetary motions, and to a lesser degree the transiting
    planetary aspects, etc.. I have considered posting a once-a-month
    summary of these astrologically significant occurrences for others
    to become 'watchers' for yourself.  Is there any interest in this?
    
    Once you have made a few major purchases on the void-of-course moon
    (and then returned them or they broke), or bought a car when Mars was
    retrograde (and then it burned up or had other electrical problems),
    or tried to explain the simplest nuance to someone when Mercury was
    retrograde (and they took offense or otherwise totally missed the
    point), you might find a lot more practical meaning and usefulness
    in the study of astrology.  In keeping with my own method of learning
    astrology, the monthly entry would be high on data, and low on
    interpretation .. you would have to do that for yourself.
    
    For example, have you been noticing dramatic failures to communicate
    and rampant misinterpretation over the past several weeks? (just look
    at a few of the DEJAVU entries)  Well, you may be happy to learn
    that it should be clearing up now since Mercury has been in retrograde
    motion for a bit over three weeks, and just became direct again towards
    the end of last week.

    One final note .. the Moon is in Leo tonight .. its a great Moon
    sign for a party or other entertainment!  So have yourself a hot night!

	    				Todd

    If anybody does have a problem with birth time, I have successfully
    used the pendulum and it was accurate to the minute.  I have also
    used it to check rising signs, moon signs and sun signs.
    
    This topic is very interesting, didn't we cover this somewhere else
    and found out there were more Scorpios than any other sign.
    
    By the way, I am a Scorpio sun sign, Leo moon, Cancer Rising and
    have 7 fire, 6 water planets etc in my chart (includes north node
    etc)
    
    I scare people that don't know me because I shoot from the hip.
    And I don't seem to be able to change that scorpio element to somebody
    sweet and cute.  At least I'm not as sarcastic and cutting as I
    used to be......put a hold on that, unless I don't like you, or
    you do something to hurt me or my daughters.  
    
    One poor secretary on the social club, was terrified of me, until
    some of the others told her what a great and wonderful (!!!) person
    I was, she now takes me with a grain of salt.
    
    It seems to me that scorps have the hardest job in trying to curb
    that lizard in them - the eagle comes easily.  
    
    I tell you, I have an equally hard job of trying to keep the leo
    and scorp in line they are always tryhing to outdo each other......
    
    Having a chart done is wonderful in trying to come to terms with
    some of the parts of you that you never understood before and need
    to alter in some slight way.
    
    If this makes sense - well I'll be - I am trying to finish this
    before running off to a meeting.
    
    ....dale
    

    RE: Dale
      
        I don't know if I'd be scared, but if you shot a lizard at me
    from your hip, I'd certainly notice you!
       
    :-)
    Frederick
    

    Regarding note 660.30,
    
    I am also born 3/3/60, but 17:30 in the afternoon in Norway.
    What a coincidence!  I am interested in astrology, and a pretty
    typical Pisces (although everything I read here didn't fit for me
    either).  So what is our ascendant?  Can anybody out there help?
    Curious regards...

    I found something...
                                      positive            negative
    
    Aries.........self................courage,............brash rudeness,
                                      initiative,.........selfish impetuosity
                                      pioneer insticnt
    
    Taurus........money...............endurance,..........obstinacy
                                      loyalty,............gluttony
                                      wealth
    
    Gemini........mind................versatility,........capriciousness,
                                      communication       unreliable
    
    Cancer........family..............sympathy,...........clashness,
                                      homing instinct     childishness
    
    Leo...........children............love,...............egotism,force
                                      authority,
                                      integrity
    
    Virgo.........work................purity,.............fault-finding
                                      industry,           cynicism
                                      analysis
    
    Libra.........marriage............harmony,............vacillation
                                      justice             superficiality
    
    Scorpio.......sex.................survival,...........vengeance,
                                      regeneration        discord
    
    Sagittarius...travel..............optimism,...........lawlessness
                                      higher learning
    
    Capricorn.....career..............depth,...............narrowness
                                      responsibility       gloom
    
    Aquarius......friends.............humanity,............perverse
                                      genius               unpredictability
    
    Pisces........confinement.........spiritual love,......diffusion
                                      universality         escapism
    

    My mother who had me at home and was put to sleep can only estimate
    my time of birth. Around 12:25 noon time which gives me a Leo sun,
    a Capricorn moon, and a Scorpio ascendant.  Can anyone tell me how
    to use the pendulum to find the time of birth?  The choice for me
    would be between scorpio and sagittarius ascendant; scorpio seems
    to fit better but I would still like to know the exact minute I
    was born.
    
    After reading this note I have to come to the defense of Scorpios
    (although they don't need anyone to defend them :-) ).  There are
    a lot of scorpios in my life (my ex-husband scorpio sun, leo ascendant,
    my son scorpio sun, capricorn ascendant, one niece, 3 nephews) and
    this is just counting family......  They are extremely intelligent,
    charismatic, passionate and intense.  Their intensity is what they
    are best known for.  Of course the intensity being present in
    everything they do and feel it is then seen in the purest of emotions as
    well as in the worst of emotions.  They believe in truth and they
    believe in telling it as it is.  Scorpios are sure of themselves
    and don't need compliments for others - they know who and what they
    are and don't need reinforcement from others.  All of the scorpios I
    know love life with a passion and are "doers".  Some of them (i.e.
    my son) show a beautiful softness.  But beware because underneath
    scorpios are just not "soft" and when attack they will sting you.
    So what must be understood about scorpios is the range of their
    intensity, biting, angry, furious, loving, curious, demanding, 
    passionate, sexy, fabulous, but......  BUT NEVER BORING..... no
    never, ever boring.
    
    Why do I like them so much personally?  Probably because as a Leo,
    in scorpio I meet my match!
    
    And before I end here I have another question.  What does the
    descendant mean? (mine is taurus).  And how about the meaning of
    mid-heaven (my leo sun sits extremely close to the left of it) and 
    the opposite (aquarius)?  
    
    L.

    The fire signs..
    
    On the whole they are emotional, volatile types, quick to anger,
    quick to forgive.  They are adventurous, powerful people and act
    as a source of inspiration for evryone.  They spark into action
    with immediate exuberant impulses.  They are intelligent, self-
    involved, creative and idealistic.  They all share a certain 
    vibrancy and glow that outwardly reflects an inner flame and passion
    for living.
    
    The earth signs....
    
    They are in constant touch with the material world and tend to be
    conservative.  Although they are all capable of spartan
    self-discipline,they are earthy, sensual people who are stimulated
    by by the tangible, elegant and luxurious.  The thread of their
    lives is always practical, but they do fantasize and are often
    attracted to dark, mysterious, emotional people.  They are like
    great cliffs overhanging the sea, rorever married to the ocean but
    always resisting erosion from the dark, emotional forces that thunder
    at their feet.                                  
    
    The air signs...
    
    They are light, mental creatures desirous of contact, communication
    and relationship.  They are involved with people and the forming
    of ties on many levels.  Original thinkers, they are the bearers
    of human news.  Their language is their sense of word, color style
    and beauty.  They provide  and atmosphere suitable and pleasant
    for living.  They add change and versatility to the scene, and it
    is through them that we can explore human intelligence and experience.
    
    The water sign..
    
    Through the water people, we are all joined together on emotional,
    non-verbal levels.  They are silent, mysterious types whose magic
    hypnotizes even the most determined realist.  They have uncanny
    perceptions about people and are as rich as the oceans when it comes
    to feeling, emotional or imagination.  They are sensitive, mystical
    creatures with memories that go back beyond time.  Through water,
    life is sustained.  These people have the potential for the depths
    of darkness or the heights of mysticism and art.

                          Thanks!!

660.41 Todd
660.42 Dale
660.46 L.

All the above entries were great!! Pure - and intense!  I like that!
I am a scorpio also and find this all very intriguing!!  Todd, I think
your idea to enter a monthly astrology watch would be good.  I am all
for it.

Other than that - I'm out of here for now.

                               KIM

    
    I'm a Sagittarius with a Sagittarius Ascendant and moon in Leo.
    I have 5 fire, 4 earth, and 2 water signs.....
    
    Am I fun, or what....??!!??
    
    Linda
    

    Sagittarius
    
    It is the sign of adventure and a thousand and one new experiences.
    It is the cause and purpose of every new attempt at adventure or
    self-understanding.  It is the embodiment of enthusiasm, search
    for truth and love of wisdom.  Hope and optimism characterize this
    section of the Zodiac, and it is the ability to leave the past behind
    and set out again with positive resilience and a happy, cheerful
    outlook.  It is intelligence and exuberance, youthful idealism and
    the desire to expand all horizons.  It is the constant hatching
    of dreams, the hunger for knowledge, travel and experience.  The
    goal is exploration itself.
    
    Sagittarius is generosity, humor and goodness of nature, back up
    by the momentum of great expectations.  It symolizes the ability
    of people to be back in the race after having the most serious spills
    over the biggest hurdles.  It is healthy, positive outlook and the
    capacity to meet each new moment with unaffected buoyancy.
    
    At this point in the Zodiac, greater conscious understanding begins
    to develop self-awareness and self-acceptance.  It is an Olympian
    capacity to look upon the bright side and to evolve that aspect
    of mind we call conscience.
    

    
    
    Waiting patiently for the discription of Libra....
    
                       DK
    
    

    Famous Geminis
    
    Queen Victoria
    Ralph Emerson
    Miles Davis
    Michael J. Foxx
    John Wayne
    Peggy Lee
    Bob Hope
    John Kennedy
    Benny Goodman
    Joe Namath
    Marilyn Monroe
    Judy Garland
    Richard Strauss
    Jim Nabors
    Lena Horne
    Dean Martin
    Paul McCartney
    Joan Collins
    Felicia Rashad
    Prince
    Gladys Knight
    Cindy Lauper
    Patty Labell
                

    RE: Note 660.45   Your astrological sign                   
    CSCMA::SNOW       1-MAR-1988 08:53
                        -< Signs and their key words. >-

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Just wanted to add a little more to this list...


    >                                  positive            negative
    >
    >Aries.........self................courage,............brash rudeness,
    >                                  initiative,.........selfish impetuosity
    >                                  pioneer insticnt
                   being

    > 
    >Taurus........money...............endurance,..........obstinacy
    >                                  loyalty,............gluttony
    >                                  wealth
   
                   possessions                             envy
 
    >Gemini........mind................versatility,........capriciousness,
    >                                  communication       unreliable
    > 
                   thinking

    >Cancer........family..............sympathy,...........clashness,
    >                                  homing instinct     childishness
    >
                   feeling

    >Leo...........children............love,...............egotism,force
    >                                  authority,
    >                                  integrity
    >
                   expressing          creativity

    >Virgo.........work................purity,.............fault-finding
    >                                  industry,           cynicism
    >                                  analysis
    >
                   service             definition

    >Libra.........marriage............harmony,............vacillation
    >                                  justice             superficiality
    >
                   relationship        

    >Scorpio.......sex.................survival,...........vengeance,
    >                                  regeneration        discord
    >
                   connection          perseverance        jealousy 

    >Sagittarius...travel..............optimism,...........lawlessness
    >                                  higher learning
    >
                   knowing             goal oriented       self-righteous

    >Capricorn.....career..............depth,...............narrowness
    >                                  responsibility       gloom
    >
                   fitting in          accomplishments
 
    >Aquarius......friends.............humanity,............perverse
    >                                  genius               unpredictability
    >
                   vision              

    >Pisces........confinement.........spiritual love,......diffusion
    >                                  universality         escapism
    >
                   surrender           

    
    Carole
 
                                      

    Libra..
    
    Libra is the sign of human relationship, marriage, equality and
    justice.  It symbolizes the need of one human being to another,
    the capacity to find light, warmth and life-giving love in relationship
    to another human being.  It is union on any level -- mental, sexual,
    emotional or business.  It is self-extension in a desire to find
    a partner with whom to share our joys.  It is the capacity to recognize
    the needs of others and to develop to the fullest our powers of
    diplomacy, good taste and refinement.
    
    Libra is harmony, grace aesthetic sensibility, and the personification
    of the spirit of companionship.  It represents the skill in maintaining
    balances and the ability to share mutually of all life's benefits,
    trials, crises and blessings.  Libra is mastery at anticipation
    of another's needs or reactons.  It is the excercise of simple justice
    with impartial delicacy.
    
    It is the need to relate, to finds a major person, place or thing
    to sustain us and draw out our attention.  It is growth through
    becoming awakened to the outside world and other people.  It is
    the union of two loving souls in honesty, equality, mutual cooperation
    and mutual accord.

    Many, Many thanks for taking the time to type all of
    that in.  And aren't you glad there aren't 48 signs? ;-)
    
                       Deb
    
    

    re: .42
    
    What is a pendulum???  Can you tell me how to use one to find my
    time of birth?
    
    re: .43
    
    I don't know where you get these descriptions but they are fantastic!
    
    I would really like to read what LEOS are all about...
    
    thanks.  L.
    

    My husband is a Gemini, and the only traits he possess that fit
    the canned description of Gemini's is that he is good musically,
    plays the guitar by ear, and he can assess emergency/problem situations
    in an instant and responds well even faster.
    
    He CAN NOT do two things at once, a slight aggreviation to me,
    Cancer/Leo July 19th (more Leo than Cancer thank the stars-no slight
    intended on other Cancers-personal preference)simply because I am
    able to do any number of things at any given moment.  He does enjoy
    deep esoteric phylisophical conversation, and does not mind routine
    schedules, but would prefer to set those routines himself.  He is
    brilliant when it comes to financial planning and taxes (getting
    his masters in taxation from Bryant College).  
    
    Can anyone explain how someone so intrenced in an astrological sign
    by virtue of their birth date, be so far off the mark from the
    traits attributed to persons born under that sign?  Does the time
    of day a person was born have that much of an affect on how closely
    they will resemble the norm of their birth sign?  I would really
    appreciate any enlightenment on this question.
    
    Thanks all.
    
    Cynde

    This is GREAT!  
    
    I've got my sun (and four other planets) in Pisces, moon in Gemini,
    and Virgo rising ... 
    
    It's sometimes bright and clear, often scattered and disorganized,
    but never, never dull. 

    Leo the Lion...
    
    Leo is love.  It represents the warmth, strength and regeneration
    we feel through love.  It is the radiance of lifegiving light and
    the center of all attention and activity.  It is passion, romance,
    adventure and games.  Pleasure amusement, fun and extertainment
    are all part of Leo.  Based on the capacity for creative feeling
    and the desire to express love, Leo is the #1 sign.  It represents
    the unlimited outpouring of all that is warm and positive.
    
    It is loyalty, dignity, resposibilty and command.  Pride and nobility
    belong to Leo, and the dashing image of the knight in shining armor,
    pioneer or hero all are part of Leo.  It is a sense of high honor
    and kingly generosity born out of deep, noble love.  It is the
    excitement of the sportsman, with all the unbeatable flair and style
    of success.  It is strong, unyielding will and true sense of personal
    justice, a respect for human freedom and an enlightened awareness
    of people's needs.
    
    Leo is involvement is the Self's awareness of personal talents and
    the desire and need to express them.  At best it is forthrightness,
    courage and efficiency, authory and dignity, showmanship and a talent
    for organization.  Dependable and ardent, the Lion is characterized
    by individuality, positivism and integrity.
    
    It is the embodiment of human maturity, the effective individual
    in society, a virile creative force able to take chance and win.
    It is love of laughter and the joy of making others happy.  Decisive
    and enthusiastic, the Lion is the creative producer of the Zodiac.
     It is the potential to light the way for others.

    
    
    RE: .57
    
    There could be many reasons why your husband displays very few of
    the Gemini traits.  Though his Sun may be in Gemini, his essence
    is expressed through the rest of the planets in the chart.  The
    house placement of the Sun and aspects to it from other planets
    is very important.  The sign and house placement of the Moon and
    its aspects is very important.  The rising sign and any rising
    planets would affect his outer expression.  Other important
    points in the chart that reflect our tendencies are the North
    and South Nodes of the Moon.  The sign and house placement of
    the South Node indicates what we have learned very well and comes
    easily to us.  The North Node of the Moon shows what we need to
    learn in order to grow.  Needless to say, the whole chart has to
    be taken into consideration - which is why Sun Sign astrology can
    only go so far, and is often put down by those who sense the
    superficiality of this approach but not having studied astrology
    they are all to ready to trash astrology as a whole.
    
    Carole
    

    My husband is a Taurus and your description of Taurus is "Right
    On Target!" He is also very compulsive when . Is this a Taurus trait?
    

    reply to 660.59
    
    Thank you for the Leo description.  It describes me to a tee, would
    you have any verbage on what Leo's weak points are, and in what
    area's improvement should/could be made?  I like having the whole
    picture.  
    
    This file is wonderful.  What is the name of the book that you're
    getting all these descriptions from?  I'd love to beable to obtain
    same.  
    
    Again thank you for taking the time to type all that out.  Does
    anyone out there know how I could print it out?  
    
    Thanks again.
    
    Best regards
    Cynde

    reply to 660.60
    
    Thanks for the enlightenment.  You are obviously extremely
    knowledgeable about the stars/signs, I've read your comments quite
    a bit in this file.  Do you do charts?  If you don't maybe you should
    consider doing so.  If you do, give me a call I'd like to discuss
    this further.
    
    Thanks again for the input.
    
    Cynde

    The planets of the Solar System all travel around the Sun at different
    speeds and different distances.  Taken with the Sun, they all
    distributeindividual itelligence and ability throughout the chart.
    
    The planets modify the influence of the Sun in a chart according
    to their own particular natures, strengths and positions. 
    
    The Sun...is the center of existence.  Our star is constantly sending
    out its beams of light and energy without which no life on Earth
    would be possible.  In astrology it symbolizes everything we are
    trying to become, the center around which all of our activity in
    life will always revolve.  It is the symbol of our basic nature
    and describes the natural and constant thread that runs through
    everything that we do from birth to death on this planet.
    
    Everything in the horoscope ultimately revolves around this singular
    body.  Although other forces may be prominent in the charts of some
    individuals, still the Sun is the total nucleus of being and symbolizes
    the complete potential of every human being alive.  It is vitality
    and the life force.  Your essence comes from the position of the
    Sun.
    
    Mercury....is the planet closet to the Sun.  It races around our
    star, gathering information and translation it to the rest of the
    system.  Mercury represents your apacity to understand the desires
    of your own will and to translate those desires into action.
    
    In other words it is the planet of Mind and the power of communication.
    Through Mercury we develop an ability to think, write, speak and
    observe - to become aware of the world around us.  It colors our
    attitudes and vision of the world, as well as our capacity to
    communicate our inner responses to the outside world.  Some people
    who have serious disabilities in their power of verbal communication
    have often wrongly been described as people lacking intelligence.
    
    Although this planet indicates your power to communicate your thoughts
    and perceptions to the world, intelligence is something deeper.
    Intelligence is distributed throughout all the planets.  It is the
    relationship of the planets to each other that truly describes what
    we call intelligence.  Mercury rules speaking, speaking, language,
    mathematics, draft and design, students messengers, young people,
    offices, teachers and any pursuits where the mind of man has wings.
    
    Venus...is beauty.  It symbolizes the harmony and radiance of a
    rare and elusive quality:  beauty itself.  It is refinement and
    delicacy, softness and charm.  In astrology it indicates grace,
    balance and the esthetic sense.  Where Venus is we see beauty.
    
    Venus is the planet of sensitivity, affection, and it is always
    the place for that other elusive phenomenon:  love.  Venus describes
    our sense of what is beautiful and loving.  Poorly developed, it
    is vulgar, tasteless and self-indulgent.  But its deal is the flame
    of spiritual love - Aphrodite, goddess of love, and the sweetness
    and power of personal beauty.
    
    Mars....is raw, crude energy.  the planet next to earth but outward
    from the Sun is a fiery red sphere that charges through the horoscope
    with force and fury.  It represents the way you reach out for new
    experience.  It is energy and drive, initiative, courage and daring.
    The power to start something and see it through.  It could be
    thoughtless, cruel and wild, angry and hostile, causing cuts, burns,
    scalds and wounds.  It can stab its way through a chart, or it can
    be a symbol of healthy spirited adventure, well-channeled constructive
    power to begin and keep up the drive.
    
    If you have trouble starting things, if you lack the get-up-and-go
    to start the bal rolling, if you lack aggressiveness and
    self-confidence, chances are ther's another planet influencing your
    Mars.  Mars rules soldiers, butchers, surgeons, salespeople - in
    general any field that requires daring, boldd skill, operational
    technique or self-promotion.
    
    Jupiter....is the largest planet of the Solar System.  Scientists
    have recently learned that Jupiter reflects more light than it receives
    from the Sun.  In a sense it is like a star itself.  In astrology
    it rules good luck and good cheer, health, wealth, optimism, happiness,
    success and joy.  It is the symbol of opportunity and always opens
    the way for new possibilities in your life.  It rules exuberance,
    enthusiasm, wisdom, knowledge, generosity and all forms of expansion
    in general.  It rules actors, statesmen, clerics, professional people,
    religion, publishing and the distribution of many people over large
    areas.  
    
    Jupiter....makes you think you deserve everything, and you become
    sloppy, wasteful, careless and rude, prodigal and lawless, in the
    illusion that nothing can ever go wrong.  Then there is the danger
    of your showing overconfidence, exaggeration, undependability and
    overindulgence.  
    
    Jupiter is the minimization of limitation and the emphasis on
    spirituality and potential .  It is the thirst for knowledge and
    higher learning.
    
    Saturn....circles our system in dark slendor with its mysterious
    rings, forcing us to be awakened to whatever we negelcted in the
    past.  It will present real puzzles andd problems to be solved,
    causing delays, abstacles and hindrances.  By doing so, Saturn stirs
    our own sensitivity to those areas where we are laziest.  
    
    Here we must patiently develop method and only through painstaking
    efforts can our ends achieve.  It brings order to horoscope and
    imposes reason just where we are feeling least reasonable.  By 
    creating limitations and boudary, Saturn shows the consequences
    of human and demands that we accept the changing cycles inevitable
    in human life.  Saturn rules time, old age and sobriety.  It can
    bring depression, gloom, jealousy and greed, or serious acceptance
    of responsibilities out of which success will develop.  With Saturn
    there is nothing to do but face the facts.  It rules laborers, stones,
    granite, rocks and crystal of all kinds.  
    
    Uranus....rules unexpected change, upheaval, revolution.  It is
    the symbol of total independence and assert the freedom of an
    individual from all restriction and restraint.  it is the break-
    through planet and indicates talent, originality and genius in a
    horoscope.  It usually causes last-minute reversals and changes
    of plan, unwanted separations, accidents, catastrophes and eccentric
    behavior.  It can be irrational rebelliousness and perverse bohemianism
    to a personality or a streak of enaffected brilliance in a science
    and art.
    
    Uranus rules technology, aviation and all forms of electrical and
    electronic advancement.  It governs great leaps forward and topsy-
    turvy situations, and always turns things around at the last minute.
    Its effects are difficult to ever really predict, since it rules
    sudden last-minute decisions and events that comes like lightning
    out of the blue.
    
    Neptune...dissolves existing reality the way the sea erodes the
    cliffs beside it.  Its effects are subtle like the ringing of a
    buoy's bell in the fog.  It suggest a reality higher than definition
    can usually decribe.  it awakens a sense  of higher responsibility
    responsibility often causing guilt, worry, anxieties or delusions.
    Neptune is associated with all forms of escape and can make things
    seem a certain way so convincingly that you are absolutely sure
    of something that eventuall turns out to be quite different.
    
    It is the planet of illusion and therfore governs the invisible
    realms that lie beyond our ordinary minds, beyond our ordinary
    minds, beyond our simple factual ability to prove what is "real."
    Trechery, deceit, disillusionment and disappointment are linked
    to Neptune.  It decsribes a vague reality that promises eternity
    and the devine, yet in a manner so complex tahat we cannot really
    fathom it at all.  At its worst Neptune is a cheap intoxicant; at
    its best it is poetry, music and inspiration of the higher planes
    of spiritual love.  It has dominion over movies, photographs and
    and much of the arts.
    
    Pluto lies at the outpost of out system and therefore rules finality
    in a horoscope - the final closing of chapters in your life, the
    passing of major milestones and points of development from which
    there is no reeturn.  It is final wipeout, a closeout, an evacuation.
    It is distant, subtle but powerful catalyst in all transformations
    that occur.  It creates, destroys, then recreates.  
    
    Pluto rules the dead and the underworld - all the powerful forces
    of creation and destruction that go on allthe time beneath, around
    and above us.  It can bring a lust for power withstrong obsessions.
    
    It is the planet that rules the metamorphosis of the caterpillar
    into a butterfly, for it symbolizes the capacity to change totally
    and forever a person's life style, way of thought and behavior.
    
    The Moon..affects us psychologically and physically.  It controls
    the tides; we've seen that.  We understand how it affects blood
    rythm and body tides, together with allthe chemical fluids tat
    constitute our physical selves.
    
    In Astrology, the moon is said to rule our feelings, customs, habits
    and moods.  

    Actually Cynde I got this out of my Gemini book..It tells you all
    about the Gemini sign ..then it gives you a brief desciption of
    the other signs..

    How 'bout a blurb on us Virgos?
    
    
    John M.

    Virgo is the sign of work and service.  It is the symbol of the
    farmer at harvest time, and represents tireless efforts for the
    benefit of humanity, the joy of bringing fruits of the Earth to
    the table of mankind.  Celebration through work is the characteristic
    of this sign.  Sincerity, zeal, discipline and devotion mark the
    sign of the Virgin.
    
    The key word is purity, and in Virgo lies a potential for unlimited
    self-mastery.  Virgo is embodiment of perfected skill and refined
    talent.  The thread of work is woven into the entire life of Virgo.
    All creativiy is poured into streamlining a job, classifying a system,
    eradicating unnecessary elements of pure analysis.  The true Virgo
    genius is found in separating the wheatt from the chaff.
    
    Spartan simplicity characterized this sign, and Virgo battles the
    war between order and disorder.  The need to arrange, assimilate
    and categorize is great; it is the symbol of diagnostician , the
    nurse and the healer.  Critism and analysis describe this sign -
    pure, incisive wisdom and a shy appreciation of life's joys.  All
    is devoted to the attainment of perfection and the ideal of
    self-mastery.
    Virgo is the sign of health and represents the physical body as
    a function symbol of the mental and spiritual planes.  It is the
    stae of healing the ills of the human being with natural, temperate
    living.  It is muturation of the ego as it passes from a self centered
    phase to its awareness and devotion to humanity.
    
    It is humanitarian, pragmatic and scientific, with boundless curiosity.
    Focus and clarity of mind are the strong points, while strength
    of purpose and shy reserve underlie the whole sign.

    
    Re.66,67 - Incredible!  I'm duly impressed.
    
    'nother Scorpio here....
    
    Cindy

Fabulous reading!!

Any chance for the Cancer description would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Ted

    I am bout to marry a cancer...and I find him to be a little childish,
    he knows his home....he very sharing....sometimes he can be cold...
    but I don't think he does it intentionally....but here is what the
    book says....
    
    Cancer is the special realtionships to home and involvement with
    the family unit.  Maintaining harmony in the domestic sphere or
    improving conditions there is a major characteristic in this sector
    of the Zodiac.  Cancer is attachment between two beings vibrating
    in sympathy with one another.
    
    It is the comfort of a loving embrace, a tender generostiy.  Cancer
    si the place of shelter whenever there are lost or hungry souls
    at night.  Through Cancer we are fed, protected, comforted and soothed.
    When the coldness of the world threatens, Cancer is there with gentle
    understanding.  It is protection and understated loyalty, a medium
    rich, living feeling that is both psychic and mystical.  High
    intuitive, Cancer has knowledge that other signs do not possess.
     It is the wisdom of the soul.  
    
    It prefers the quiet contentment of the home and hearth to the busy
    search for earthy success and civilized pleasures.  Still, there
    is a respect for wordly knowledge.  Celebration of life comes through
    food.  The sign is muted light of warmth, security and gladness,
    and its presence means nourishment.  It rules fertility and the
    instinct to populate and raise young.  It is growth of the soul..
    It is the ebb and flow of all our tides af feeling, involvements,
    habits and customs.
    
    Through cancer is reflected the inner condition of all human beings,
    and therein lies the seed of knowledge out of which the soul will
    grow.

    
    Sorry if this is a repeat, however does anyone have the exact dates
    for the beginnings and endings of the signs?
    
    Thanks.

    ARIES......MARCH 21-APRIL 20
    
    TAURUS.....APRIL 21-MAY 20
    
    GEMINI.....MAY 21-JUNE 20
    
    CANCER.....JUNE 21-JULY 20
    
    LEO........JULY 21-AUG 21
    
    VIRGO......AUG 22-SEPT 22
    
    LIBRA......SEPT 23-OCT 22
    
    SCORPIO....OCT 23-NOV 22
    
    SAGITTARIUS.NOV 23-DEC 20
    
    CAPRICORN..DEC 21-JAN 19
    
    AQUARIUS...JAN 20-FEB 18
    
    PISCES.....FEB 19-MARCH 20

    these are not necessarily hard-and-fast dates, leap years and datelines
    and other things sometimes cause those born on a "cusp", or between
    two signs, to fall in one or the other.  Most books devoted
    specifically to astrology will state what years these things happen,
    etc....(I don't have any, though)
    
    -Jody
    

    I found something else......
    
    The twelve houses of every horoscope represent areas of life on
    Earth, or regions of wordly experience.  Depending on which sign
    of the Zodiac was rising on the eastern horizon at the moment of
    birth, the activity of each house will be "colored" by the zodiacal
    sign on its cusp, or edge.  In other words, the sign falling on
    the first house will determine what signs will fall on the rest
    of the houses.
    
    1.  The first house determines the basic orientation to all of life
    on Earth.  It indicates the body type, face, head and brain.  It
    rules your self-image, or the way others see you because of the
    way you see yourself.  This is the Ascendant of the horoscope and
    is the focus of energies of your whole chart.  It acts like a prism
    theough which all plaentary light passes and is reflected in your
    life.  It colors your outlook and influences everything you do see.
    
    2.  This is the house of finac=nces.  Here is your approach to money
    and materialism in general.  It indicates where the best sources
    are for you to improve your financial condition and your earning
    power as a whole.  It describes your values, alliances and assets.
    
    3.  This is the house of the day-to-day mind.  Short trips,
    communication and transportation are associated with this house.
    It delas with routines, brothers and sisters, relatives, neighbors
    and the near environment at hand.  Language, letters and the tools
    for transmitting information are included in the third-house matters.
    
    4.  This is the house that describe your home and  homelife, parents,
    and childhood in the sense of indicating the kind of roots you come
    from.  It symbolizes your present home and domestic situatuion and
    relects your need for privacy and retreat from the world, indicating,
    of course, what kind of scene you require.
    
    5.  Pleasure, love affairs, amusement, parties, creativity, children.
    This is the house of passion and courtship and of expressing your
    talents, whatever they are.  It is related to the developement of
    your personal life and the capacity to express feeling and enjoy
    romance.
    
    6.  This is the house of work.  Here there are tasks to be accomplished
    and maladjustments to be corrected.  It is the house of health as
    well, and describes some of likely places where physical health
    difficulties may appear.  It rules routine, regimen, necessary jobs
    as opposed to a chosen career, army, navy, police - people employed,
    co-workers and those in service to others.  It indicates the
    individual's ability to harvest the fruit of his own efforts.
    
    7.  This is the house of marriage, partnership and unions.  It
    representsthe alter ego, all people other than yourself, open
    confrontation with the public.  It describes your partner and the
    condition of partnership as you discern it.  in short, it is your
    "take" on the world.  It indicates your capacity to make the transition
    from courtship to marriage and specifically what you seek out in
    others.
    
    8.  This is the house of deep personal transisition, sex as a form
    of mutual surrender and interchange between human beings.  It is
    release from tension and the completion of the creative processes.
    The eighth house also has to do with taxes, inheritances and the
    finances of others, as well as death as the ending of cycles and
    crises.
    
    9.  This is the house of hte higher mind, philosophy, religion and
    the expression of personal conscience through moral codes.  It
    indicatesreligion learning, ethical views and the capacity of the
    individual for a broader perpective and deeper understanding of
    himself.  It is through the ninth house that you make great strides
    in learning and travel to distant places and come to know yourself
    through study, dreams and wide experience.
    
    10. This is the house of career, honor and prestige.  It marks the
    culmination of wordly experience and indicates the highest point
    you can reach, what you look up to, and how high you can go in this
    lifetime.  It decribes your parents, employers and how you view
    authority figures in general, the condition and direction of your
    profession and your position in the community.
    
    ......I'll do house 11 and 12 later....got to go

    Another Scorpio here (on the cusp of Saggitarius).  Are there
    any signs that Scorpio is compatible with???
    

I like to think of Signs in the form of their elements.  I am an
Aries with a Leo Moon, Leo Rising.  I have had my astrological chart
done. The completed chart has helped me in my search for a better
understanding of who I am and some of the life lessons I need to learn.
Thought you might enjoy the following from,
    
 		        Linda Goodman's Love Signs Book

FIRE SIGNS

Aries		Fire blends easily with Fire and Air
Leo		but requires tolerance to blend with
Sagittarius	Earth and Water.

AIR SIGNS

Libra		Air blends easily with Air and Fire
Aquarious	but requires tolerance to blend with
Gemini		Earth and Water.

EARTH SIGNS

Capricorn	Earth blends easily with Earth and Water
Taurus		but requires tolerance to blend with
Virgo		Fire and Air.

WATER SIGNS

Cancer		Water blends easily with Water and Earth
Scorpio		but requires tolerance to blend with
Pisces		Fire and Air.

FIRE and FIRE

When Fire meets Fire, the resulting higher and hotter flames may create a
conflagration, which will either consume itself, and burn out--or light
the darkness and melt the ice and fear of negative thinking.  The choice
lies equally with both individuals.

AIR and AIR

When Air meets Air, there is complete freedom of movement, little or no
restriction.  This blend can result in a glorious mental, emotional and
spiritual uplifting.  But Air becomes stale and polluted without the
winds of change, and Air can be whipped into the frenzy of a tornado
under certain conditions.  The choice lies equally with both individuals.

EARTH and EARTH

When Earth meets Earth, this blend can build itself into a tall mountain of
faith and strength--or can instead become a dry desert, depending on
which direction it takes.  When agitated, the result can be an earthquake,
with volcanic repercussions.  The choice lies equally with both
individuals.

WATER and WATER

When Water meets Water, there is no resistance, resulting in a continual
stream of inspiration, flowing eventually into a greater ocean of
enlightenment--or on the negative side, it may trickle into a stagnant
inlet, where there is no escape.  Water cools the thirst but, when out of
control, brings destructive floods.  The choice lies equally with both
individuals.

More in next reply.
    

Blending of the Elements -- Page 2

FIRE and AIR

Air fans Fire, and causes it to burn more brightly, stimulating
enthusiasm and excitement--or inciting passion and anger.  Too much Fire
can burn up the oxygen in Air, making it difficult to breathe--and
too much Air, such as strong wind, can cause a flame to flicker even
more dimly.  The choice lies equally with both individuals.

FIRE and EARTH

It is always obvious which is the stronger and more enduring of the two
elements.  Earth remains where it is, unless moved by inner explosion,
or through outside forces.  Fire charts it own course, every reaching
toward the heavens.  Fire can scorch Earth but never completely destroy
it.  Earth will support Fire, forming a stable foundation for its flames;
yet too much Earth can bury the brightest Fire.  The choice lies equally
with both individuals.

FIRE and WATER

A large Fire can dehydrate or dry out a small amount of Water, with
excessive heat.  On the other hand, large quantities of Water can
extinguish Fire, put out its flames.  Therefore, Fire instinctively
either fears or respects Water, and vice versa.  Both subconsciously
sense the danger--that each is capable of completely destroying the
other.  The choice lies equally with both individuals.

EARTH and AIR

Earth contains Air and needs it, but Air neither contains Earth nor
needs it.  Earth is obligated to remain where it is, moving only
through earthquake, volcanis or outside forces.  Air has freed itself
from such restrictions, moving above the Earth at whim, neither
changing Earth nor long remaining.  Earth is detached from Air, 
seeminly unaware of its existence, until strong winds disturb the
plants and flowers growing on its surface, rooted in its bosom.  The
outcome is determined by choice, which lies equally with both
individuals.

EARTH and WATER

Water seeks a home, which it finds within the Earth, penetrating
Earth and moistening it, which is a blessing to the Earth--for it is
Water's penetration alone that allows Earth to "mother" all forms of
living plants, trees and flowers.  Without the 'enrichment' of Water,
Earth is dry and useless.  Without the Earth to moisten, Water's course
is aimless and equally useless.  These two element were designed each
to need the other.  But too much Water can disappear within the
mountainous masses of Earth.  The outcome is determined by choice,
which lies equally with both individuals.

AIR and WATER

Air penetrates Water...stirs it, churns it into lashing waves...then
moves away....an infiltration or attack over which Water has no control.
When Water penetrates Air in the form of moisture, it causes Air to be
heavy.  But, in the process, it also brings to all of Nature the 
blessed relief of rain, magically changing Air _into its own element_,
a transmutation over which Air has no control.  In the final analysis,
there is no choice of outcome for either individual--only through
Destiny's Higher Will.

    

  For those who are trying to learn to interpret astrological signs and houses,
 it will be easier if you first recognize the direct correspondence between
 the two concepts.  In fact, if the signs are taken in their 'natural' order,
 the n'th house indicates the same influences as can be recognized in the
 n'th ordered sign. Let me illuminate this with the following _very_ simplified
 overview chart :

 HOUSE				SIGN
 =====				====
 1	Self			ARIES		Self-initiation of action
 2	Money, posessions	TAURUS		Solid Materialism
 3	Mind, Communication	GEMINI		Mental flitting about
 4	Home			CANCER		Home, mom, food
 5	Pleasure		LEO		Partyyyyyyyyyyy!
 6	Work, Tasks		VIRGO		Meticulous detail work
 7	Partners, Marriage	LIBRA		Relationships
 8	Sex, Death		SCORPIO		You got it .. SEX and death
 9	Philosophy		SAGITTARIUS	Philosophy, free-thinking
 10	Career, Business	CAPRICORN	Businessman, penny-counter
 11	Groups			ACQUARIUS	Detached communications
 12	Hidden Forces		PISCES		Secrets, Incarceration

  These are not the end-all of interpretations, but I have hopefully convinced
 you that if you know signs, then you could make a pretty good guess at houses.
 So, it is not really two sets of descriptions which you must learn, but
 a single set which manifests itself somewhat differently in each case.
 Actually, there are many ways in which, for example, Mars in the first house
 could appear to be like Mars in ARIES, and may even show these characteristics
 _more_ than if Mars _were_ in ARIES yet in another house.

  Both houses and signs 'color' the basic nature of the planet which resides
 in that house or sign.  The difference is that signs indicate what form the
 planet's energy will take (different signs may accentuate or inhibit the
 expression of different planets), while houses indicate what portion of
 _your_ life this planet's effect will operate within.

  The house descriptions given in .73 and sign descriptions given earlier are
 very instructive and I recommend using this type of explanation as the initial
 basis of your understanding of the houses and signs. (BTW. I have never seen
 descriptions of houses or signs which are almost exclusively decribing the
 _positive_ expressions!  This is sure to make for more entertaining reading
 when the description is about you :-))  However, I still do not think that
 you can really 'grok' (fully understand) these interpretations until you start
 investigating the effects of these concepts on your _own_ natal chart .. and
 those of other people you know well.

  I would like to correct one minor misconception in .73 however, about
 how your ascendant sign will definitely identify the sign on the cusp of
 all other houses.There is one very simple house system (called 'equal houses')
 for which this holds true (and this is often considered as an easy way out
 when you don't want to go through all of the tables of houses to find exact
 house cusps) yet in _all_ other house systems it will definitely hold true
 _only_ for the descendent sign, and _may_ hold true for all other signs, but
 actually all of the pairs of opposite houses will occupy a different number
 of degrees of arc, and thus a single sign may fall on two house cusps, or on
 none at all (the latter being called an 'intercepted' sign).

						Todd

    
    Kim and Andrea,
    
    Are you both quoting the characteristics of the various signs from
    the same book or two different books?
                 
    If the books are different - Andrea, I'd love to hear the Scorpio
    description from the one you have, if you have the time to enter
    it in.  As a doublecheck - the earlier Scorpio description is in
    note .29.
    
    Thanks!
    
    Cindy
    

    re: 79
    
    This is the book that I (Andrea) have...
    
    Scorpio...is the sign of dark intensity, swirling passion and sexual
    magnetism.  It is the thirst for survival amd primitive animal drives
    which are the bases of sexual orientation and the creative impulses
    for self-expression.  No other sign has such a profound instinct
    for survival and reproduction.  Out of the abyss of emotions come
    a  thousand creations, each one possessing a life of its own.
     
    Scorpio is completion, determination and endurance, fortified with
    enough stamina to outlive any enemy.  It is the pursuit of goals
    despite any threat, warning or obstacle that might stand in the
    way.  It simply cannot be stopped.  It knows when to wait and when
    to proceed.  It is in the constant state of readiness, a vibrant
    living force that constantly pumps out its rhythm from the depth
    of being.
    
    Secretive and intimate, Scorpio symbolizes the self-direct creature
    with a will of steel.  It is flaming desire to create, manipulate
    and control a magician's touch.  But the most mysterious quality
    is the capacity for metamorphosis, or total transformation.
    
    This represents supremacy in the battle with dark unseen forces.
    It is the state of being totally fearless -- the embodiment of truth
    and courage.  The healer.  It symbolizes the human capacity to face
    all danger and emerge supreme.  As a caterpillar spins its way into
    the darkness of the cocoon, Scorpio faces the end of existence,
    says goodbye to an old way of life and goes through a kind of death
    -- or total change.
    
    Then, amid the dread of uncertainty, something remarkable happens.
    From hopelessness or personal crisis a new individual emerges, like
    a magnificent butterfly leaving behind its cocoon.   It is a human
    being completely transformed and victorious. This is Scorpio.

< Note 660.80  - THANKS!

THIS FILE HAS REALLY DEVELOPED - THANK YOU ANDREA FOR ALL YOUR INPUT.
YOUR BOOK SOUNDS LIKE TRULY A BEAUTIFUL ONE.  

A LOT OF OTHERS HAVE GIVEN US ALL INFORMATION ALSO - A BIG THANKS!!!

VERY ENJOYABLE READING INDEED.

                         KIM
                        SCORPIO FOR SURE**

    That was the most wonderful, beautiful, positive definition of Scorpio
    that I have ever heard.  It brought tears to my eyes. 
    
    Thank you.
    Meredith
    
    (Sun, Neptune and Mars in Scorpio)

    
    Re.80 - Scorpio
    
    Thanks, Andrea, for typing that in.  I'm truly amazed - that explains
    a *lot* of things.
    
    Why is it I get the impression that all you other Scorpios are nodding
    in agreement?!  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    Here, here, I was so moved.  It is one of the only times I have
    not felt defensive about being a Scorpio.  
            
    I don't know about anybody else, BUT, that was my life you described.
    
    Ta, ta, muchly,
    
    ...dale (Sun, Venus, Mercury Scorpio)
    

    Does anyone know the significance of 
    
    >Uranus in transit, way of fortune?
    
    Bob
    

    re: .85
    
    THis is what I have about Uranus...
    
    Uranus rules unexpected change, upheaval, revolution.  It is the
    symbol of total independence and asserts the freedom of an individual
    from all restriction and restraint.  It is a breakthrough planet
    and indicates talent, originality and genius in a horoscope.  It
    usually causes last-minute reversals and changes of plan, unwanted
    separations, accidents, catastrophes and eccentric behavior.  It
    can add irrational rebelliousness and perverse bohemianism to a
    personality or a streak of unaffected brillance in science and art.
    
    Uranus rules technology, aviation and all forms of electrical
    advancement.  It governs great leaps forward and topsy-turvy situations
    and always turns things around at the last minute.  It effects are
    difficult to ever really predict, since it rules sudden last-minute
    decisions and events that come like lightning outof the blue.

    
    	These notes are great! i havn't ventured into the field of 
    astrology yet due to the numerous volumes and charts and calculations
    that i perceived to accompany it. But thanks to this file i am now 
    interested enough to venture forth. 
                                        
    	QUESTIONS:    1 in your opinion what is the best way to start?
    		      2	are there any books that you feel are superior
    		      3	what are the pit-falls, if any?
    		      4	can astrology be considerd as a religion?
    		      5	am i as ignorant as i seem?
    		      6	is it time to go home yet?
    
    		       
    	i have found great intrest in notes .45/.53/.77/.78
    	being a SAG. 11/24/64 TOB. 04:28 married to a Scorpio i can
    	agree that it is either HOT+ or HOT-.
    	 
    	the lawless/ignorant/philosophic student.
    
                            
    			

    
    Re: .87
      
    1.
    A good way to start is to read and learn as much as posible.  What
    are the variables or factors in Astrology (basically, 12 signs,
    10 planets, 12 houses and 10 aspects), how they interact together,
    and how they affect us?  That's how I started 6 years ago.  It took
    me some years to identify what areas of Astrology I wanted to spend
    some study time with.  There is natal chart interpretation (basic,
    advanced), transits, progressions, synastry and composites
    (relationship analysis), Medical, vocational, just to name a few
    themes.
    
    Therefore, it makes sense to first learn what makes up the system.
    Then decide what is your area of interest.  At this point in time,
    any astrological information that is backed up by statistics, get
    my attention.
     
    2.
    The two major distributors of Astrology books (in the USA) are ACS
    Publications (Astro-Computing Services) in Ca. and Para Research
    in Pennsylvania.  If someone is interested in their addresses, drop
    me a note, I will find them for you.  Of the books that I own, these
    are the ones I recommend for a good start:
    
    Title					Author	      Aprx cost
    
    The Only Way to Learn Astrology          McEvers/March       $10
     (volume I, II and III)
    The Astrologer's Handbook                Sakaoian/Acher      $15
    The new A to Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator- Lewellyn      $18
    Complete Horoscope Interpretation         Pottenger          $20
    The Complete Astrologer	                 Parker          $25
    
    
    The following are the books that have satisfied the most, my hunger for
    astrological information:  (In that order)
    
    Encyclopedia of Medical Astrology (Cornell, $25)
    The Rulership Book (Bills, $16)
    Astrological Insights into Personality (Lundsted, $13)
    Planets in Transit (Hand, $23),   Planets in Composite (Hand, $19)
    The Psychology of the Planets (Gauquelin, $9) 
                                             
    3.
    Pit-falls? - Many.  The more you learn, the more you want to know.
                 People that believe astrology to be fatalistic, become
                 discouraged after some study of it.  Astrology provides
                 many answers, but perhaps is short on solutions.  I've
                 become a conformist.
    
    4.
    Astrology is not a religion, at least not for me.  I consider it
    as, part art and part science.  Most subjects are just like that,
    right? - Medicine, engineering, etc.  When humanity understand
    the workings of astrology, (i.e. HOW the planets affects us) in
    quantity (vs quality), then we will concider it more as a science.
    For me, Astrology is a tool for understanding.  The following are
    books on Scientific Astrology;  These contain lots of statistical
    data:
    
    Research Cyclopedia 
    Patterns of Professions
    Harmonics in Astrology
    Astrology - 30 years of Research
    Psychology of the Planets (Gauquelins are statisticians, wanted
                               to prove astrology wrong, and failed)
    The Scientific Basis of Astrology (Stein/Day)
    
    
    5. > Am I as ignorant as I seem    -    No comments   !   
    
    
    6. > Is it time to go home yet?    -    Yes.  Good night!
    
    
    _Roberto 
    San German, Puerto Rico
    
    

     
    re .85
    
    This is what I have on Transiting Uranus in my Transits Book:
    During the transits of Uranus to your natal chart, you will experience
    phenomena that are out of accord with your everyday life.  The events
    that occur will be unusual, upsetting, sudden and unexpected.  For
    this reason astrologers are often circumspect about giving precise
    delineations concerning Uranus.  Almost all that can be said for
    sure is to expect the unexpected.
    
    But the transits of Uranus are not malefic in the traditional sense,
    except to the extent that you are unwilling to accept newness and
    chage in your life.  Uranus challenges the rigid structures in life
    that most people work so hard to build.  Many people value regularity
    and predictability so much that they will even sacrifice personal
    happiness to get it.  Think of all the unhappy marriages that continue
    only because both persons are afraid of the unsecurity that breaking
    up would bring.
    
    But this kind of rigidity is ultimately destructive to life in its
    highest sense.  Life is or should be a constant, ongoing confrontation
    between yourself and the world, with an energy that keeps everything
    fresh and lively.  The problem with this confrontation, however,
    is that there is always the danger of losing, so most people avoid
    the confrontation if they can.  To survive half-dead, they reason,
    is better than to lose.  But those are not the only alternatives;
    it is only fear that makes it seem that way.
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    March through May, Uranus transits the first degree of Capricorn.
    Those born on december 23 (perhaps plus or minus 1 day), will
    experience Transiting Uranus conjunct their Natal Sun.  Those with
    the first few degrees of Capricorn or Cancer in their ascendant,
    will have Uranus transiting the horizontal axis in their charts.
    Wow, there is lot going on right now (and in the coming years)
    for Capricorn, for Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are transiting the
    first decanate of Capricorn.  Those with Venus or Moon in the first
    few degrees of Capricorn, don't make any major relationship desicions
    till the transit is over.  In a way, the same applies for people
    with Moon or Venus in the first degrees of Cancer, Aries or Libra.
    I have seen many bad situations in relationships arise when Saturn and
    Uranus are aspecting by transit either their natal Moon or Venus. 
                                                      
    

    I was just wondering if someone could do a blurb on Aries
    
    Thanks in advance
    John

    ARIES..........
    
    Is the first sign of the Zodiac, and maks the beginning of springtime
    and the birth of the year. In spring the Earth begins its ascent
    upward and tips its North Pole toward the sun.  During this time
    the life-giving force of the Sun streams toward Earth, bathing our
    planet with the kiss of warmth and life.  Plants start growing.
    Life wakes up.  No more waiting.  No more patience.  The message
    has come from the sun:  Time to live!
    
    Aries is the sign of the Self and is the crusade for the right of
    an individual to live in unimpeachable freedom.  It represents the
    supremacy of the human will over all obstacles, limitations and
    threats.  In Aries there is unlimited energy, optimism and daring,
    for it is the pioneer in search of a new world.  It is the story
    pd success and renewal, championship and victory.  It is the living
    spirit of resilience and the power to be yourself, free from all
    restrictions and conditioning.  There is no pattern you have to
    repeat, nobody's rule you have to follow.
    
    Confidence and positive action are born in Aries, and with little
    thought or fear of the past.  Life is as magic as sunrise, with
    all the creative potential ahead of you for a new day.  Activity,
    energy and adventure characterize this sign.  In this sector of
    the Zodiac there is amazing strength, forthrightness, honesty and
    a stubborn refusal to accept defeat.  The Aries nature is warm-blooded
    and forgiving, persuasive, masterful and decisive.
    
    In short, Aries is the magic spark of life and being, the source
    of all initiative, courage, independence and self-esteem.

    aaahhhh shucks, I'm a LEO with Virgo Rising.
    
    
    -Arthur

    RE: LEOS
        You mentioned everyone but us poor Leos!! I'm really curious
    to find out who else shares the same traits as me!!
    
    Lil' Leo

      re: .92
       
        That last note re: leos was in re: to .12, by the way. Sorry
    end of the day!
    -lil'leo

    Leo is love.  It represents the warmth, strength and regeneration
    we feel through love.  It is the radiance of life-giving light and
    the center of all attention and activity.  It is passion, romance,
    adventure and games.  Pleasure, amusement, fun and entertainment
    are all part of Leo.  Based on the capacity for creative feeling
    and the desire to express love, Leo is the number 1 sign.  It
    represents the unlimited outpouring of all that is warm and positive.
    
    It is loyalty, dignity, responsibility and command.  Pride and nobility
    belong to Leo, and the dashing image of the knight in shining armor,
    pioneer or hero all are part of Leo.  It is a sense of high honor
    and kingly generosity born out of deep, noble love.  It is the
    excitementof the sportsman, with all the unbeatable flair and style
    of success.  It is strong, unyielding will and true sense of personal
    justice, a respect for human freedom and an enlightened awareness
    of people's needs.
    
    Leo is the involvement in the Self's awareness of personal talents
    and the desire and need to express them.  At best it is forthrightness,
    courage and effiency, authority and dignity, showmanship and a talent
    for organization.  Dependable and adent, the Lion is characterized
    by individuality, positivism and integrity.
    
    It is the embodiment of human maturity, the effective individual
    in society, a virile creative force able to take chances and win.
    It is the love of laughter and the joy of making others happy. 
    Decisive and enthusiastic, the Lion is the creative producer of
    the Zodiac.  It is the potential to light the way for others.

    What about the pendulum mehtod for finding birthtime?  Was that
    explained in an earlier note I missed??
    
    mary
    

	RE: .96 Mary

	I have never tried the pendulum method myself, but know of
	people who have.  What you would need to do is:

	Select an object as your pendant and attached it to a chain
	or string.  To determine if the time was AM or PM, decide
	which direction of movement will be for AM and which for PM
	and then hold the pendulum out in front of you and ask the
	question.  Allow the pendulum to swing freely and note which
	direction it moves.

	Then, create a layout of a clock face with each hour on it,
	spreak out enough so that you can differentiate the pendulum
	direction.  Ask the question and allow the pendulum to swing 
	to the appropriate hour.  Once this has been established, you 
	can create another layout of minutes, again ask the question 
	and allow the pendulum to move in the appropriate direction.

	Once you have come up with a time, you can have a chart cast
	and see if it fits!

	Good luck,

	Carole
 

    carole..
    
    What is the pendulum used for...It sounds interesting but I really
    never heard of it..Can you explain more about it?
    
    Andrea

Carole - I'm confused, too! And interested!

Thanks,
Meredith

    
    
    Hi all,
    
    So, I guess my reply was as confusing as it sounded to me! :-)
    The pendulum is actually any object that you decide to use, tied
    to a string or hanging from a lightweight chain.  A favorite
    necklace with a pendant would do nicely, or perhaps a stone tied
    to the end of string - whatever feels right for you.  I guess how
    it works is that it responds to your own subconscious that either
    has the information stored somewhere or taps into a cosmic "source" 
    of information.  As you ask the questions, hold the string and let
    the pendant dangle.  Try not to consciously move it, but let it
    begin to sway on its own.  If you are doing this over a layout on
    a table or on the floor, it should swing in one particular direction.
    Keep doing this until you narrow down all the possibilities to a
    final answer.  Or, if you are just asking for "yes or no" answers,
    try suggesting a side-to-side motion for yes, and the opposite
    direction for no.  If it goes around in circles and doesn't give
    you any concrete direction, try it at another time.
    
    Does this make any more sense?
    
    Carole
    

Carole!

As far as how to use the pendulum, yes.  But how do we relate that to 
astrology?  How does it work in the 12 houses/hours?

Thanks for your time and trouble and all that!
Meredith

    
    
    Hello again,
    
    I think I've got the question now!!  The pendulum is used to come
    up with a birth time when it is not available from any other source.
    Once you narrow it down to a time, you would have to go to an
    astrologer, or send away to an astrological computing company, and 
    provide them with your date, place, and *time* of birth so that a 
    chart can be cast.  The time and place are required in order to
    calculate your rising sign, and based on the house system used,
    the rest of the house cusps will be established as well as the
    placement of the planets in the houses.
    
    From there, you can have a reading with an astrologer, or if you
    are so inclined, pick up a couple of books that can assist with
    interpreting the chart.
    
    Is that what you were looking for?
    
    Carole
    
    

    
    		if i may barge in here and be really rude i would like
    to ask a question to any of you folk who could help me.
    
    	two nights ago i noticed that the planet Venus was almost touching
    the moon. i pointed this out to my wife and she replied "so?..."
    i had no idea what this ment or know if it ment anything at all.
    
    could someone out there explain what forces are working ect or what this
    represents?? or possibly make something up so i can feel intelligent
    when i explain the signif. of this GREAT EVENT!!!
 
   thx! the putrifying mouse

    I don't know much about its astrological significance, but
    aesthetically ... it was gorgeous.  The configurations beauty was
    aided by the moon being only in its third day, so it didn't swamp
    Venus, and by Venus being close to its greatest elongation (farthest
    from the sun) so it could be seen well away from the horizon (and
    obstructions) when the sky was full dark.  As I said, absolutely
    gorgeous.  (I've been busy so I hadn't noticed that the event was
    coming up, I just saw it -- the two brightest objects in the night
    sky almost touching.  Wow!  Then I went inside and discovered that
    Venus *was* as high as it looked and that the moon was as young
    as it looked (not that I doubted either one, but I got the exact
    figures)).
    
    					Topher

    re: .104
    
    Ditto.  I had occassion to be working in my yard in the dark. This
    seems to be a Yuppie symptom {:-(.  Anyway I had forgotten about
    Venus and the moon be close after having read it in the paper. I
    looked up and there they were.  The moon was a few days from new,
    a bright sliver and the majority was barely lit (just enough to
    see) and there was Venus just hanging off the point.  T'was pretty.
    
    Stan

yep! I agree. It's been happening for a few months now, but the other
nite was the best. 
FWIW, the Boston Globe had a nice picture (for newsprint) taken with a
600mm lens at f8 with a 1/15 sec exposure. Even looked pretty there.

Jay

   The astrological term for the celestial event referred to in reply .103
 is a conjuntion (0 degree aspect) of the Moon and Venus.  The Moon and
 Venus are considered to have a natural affinity for one another, so any
 aspect between the two is typically beneficial.  Since a conjunction is
 usually a somewhat beneficial aspect anyway, only nice things can be said
 about this aspect.  However, since both the Moon and Venus are considered
 'inner planets' they operate on a somewhat more surface level, making this
 a rather mild aspect.

  The Moon (feeling) aligned (conjunct) with Venus (beauty) suggests an inner
 appreciation of beautiful things, and may be expressed through some form of
 decorating activity.  This was a very good time to redecorate, or to create
 something of beauty.  Since this aspect occurs once every Moon cycle and has
 a noticable effect for only a brief period (about 4-6 hours) it is not
 considered as such a "GREAT EVENT" astrologically, however there were a couple
 of added considerations which made this particular aspect event more visually
 appealing and somewhat more significant astrologically.

  First, the Moon and Venus (at 15Gemini) were a full 45 degrees from the Sun
 (at 0Taurus).  This resulted in a rather high visual position in the evening
 sky and a brighter appearance for both the Moon and Venus since there was
 adequate separation from the Sun (which, of course, was setting).  The exact
 45 degree angle is a mild secondary aspect called a semi-square, which could
 be mildly difficult with some planets, but Sun-Moon and Sun-Venus semi-squares
 just indicate a bit more energy to be infused into the Moon-Venus conjunction.

  By the way, the Moon-Venus conjunction in the evening sky _always_ involves
 a nearly new Moon since Venus never travels more than about 60+ degrees from
 the Sun (this is because it orbits _within_ the earths orbit, and thus, for
 example, Venus _never_ opposes the Sun from the perspective of the Earth).

  Second, with both the Moon and Venus in Gemini (ruled by Mercury which is
 associated with thinking/communication) the aspect indicates a period of
 _thinking_ or _talking_ about beautiful things or beautiful _ideas_.  This
 Mercurial connection may tend to make the Moon-Venus aspect more easily
 expressed and therefore more noticable.

  Third, both the Moon and Venus were near their maximum northern declination
 (both at 27 degrees N).  This added even more to their apparent height in the
 sky (in the Northern hemisphere) and to their extremely close proximity during
 conjunction.  This resulted in a more beautiful display, and also a slightly
 heightened astrological effect since the conjunction was more exact.

  With everyone raving about the visual effect of this aspect (.104 "it was
 gorgeous", .105 "T'was pretty" ...) it seems that this particular aspect
 was uncannily self-fulfilling since it provided not only the astrological
 environment for appreciating beauty, but also provided a beautiful visual
 display to be enjoyed!
						Todd

	Gee! Where'd everybody go since April? 8^)

I'm a Scorpio. In fact a double Scorpio, as it's also my ascending sign. What's 
that make me? I understand it's pretty rare for this to happen. Whatever it is,
it's intense!!! 8^) Also, my moon is in capricorn.

Could someone point me to any current discussions on this subject?

Pete

WEll Pete, we've two in common; moon and sun sign, Capricorn and Scorpio.

What I've learned that this means is that your Scorpio will want to explore the 
mystic; Scorpio likes to conform to no law other than its own, whereas 
Capricorn will always be implementing the checks-and-balances, will want to 
make sure that you miss no steps, would like very much for your laws to fit in 
with society's laws.

Others know more about astrology.  But I bet you are one intense person.

Meredith

        Hey. Any Aquarians out there? I haven't seen any in this topic
    area; what does your Astrology book have to say about us?

    RE: .110
    
    
    Yes.  I'm an Aquarius too, and I was wondering the same thing.
    
    Sc

     Hi, this is response to 660.37.  Leo, aries and Sagitarius are
    Fire signs according to all of the books I have. 

    .112 is correct.  .37 had a lot of the signs mixed up, actually.
    Their elemental and modal categories are listed below:
    
    			Cardinal	Fixed		Mutable
    			--------	-----		-------
    Fire signs:		Aries		Leo		Sagittarius
    Earth signs:	Capricorn	Taurus		Virgo
    Air signs:		Libra		Aquarius	Gemini
    Water signs:	Cancer		Scorpio		Pisces
    
    Marcia

    I have my sun sign as CANCER, my ascendent (spelling) is SCORPIO
    and there was one other, I can't remember what they called it
    was PISCES.
    
    With all these water signs, what does that mean for me?
    (I could joke and say I am all wet, but..)
    
    Carla
    

    It's no joke...  :-)
    
    Jeff

    Just thought I'd add my signs to the file...
    
      I'm a Taurus Sun, Virgo rising and Scorpio Moon.
    (Also Venus in Gemini).  My feet seem planted but
    emotionally watch for quicksilver.
    
    Nanci

    
    Positive ascpects of Aquarius....
    
    adventure,humanitarianism,curiosity,unforseen events,zeal,spontaneity,
    science,progressiveness,friendship,human rights,groups,people,society,
    .....................................................................
    
    Negative aspects....
    
    disruption,unpredictability,perversity,rebelliousness,incompleteness,
    erratic behavior,inconsistency,radical conduct,catastrophe

    re.:  116
    
    Nanci,
    
    I am also Taurus with Virgo rising.  Venus in Cancer.
    
    Tade/cheyenne

    One thing many have overlooked is the important fact that,all signs
    have a Sun Sign decanate to your sign.Depending on the day you were
    born on.Here is an example: If you were born between July 13th and July
    23rd,you would read into Pices for the psychic,mediumistic qualities of
    Cancer in your decanate.More or less,everyone has a trait of a decanate
    sign to their sign.I am a Leo and heaven forbid,I try to aquire anymore
    traits than I already have but,it's true.A good book for all you
    Astro-grabbers is.JOSEPH F.GOODAVAGE::Write your own horoscope.Try It

    I'm A Scorpio....and YES...I really fit my sign.
    
    All the stuff you've heard...well, it's all TRUE !!!  8-)

    
    Oh geez...not another one!  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    Mine is VIRGO/LEO....August 23.
    
    Any information would be great.....either by CSLALL::BERGERON or by 
    	ALL_IN_1   SCOTT BERGERON @WOO.
    
    
    
    	Thankyou,
    	Scott

    My sun sign is Capricorn but according to my astrologer I was told 
    that I'm more of a Sagitarius. Since then I've read the attributes of 
    the Sag'and interestingly enough found that they do indeed fit my 
    personality moreso than that of Capricorn.
    Also, in looking back I found that two of my best girlfriends were Leos
    , whom as with Sagitarius are also Fire signs.
    
    As for Scorpios, I can attest ...but remember , it takes Two to Tango !
    {:')
    
    ciao,
    
    /todd

re  I'm more of a Sagitarius.

This is because the star signs are no longer in phase, but have 'shifted'

When the signs were first correlated many years ago the months were correct.
Eg Libra Sep24 to Oct23 etc. Now the phases of the signs are differeft so 
really you aren't your real sign.

Does that make sense?


Simon

    I am not an astrologist, but I have read alot of books and done a few
    charts. It is my understanding that your Sun sign is who you are and
    Your rising sign is what you project to others. I am a Virgo with my
    moon in Cancer and my Rising sign is Scorpio (great mud, eh!) The only
    fire sign I have is Venus in Leo. (Well, if I was going to have only
    *one* fire sign, I am rather delighted that it is in my Venus) (grin)
    
    My question is this -> Is my understanding of the Rising sign accurate?
    
    Thank you,
    
    Serenity Starbright