Conference hydra::dejavu

    I agree with you. Often has been the times when I have felt the
    same way. So let's get to it.
    
    I belive that the psycic abilities lie within us all. As, by anyones
    definition, we are of God, and if we extrapolate furthur, all
    metaphysics, at some time, lead to God, we, therefore have all the
    abilities. All we need to do is learn how to ask for them. I have
    expierenced regressions, reading auras, reading Tarot, etcetera.
    I have concluded that, while fascinating, it really doesn't matter.
    What matters is the Here, the Now. What we are doing with the Life
    we have been given. Not what happen 1200 years ago or what might
    happen in three months if we select a particular path.
    
    The solution is that we have been given a particular path to follow.
    It really doesn't matter what our karamas were, are or what they
    could be. Just concentrate on the present, for that's all we really
    have.
    
    --Love

    Re .0  (Bruce):
    
    >i like to have fun as much as anybody, and i hate facist notefiles,
    >but can't anybody here _stick to the topic?_  or are we just
    >notefile junkies who can't stand not having anything to say?
     
    Well, that's a trap of notes.  It's especially hard for a newcomer;
    as an old-timer, though, I've got to add that some of these subjects
    have been covered in earlier notes, and so we all, alas, occasionally
    are a bit blase.  However, often aftyer a near rathole, we get back
    on the subject.
    
    Maybe it's just a way we're all training each other to have more
    patience. :-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    RE.0
    
    Bruce, I see your point.  Thank you for speaking out (next time
    don't wait so long!)  
    
    Though I can't guarantee my lack of participation when something
    strikes me as particularly funny, I will try to keep in mind that 
    there are others who may not share in my amusement and will move 
    the ensuing discussion to another note if requested to do so.  
    
    Cindy

    A universally acceptable solution might be to enter in the note
    or reply title an indication that the content is less than pertinent,
    (impertinent?).  Eg:  ;-)  ,    :-}   , etc., so those of us
    on the periphery ofthe net could choose only the meat of the
    discussion.  It may be that a facility exists within notes to
    extract all the NEXT/UNSEEN notes into an RMS file on your system
    which you can then peruse at a speed limited only by your terminal
    and system capability, then delete the file for space.
    
    There is also a utility called AVN, for which a notesfile exists
    at YUPPIE::AVN.  I havn't looked closely at it, but it apparently
    automates notes perusal while you use your terminal for other
    things.  Myself, I think humor and mental free-association are
    vital to enabling our capabilities beyond those imposed by the
    demands of physical survival...IE; food-shelter-air-water.  If
    we are restricted by outside demands, our creativity is impaired.
    Many times I've stumbled over a frivoulous remark during some real
    head-banging troubleshooting which resulted in a fresh and successful
    appraoch.  I currently read notes while watching TV and reading
    the newspaper at home in between assaults by the children and pets,
    so there are other things to fill the net-access vacancies.  If
    you have to go to work to read notes, I'm sure it curtails your
    enjoyment to read 'junk notes', but the alternative is arbitrary
    restriction.  I read DEJAVU because I never know what I'll find,
    and it constantly jolts my left-brain ruminations..........MWR
    

    I find that I am nearly as interested in the people who participate
    in this conference as I am in the subject mater of the conference
    itself.  I think that is why I enjoy even the digressions.
    
    Marion

    	I've always found DEJAVU to be a place where I can freely
    	express myself without fear of alienation (or am I already 
    	an alien? oops, I digress!) or bashingly negative retribution 
    	and/or challenges.  If I need to share an experience, I do.  
	If I need to ask someone a question in response to a reply 
	they made, which may or may NOT specifically pertain to the 
	base note, I do, usually so I can clarify my perception of 
	their belief or experience.  And in the same vein, if I feel 
	the need to make a less than completely serious comment, I 
    	do.  Each situation is a different type of expression for me.

	I've said it before in the "DEJAVU Etiquette" topic, if we
	can't have fun here, where so many of us share some extremely
	personal doctrines and events, where can we??  And because of
	what is shared here, I feel closer to some of the people in 
	this conference who I've never met face to face than I do to 
	most people I see every day.  Many of my conversations are via
	MAIL, but if something entered here strikes me as humorous I 
    	don't feel I should be denied the expression of humor, as long 
    	as that humor is done positively and doesn't hurt anybody.
    
    	The most beautiful aspect of DEJAVU and DEJAVU'ers is the
	freedom to express individuality -- of ideas, beliefs,
	experiences, and yes <gasp> even humor.

    	I completely agree with .5, the people in this conference are 
	just as interesting as the topics themselves.  If we start 
	getting into who can say what and where they can say it, I'm
	afraid we'll take away the very essence of DEJAVU.  As Alan
	correctly pointed out in a separate topic, we can't all become 
	moderators.  (Unless Dave wants us to!!!)
    
    	I'm here to learn about Psychic Phenomena, no question about 
	that.  But I'm also here to learn about what *MAKES* psychic 
	phenomena possible on this plane of existence.  People.
    
						Carla
    

re: .6

Hey man, like I'm the moderator of the "ungrateful living" conference also
and like there are some really nice people in there even if we do speak
in gibberish.

re: .7

Even though not everyone has moderator privileges, we are *all* moderators
of DEJAVU.  At least as much as you want to be.  We *all* have responsiblity
for DEJAVU.  There is no one person in charge.

		Dave

    	Dave,
    
    	Please know I wasn't trying to place all the responsibility
    	onto you -- I agree that we ALL have a responsibility to
    	maintain the integrity and focus of this conference.  What 
    	I meant was that there are few topics that stick *totally* 
    	to the subject of the base note, and if we all run around 
    	looking to criticize and nit about the content of each topic 
    	rather than contributing and receiving what we can, that is 
    	going to take away from what *I* think DEJAVU is all about,
    	which is sharing.
    
    	From what I've read, nobody starts randomly talking about 
    	something without that something being referenced at some 
    	point in that particular topic.  It's just a natural flow 
    	of conversation.
    
    	(And now I think I'll bow out of here for a while until my 
    	heart remembers how to communicate with my brain again.)
    
    					Carla
    

    
    Peck's definition of community:
    
    COMMUNITY - "A group that has learned to fight gracefully."
        
    Well done!
            
    (;^)

    RE. .4
  >    It may be that a facility exists within notes to
  >  extract all the NEXT/UNSEEN notes into an RMS file on your system
  >  which you can then peruse at a speed limited only by your terminal
  >  and system capability, then delete the file for space.



	For those who don't already have tools for doing
 batch extracts of notes let me suggest the following...

  Two .com files for batch extraction and batch replies...
 can be obtained by doing 

	$copy video::user$7:[osman.comfiles]mail_vaxnotes.com *
	$copy video::user$7:[osman.comfiles]write_note.com *

	Mr. Osman,the author, has made these available to the Net.

  If you have problems copying these files let me know and I'll
  mail them to you.

 To use these files...

	$Submit mail_vaxnotes /param="entry=dejavu"

		( or just define a keypad key to the whole line)

  10-15 minutes later you'll recieve a mail message containing
 all new notes. If you read something that you wish to reply to type
 
	MAIL> spawn @write_note

 this will ask you for a conference and note number to reply to
and put you into the editor. when through it returns you to mail
where you can continue reading. The actual reply is sent in
the background(batch).
	
-------------------

 I also have another file ENOTES.COM which extracts all unseen
 notes from all conferences within a specified directory class
 
 the extracted notes are put in a dated  TMP file on your system
 which you can print,type,edit/read,delete, whatever....

 This com file also resubmits itself to rerun at 6:00 am every day

 If anyone wants/needs this file I'll be happy to mail it to you

    
    As to eliminating humor and ratholes... 
                                               
    
    Actually I enjoy them..and would hate to see it go away, so I
    have a suggestion..
    
    	How about a self imposed limit of ....   3
           
    	this allows
    
    	 one witty remark,
         a snappy comeback,
    	 and someone else's two cents

    If you find youself about to enter number four .. restrain yourself 
      ( unless it's really good )
    If the digression is something that interests you.. start a new note.
    
     The alternatives of chaos or stuffy restrictions, seem to go against
     everything this conference is about.
      brien
                                           
    
    
    
                                                  

I have to agree with Bruce, if some of these notes ever get back on
topic I won't find out about it because I become bored by the discussion
of chocolate (of which I'm not terribly fond) or dave barry (of which I am
fond). 

Some humor is nice, but some of the discussions seem to me to be more
just person interaction, which is ok too in moderation, but sometimes
I feel like I'm just eaves dropping on a private party. I'm one of
those people who don't say something unless I feel I really have something
to contribute and as I don't have alot of time to read notes if someone else
has come close to my view I don't enter anything. So it bugs me that when I'm 
trying to find out about time travel I have to have a discussion of dessert 
thrust in my eyes. 

If you want to discuss dave barry or chocolate or any other such thing
please do, but start a separate note so that I can next unseen without
missing some relevant reply to the topic that might occurs 10 or 12 notes down.

Thanks,

vicki

    Re .13 (Vicki):
                                                     
>...........................................................but sometimes
I feel like I'm just eaves dropping on a private party.  ...
    
    But it _is_!  It's "private" among us DEJAVUers.  Aren't you glad
    you're attending? :-)
    
> ............................................. it bugs me that when I'm 
>trying to find out about time travel I have to have a discussion of dessert 
>thrust in my eyes. 
 
    Somewhat valid criticism (I'm no chocoholic either, and while I
    don't hate it, I doubt if I'd miss it if I never had any again),
    but you're surely at liberty to steer back the conversation anytimew
    you want, via a reply.
    
    However, I think that if the whole response is going to be a total
    tangent, this might be reflected in the response title with an
    appropriate icon.    [ my suggestion:  |^b ]
    
    Then if you wish, you could KP3 top the next response.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    O.K. how about we start a complete topic for inane ratholes ( either
    to deposit your ramblings into or for the moderator to shift tangents
    out of otherwise serious discussions ) ? Fellow browsers of Philosophy
    will be familiar with the Breakfast Club.
    
    Then we can have the lighter sides of the conversations and avoid
    a bit of frustration...
    
    Completely Seriously,
    
    Dave.

    
    Dave,
    
    There is a topic here called "Wild Theory Of The Week", or something
    close to this.  There is also "Across A Crowded Room" here in case
    you missed it. 
    
    Cindy

    Not too mention wild fantasies on being a cake or an
    animal...since I entered those base notes, feel free
    to jump right in and go off on a tangent! (if you 
    were a tangent....?)
    
                    Deb
    
    

    Wait you guys!!! What was the question?
    
    cheese?

    1. When a topic branches off to a new clearly defined subject (e.g.,
    a discussion of UFOs coming out of a discusion of past lives) than
    it is clearly worth starting a new topic.  I think you will find
    many cases of this.
    
    2.  When a response to a previous note is apprapos -- even though
    humerous -- it belongs right there.  We would all like all replies
    to be only the type of reply we are interested in, whether in content
    or in tone, but a public forum means that for all of us there will
    be chaff with the wheat.  One person's chaff, though, is another's
    wheat (how's that for mixing old saws?).
    
    3.  We should keep in mind the base topic whenever replying and
    try to keep from wandering from the "main path" too far for two
    long.  I think that this has to be left up to the people doing the
    posting, however, for this conference to continue its refreshing
    informality.
    
    4.  People should be using mail (generally via the SEND/AUTHOR command)
    more.  Public thank-you's, expressions of support, appreciation
    of humor, etc. should generally go through mail, unless there is
    a reason why you think everyone should read it.
    
    5.  I strongly recommend the utility program (not just the .COM
    file) called ENOTES.  Information can be found in the conference
    DECWET::ENOTES.  It is a command line type interface to notes. 
    It is handy for searching, extracting, etc. non-interactively. 
    I use it all the time to find relevant notes, move all unseen notes
    to text files etc.  If you are reading this interactively then
    hitting KP7 should add this conference to your notebook for you
    to look over (if you are *not* reading this note interactively than
    you may not need it -- but then again you may).
    
    						Topher
    

    note 605.19 was deleted per request of the author.
    
    	- Bill Keefe (moderator)