Conference hydra::dejavu

I feel that there is always someone who thinks that the world is going to end 
soon.  I don't put much faith in our definition of "soon" but I do believe the 
world will end "soon" according to geological time...a few thousand years, 
maybe.  We know enough to know that other suns explode/become dwarfs incapable 
of supporting/sustaining life on any of the revolving planets.  It appears from 
this "Universal evidence" that our sun is good for a while yet (Topher, have 
you heard any dates?  I think in Elementary School I heard it was something 
like two thousand years away but I'll be darned if I can remember).

    Re:1,2
    
       Read St. Matthew 24:3-51  (KJV)
    
      "But of THAT day and hour knoweth NO MAN, no, not the angels of
    heaven, but my father only".
    
    LORENZO
    

    Re .1 (Meredith):
    
>....... We know enough to know that other suns explode/become dwarfs incapable 
>of supporting/sustaining life on any of the revolving planets.  It appears from 
>this "Universal evidence" that our sun is good for a while yet (Topher, have 
>you heard any dates?
 
    From my understanding, the Sun has between 5 to 10 billion years
    to go before going nova or equivalent catastrophe.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.       

re: .0

The world ends for many, many people each day.  There area as many theories
about the end of the world as there are stars in the sky (well, maybe not
thay many...).  There's much that points to the end of this millenium as
being significant.  What that will be who knows, and frankly, why waste
time (now) worrying about it.  See Cindy's note on the 'School of Life'
(1004 I think).  If one spends their time and energy worrying about 'then'
they will find themselves repeating lessons that could have been learned
if their energy was directed to 'now'.  Heck, if the end is a possibility,
then if we did focus on 'now' we could change the outcome 'then'.

Also, take a look at the book, _The Unknown Man_ by someone whose name
starts with Y (oriental).  It will give you a different outlook, if you
would like to explore other possiblities.

Terry

RE: .1
    
    As far as the Sun is concerned -- it should be good for at least a
    billion years or so, probably much longer.  It's smallish and won't
    do anything spectacular like blow up, it'll just very slowly cool.
    
    I don't think that there is anything in science to predict the end of
    the world as likely for a very long time -- although there is some
    things, e.g., the greenhouse effect, which if you are pessimistic
    about might spell the end of our civilization.  And of course, nuclear
    war *could* wipe out most life (but probably not, and almost certainly
    not *all* life).
    
    						Topher

    They were talking about the end of material life (to most but not
    all). The earth will still be here but you would not recognize it.
    The Earth will tilt on its axis again. It is now 23 and 1/3 degrees.
    The Polar icecaps will melt and the big cities on the coasts will
    be gone. We will have a new north and south pole. What was once
    above water will now be underwater. Its like atlantsis. We maybe
    blew it again and you will have another chance. I think something
    like this can happen but who knows when. They said there will be
    safe places but they would not say where. 

    
    	Often psychic predictions may be accurate, but putting the
    right date on the prediction may be hard.   All too often I
    recieve information like "this is happening *now*!" but then
    it takes months or years to come about.   I have wondered if this
    is because the part of the subconscious mind that does predictions
    is separate from the part of the mind that keeps track of time.
    
    	Almost every generation believes it's own time to be the
    "end times".   People in 1000 AD believed the world would end
    then.   It appears the roundness of the number may lead people to
    inappropriate conclusions.   Swedenborg wrote a couple of hundred
    years ago saying that his generation was the "end times" too!
    The myth of "the end times" has a universal, archetypal appeal, 
    that everyone can project on their own experience.   Perhaps this
    is how religious symbols keep their validity over many generations.
    
    	I do, however, believe that severe changes are immanent,
    with the planet's ecology, as well as in society.   Many bodies
    of prophecy exist, and they may give us some useful information
    in preparing for the future.   There are a lot of inconsistencies
    to sort through though;   Some recent prophetic books I have read 
    point at 1998, 1993 or 2000 as the year of *the* change.    I 
    found none of the date predictions more plausible than any other.

    	After reading many of these predictions I made my own stab at
    prophecy in 619.40.   I didn't, however, include any specific dates.
    Since then I have found evidence to support my predictions, and
    other evidence that seems to refute them.   I still believe that
    prediction to be true however, and if I find reason to change my
    mind I would post a retraction...   
    
    	Yet, one does not need to be a prophet to predict end-of-the-
    world type changes in this day and age.   A mere curve fitting
    program can supply all the dire prophecies one might be able to
    handle.   The population curve, the rate of species extinction,
    the rate of forest cutting and burning, the rate of weapons
    development...   I have seen that many such curve fitting projections
    seem to skyrocket in an exponential fashion in the 1990's.
    
    	I believe we are in for an incredibly turbulent decade.
    But not the end of the world.   
    
    	I predict   ;^)  that people in the year 3000 will be wondering 
    if *that* year is the "end times".
    
							Alan.

>    From my understanding, the Sun has between 5 to 10 billion years
>    to go before going nova or equivalent catastrophe.

Danka, Steve; when I was in elementary school, 5 to 10 thousand years felt much 
the same as 5 to 10 billion...either way, I hadn't really expected to be there!
;-) 

"Mommy," a friend's child asked, "Did they have electicity when you were a 
little girl?" %^\

Quote from Lazaris:  (From memory)

Lazaris:
	You create you own reality, totally and completely,  there are 
	no exceptions.

visitor:
	Yes, I know that.  When is the earthquake going to come?

Lazaris:
	But your create your own reality.

visitor:
	Yes, I know, but when is the earthquake going to come?

Lazaris:
	Did you heard what I said?  You create your own reality,  if you want
	earthquake you will create it.

-Darryl

    Reply to .0,
    
    GREAT! I can have two or three more end of the world parties. B^) 

    	I'm glad to see the healthy dose of skepticism about this ;^)
    
    For a very interesting, first-hand account of the inner workings
    of a group predicting the end of the world (studied by profs and
    students posing as believers) you could read _When_Prophesy_Fails_
    by Festinger, et al.
    
    As long as people keep predicting the end of our world, some day
    one of them will probably be right.   But then again, s/he won't
    be able to tell me "I told you so"
    
    KC
    

    
    For some interesting ideas concerning the new-and-improved end of
    the world, talk to the moderator(s) of Catholic-Theology and see
    about getting membership their.  The Roman Catholic Church of modern
    times is notoriously reluctant to accept "visitations" as real,
    doesn't much go for apocalyptic prophesy (sp?), etc.
    
    But interestingly, there have been a series of events (supposed
    apparitions of the Blessed Virgin in Medjugorge, Yugoslavia; the
    "secret letter" of Fatima, supposely revealed to the Pope in 1960,
    and made public in 1980) that have led many Catholic leaders to
    think that God's pleased with some of our advancements, but kinda
    bumming about other things, and that very rough times are ahead
    for humanity (not end of the world, but certainly very severe
    conditions).
    
    I have to go, but I'll input more on this subject when I get a chance.
    I have heard it said - and I'll call it a rumor, since I haven't
    seen it carried on AP or anything - that the Pope, in the early
    1980's, said that the Church is preparing for very serious and very
    dangerous times.  This is also a favorite them for EWTN, the Catholic
    Cable Network.  It is somewhat disconcerting when a bastion of
    skepticism and fear of change starts sounding like a bizarre
    fundamentalist religion, isn't it?  Makes you almost start to wonder
    if there might be something to it.....

    
    As announced in the CHRISTIAN conference.......
    
    Post Rapture Party at my house (or if you live closer to Mikie then
    go to his house).  I'll have champagne and chocolate truffles on
    hand.  
                               
    Cindy

Post-rapture...what an uplifting thought! I'll bring some nice mussels 
baked in wine.  ;^)

Perry

    Great! I'll bring cream cheese and bagels...

       
    Hi Mikie - raisin cinnamon bagels please.  They're my favorite!
    
    Thanks, GB.
    
    Cindy

    
    Like most people, I'm pretty skeptical about this "end of the world"
    stuff. 
    On the other hand, I read "The Late Great Planet Earth" and 
    "Countdown To Armageddon" (as in "Armageddon outa here!") and Lindsey
    brings up some interesting parallels between the Bible and current
    events. He cites things like the rebirth of Israel and then points
    out a place in Scripture where it SUPPOSEDLY says this will take
    place just before "The End". Curious. 
    Any discussion here?

    Reply to .176, Chaplain,
    
    I read the Hal Lindsey Stuff too. Can't say I place much real trust
    in his stuff.
    
    He is a good writer though so beware of good salesmen...

       Don't worry. I'll be the first one to know when the world's going
    to come to an end. I'll be happy and won't want it to. Right now
    I'm miserable and wouldn't mind, which is a steel-clad guarantee
    it won't. :^)

    
    	   Edgar Cayce made some interesting predictions regarding 
    	sever global changes that are supposed to happen before 
    	the year 2000.  Some of the things that were predicted
    	were CA into the ocean, much of the western US back under
    	water, and a few other "major" changes.  It's been a while
    	since I've read it so I don't remember all of it.  
    
    	   His's predictions were of great change but not total
    	distruction as he foresaw his reincarnation in the early
    	part of the 21st century.  Interesting reading.
    
    	   Vicki
    

    
    
                                 MWR
    
    

    Could not the end of one thing be the beginning of something of
    another.  When one talks of the end of the world, might that not
    refer to the end of the world order as we know it?  In that case
    it could be expected that the world order that came to an end would
    be replaced by a New World Order.  
    
    		Just some food for thought.....
    
    			  Ron	

    ... ends *every* day.
    
    					Topher

    Re.22 (Matthews)
     
    Ron,
    
    Yes indeed.  I believe it is what is referred to as the 'New Age'.
    Not the marketing ploys, etc., but a change in thinking, a change
    in living, changes in theology, and so on.  A world where truly
    'loving thy neighbor as thyself' is practiced as a matter of course.
                    
    We have a ways to go, however I believe we will get there.  It's
    up to you and me though.  'Peace begins with me.'
    
    Cindy
    

    Reply to .24, Cindy,
    
    Don't look now but some others are calling it the Aeon of Horus.

    There isn't any evidence that all life will end. Surely we can see
    that over eons some life has ended and some has begun. Where are
    the believers in "dejavu"? Hasn't this happened before?
    
    Does anyone have any different evidence than our ancestors discovered
    in 1914 to the effect that WWI was the "war to end all war"? They
    were wrong just as the Normans in 1066, or the Israelites' belief
    that they were secure in the destruction of the Philistines.
    
    Life is a persian carpet that none understand except the weaver.
    How presumptuous to ponder the end.
    
    							Spuds
    

             
Re:     
Note 1009.25    Mikie?              

    
>    Don't look now but some others are calling it the Aeon of Horus.
 
    Now who could that be?????
    
    

Every moment, I am living and dying.

Even my cells are being born and passing away.  Your whole body is
regenerated every 7 years.  We are not so solid as we think.  Sounds,
smells, tastes, thoughts, feeling, sights arise and fall every moment.
This is where life takes place.

john

    Re.24 (Painter)
    
    Cindy,
    
    	In the Philosophy Notes you started a topic on World Peace.
     I posted a rather lengthy reply to that topic that expresses my
    sentiments on World Peace far better than I would be able to in
    my own words.  
    
    I share your hope and optimism that we will get There and we do,
    indeed, have a very long way to go.
    
    				Ron

    
    Re.29 (Matthews)
    
    Hi Ron,
    
    I haven't been in the Philosophy conference in a very long time.  
    If you feel it appropriate to share your reply here, please do.  
    I'm definitely interested in reading it.
              
    Cindy

    
    Oops - forgot - that same topic first appeared here under "Religions
    and World Peace" - probably note 454 or thereabouts.
    
    Cindy

    RE: -.1, -.2
    
    It is note 457.  I just happened to be reading it.
    
    (It's all your fault, Cindy. :-) )
    
    
    Guy