Conference hydra::dejavu

    I watch that show, and I really like it.  Some episodes are definately
    more spooky than others, but they always keep my interest.
    
    The one that I especially liked was at the beginning of last month,
    when the girl was abducted by the UFO - that one gave me shivers
    towards the end when the little boy and his mother put all of his pages 
    together and they made a picture of his sister!  I still get the
    chills!
    
    Glad to see someone else watches it too!
    Barb

    I've been watching it regularly, missed it last week, but I've already
    seen the girl-abducted-by-UFO episode, so maybe it was a repeat.
    
    I especially enjoy the little date/location blurbs when the scene
    changes, they lend it an air of authenticity. This is so well done, I 
    often wonder if there's some real FBI story it's based on, albeit 
    loosely. Someone in the UFO notesfile did say so, but they didn't 
    provide any details, so I don't know where they heard it.
    
    
    Marilyn

    
    I like it too for various reasons. One being that it uses a pretty
    standard whodunit approach to convey the unexplained. I like the roles
    of Moulder (sp) vs. Sculley , he's more of the believer , she's the 
    sceptic.
    I think that SIGHTINGS which it replaced was a bit too heavy for many 
    people to grasp even though I thought it was great program. 
    But X-Files , Good program. I tape/watch it every week too
    They've covered some great topics, I wonder what they're coming up with
    for future episodes !?
    
    /todd
     

    I've rather enjoyed it also, though a little more care with writing and
    pacing, and a bit lighter touch on the "dramatic touches" (odd camera
    angles, overly dramatic music, etc) to show you when you are supposed
    to feel the tension the plot/acting/cutting fail to produce, would
    improve it quite a bit.  Lapses in internal logic are also annoying.

    I just hope nobody thinks that these are attempting in any way to stick
    particularly close to their inspirations.  The "Jersey Devil"
    (transformed into a "Pine Barrens Bigfoot") bore little resemblance to
    the traditional legend of the child of Mrs. (Miss?) Leeds, born nine
    months after she cursed God and praised the Devil, which forceably
    suckled itself just after its birth then escaped through the window
    into the swamp, there to cause serious mischief every few years for the
    next 200 years.

				    Topher

    X-Files is cute.  I enjoyed several of the episodes.  It gets a little
    hokey in spots, but certainly better done than most of what has come
    before.   The lead characters are better developed 'believers' and 
    'skeptics' than I would have expected from that sort of show, and
    sometimes even have some intelligent dialog and problem solving.
    
    re: _Sightings_
    
    I didn't care for sightings.  Seemed like all teasers and never any
    substance.  They'd do things like present several minutes of very
    unconventional intepretations of an apparent haunting or UFO sighting,
    and then for contrast, present some 'skeptic' who would imply that
    all sightings were the result of atmostpheric disturbances and
    hallucinations.  Presumably, these were the only two alternatives.
    
    They never had the folks with opposing interpretations actually discuss the
    _same_incident_, never provided any really intelligent evaluation of 
    particular case studies by researchers.  Mostly following around
    'ghost buster' types with cameramen who seem to do that sort of
    investigation as a hobby.
    
    Occasional teasers of real interest.   But that's just my own taste.
    I tend to like a little more detail.  
    
    
    						kind regards,
    
    						todd

    
    	Well I thought I might be the first to bring a note of criticism to
    the topic but I see Topher beat me to it. (And tastefully  done I might
    add).
    	I'll throw my observations out there anyway.
    First I want to say that I do like the show.  But some things bother me
    about it.  I like Maulder. He plays the part well. It's Skully I have a
    problem with.  I mean after what she has been through and seen over
    the past month or so you would think she would start coming around to
    Maulder's way of thinking.  After she comes in and sees a guy floating
    in mid air being strangle by some unseen force and then she acts like
     it was just a routine siezure I feel like shouting "GET A CLUE!!"
    
    	Then there is the storylines.  Is it my imagination or was last
    weeks episode about the scientists finding some alien creature buried
    beneath the ice in the Artic slightly reminiscence of the SCI-FI movie
    entitled "The Thing"?
    
    	Coincidence, you say?  Isolated incident, you say?   Hmmmm?
    
    	Then how about the week before?  The only thing missing from that
    episode was Jeff Bridges getting shrunk down and going inside the
    computer that was gaining inteligence and turning on the people like
    the one in the SCI-FI movie "TRON"!!
    
    	Like I said, I do like the show. It beats the heck out of that
    Sightings with it's hokey pieces of dramatic acting thrown in when they
    would go to a house that was supposed to be haunted and couldn't find
    anything!! (Gotta meet the filming deadline, so lets MAKE something
    happen!)  I just hope the storylines start getting a little more
    original.  
    
    	As with my base note, comment is always invited.....
    
    
    
    -=Dave=-
    
    

    Re -1
    
    Actually, I have the same criticism of Scully's character, but I guess
    that with only 2 people in the "X" unit, or whatever it is, I guess one 
    has to be the skeptic. 
    
    I did like the way they gave a reason for Maulder's obsession in the
    episode with the girl-abducted-by-UFO. It seems his sister was also 
    abducted by a UFO when they were both kids, and he was paralyzed and 
    unable to stop it.
    
    My real "beef" is the stupid way they sometimes behave, a "real" FBI
    agent would never enter rooms where potentially dangerous people might
    be without having their guns drawn, yet these two do it routinely.
    
    It's better than "Sightings" though, I'll keep watching it.
    
    
    Marilyn 

RE: .5 (Todd on Sightings)

    The show started out fairly well.  While it was clearly an advocacy
    show, they were clear that that was what they were, presented
    reasonable cases, and gave viewers some idea of what the reasonable
    alternatives were.  It was well received.  Unfortunately, according to
    some inside sources (whose accuracy I cannot attest to) the network
    said "If it is doing so well with such a dull approach, think how well
    it would do with a lot of sensationalism".  Whether or not that is
    true, it is certainly how things looked.  After a month or two it
    suddenly took a nosedive in quality -- although every once in a while a
    reasonable story would be inserted.

    As a specific example of the problems (and as a caution in the
    statement about "'ghost buster' types") I'll cite a case in which Bill
    Roll and Dean Radin (who is currently President of the
    Parapsychological Association) were brought in on a case.  They
    investigated and decideded that while there were some hints of
    something interesting, reasonable investigation was completely
    virtually impossible.  This was because most of the claims were based
    on the reports of someone who, in their opinion, was suffering more
    from a severe, not formally diagnosed, seizure disorder -- which was
    the source of most of his experiences (of course, an actual diagnosis
    would require detailed medical work -- but they judged that the
    probability was too high that it would be positive for the man's reports
    to be taken at face value).  They therefore recommended to Sightings
    that the whole case be dropped.

    Instead Sightings sent in a local psychic to get impressions
    (apparently neither Dean nor Bill were particularly impressed by the
    impressions).  Shots of Dean and Bill were intercut with pronouncements
    by the psychic.  Not a word of Dean was included -- only his face
    peering intently at some instruments.  Some comments of Bill's were
    taken out of context.  The overall impression that the viewers got was
    that Dean and Bill were endorsing what the psychic was saying.

    Other investigators which Sightings used on a regular basis, though
    perhaps a little too credulous in my opinion, are much better, more
    thorough investigators than Sightings made them appear.

				    Topher

RE: .6 (Dave)

>    It's Skully I have a problem with.  I mean after what she has been
>    through and seen over the past month or so you would think she would
>    start coming around to Maulder's way of thinking.  After she comes in
>    and sees a guy floating in mid air being strangle by some unseen force
>    and then she acts like it was just a routine siezure I feel like
>    shouting "GET A CLUE!!"

    The problem that Skully's obstinate skepticism would quickly wear thin
    was evident from the first show.  They recognized that they needed the
    contrast of opinions with a skeptical viewpoint presented by a
    sympathetic character, but continued, unbudging skepticism in the face
    of repeated dramatic evidence of the paranormal makes her progressively
    less sympathetic.  Her courage and personal support of Maulder, and her
    willingness to let him prove or disprove his case will carry her for a
    while -- but only for a while.

    There is a way out for the producers without losing the key interaction
    or being untrue to the characters.  Skully can become convinced of the
    reality of the paranormal in general, but still insist that each case
    must be proven on its own.  Then Skully can present the skeptical
    viewpoint effectively as the case develops, but then honestly be able
    to say to Mualder "Now I'm convinced!" at the end.  Mualder can be
    protrayed as a little too quick to accept the paranormal explanation of
    events, while Skully can keep him "grounded" -- insisting that he do
    the necessary legwork.

    For this to work, though, they will have to let Skully be right several
    times each show, and even, occasionally at the outcome.  Every once in
    a while, the lake monster will have to turn out to be a hoax after all.
    I'm not sure that producers have the courage for this, though.
    
>    	Then there is the storylines.  Is it my imagination or was last
>    weeks episode about the scientists finding some alien creature buried
>    beneath the ice in the Artic slightly reminiscence of the SCI-FI movie
>    entitled "The Thing"?

    When I saw the previews it was pretty obvious that it was going to be
    "The Thing".  While I was not mistaken, I thought they did a pretty
    good job with the theme with some nicely done changes.  (They also drew
    some minor inspiration from other sources -- for example, "The Blob"
    and "Return of the Blob")  I think that it was intended more as homage
    than as rip-off.  (No one will every, however, be able to match James
    Arness' role as "A kind of giant, animated carrot".  The original, is,
    despite the more primitive special effects, much better than the John
    Carpenter remake, IMHO.  If I am not mistaken, the plot was taken from
    a short story entitled "Who Goes There..." by John W. Cambell)

>    	Then how about the week before?  The only thing missing from that
>    episode was Jeff Bridges getting shrunk down and going inside the
>    computer that was gaining inteligence and turning on the people like
>    the one in the SCI-FI movie "TRON"!!

    Your citation is about a century late.  The base plot is Frankenstein.
    And of course Frankenstein was inspired by the Greek myth of Prometheus
    (it says so right in the original title "A Modern Prometheus").  The
    classic Jewish legend of the Golum is also relevant.  We are no longer
    impressed by Volta making the severed leg of a frog "jump" with
    electricity so turning the monster into a computer is an obvious one.
    In films, The Forbin Project, predates TRON by several years, and it
    was a common theme for science fiction literature throughout the
    sixties.

    All literature is derivative -- its what is done with the basic themes
    which makes or break it.

				    Topher

    
    
    What channel is this show on???

i believe the show's on the FOX network.

makes me remember the old "Nightstalker" series with Darren McGavin.
Now THAT was a great show!  Maybe I remember it as being so good because 
I was a kid (I'm 26) when it was on (first as a series, then on the 
CBS late night movies).  Does anyone remember this show?  McGavin's
character was a newspaper reporter; he had a Polish name I believe.
He had this great boss (editor), an Italian man, that doubted all of 
McGavin's run-ins with supernatural.  My favorite episodes was the 
female vampires.  That and the witches' coven episode.

Ahh, good ol' 70's programming.

--Angela

    
    I liked "Lost In Space", actually.  Definite realism there.  (;^)
    Especially Robot.
    
    Cindy

    Let's not forget the grandaddy of all these shows, the ever-popular
    "Twilight Zone".
    
    
    Marilyn

    I liked the show "Sixth Sense" with Gary Collins - gave me the willies
    every week, but I faithfully watched it.
    
    Barb

              <<< Note 1897.9 by CADSYS::COOPER "Topher Cooper" >>>
                             -< Various comments >-
    
    You make some good points. When I was making the comparisons to the
    movie plots I didn't mean that they stole them word for word.  And I do
    like the show because (one of the reasons) they do a good job with the
    storylines that they have.
    
    }}less sympathetic.  Her courage and personal support of Maulder, and her
    }}willingness to let him prove or disprove his case will carry her for a
    }}while -- but only for a while.
    
      	I agree, but I think the while is just about up.
    
    }}There is a way out for the producers without losing the key interaction
    }}or being untrue to the characters.  Skully can become convinced of the
    }}reality of the paranormal in general, but still insist that each case
    }}must be proven on its own.  Then Skully can present the skeptical
    
    	This would be ok.  I offer another view.
    
    	It may be my imagination, but it appears to me that they are
    creating a definate attraction between Maulder and Skully.  So why not
    turn the two characters into one?  Skully finally becomes convinced and
    not so skeptical about the paranormal. She takes Maulder's side in the
    issues and then every time they come across the people, i.e. local town
    police officers, members of other F.B.I. divisions, etc... that don't
    believe him (or her) they at least have a partner to back them up.
    Maulder would be the more strongly convicted one so they could still
    have some little tiffs between them but for the most part they would
    work as a team. (Like they are supposed to.)
    
    }}In films, The Forbin Project, predates TRON by several years, and it
    }}was a common theme for science fiction literature throughout the
    }}sixties.
    
    	Where did the movie Colosus, which was another on the same theme,
        fit into the time frame here?  Before or after Forbin Project?
    	Just wondering.
    
    -=Dave=-
    
    

RE: .16 (Dave)

>    }}In films, The Forbin Project, predates TRON by several years, and it
>    }}was a common theme for science fiction literature throughout the
>    }}sixties.
>    
>    	Where did the movie Colosus, which was another on the same theme,
>        fit into the time frame here?  Before or after Forbin Project?
>    	Just wondering.

    It fit rather closely.  The full title was "Colosus: The Forbin
    Project".  As I remember it, Colosus was the name of the computer built
    by a government sponsored program called the Forbin Project.

				    Topher

RE: .16 (Dave)

>    turn the two characters into one?  Skully finally becomes convinced and
>    not so skeptical about the paranormal. She takes Maulder's side in the
>    issues and then every time they come across the people, i.e. local town
>    police officers, members of other F.B.I. divisions, etc... that don't
>    believe him (or her) they at least have a partner to back them up.

    And you were the one complaining about the lack of originality in the
    scripts.

    One of the things that makes this show interesting and original is that
    they did not use the tried and true formula of a single person/team
    battling completely alone against the suppresive and repressive
    establishment.  They *do* make use of that, but, by presenting an
    ongoing, sympathetic character who presents a *reasonable* level of
    intellectual conservatism they flesh out that shallow hackneyed theme. 
    Furthermore they show two people who disagree and not only are able to
    work together, but make use of there contrasting viewpoints to make a
    stronger team than it would have been otherwise.  They are supportive
    of one another and even affectionate. If that affection blossums into
    something more (which would be implausible I think, in real life, but
    is probably totally inevitable given the American TV and movie
    industries' resistance to long term cross-sex friendship unless one or
    the other character is protrayed as a total, if sympathetic loser.  The
    antipathy for such relationships is almost as strong as the antipathy
    for same-sex love), than the message would be reinforced.  I can't
    remember such a clearly dilineated contrasting partnership on an
    ongoing basis since Spock and McCoy -- and they needed an intermediary,
    and rarely spoke directly to each other except in jibes.

				    Topher

    I also really like the program, except I've missed a couple. 
    I did think the final blurb at the end of the "The Thing" episode was
    particularly thought provoking - what if there IS an alien virus of
    some sort under the ice somewhere? What if global warming DOES release
    it in the near future? Scary - perhaps even possible. 
    
    I've also noticed the attempt to draw audience - the TV Guide ads now
    have a big header across them "WARNING: DON'T WATCH IT ALONE!"
    Sort of like Record album warning labels :-).
    
    -Russ

             <<< Note 1897.18 by CADSYS::COOPER "Topher Cooper" >>>
                      -< Don't cut the heart out of it. >-
    
    }}One of the things that makes this show interesting and original is that
    }}they did not use the tried and true formula of a single person/team
    }}battling completely alone against the suppresive and repressive
    }}establishment.  They *do* make use of that, but, by presenting an
    
    	I disagree.  What we are seeing IS the "tried and true formula".
    You have two cops who work well together but have very different
    viewpoints.  I've seen it in most of the cop shows. From "Hunter" to
    (straining my memory on this one) "Starsky and Hutch".  The friendly
    conflict between the two is the support beam for the show.  If the plot
    is weak then they focus on the conflict and with a better, stronger
    plot then the strife between them fades into the background.
    
    }}ongoing, sympathetic character who presents a *reasonable* level of
    }}intellectual conservatism they flesh out that shallow hackneyed theme. 
    
    	A "reasonable level of intellectual conservatism"?  Who?  Skully? 
    This is a woman who is supposed to have a medical degree, which is what
    I would attribute SOME of her disbelief to, and yet when she tries to
    convince Maulder of her viewpoint she has all the depth of a three
    minute egg!
    
    	At any rate, it will be interesting to see the direction this show
    takes.  Also, with the American T.V. industry, it will probably be
    canceled before Christmas to make way for another talk show or game
    show.
    
    
    	-=Dave=-
    
    
    

    After reading this notes string, I tuned in the past weekend to see the
    program.  While I'll check out a few more episodes, my initial reaction
    to this past week's program is:  two thumbs DOWN.
    
    I have to agree with previous noter's criticisms, .4 (Topher) in
    particular, regarding quality of writing and lapses in logic.
    
    This past week's episode had to do with an astronaut being "taken over"
    by an alien life form while on an EVA (Apollo program, I think????),
    then coming back to earth and battling the internal parasite, who
    sabotages the space program.
    
    To me, there did not seem to be a clear explanation of what inquiry
    and action took place during and immediately after the EVA event, 
    which was witnessed via audio transmission by ground control, and
    I would assume by the other astronaut.
    
    Then, when the shuttle is more forceably attacked by the life form,
    there didn't seem to be enough panic/emotion on the part of the
    ground control folks, and lead players.  I would think that would be a 
    major event.  But, that's just me.
    
    There were also two elements of the show which I found especially
    upsetting (I use the word upsetting because I have not decided if I
    was angry or offended).  The first is the plot line where a decision
    is made regarding the safety of the shuttle crew, versus completion of
    a mission.  I realize that such a decision is real-life, but I find it
    hard to accept that after the Challenger murders, any NASA official
    would opt to take such a clear cut, serious risk to a crew.  Maybe
    I'm being too naive.
    
    The second element was the use of the Challenger O-ring along
    with some other "evidence" of sabotage.  To me, the Challenger was
    real, real people died.  To put it into a fictional TV show, to
    support a fictitious sabotage plot just didn't sit right with me.  
    But, again, it's just me.
    
    As mentioned earlier, I'll tune in a few more times, lest I be too
    hasty on just one episode.
    
    -Bill                      

    I saw the show, too. While I agree with your negative reaction on the 
    use of the real Challenger disaster tol end credence to the plot, I
    thought the rest of the action in Houston believable. As they stated in
    the show, a lot of people are only waiting for a slip-up on the part of 
    NASA and the shuttle to shut the space program down. While the loss of
    the craft and the astronauts, admittedly, would have done just that,
    the successful launch of the payload, and then rescuing the people
    inside would eliminate, or at least diminish the negativists. I think
    the press conference by the woman at mission control at the end,
    totally believable. They had been in real danger of losing her fiance,
    but at the end, she presented the mission as routine and "a complete
    success". Unfortunately (or may be not), I think there's a lot of problems 
    we're never told about.
    
    It wasn't my favorite episode, but I think it was OK.
    
    
    Marilyn 

    RE: the NASA show. I liked this one the least of all. The
    writers/producers obviously don't know how NASA works internally, know
    almost nothing about the shuttle itself, and let 2 almost unknown FBI
    agents begin advising the mission controllers on life and death
    technical decisions! I really lost it by the end when they are taking
    away the Astronaut and Scully starts telling the EMT's what drugs to
    use! Blah. I hope they start getting better scripts.
    
    -russ
     

    
    RE: .21 [Bill]
    
       }}"Challenger murders"......??
    
    	I hope this was a grammatical slip and not a Freudian one.
    	Or is that how you really feel about it?
    
    
    RE: .23 [Russ]
    
    	}}I really lost it by the end when they are taking
        }}away the Astronaut and Scully starts telling the EMT's what 
        }}drugs to use! 
    
    	It was established in the first episode that Skully is a fully
        degreed medical doctor who had chosen to work with the F.B.I.
    
    
    -=Dave=-
    
    

    DAVE:
    
    RE:  .24
    
    No slip of any kind.  Based on what I've heard and read about the
    tragedy, I call it murder.
    
    Bill  

    Scully's a doctor? Oops. Didn't catch that one. 
    
    Never mind. 

    >No slip of any kind.  Based on what I've heard and read about the
    >tragedy, I call it murder.
    
    You mean that they were intentionally killed? As in, someone
    deliberately made sure that they would die. Otherwise it is
    manslaughter through gross negligence.

    Jamie.

RE: .26

>    Scully's a doctor? Oops. Didn't catch that one. 
>
>    Never mind. 

    As I remember it, Scully was presented in the first show as a forensic
    psychologist.  There was an implication that she was "unofficially"
    to observe Mulder (sp?) to see if he was certifiable.  I don't think
    that it said that she was a psychiatrist (i.e., had an M.D.) but it
    is plausible.

					Topher

    RE:  .24 & .27,  Dave and Jamie
    
    Murder versus manslaughter versus negligent versus aforethought versus
    malice is precisely the issue.  
    
    The bottom line is it's over and done with.  NASA and the government
    have done their bureaucratic thing, and that's that.  NASA and life goes 
    on.
    
    Hopefully, lessons were learned, resulting in other lives being saved.
    From all appearances since,  NASA is the better for the experience.
        
    Would I go on a shuttle flight?  YES!!, especially if there was also
    the opportunity to interact with an ALF; assuming it wasn't the TV
    character - allergic to animal hair  ;-).
    
    -Bill 
    
    
    
     
    
     
      

    Re .29

    >Murder versus manslaughter versus negligent versus aforethought versus
    >malice is precisely the issue.  
    
    Ah I see, you were merely employing the word "murdered" as an attention
    getting device. Just to add impact to your statement, and now you are
    trying to say justify it by saying there is not much difference between
    the various terms as someone always ends up dead.

    Not a very precise method of communication.

    Jamie.

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--!2!--  Within the Realm of Extreme Possibility:  Creator CHRIS CARTER
                                                             on the X-FILES
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                                  by TJ Goldstein

     For a show that snuck up on everybody, X-FILES seems to be the sleeper
hit of the year.  Quietly, and with little promotion, it has staked out
its territory on Friday night and seems to be holding on, at least well enough 
to convince Fox to pick the show up for a full season..  We spoke to the 
creator and producer of the show by phone from Los Angeles shortly before 
X-FILES debuted.
     Chris Carter isn't a stranger to producing.  He's done some shows for
Disney, including THE NANNY, a 1/2 hour show he created for the Disney
Channel.  Despite all that, the nervous excitement came through in his voice.  
He sounds almost like a kid who has managed to pull the wool over the 
exectives' eyes, sneak into the studio, and produce what HE thinks television 
should be.
     It's easy to pin him down on what the show IS, but not what it's LIKE.
What it IS is an hour-long series that focuses on two Federal Bureau of
Investigation agents who investigate, as the name suggests, the "X-Files."
These are the files that the FBI has put aside because there simply is no
rational explanation, such as UFO abductions or other "unexplainable
phenomena."
     Fox "Spooky" Mulder is a Believer.  His sister was (he believes) the
victim of a UFO abduction when he was 12, and he has dedicated himself to
studying and hopefully solving the mysterious cases the Bureau doesn't want
to touch.  More than just a crank obsessed with UFO's, Mulder is trained in
psychology and science and merely insists on not discounting possibilities
simply because they don't fit in with preconceived notions of what is
possible and what is not.
     The Bureau, in order to keep an eye on him, sends in Agent Dana
Scully, a physician and devout skeptic.  She is more rational, but though
she rarely believes Mulder on the first try, she does at least have an open
mind -- most of the time.  She's more trusting of due process than Mulder,
and that can get them -- and the people they're trying to help -- into
trouble.  It's not to say that she's bumbling; not at all.  She is
intelligent and extremely competent.  She just doesn't always have as much
skepticism about the known reality as she does about the unknown.
     Naturally, since they are a man and a woman paired together, the first
thing people think is: romance.  Will they end up together on their own
time?  "No, it's a relationship that is much stronger and more passionate.
First of all I would call it a cerebral romance in that these characters
sort of delight in each other's approaches and it isn't the pat or standard
or expected television romance between them.  There is no physicality
between them.  I don't see it in the near future here.  They don't end up
in the sack together.  At least I don't see it happening yet.  I think it's
refreshing.  I mean I was raised on shows like THE AVENGERS which are smart
and the characters were very attractive for those aspects.  They didn't have 
to end up in bed together."
     The very creation of the show, in fact, was heavily influenced by Mr.
Carter's childhood television habits.  "I felt there wasn't anything scary
on television.  I loved the show NIGHT STALKER as a kid so when I was signed
to an exclusive contract by 20th Century Fox TV they asked me what I would
like to do -- which is a nice position to be in -- I told them I'd like to do
something like NIGHT STALKER but I didn't want to do something that was
limited to vampires.
     So how did he decide on aliens as a substitute?  "I had the
coincidental experience of spending time with a friend who works as an Ivy
league researcher, and he had shown me the Dr. Mack -- the Harvard psychology
professor -- survey on what he called the alien abduction syndrome.  It
showed that 3% of the American public actually believes they have been
abducted by UFO's.  I thought that was fascinating.  A larger percentage
actually had experienced contact with extraterrestrials or something 
otherworldly.
      "I found that amazing and I thought, well, aliens have become the new
vampires of sorts.  I thought there was a lot to explore.  I didn't want to
limit myself to just the bad world.  I wanted to explore all paranormal
phenomena and unsolved crimes that involved these or any phenomena."
     So how does the show treat these "phenomena," as the hallucinations of
unstable people, or as something much deeper?  "It makes a strong case for
the alien abduction syndrome.  Someone is suffering from something for
reasons that are logical and believable.  I'm a natural-born skeptic, but
the more research I've done and the more people I've come into contact with
by doing the show, the more they've chipped away at my skepticism.  I'm much
more open-minded and there are certain things I take for granted, if not as my
truth, then as their truth.
     "I should also say that if you throw a rock, you hit 3 people who
actually know more about this stuff than I do.  I'm a relative babe in the
woods compared to a lot of people who have quite an extensive knowledge
about these and other phenomena, but actually I think that serves me.  I
come at it with a very fresh perspective ... do you try and access these
people to try and get more information, or are you going at it from a partly
imaginative point of view?  Sometimes we use an amalgam of information to
create an idea but ... we are doing all this from imagination, so it's
fiction but it's fiction that takes place within the realm of extreme
possibility."
     When he got his first producing credit six and a half years ago on THE
NANNY, he "didn't know what producing entailed."  Certainly, that had
changed by the time X-FILES came along.  What DOES a producer do?
"Everything.  Producers function as quality control people.  You hire
people to do certain jobs, then you oversee those jobs.  You make creative
decisions, you make decisions of taste, tone and style.  You shape a movie
or TV show by the people you hire both as talent and as technical staff.
     "A person has to earn my trust, generally.  When you hire qualified
people, that is something that happens very soon, but I tend to have very
strong ideas about what it is I want and I try to keep an eye on all areas,
from an actress's makeup to the way a cameraman shoots a certain scene."
     First and foremost, however, Mr. Carter is a writer.  "Yes, I wrote
the pilot episode and now I've written 2 episodes past that, so a writer is
what I am first and foremost.  That's who I am.  I've become a producer by
circumstance but I love it.  Producing is very social, writing is very
lonely."
     And if he had to pick one?  "I'd have to say in TV I can't pick one
because to be a writer in television the only way to do it is also be a
producer.  It's a producer-driven medium.  It's a writer-driven medium
also, but you have to want to have your stuff done well.  You have to carry
it through to physical production.  Writing screenplays is not like writing
prose.  You're creating a blueprint with dialogue for a visual thing.  So
if you're in TV it serves you best to work in both writing and producing
mediums.
     "Being a producer in TV makes you a better writer in TV in that you
understand what can and can't be done.  Sometimes I'll read a writer's spec
script and I can tell when he has not produced TV because he will assume
that certan things can be done which can't be done.  That's one of the
things that helps you as a writer by being a producer."
     Being a producer can help the writing as well as the writer.  "As a
writer you've imagined something that's perfect in your mind, and so when
you see it actually take physical shape or electronic shape it can be very
depressing.  It looks to you like a series of compromises ... Your original
concept is degraded from the moment it goes into somebody else's hand.  There 
is this whole process.  It's like a bucket brigade; it is handed to a
series of people who do their job.  If they do it well, they can make your
script better, and if they don't do it well it makes it worse.  It's amazing
to me when the process actually creates a magical moment."
     His descriptions evidence the ongoing nature of production, but "each
episode will function as a complete story.  We put information out there
and they learn things that are going to shape our characters.  They're not
going to go backwards once they see something.  They're not going to then
not believe in it later on, so there will be an accumulation of knowledge
and experience but each episode will function as its own open-and-shut
case."
     This is unlike mainstream television where, at the end of an episode,
the world essentially returns to precisely the state it was in before the
opening credits rolled.  I asked him if he's afraid of not being able to
top himself.  "That's a nice thing to do, I'm not afraid of that.  This is
such a wide open field that the fear of having to top yourself is self-
limiting.  If you fear that then you're not going to attempt to do so.  I
have to go sorta boldly into the future here and hope that I can top myself
each week that I can."
     Like Donald Bellisario, the creator of QUANTUM LEAP, Mr. Carter
doesn't feel that his show is "science fiction" per se.  "My buzz phrase
is that the show takes place within the realm of extreme possibility.  I
think it's the same area that Michael Crichton might work in.  The
ANDROMEDA STRAIN, THE TERMINAL MAN, or JURASSIC PARK were all taking those
possibilites into account.  We explore them as if our stories could
actually be happening."  For those of you who look for scientific accuracy,
while there is no science advisor credited, "it's really easy to pick up
the phone and call your brother and get him to give you very technical
advice."  His brother is a physicist.
     So, when you come right down to it, what exactly IS it?  It deals with
alien abduction, but it's not science fiction.  It's scary, but it's not
gory.  It's been compared to everything from NIGHT STALKER to early TWIN
PEAKS.  So how does Chris Carter describe it?  "You know, there's nothing
on TV like it.  I've been asked this question and I'm always at a loss to
compare it to anything because when you start to compare it to anything you
start to do yourself a disservice.  People say it's like that or oh it's
like that.  I just don't think there's anything like it on TV.  I call it a
cross between SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and UNSOLVED MYSTERIES."
-- 
                     CYBERSPACE VANGUARD MAGAZINE
           News and Views from the Science Fiction Universe
TJ Goldstein, Editor      |   Send submissions, questions, comments to
  tlg4@po.cwru.edu        |         cn577@cleveland.freenet.edu

RE: .31 (me)

    His memories of NIGHTSTALKER are a bit different from mine.  The made
    for TV movie -- which was not obviously a pilot -- was about a vampire
    but the series involved a different "monster of the week" each time.
    The hibernating rubber man would have fit right in, for example, as
    would the New Jersey Bigfoot.

				    Topher

    RE:  .30
    
    Thanks for the feedback, Jamie.  One of the benefits I treasure about
    the notesfile is the opportunity to be exposed to the variety of
    other's views and interpretations.  It allows me the opportunity for
    constant learning.  It also affords me the opportunity to check if what
    I say is what I mean, and what others interpret is what I said; or,
    rather, what I thought I said.
    
    Based on your reply to my previous response, it appears I may not have
    communicated my thoughts clearly.  As a result, I hope this entry will
    be more precise.
    
    I was not attempting to get attention by the choice of my previous
    word.  I specifically chose the word as it best reflects my belief.
    Again, to me, in my own single opinion, based on my interpretation of
    the information I have come across, this tragedy was totally 
    avoidable.    
    
    By my other statement, "Murder versus manslaughter versus negligent versus 
    aforethought versus malice is precisely the issue", I intended to
    imply that there is most certainly a world of difference between the
    terms, and it is because of these differences I chose the word I did.
    I may not have communicated this part as clearly as I thought I had, and 
    thank you for allowing me the opportunity to review and further clarify my
    intent.  I hope I have.
    
    Regards,
    
    Bill
    
    
    
    
    

    Malice need not be there for murder. Murder means deliberately
    attempting to kill someone. I do not believe that anyone set out with
    the deliberate intention to kill the crew of the Challenger.

    Their death were due to massive incompetence, which started with the
    politicians demanding that the construction of the shuttle be spread
    over several states. This limited the size of the solid fuel booster
    unit length for the purposes of shipping it. Thus it had to be made
    sectional and the O rings had to be used.

    Had the boosters been made locally they could have been made in one
    piece and there would have been no O rings used.

    Jamie.

    Thanks, Jamie.
    
    Caught my second episode this past weekend, and it was better.  
    
    Has anyone else caught on to some of the character names being used?
    2 weeks ago, the NASA Commander's name was something like Van
    Andreaus Belt (Van Allen Radiation Belt).  This week the med doc was
    Oppenheimer, as they were discussing the type of burns on the victims,
    which were radiation burns.  They even threw in a line for the doc,
    something like:  "Do you know what kind of a blast it would take to
    make these kinds of burns?"  I think these names and lines are nice
    touches.
    
    -Bill

    
    Did anyone catch last Friday's episode ? I think it was one of the best
    I've seen so far. Scully has her parents over during the holidays for 
    dinner. They leave and she dozes off in from of the tube. She is awoken
    seeing her dad sitting across the room from her talking to her but she
    can't hear what he's trying to say. Then the phone rings and when she
    looks back at where her father had been he's no longer there. Upon
    answering the phone her mother informs her that her father has just
    passed on...
    
    excellent episode because Scully starts to believe and Maulder is now
    the skeptic. Interesting...
    
    /todd
    

    Very good episode, but I have a question...  How did it end????
    
    Made it through the majority of the show, but the cable went out with
    about 10 minutes left in the program!!!  I was gonna write it off until
    the reruns started, but since someone else asked...
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Tom

the fbi found the young man who had been kidnapped at
the place where the inmate on death row said he'd be.

Inmate also warned scully and maulder(sp? - not sure of
his name) about separate harms that would come to them.
To maulder he said beware the white cross, later maulder
is shot (not fatally) near a white cross.  Scully is
warned not to follow the kidnapper to the devil.  The
kidnapper, being chased around the Blue Devil Brewery,
runs across a bridge within the brewery and falls through
it, plunging to his demise.  On the wall next to the
spot where the kidnapper fell, is a devil (brewery's
logo).

Question is: did death row inmate know about kidnapping
or truly psychic: warnings to scully and maulder make
audience think he was psychic.  Inmate promises scully
a message from her father immediately before his 
execution.  Inmate desperately wants scully to attend
his execution.  She blows him off (this surprised me,
I thought her unwillingness to believe would be overcome
by her desire to receive some sort of closure message
from her father).  She speaks to maulder in his 
hospital room, he asks her how can she not believe.

very brief summary - if any noter wants to expound, feel
free.

--angela

RE: .38 (angela)

    Good summary -- except you missed the punchline.

>She speaks to maulder in his  hospital room, he asks her how can she not
>believe.

    Scully answers that she is afraid to believe.  Maulder asks her if
    she couldn't overcome her fear to possibly find out what her father's
    message was.  She answers: "I already know".

    Gorgeous ambiguity.  I loved it.

    (Didn't the same actor who played Scully's father have a similar
    "crises apparition" scene when he played the military officer in
    Twin Peaks?)

					Topher

    What I also found to be interesting was at the very end how the inmate is 
    paid a visit by all of the souls of his victims whom line the corridor as 
    he's lead to the gas chamber he covers his eyes out of shame. 
    When he sits down inside the room where he's served his last meal his 
    family (whom he'd supposedly murdered on thanksgiving day) materialize and 
    watch him as he eats. All of this had been prophesized by a reoccuring 
    dream of his.
    
    Once again , an Interesting episode... sorry about not explaining the
    entire story... just didn't have the time.
    
    /todd

    Thank you both very much!!!  I hated to have to wait till the re-runs
    started again to find out the last few minutes of the show.  
    
    Topher, was she guessing that she knew what message her father was
    trying to give her (like he was proud of her) or was she just hoping
    that she knew?  I can't believe that she didn't go to witness the 
    carrying out of his sentence if even out of curiosity...  What an
    ending!!!
    
    Thanks again,
    Tom

RE: .41 (Tom)

    As I said, it was the ambiguity which I found so exquisite, but for
    what it is worth, here is my favored interpretation.

    She had come to the conclusion that her father was indeed proud of her,
    and that this was what he had been trying to tell her.  She had faith
    that this was the message, so confirming what she already knew provided
    no motivation to overcome her fear.  To a certain extent, going for
    that reason would have been a self-betrayal of her new-found self
    confidence in her father's pride.

    That still leaves a lot of room, however, for how she reached that
    conclusion and what she thought the original apparition was.

				    Topher

If anyone lip-reads, maybe they can tell us what her father was saying
the first time he appeared to her.  I tried to figure it out, but couldn't.
I think that this is a critical clue to resolving the ambiguous ending.

-steve-

    ... unless, of course, he was saying something like, "Scully can't
    lip read, so no fair you trying to." ;-)

    Seriously, it might add an interesting gloss, but the ambiguity is
    in what Scully felt and believed, and why.  Since she apparently
    couldn't lip read, what he actually adds little disambiguation.

					Topher

Topher!!!!!!!!!  "disambiguation"???!!!!    :)

I'm going to report you to joyoflex at once!!  :)




Seriously, I also wondered iflipreaders found anything
substantial in Scully's father's initial apparition.

--angela

    Sorry.  Doesn't seem to be in the Unabridged.  Its a word used quite
    routinely in some circles I have contact with.

				    Topher

Oh Topher, no apology necessary.  
I was only "funning" with you!  :):)

It's just that in Joyoflex, there was a topic about
words such as "disambiguate" (that one being explicitly
condemned by a noter)...  and I *couldn't* resist...


*******************

Anyone in the Boston area know why X-Files will be
on tonight (Monday) instead of (or in addition to) 
Friday?  Is it a special?  I didn't hear that - all
I heard was "stay tuned Monday for that <praising
adjectives> show, the X-Files".

--angela

    
    I saw my first X-Files show the other week - the one about the fighting
    parasite worm-things from a buried asteroid in the Arctic somewhere.
    
    Are they always, or even sometimes, that gruesome?  (This, from a 
    person who did not particularly enjoy the part in Alien where the 
    creature comes out of the person's chest.)  All in all, it was a good
    story, but still....eeiieeeee!
    
    Cindy

    re: .48,
    	Personally, I thought that was one of the weakest ones so far,
    	but for other reasons.
    
    	A lot of what they did on that show, supposedly by experts in
    	their various fields, was plain loopy.  Prehistoric microscopes,
    	nonexistent isolation precautions, it just didn't seem realistic
    	to me at all.
    
    There was another recent one that I enjoyed more, about unexplained
    murders where the victims were "loaded with pheromones containing human
    DNA," and the trail led to an unusual isolationist cult with some
    bizarre secrets.  A number of interesting themes in that one.
    
    						kind regards,
    
    						todd

>pheromones containing human DNA

Hey, now there's a neat trick.  I can't figure out how DNA could be incorporated
into the pheromone, since to the best of my recollection, DNA is a double
helix and pheromones are aromatics.  But then, if there were any pheromones in
the people, they would have to have originated from DNA at some point by 
definition.

pheromone  A substance that provides chemical means of communication between
animals and certain insects, of the same species.  Probably detected by smell.
May affect development, reproduction, or behavior of other individuals.

What that means is it only affect members of the same species, it is airborne
and one of the most frequently observed affects is to attract mates.

80)

    re: 
    You're right.  Sorry for my sloppines, Jim.  I think that 
    they were slightly more careful with their description, though I don't
    recall exactly how they determined the relation between the 
    chemical and human genetic material.
    
    It was supposedly a human-based (or humanoid-based) pheromone, and
    I missed the ending (!) but I got the impression that the folks
    were supposed to be humanoid extraterrestrials of some sort.
    
    Maybe someone who didn't have a crying baby on their shoulder
    while watching this can fill us in better.  :-)
    
    							kind regards,
    
    							todd

    Re -1
    
    I hope someone can, too. I started watching "The Kindred" show, but my
    son was up, and I didn't want him watching the show. It sometimes gets
    too weird, even for me.
    
    I saw the end, Scully and Mulder go back to the Kindred's compoound,
    but they were all gone. I think there was some trace of UFO activity on
    the ground, but I missed everything after the old man died at the
    dinner table until the very end. 
    
    Anyone care to fill me in?
    
    Thanks,
    
    
    Marilyn 

    (To fill in, as best I recall)
    
    After the old man apparently dies, Mulder and Scully are escorted off
    the farm for interferring and asking too many questions.  They walk
    off a little way, then with noone to watch them, double back to the
    farm.
    
    There is some sort of ceremony going on in the barn, so they skulk up
    to the side of the barn to see what's going on.  The men carry the
    body of the dead man into a tunnel, and the women leave the barn.  Once
    they leave, Mulder sneaks in to see what's in the tunnel while Scully
    keeps watch.
    
    While watching, the man who Scully met in town shows up and tells her
    to come to his room, where he will tell her about his friend, who is
    who they are after.  She goes.
    
    Mulder follows a long dark tunnel (get it?) to an opening where there
    is some sort of ritual going on with the old "dead" man.  He is
    lathered up with wet clay and placed in a hole in the wall.  As the
    men start to leave, Mulder starts to get out first, but someone else
    is coming down the tunnel.  Mulder jumps into a hole in the wall, 
    which just happens to lead to where the old "dead" man was lain.  Only
    it isn't the old man anymore, it's a women.  Mulder eventually gets
    out and goes to get Scully.
    
    Meanwhile, back at the ranch - er, farm main house - Scully is in
    the guy's room, learning about the guy they're trying to get.  He is
    friend of the guy talking to her.  The friend got hold of some 
    magazines, and decided to see more of this world; especially the 
    party, sexual part.  He has dishonored the code, and they want him
    back, as "they are coming back for us soon, and he must be with us."
    
    While the guy is telling Scully all this, he gets caught up in
    it himself, and seduces Scully, who willingly complies (where can I
    get some of this stuff?).  But, before the big event, Mulder breaks
    in and saves her.  Once again, S&M are lead off the farm.
    
    S&M eventually corner the bad guy/gal, and just as they're about 
    to take him in, the Kindred elders, show up to claim him.  Whisk,
    they're gone from the alley.
    
    Next scene is where you came in:  S&M and police show up to find an 
    empty farm.  Out in the hay field is, yes, a crop circle - a big one.
    
    All in all, not a bad show.  
    
    I must admit I do like the series, having seen several episodes now.  I 
    do get a bit flustered with the lapses of logic and flow on occasion, 
    but not enough to change the channel.  I like the way the writers are 
    bringing out the personalities of S&M.
    
    Peace,
    
    Bill
    
    

    
    Todd,
    
    But are the other ones as *gruesome*?
    
    You know, watching worms under skin, cutting them out...and gross stuff
    like that?  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    Nope, there aren't many episodes that are gruesome.  Trust me, if they
    were, I probably wouldn't be the faithful watcher that I am.
    
    Barb

    Thanks for the update! Too bad I missed the main part. Oh, well. Now I
    have something left for the re-runs....
    
    
    Marilyn

    RE:  Worm episode
    
    Did anyone else feel the worm episode was a variation of one of the Star 
    Trek movies (Wrath of Khan, I think?)?
    
    ie, behavior change, and worm insertion via ear canal procedure.
    
    -Bill

    
    Re.55 - Thanks!  (;^)
    
    Re.57 - Worm episode
    
    Actually the overall idea comes from a Twilight Zone episode - the 
    one where the worm (an earwig) that entered one ear, eventually 
    finds its way out of the other ear...only to discover that the 
    worm was a female and had laid its eggs inside...  
    
    (I think even this came from a pre-existing story, but can't recall
    where.)
    
    Cindy
    

    OH YEAH - WOW, DUH!
    
    Forgot about that one.
    
    Many thanks.
    
    Bill (who now uses lures instead of live bait to fish)

    Not sure but I think that the story "The Earwig" is by Roald Dahl
    (spelling?).  In fact, I thought that it appeared in the syndicated
    series of dramatizations of his stories (entitled something like
    "Roald Dahl's Tales of the Unexpected").  In any case, it sounds
    more like a "Night Gallery" episode than a Twilight Zone.  Roald Dahl
    is also well known, by the way, for his children's stories, especially
    "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" which became the Willy Wonka movie.

    The idea of the "worm" which burrows in through the ear seems to be
    genuine folklore about the earwig so it goes back further than that.

    Another literary precursor for the idea is, of course, Shakespeare.
    Hamlet's father was killed by poison poured into his ear while he
    slept.

    The overall plot is from the 50's movie "IT" (I think that's the right
    title -- starring James Arness in the title role as a giant animated
    carrot), which was remade by John Carpenter a few years back.  IT was
    one of the best science fiction movies of the 50's (not saying much, of
    course).  It was based on the short story "Who Goes There?" by John
    Cambell.  It influenced much later horror/SF movies, most notably
    "Alien".  I prefer to give X-files the doubt and say they were
    "honoring" the classic rather than "ripping it off".

					Topher

    Thanks, Topher.
    
    I believe the 50's movie you refer to is, "The Thing".  And, although
    a typical 50's sci-fi, grade B, I love it.  I did not like the John
    Carpenter version, but then again, I am not a remake fan - goes for
    colorization of original B&W's also.
    
    I agree X-Files was honoring, rather than ripping off.  They  
    consistently do references to other works and name plays enough so that 
    I believe (I want to believe) they're having some fun with the audience.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Bill

    
    	It's been a while since I threw some of my pocket change in the
    ring here. But since I am the base noter I feel I should at least stop
    by once in a while.  8*)
    
    
                    <<< Note 1897.21 by BRAT::MCCLELLAN_W >>>
                                -< NIX ON "X" >-
    
    	Bill,
    
    	   From this reply back in November you said:
    
    }}After reading this notes string, I tuned in the past weekend to see the
    }}program.  While I'll check out a few more episodes, my initial reaction
    }}to this past week's program is:  two thumbs DOWN.
    
    }}As mentioned earlier, I'll tune in a few more times, lest I be too
    }}hasty on just one episode.
    
    	I was just wondering what your feelings were now?
    
    
    	In the same vein, the reply pryor to the one I quoted here, I said
    the show probably wouldn't last to Christmas.
    
    Well, just to let everyone know, Fox has signed the show for another
    year and it seems that it's ratings just keep going up......
    
    
    	Personally, the show has grown on me and now I think it is one of
    the better things on T.V.   But then, I don't really watch that much
    T.V. and if anybody knows of some things that are comparable to The X
    Files I'm open to suggestions.  %^)
    
    
		-=Dave=-
    

    DAVE:
    
    My present position:  I am now a fan, and agree with you.  And, judging
    by the ratings, WE ARE NOT ALONE!  (sorry, couldn't resist  ;-) )
    
    Thanks for the info on their extension; I'm happy to know I can keep
    watching.  
    
    While the scripts seem (to me) to have holes in the logic flow here and 
    there, I think the writers are doing a nice job of developing the 
    characters of S&M.  I also very much like the wordplays and references
    to other movies/shows.  
    
    Their biggest dangers, I feel, are:
    
    	-  Becoming too predictable. 
    
    	-  Underestimating the intelligence of their audience.  I'm liking
    	   the mental stimulation while being entertained. 
    
    Peace,
    
    Bill 
    
         

    We just started watching this.  My daughter started watching 
    it because she likes Mulder (why else do 11-yr-old girls watch
    anything?), and I think they're interesting.  Better than most
    of the junk on tv these days.
    
    Ellen  

    Ellen:
    
    RE:  "... because she likes Mulder (why else do 11-yr-old girls
         watch anything?)"
    
    From this end, I do like the show, but the actress playing Scully does 
    have **something** to do with my favorable opinion...   
    
    ;-)
    
    -Bill (not always objective, but always human - I think)
    
    
    
    

    Wow!
    
    What if the note on the X-files turns into an X-rated one.... ;^}
    
    Seriously, I'm glad it was renewed for another year. It's one of my
    favorite shows. How they can think of all those plots every week!
    
    
    Marilyn

    MARILYN:
    
    RE:  "How they can think of all those plots every week!"
    
    It's like this:
    
    	There's this guy who was given an office in this special file storage 
    	area of this building...
    
    ;-)
    
    (God, I can't resist these openings...)
    
    -Bill (in this life)

    
    ;^)

    Nice touch, Marilyn:  No matter how you look at it, your -.1 reply 
    brings a smile...  ;-)
    
    Now, on to other things:
    
    	Anyone interested in comparing notes on Mondays as to what 
    	references to other works, word plays, etc. we can pick out from 
    	previous Friday's X-Files?  I know I catch some, but certainly
    	not all.
    
    -Bill                              
    

re -1...

sure.

-angela

    I'm game.

    wow! guess what! Me and Scully (and dear departed Jack) have the same
    birthday!  Yup, when she told "Jack" when his birthday (and thus hers
    as well) was, I couldn't believe it (Feb 23 - my birthday!). 
             
    My husband, who loves this show (he makes me turn off all the lights in
    prior knowledge of the previous owner - comes back for something (or
    someone) and that someone doesn't want them around
    anymore - combined with some physical manifestation (the tatoo and
    the face) - hmmm, have to think about it.
    
    --angela
              v
    so, where have we seen the theme before?  possession with some
    knowledge
    of the pre

    looks like the terminal doesn't like my reply - i'll reenter at work on
    Monday
    
    -angela

    Well, I drew a blank for the most part on Friday's show.  Figures, since 
    I'm looking.  The only two references I recognized was the open one 
    about America's Most Wanted, and the story of how Warren and Lula got
    together; corrections officer/inmate.  There was a true story about
    such a relationship some years ago.  I want to say the female was
    referred to "Bambi", or something like that.  My mind must be on
    vacation, because I'm not remembering a whole lot.  Maybe someone else
    can fill in the missing pieces.  
    
    Seance anyone????  
    
    I wrote down the various character names, but none rang any bells:
    Dr. Vars, Jack Willis, Warren Dupres, Thomas Phillips, Lula Phillips,
    Multrovich (spellings may be off).
    
    I agree with Angela the switched personality theme (possession) I've
    seen before, but can't recall any specific work.  Maybe because it's
    a common theme, and been used a lot.
    
    I thought maybe Lula's (spelling?) hair and clothing style was a 
    reference to something, but again a blank.
    
    RE:  .73  So Angela, what's the story on your house's previous owner?
    
    
    -Bill

    
    	There is a radio station here where I live (Phoenix, AZ) that has
    been running a trivia contest (Trivia on a show that isn't 6 months
    old yet?  Oh well.), for the past week or so, on the X-Files.  They ask
    a trivia question about the show and you be the first caller with the
    correct answer and you win; X-Files hats, T-shirts and other
    paraphernalia and your name goes into a barrel.  They're going to have
    a drawing and if your name is drawn you win a guest appearance on the
    show this coming fall!!
    
    	I'd say the shows popularity must really be rising!
    
    	Does anyone else have promotional things like this going on in your
    area?     (Just wondering)
    
    
    		-=Dave=-
    
    
    P.S. If I won I would probably end up playing a dead body!
    
     

    re: -1
    
    Yeah, there is a Boston radio station that's doing the same thing. 
    While listening on the way to work Monday morning, the trivia question
    was something like, "What was the hidden message in the mirror?"  I guy
    called in and said it was "ICE" and he automatically won a trip to
    Canada and a guest appearance on the show

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    RE:  .77  What station (dial setting), please?
    
    RE:  .76  Dave:
    
    	I would think if you won, being from Phoenix, they'd have you play
        a desert rat (no offense intended - my younger brother was born
        in Phoenix, and that was his nickname until he was old enough to
        beat everyone up, which he did).  Except me.   ;-)
    
    
    -Bill
    

    I have no idea which Boston station it was on....I was flipping through
    the channels at the time...

    RE:  .79  OK, thanks.
    
    BTW, I am comforted to know I am not the only one who channel hops
    radio stations in the AM...   ;-)
    
    And yes, I belong to TV Remote Control Flickers Anonymous.  I'd like
    to be able to tell you which chapter, but I keep changing groups...
    
    ;-)
    
    
    

                    <<< Note 1897.78 by BRAT::MCCLELLAN_W >>>
                                 -< X-Trivia >-
    
    
    }}RE:  .76  Dave:
    
    	}}I would think if you won, being from Phoenix, they'd have you play
        }}a desert rat (no offense intended - my younger brother was born
    
    [No offense taken.]  You would think the desert rat thing would fit but
    actually the dead body thing fits better.  I'm one of those displaced
    people living where I shouldn't be.  I hate the desert and the hot sun
    so I spend most of my time inside in the air conditioning (set very
    cold I might add).  The place is usually like a meat-locker or, dare I
    say, morgue!   8*)
    
    
    	-=Dave=-
    

    RE:  .81  Ah-ha, a Northern mind in a Western body...     ;-)
    
    RE:  Friday's episode - the case of the moving EBE.
         I thought it was a pretty good show, with some cute lines.  I did
         pick up the "Ramones" T-shirt on the watchdog group guy.  Also
         thought Mulder's description of his secret source he called 
         "Deep Background" (Deep Throat from Watergate) was a nice play on 
    	 words.    
    
    	 Great sense of humor having an Iraqi plane shoot down the UFO ;-)
         Right.
    
         They almost got me when "Deep Background" told Mulder there was a
         secret pact in 1947 that whichever country captured an EBE, they
         were to exterminate it.  Then he told his story of his part in 
         such a mission.  Fortunately, Mulder came back with his statement
         that he didn't know which lie to believe.  Good for Mulder.
    
    For those on the East Coast of the US, did you catch the special due
    on the FOX network this Tuesday about UFO'S?  I Believe it's being
    called the UFO Conspiracy, or something like that.  Supposedly, 
    never-before-seen footage the US Government doesn't want you to see.
    
    Nice advertising, but conspiracies aside, if the government doesn't
    want us to see it, we're not going to see it.  
    
    Dialog not used:  I was waiting for S or M to say something about the
                      surveillance, like:  "This surveillance is beginning
                      to bug me."
    
    ;-)
    
                 

    Re -1 
    
    Why the question on the UFO COnspiracy on FOX for the East Coast only?
    The show was shown here, too. Although it was shown last night. Though
    I tried to remember I managed to miss the first half. The second half,
    the part about that town in Canada sounded very intriguing, but they
    were already talking about it when I tuned in. I saw some photographs 
    the interviewer was showing the woman calle "Sarah", can anyone fill me
    in on who took those photos?
    
    One comment I have on the one photo in Puerto Rico where it looked
    like the jet (fighter?) was chasing the UFO, it looked very fake to me, 
    though admittedly I know nothing of photography.
    
    I was hoping it was a 2-hour show. Just as I was getting into it, it 
    ended. Mainly, I'd like to know about the above segment, who is
    "Guardian" and why were they trying to find out who he was?
    
    Thanks,
    
    
    Marilyn

    Guardian anonymously sent a video of a crash site and photos of
    "beings" to a fanous UFO person ( I know great detail huh?)  ANy
    way...it appears that what the Guardian sent was from 'the inside' and
    feared being being so he just signed the documents guardian.  The
    show's producers hired a private investigator to track the person down
    - they did find him but he "escaped" (I hated when they used that word
    - since this person really did NOT want to be found or known) but
    anyway...they showed the tape of him being found and they distorted the
    picture to hide his identity since he obviously didn't give his
    permission to be on the show.
    
    BTW - I too thoghtthose piccies of the jet and the UFO looked fake but
    like you I'm no photo expert.
    
    All in all an intriguing show - and I think I got it all on tape.  If
    its convient for me I will loan it out.  I sit at the Mill
    
    Joyce

    Thank for the update, Joan.
    
    I would love to borrow your tape, but unfortunately, I'm in Southern
    California. Hardly walking distance :^)
    
    
    Marilyn

    Marilyn:
    
    RE:  .83
    
    (Apologize for the late response = was on mini-holiday.  Too much
    winter was leading to really B-A-D attitude.  Had to take a break)
    
    I didn't mean anything by my reference in .82 to the UFO Conspiracy 
    show being shown on the East Coast to the  exclusion of other areas.  I 
    was just trying to be specific, as I don't know where the show would 
    be showing.  
    
    Southern Cal, huh.  Sure, rub it in...    ;-)  ;-)
    
    -Bill

    Bill,
    
    No offense taken, it was just a question. Hope you had a good
    mini-vacation. Actually, you can send a little of your winter weather
    here, we haven't had much of one this year.
    
    
    Marilyn

    
       <<< Note 1897.87 by SWAM1::MILLS_MA "To Thine own self be True" >>>
                               -< Welcome back >-

    }}mini-vacation. Actually, you can send a little of your winter weather
    }}here, we haven't had much of one this year.
    
    	You can drop some off here, also, on your way to So. Cal.
    	Provided Marilyn doesn't mind sharing?
    
    
    	Oh Oh!  Rathole alert!  Better get back on the subject!
    
    	X-Files wasn't on around here last Friday night.  Anybody 
    	know why not?  (Or was it just my area?)
    
    
    		-=Dave=-
    
    		(In Phoenix, AZ)
    
    

re .88

 I don't believe it was on at all Friday (I'm in Boston)
because Friday was the Nancy/Tonya duel - I believed they
showed X-files on Thursday last week out here.  Sorry
I haven't been participating lately... I've had a com-
mitment on Friday evenings - should be getting back to 
"normal" soon though!

--angela

    Oh, good! I thought I'd missed the X-files (I was watching the latest
    in the Tonya/Nancy saga), and forgot to tape it.
    
    I really liked the last show I saw, the one where Mulder and Scully
    were looking for the dead (or dying) ET. It was one of the best I've 
    seen. They are so good, I wish they were based on true stories....
    
    Oh, well. Maybe someday.
    
    
    Marilyn

    Yeah, there was some movie in place of OUR show.  I think Fox may have
    done it on purpose knowing most folks (except us diehards) would be
    watching the H/K bloodbath.  Since OUR show wasn't on, I did tune in to
    the carnage, minor as it was.  For anyone else who saw Nancy's
    performance, could you believe that after all she's been through, at
    the end, when taking her bows, she had to fight off that rabid teddy
    bear that came leaping out at her.  
    
    P.S.  Had a wonderful mini holiday. Definitely did the trick.  Would
    love to tell you what the movie was in place of OUR show, but I was
    so tired and and sore and spacy from screaming and falling and smashing 
    into things all day.  I believe it's called Alpine skiing.  Someone
    said it was supposed to be fun.  Yeah, right, don't ask that little
    old lady I nailed.
    
    On the plus side, the Ski Patrol Rescue folks were very nice until
    after about the 6th trip.  
    
    As for some of our winter up here in New England, you're all more
    than welcome to it.  This is March 1st, MARCH 1ST!  Enough already.
    Oh well, I hear Spring right around the corner...
    
    
    :-)
    Bill  

re 91

>>I hear Spring is right around the corner...


Really?? I want to listen to your weather station :)
According to mine, we're getting another 8-12 Thursday
night!


waiting for the thaw..
--angela

    
    The 'corner' which .91 referred to, is a *long* ways down the street...
    
    Cindy

                          
    And...this conference is famous for its ratholes.
    
    Tradition, you know.  
    
    I'm sure Jamie would agree wholeheartedly.  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    RE:  .92 & .93
    
    Well, just trying to be optimistic.  And yes, that went down the rat
    hole with the weather report.  Just think, we still have the annual
    St Patrick's Day week storm to look forward to.  Oh joy.  We could
    see a New England version of the Michael Douglas movie, "Falling Down"
    if this keeps up.
    
    On the plus side, I'll get another shot at that little old lady this
    weekend.  Then again, she may just stay off the bunny slope...
    
    ;-)
    
    Bill             

    
                   <<< Note 1897.95 by ABACUS::MCCLELLAN_W >>>
                              -< Rat Hole Cont'd >-
    
    }}On the plus side, I'll get another shot at that little old lady this
    }}weekend.  Then again, she may just stay off the bunny slope...
    
    	Just remember, Bill, put the tips together and make like a plow.
    	(Puts more force into the hit!   8*)  )
    
    
    -=Dave=-
    
    	(Hoe hum. They say it's going to be in the seventies again
    tomorrow! <Heavy Sigh> )
    
    

    
    It's snowed for so long here that it feels like I only experienced
    temperatures in the 70's in a distant past life...
    
    Cindy

    RE:  .96  Thanks for the advice, Dave.  I'll have to try that.
    
         If anyone is interested, I got a mail from Nancy K..  Apparently,
         she reads the notesfile off Internet.  She suggested I also have
         a BIG bowl of campbell's soup beforehand.  ;-)
    
    The seventies again???  Didn't we pass them about 14+ years ago?  :-)
    
    
    No Brakes Bill

    
    
    
	For those of you that may be interested in some background info....
    
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    

>Subject: `X-File' Star Forsakes Romance
>Copyright: 1994 by The Associated Press, R
>Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 11:20:20 PST
>Lines: 99


>	LOS ANGELES (AP) -- ``NYPD Blue's'' David Caruso is clearly
>television's rear-nude poster boy of the season.
>	But for viewers who like their leading men darkly rebellious,
>and who are willing to use their imaginations, consider David
>Duchovny as UFO-obsessed FBI agent Fox Mulder of ``The X-Files.''
>	Duchovny has the looks, the wit, the haircut. And he plays
>Mulder, a true believer in extraterrestrials and government
>cover-ups, with an understated intensity that is magnetic.
>	The character single-mindedly probes unexplained cases -- X files
>-- the FBI and certain shadowy government figures would rather he
>and fellow agent Dana Scully (costar Gillian Anderson) drop.
>	No ``Blue'' sex scenes for our hero; it's all nerve-jangling
>alien encounters, mixed in with immortal killers and science gone
>badly awry.
>	There is a tantalizing trace of chemistry between Mulder and the
>lovely Scully in the Fox Broadcasting Co. series, airing at 9 p.m.
>EST Fridays, but producer Chris Carter has vowed not to exchange
>chills for romance.
>	Playing a man whose work is his passion is a turnabout for
>Duchovny, who racked up his share of sexy scenes in movies
>pre-``X-Files''
>	He was a sweet-talking bounder in ``Julia Has Two Lovers,'' a
>swinger who gets religion in ``The Rapture,'' and a cuckolded (but
>not sexually deprived) architect in Showtime's ``The Red Shoe
>Diaries.''
>	Duchovny's most recent film was ``Kalifornia,'' in which he
>played a writer making a dangerous foray into the realm of murder --
>with a comely girlfriend, of course.
>	Given the clever plots and sharp writing of ``The X-Files,'' the
>actor is willing to take a dramatic cold shower for now. Besides,
>he says, it's a refreshing change.
>	``I was kind of happy to play a character that didn't have women
>register at all on his radar,'' Duchovny said in a call from
>Vancouver, British Columbia, where the series is filmed. ``I take
>the energy that another character might have directed toward women
>and direct it toward UFOs.''
>	Or, he suggests wryly, viewers can come up with their own
>off-screen scenarios: ``You can just imagine what happens in
>between cases: When I'm not chasing UFOs, I'm chasing skirt.''
>	Duchovny, 33, a native New Yorker, didn't start chasing an
>acting career early in life. He was on an impressive academic path,
>attending such swank private schools as Collegiate in Manhattan.
>	``I was a scholarship kid. It was an introduction into a
>different world,'' he said. ``I remember going to visit a friend
>for the first time and seeing the elevator opened up into his
>apartment, which was wild. I'd only seen elevators open into
>hallways.''
>	Following ability more than inspiration, Duchovny earned his
>undergraduate degree from Princeton and a master's in English
>literature at Yale, where he prepared for a teaching career in the
>Ph.D. program.
>	``I enjoyed reading, I enjoyed writing. It was pretty much
>because I hadn't found anything that moved me, and this was
>something I could do and I liked in a tepid kind of a way as a
>career,'' he said.
>	He began acting in off-Broadway plays to help him develop as a
>film and theater writer. But the performance, not just the play,
>turned out to be the thing.
>	Acting ``is where I can be a full human being, a full emotional
>person, and have none of the dire consequences that you can have in
>life,'' he observed. ``You don't have to go to jail when you kill
>someone.''
>	Duchovny left Yale in 1987, moving to California about two years
>later. Movies were now his goal.
>	``I don't know why. I wasn't obsessed with actors,'' he said.
>``I was a sports fanatic, really. Acting gave me a sense of team
>that I hadn't had for a while, one of the things I liked about
>it.''
>	A TV series wasn't in Duchovny's plan, but he was impressed by
>the pilot script for ``The X-Files.'' He also figured the show, and
>his involvement, would be short-lived.
>	``I didn't see that you could do a show about aliens every
>week,'' he said. ``Little did I know there were other things in
>store.'' The series, lavished with critical praise, already has
>been renewed for next season.
>	What's ahead as the first year winds up? Tough times for Mulder,
>Duchovny hints.
>	``I would look for some big things to happen in the last few
>episodes, some trouble for Mulder. ... I think they're going to try
>to shut him down,'' he said.
>	Duchovny has had his own problems on the action-heavy show: he's
>been cut, burned and suffered a separated shoulder in the course of
>filming. But the actor, who's single, also came away with a
>roommate to keep him company in Vancouver.
>	``Hey, don't bite the suit,'' he says, interrupting himself in
>mid-sentence. The attacker is a puppy, Lightning, the offspring of
>a dog that appeared in an earlier episode.
>	``She's a foot-licker,'' he says affectionately of his new pet.
>	And they claim there's no room for love on ``The X-Files.''

    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    

	-=Dave=-

    Could someone provide a recap of last Friday's episode (3/18)?  
    
    I wasn't able to watch it, and had a friend tape it for me.  However,
    when I went to watch it last night, the tape didn't tape.  So-o,
    I'm having withdrawal symptoms, withdrawal symptoms, withdrawal
    symptoms.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Bill

    OK Bill, here goes...
    
    Scully gets called in as a medical expert into a case (though it's not 
    specifically an X-file case) involving a faith healer. The boy, whose
    name escapes me now, has been a faith healer for app. 10 years, since
    he allegedly brought a man who had been in a fire and died, back to
    life.
    
    Suddenly, three people have died shortly after the boy lays his hand
    upon them, and they suspect he's killed them. The boy, however, thinks 
    he's being punished by God for becoming vain and thinking his power 
    comes from himself and not God. The issue is further clouded by the 
    town sheriff who (for a reason I can't remember) is conducting a "witch
    hunt" against the boy. M and S attend a faith healing where yet another 
    woman dies while the boy is laying his hands on her. The boy then
    disappears for a couple of days after which he is found in a alocal bar
    by the police.
    
    Mulder and Scully interview the boy (he's actually 18-20 years old) 
    and the boy tells Mulder he sees he (Mulder) is in pain, and the pain 
    has to do with a brother or sister that was taken away from him. Mulder
    wants him to tell him how he does it, but the boy is taken to jail.
    At the arraignment, the court house is filled with locusts, and the boy
    is further convinced that he is being punished by God. During this 
    time Mulder sees a little girl (who we are led to believe is his
    sister) several times, though she vanishes as soon as he gets to where
    she was standing.
                                                           
    I can't remember how the boy ends up in jail again, since he's let out on
    jail, but anyway he does, and the jailer lets in a couple of guys who
    beat him to death in jail. I forgot to mention that the man he "brought
    back to life" lives with the boy and his father, he gives testimony at
    the healing sessions. 
    
    Anyway, after the boy is found dead and his body taken to the morgue, a
    nurse and several other people claim the saw him walking out, and
    indeed the body is gone. He then appears to the man brought back to 
    life, who is the actual murderer, and the man confesses to having 
    killed the people. He says that the boy shoould never have brought him
    back to life (he is horribly scarred from the burns).
    
    Anyway, the story ends with the sheriff being arrested for letting the 
    guys in to kill the boy. Somehow, this has to do with the sheriff's 
    wife being in a wheelchair, but I don't know what the deal is (maybe
    someone else can fill this in), and the boy's body is never found 
    (in the episode anyway).
    
    It was OK, not as exciting as the ET ones IMHO.
    
    
    Marilyn

    Thanks, Marilyn.
    
    Sounded interesting, however, I agree with you on liking the ET shows
    better.
    
    Peace,
    
    Bill

    
      <<< Note 1897.101 by SWAM1::MILLS_MA "To Thine own self be True" >>>
                                -< A synopsis >-

    }}OK Bill, here goes...
    
    	Gee, Marilyn, I almost couldn't resist peeking!!
    	I taped the show last Friday and loaned the tape out before I had a
    chance to watch it.  I should get it back in the next day or so.  You
    should have put a spooler alert up. <Big Grin>  I was tempted to read!
    
    
    	I wonder how many people tape it Friday and then watch it later on
    some other day?
    
    But then, I also wonder how my Water Pik works!   8*)
    
    		-=Dave=-
    

    Dave,
    
    
    Sorry! You're right. I should have put a spoiler alert. I never thought 
    to do it here, like in the MOVIES notes. BTW< do read it after you see 
    the episode, and add anything I got wrong or forgot.
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Marilyn

well, picking up our post-episode discussions after a while.....


up until the part about the burned man being the
murderer - it looked like a Christ allegory...
i didn't see it myself, just read the summary...
comments?

--angela

    ***BAD JOKE SPOILER***
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    RE:  -.1
    
    	Actually, with the fire element, I thought it was a David Koresh
        allegory....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Now, for something totally different:
    
    Seems my luck with mechanical/electronic things continues to be
    *dejavu*.  I returned the tape to my friend, with a few adjectives.
    He took it back and played it on his recorder - and there the X-Files
    were, right at the front of the tape.
    
    Now, I reviewed that tape front to back, after putting it through my
    rewinder.  I never saw the show.  After he gave it back to me, I
    played it again.  Sure enough, there it was.  So, I did get to see it.
    
    Your synopsis seemed to be right on, Marilyn.  Thanks.  
    
    Now that I've seen it, I feel it was not one of the better ones.  Maybe 
    it's me, but I would think that if Samuel had the ability to feel a 
    stranger's pain, he would certainly be able to especially feel that of
    those closest to him.  Also, in feeling that pain, he knew EXACTLY what
    the cause of the pain was; cancer, etc.  Thus, in trying to heal the 
    lady in the wheel chair, he would have certainly "felt" the poison.
    
    Oh well, there have been a few not-so-good-ones, but so far, they've
    bounced back with a good one; which should be this week.
    
    -Bill

    I'm with Bill - it was not one of the better ones.  I don't mind
    suspending reality for segments of the show to enjoy the entertainment
    value but this one pushed the limits too far.....
    
    Thank goodness for my vcvr or I'd never get to watch this show.
    Jt

    
                  <<< Note 1897.106 by ABACUS::MCCLELLAN_W >>>
                           -< Next Episode, Please >-
    
    
    }}Seems my luck with mechanical/electronic things continues to be
    }}*dejavu*.  I returned the tape to my friend, with a few adjectives.
    }}He took it back and played it on his recorder - and there the X-Files
    }}were, right at the front of the tape.
    
        }}Now, I reviewed that tape front to back, after putting it through my
    }}rewinder.  I never saw the show.  After he gave it back to me, I
    }}played it again.  Sure enough, there it was.  So, I did get to see it.
    
    BAD PUN ALERT!!
    
    
    
    
    Gee, Bill, seems like you are having some X-periences for your own
    files!  <Snicker Snicker gag Snicker>
    

    		-=Dave=-
    
    
    P.S.  I still haven't seen LAST weeks episode.  I asked the person for
    my tape of it back and she went "Oh, Yeah! I forgot I had it!"  (Duh,
    McFly!!)  I guess the episode really left an impression on her, huh?
    

    RE:  .108
    
    DAVE:
    
    >  Gee, Bill, seems like you are having some x-periences for your own
       files!   <Snicker Snicker gag Snicker>
    
    
    You got that right!  I really am beginning to think I'm one of those
    alien abductees, and during the medical experiements they inserted 
    that metal probe just a little too far up the ole nasal cavity.  ;-)
    
    Then again, it is full moon time.... (cue Twilight Zone theme music)
    
    -Bill

    <***SPOILER ALERT***SPOILER ALERT***SPOILER ALERT***SPOILER ALERT>
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Interesting show, I thought.  I liked being left hanging at the end
    about how the pyro got things to catch on fire.
    
    -Bill
    

    
                  <<< Note 1897.110 by ABACUS::MCCLELLAN_W >>>
                         -< "You light up my life..." >-
    
    }}<***SPOILER ALERT***SPOILER ALERT***SPOILER ALERT***SPOILER ALERT>
    
    
    
    
    }}Interesting show, I thought.  I liked being left hanging at the end
    }}about how the pyro got things to catch on fire.
    
	I'm guessing it was pyrokinesis.  Kind of reminds me of the book
    called Firestarter by Stephen King.
    
    	(Wasn't this a repeat from earlier in the season?)
    
    		-=Dave=-
    
    

    
    Re .-1 
    
    If it was a repeat, I had not seen it.
    
    Spoiler comments follow:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Spoiler:
    
    What I didn't like about this episode is that they tried to do too 
    much. The reason for his setting these people on fire was not explored
    fully. I know they said that he would get fixated on the wives or
    some such thing, but I didn't buy it. I would have preferred to have a
    political motive. The guy sounded like he had an Irish accent at the 
    beginning of the show (when they showed him as gardener), so I thought
    he would be with the IRA. I guess that was too explosive (pardon the
    pun) a topic.
    
    I also would have liked an explanation for his ability to cause fires
    to be started. Also why he himself would fully recover after being so 
    badly burned.
    
    
    Marilyn
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
    SPOILER TO THE SPOILER OF THE ORIGINAL SPOILER
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Without trying to inflame the issue (gag!), at first I too thought he
    might be IRA, but once there were no explosions, I quickly ruled out
    IRA; as they prefer lead poisoning via bullets, and packages that go
    boom.
    
    I think Dave hit it on the head with the pyrokinesis (sp) as in the
    Stephen King, "Firestarter".  I myself missed both connections.  DUH!
    
    One thing which did puzzle me was the constant reference (and use)
    of cigarettes.  Some meaning there, perhaps? 
    
    I also didn't get the "feel" it was a repeat, but don't know.
    
    I definitely didn't like that Scotland Yard lass messing with Mulder.  I was
    thinking she was in on it somehow, and Scully would take her down. 
    But, not to be; her only interest was fanning the flames of passion with
    the political type scum (2nd gag!).
    
    At any rate, hot topic for a hot show (3rd gag!).  
    
    Last gag:
    
    
    	What does Lively (the pyro guy) have in common with Burger King?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    They're both flame broiled...     ;-)
    
    
    
    
    
    No more, I promise.      :-)
    
      

    
                  <<< Note 1897.113 by ABACUS::MCCLELLAN_W >>>
                                 -< Hot Topic >-
    
    }}SPOILER TO THE SPOILER OF THE ORIGINAL SPOILER
    
    	QUOTING SOME OF THIS SPOILER
    
    
    
    
    }}Without trying to inflame the issue (gag!), at first I too thought he
    
    }}But, not to be; her only interest was fanning the flames of passion with
    }}the political type scum (2nd gag!).
    }}At any rate, hot topic for a hot show (3rd gag!).  
    
    I guess I should never have started that "PUN" stuff.
    It seems to be speading like wildfire!  <Choke!>
    
    
    
    
    }}No more, I promise.      :-)
    
    	Burned out, huh?   <gag & choke>
    
    
    
    	-=Dave=-  (I mean, -=Singe=-     8*)
    

    RE:  .114, Dave - er, I mean, Singe
    
    	:-)
    
    
    
    (oh God, I want to respond, but I promised...)
    
    
    -Bill

    *********************SPOILER CONT'D*****************************
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Well, okay, since I got an invite...
    
    After the -.1 entry, I talked it over with my SO, Ashley.  She agreed
    that since I was invited to speak, I may as well:  "Lord knows you're
    impossible when you got something smoldering inside of you," she
    stated.  "The last time you let things build up, you erupted into a mega 
    fireball.  Just be careful of any backdrafts."
    
    At any rate, back to the show:
    
    At first, I was afraid that Scotland Yard lass would engulf Mulder 
    again, as she was clearly trying to rekindle the ole flame.  Fortunately, 
    Mulder was well aware of her flintlike personality, and was able to throw
    some water on the issue.
    
    As for the heated romance between the Scotland Yard lass and the 
    politician, I thought surely the sparkes from those two was going
    to ignite the chemical all over the house.  But, once again, Mulder
    put a damper on things.  Guy should be a fireman.
    
    As for the actor who played Lively, did he get fired up for the 
    climax or what!  (To Singe:  Now that's burnt out!!)
    
    Overall, I still liked this episode:  it left me feeling warm and
    crinkly.
    
    (GAG!!  CHOKE!!) 
    
     
    

    That last reply (.117 by ABACUS::MCCLELLAN_W) was truly incendiary in
    nature. I nearly burnt a hole in my terminal just staring and staring
    at all the fire puns. I'd set mode <FLAME ON> but i really don't wish
    to start any heated debates on the subject. 
    
    PJ(Who says; "For a really hot time call 976-fire. That's 976-3473.")
    
    :-) 

    
    Not to mention the steam...
    
    Cindy

    :-)
    
    PJ

    
            <<< Note 1897.116 by TNPUBS::PAINTER "Planet Crayon" >>>
               -< Oh go ahead...don't leave us guessing...(;^) >-
    
    	NOW YOU'VE DONE IT!  You got them all fired up!
    
    	And of course the inevitable has happened!
    
    
    
    	They've gone and made ashes of themselves!
    
    
    
    
    	Well, SOMEBODY had to say it!  8*)
    
    
    		-=Dave=-
    

    Thank you, Dave.
    
    It's a dirty job, and you're right, someone had to do it.
    
    I heard through the grapevine, the episode was so well received,
    FOX is considering a sesqueal:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    YOU ASHED FOR IT!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Would have responded sooner but "smoke got in my eyes".
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    With Lively being British, and coming over here to the Colonies,
    wouldn't that make it "Smoke On The Water?"
    
    
    
    (Hack, Cough, Gag)
    
    
    - Smokeless In Seattle

    I just got one burning question to ask. re .117 MCCLELLAN_W. Is ASHley,
    your SO, a real HOT chick? :-)
    
    PJ(Who apologizes for this one, but just had to)

    RE:  -.1  ASHley
    
    Well, now, a gentleman never tells.  However...
    
    Let's just say that there is a reason the residence is decorated in
    flame retardant furnishings.  
    
    I remember the first time my dad met ASHley.  He pulled me aside,
    and said:  "Son, remember how I've always told you not to play
    with fire?"
    
    "Yes, Dad", I answered.
    
    He put his arm on my shoulders, smiled, looked over at ASHley in the 
    other room, and sighed, "Never mind."
    
    
    ;-)

    Definitely not a guy I'd want to wear my "So FIRE ME" t-shirt
    around!  He might get the wrong idea.  :)
    
    Ellen

    
                       <<< Note 1897.125 by SWAM2::MERRICK_EL >>>
                           -< Hot under the collar? >-

    }}Definitely not a guy I'd want to wear my "So FIRE ME" t-shirt
    }}around!  He might get the wrong idea.  :)
    
    
    	How about that shirt in combination with hot pants? <Groan & Moan>
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    LAST FRIDAY'S EPISODE:
    
    	I thought it was pretty good given the fact that they were using an
    age old storyline that has been played to death.  After all the
    "Werewolf" type stories I've read and movies I've seen they still
    managed to keep me interested.  I do have a question:
    
    	Maybe it was something I missed, but how did they explain, when the
    creature would be killed off and then it would surface again some years
    later, where it came from?   I mean, if it had been killed off....???
    
    
    
    		-=Dave=-
    
    
    
    		Can you finish this saying?   8*)
    
    (Even a man who is pure of heart and says his prayers each night....)
    
    
    

    
    
    ****** SPOILER ALERT ****** SPOILER ALERT ****** SPOILER ALERT ******
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Well, I see X-Files has gone into blended stories.  Combining the
    North American Native American spirituality of shape-shifting with the
    traditional Werewolf legend was a curious mix.
    
    (WARNING:  PERSONAL OPINION FOLLOWS)
    
    I would have preferred Chris Carter did not do it.  My main objection
    is:
    
    	>  Shape-shifting is a viable part of North America Native 
           American spirituality.  To my knowledge - which is admittedly
           **limited** - shape-shifting has not been identified with acts
           of malicious violence on other human beings.  Self-defense may
           have been an issue on rare occassions.  To me, if I am anywhere
           near correct on this, this episode casts an inaccurate, highly
           misleading representation of a people and their sacred belief
           system.  
    
    	   Be it Native American or whoever, I find misrepresentation of
    	   a people and their beliefs adds to the already over abundance
           of prejudice that separates us as human beings.  
    
    **END OF 2 CENTS**
    
    I almost fell on the floor when Mulder said that comment about his
    deodorant.  Loved it!  Who hasn't said the wrong thing at the wrong
    time with the sincerest of intent?
    
    
    
     

    
    
    	In reference to my previous entry:  I apologize for not putting in
    a spoiler alert.  It was a case of my fingers being to quick on the
    trigger.  I was cleaning my reply and it went off!
    
    			Sorry,
    
    			-=Dave=-
    
    

    
    Just fired it off, huh?
    
    Cindy

    RE:  .128
    
    Dave, really, from the Wild Wild West.  You really must be more
    careful around keyboards.
    
    I believe the statistics from the NKA (National Keyboard Association)
    show that more people are injured cleaning loaded keyboards than
    unloaded.  So, as we all enjoy your well aimed words, please keep
    yourself safe by unloading your keyboard before you clean it.
    
    As to the quote you asked about finishing, I do not know the finish,
    but did have a question:  is there such a man, and if so why 
    haven't we gotten rid of him - he's making the rest of us look bad.
    
    (Don't mean to be preachy, but unsafe keyboard practices, like
    Werewolves, gnaw at me.    ;-))
    
    
    - Bill (if you can't beat em', fang em')
    

replies don't kill people, people kill people


--Angela
(did i just say that?)

    RE:  ANGELA
    
    Yes, you did just say that.  AND, yep, you started the ball rolling...
    
    
    "If replies are outlawed, then only outlaws will have replies"
    
    ;-)

    RE:  .126
    
    Dave:  
    
    Yeah, I caught that also about the Manitoo being killed off, how does
    it come back?
    
    I think it was either a writer slipup, or we, the intellectual audience
    that we are, were to "assume" someone else had also been attacked other
    than the main player.  Frankly, a bit of a stretch, for even us, IMHO.
    
    BTW, I didn't for one second think it was the sister; they were making
    her too obvious.  I must admit that I was thinking it was the father
    up until he got chewed out.  
    
    Question:  If it is a Werewolf, then instead of bite, does it bit?
    
    
    Bill (Inquiring Mind At Large)
    
    

    
      	Don't tell me!  Everyone is at the start of their "Five day waiting
    period" before they can get a reply in?
    
    		(Just fill out this form please.)    8*)
    
    
    
                   <<< Note 1897.130 by BRAT::MCCLELLAN_W >>>
                            -< UNLOAD THAT THING! >-

    }}RE:  .128
    
    }}Dave, really, from the Wild Wild West.  You really must be more
    }}careful around keyboards.
    
    
	True.  And did you ever try and keep them out of the reach of
    children?
    
    
    
    }}As to the quote you asked about finishing, I do not know the finish,
    }}but did have a question:  is there such a man, and if so why 
    }}haven't we gotten rid of him - he's making the rest of us look bad.
    
    BILL!  It's from the original movie: The Werewolf
    
    Even a man who is pure of heart and says his prayers each night,
    will turn into a wolf when the wolfsbane blooms 
    and the autumn moon is bright.  
    
    }}(Don't mean to be preachy, but unsafe keyboard practices, like
    }}Werewolves, gnaw at me.    ;-))
    
    	Eat heart your out!
    
    (Oh Bill!  I'm twirling my keyboard around.......!)
    
    
    		-=Dave=-
    

    RE:  .134   :-), and thanks for the info on the Werewolf trivia.  For
          some strange reason I kept thinking of the Werewolf who used to
          be on Little House On The Prairie.  ;-)
    
    
    "I'll give up my replies when they pry my cold, dead fingers off the
    keyboard"
    
    
    Bill
    
    

the recurrence of the werewolf every 8-10
years or so (even though it had suppopsedly
been killed off) reminded me of IT (by King)
where Pennywise the clown (in various evil forms)
would come back every 25 (?) years or so
even after people banded together to kill it.

--angela


p.s. "Reply to 'em all and let the moderator
     sort 'em out"

	(ohhhh, this is a very baaaaaaaaaad thing....)

    
    'let the moderator sort 'em out'
    
    Nah. (;^>  Won't happen here.
    
    Cindy

    RE:  .136
    
    Angela:
    
    Your p.s. is priceless - baaaaaaaaad, but priceless.   :-)
    
    
    Bill
    
    p.s.  Wasn't there another Stephen King Werewolf story, Silver Reply,
    	  or something like that?

    
                   <<< Note 1897.135 by BRAT::MCCLELLAN_W >>>
                            -< Hey, Black Tooth... >-

    }}RE:  .134   :-), and thanks for the info on the Werewolf trivia.  For
         }}some strange reason I kept thinking of the Werewolf who used to
         }}be on Little House On The Prairie.  ;-)
    
    
    	No No!  That was "I was a teenage lycanthope"  or something like
    that!    8*)
    
    	Actually, Bill, I did give you some misinformation.  I'm surprised
    somebody didn't nail me on it!  The movie wasn't called The Werewolf,
    it was called The Wolf Man.
    
    
    	-=Dave=-
    
    
    		Dear Mr. Gates,
    
    		I'm heading for the MicroSoft sweatshop and I'm
    		packing an LK-402 Assault Keyboard!
    
    				Sincerely,
    
    				A Disgruntled Software Tech
    
    

    RE:  .139
    
    
    FOUL!   FOUL!  FOUL!  FOUL!  FOUL!   FOUL!  FOUL!  FOUL!  FOUL!
    
    Lycanthope is not in my dictionary!  I don't know what it is!
    Is it related to a Jackolope?
    
    Dave, had you been forthright about the movie the second time,
    I would have accepted your apology.  But, really, The Wolf Man?
    
    Since no one took you up on the first one, I'll take you up on
    this one.  EVERYONE knows The Wolf Man is a radio DJ, not a 
    movie!!!!!   
    
    Nice try.    ;-)
    
    
    Now, don't be too hard on Mr. Gates.  Keep in mind he's under a lot
    of stress and duress.  I hear he's getting married.  We must remain
    compassionate  ;-).
    
    As for being armed with a keybord, Shirley, you can't be serious.
    
    
    
    (p.s. for those of you totally nauseated by this notestring this week,
    take heart, there's a new episode on tonight)
    
    
    :-)

    
    Bill Gates did get married to Melinda French several months ago, and 
    hired his own Hawaiian island (if I remember the supermarket tabloid 
    correctly (;^).  
    
    He had such incredibly tight security - including helicoptors patroling 
    the area, that even the paparazzi that shot the infamous pictures of 
    Fergie probably couldn't have gotten through. 
    
    Cindy

    RE:  -.1
    
    D*mn, I missed it!
    
    I really must stop using the grocery express line - the world is
    passing me by.
    
    Did your "source" happen to mention if there was a pre-nuptual?
    
    - Inquiring Mind 

Now about this "single-reply" theory.....

What was the smoking reply?  a magic
sentence that twisted and turned through
the entire conference?


--angela
(may god forgive me)

    
    Re.142
    
    No mention of a pre-nuptial.
    
    Cindy

    RE:  .144
    
    	Thanks, Cindy.  Hope their happy, healthy and techno-ish.
    
    
    RE:  4/8/94 Episode of X-Files
    
    	Noters from any other conference will think I'm crazy, but I
    	know you folks "dare to believe".
    
    	I had the most psychic experience ever while watching Friday's
    	episode.  It was truely DEJAVU.  
    
    	Prior to the show, I had been doing some psychic mental 
    	exercises.  I guess I really kicked into something because I
    	knew everything that was going to happen in the show -
    	before it happened!  
    
    	At first it was erie, but I really focused on being open, and
    	dispel my fear;  just let it happen.  It was weird, but 
    	wonderful at the same time.
    
    	I mean, right down to some of the dialogue.
    
    	It was  great experience.  Now, if I can just find a way to
    	hold onto that energy or power or whatever it was.
    
    	Anyone else have any similar type experiences recently?
    
    -Bill 

    
    Re -1
    
    
    Yes, Bill. Everytime I watch a rerun. ;^)
    
    
    
    Marilyn

    RE: -.1
    
    oh.
    
    
    ;-)

    
    
    
    SPOILER ALERT ******** SPOILER ALERT ********* SPOILER ALERT ********* 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I thought it was a pretty good episode.  It kept me interested for most
    of the show.
    
    The 1934 incident didn't appear to be fully explained.  It's possible I
    missed something.  Why didn't the insects proliferate back then, as it 
    appeared there was a serious threat they would this time.  Or, are we 
    to assume the situation was contained back then?
    
    Did anyone else catch the UFO or airplane going across the screen in
    the background of the scene where there is a transition from a closeup
    of the light bulb to dawn?  It occurred about midway through the show.
    
    -Bill
    

    
    Bill,
    
    No, I didn't catch the UFO. It was probably due to the fact that I
    didn't like this particular episode as much. My attention kept 
    wandering.
    
    
    Marilyn

    RE:  Marilyn
    
    Anything in particular about the episode bugging you?
    
    ;-)

    
    Hi,
    
    No, I just find the subject matter repellent ;^)
    
    
    Marilyn

    SPOILER ALERT*******************************************************
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Any comments on last Friday's episode?
    
    Didn't they do one of these types previously (or was this a repeat)?
    
    The 30 year thing made me think I was watching Stephen King's "IT":
    same theme = comes back every 30 years to feed for hibernation.
    
    I did like the smoking gun analogy they did with the manhole after the
    creature got away from Mulder once.
    
    The escalator climax didn't cut it.  Those things are turned on and 
    off with keys; not just a switch.
    
    -Bill

    Bill,
    
    Last week's episode was a "sequel" to an earlier show they did with 
    the same guy, Eugene Toomey (or Tooney). I saw only about 40 minutes of
    the show, my little boy was with me and it got too intense for him, so
    I had to change the channel.
    
    Care to enter a synopsis of the last half?
    
    
    Marilyn

    Last half:
    
    	Toomey targets his fifth victim and sneaks into the house to get 
    	the victim, but Mulder interrupts him.
    
    	Toomey's shrink comes to visit him in his room while the folks 
    	Toomey is staying at leave for the evening.  The shrink becomes
    	the fifth victim.
    
    	S&M discover the shrink remains too late, but know where Toomey is
    	headed, so they go to a department store.  Mulder discovers where
    	Toomey hibernates - under the escalator.  Mulder climbs down into
    	the very narrow space and down a small tunnel to a little room type
    	place where Toomey has built his cocoon.  Mulder interrupts him
    	again, and is attacked by Toomey.
    
    	Mulder crawls toward the opening, with Scully trying to pull him
    	up and Toomey pulling him down.  Mulder gets up enough to hit the
    	start switch on the escalator, which chews up Toomey.
    
    	End of episode.
    
    	(no more liver and onions for me   ;-) )
    
    -Bill

    
    Ugh! Thanks, Bill for entering it, I'm glad I switched channels. I
    don't think the end would have been appropriate viewing for my son.
    
    Thanks again!
    
    
    Marilyn

    The climax was done ala Alfred Hitchcock:  you don't actually see the
    gore.  They just showed Toomey's top half being dragged away, and then
    some blood on the escalator steps.  Still, it was probably a wise thing
    not to have the youngsters view even that because as AH knew, the
    imagination is far more effective than anything shown on screen.
    
    Any suggestions for a season finale?  
    
    I propose S&M be abducted by aliens while investigating the
    government's secret Area 51.
    
    
    

    how about S&M investigate elvis sightings?  (just kidding)....
    
    this next (new?) episode on friday looks like the exorcist.
    
    --angela

    SPOILER ALERT ********************SPOILER ALERT*********************
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Didn't take Mulder long to get on this week's mystery.  
    
    Is it me, or has our show lost some zip recently?
    
    
    -Bill

    ********** PROGRAM ********** ALERT ********* PROGRAM ********* ALERT
    
    Season finale is this Friday - and
    
    how appropriate - 
    
    Friday the 13th...
    
    (Gawd, I love this Chris Carter!)
    
    

    SPOILER ALERT ****** SPOILER ALERT ****** SPOILER ALERT ******
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I thought Chris and the gang ended the season with a good show.  There
    were a few loose ends, but overall the episode kept my interest.  The
    cross-breeding plot was excellent (although I'm sure they could have
    done just as well with the Elvis sightings suggestion  ;-) ).
    
    Hopefully, S&M will be a LOT more smarter and CAREFUL next season. 
    They both did some less than smart things, even after all their
    experience this season.  This was especially true after "Deep Throat"
    gave them the inside dope at the storage facility.
    
    Speaking of "DT", I kinda liked the guy, and was sorry, but not
    surprised, to see him get whacked.  And, wasn't that a headshot?  
    I thought it was, but I could be wrong.  "DT" seemed rather tidy
    by the time Scully got to him.  Pretty sloppy hit by the hitman;
    only one bullet - must be a cost cutting measure.  Oh by the way, 
    Scully, nice backup.  Remind me not to have you back me up.
    
    Mulder will be on his own next season without "DT", unless someone
    else comes along to help out.
    
    I thought they set up for next season rather well.
    
    Is it fall yet?
    
    Enjoy the reruns, gang, and have a great summer!
    
    -Bill

    i was a little disappointed with the episode... maybe 
    because i was disappointed with the tv version of the
    Stand (but that's another conference)
    
    nice take off of Raiders of the Lost Ark... putting
    the alien fetus away in the huge storage room.
    
    I *am* looking forward to next season - maybe they'll
    go more in depth about M's sister...
    
    --angela

    I stand corrected:  DT took one in the chest, not the head.
    
    Actually, I also may stand corrected about Mulder being on his own
    next season.  DT could still continue to communicate with him
    psychically, and be even more helpful than he is now.
    
    Lots of possibilities.  Wonder if we should offer our services to the
    writers?  (still might be hope for an Elvis sighting episode  ;-) )
    
    
    

    X-Files begins new season this Friday, 9/16/94.
    
    -Bill
    

    Has anyone been keeping up with the new season shows, how are they
    compared to last seasons???
    
    
    - Totally taken by the X

    The recent three part series was quite good. There have been one or two
    that have been quite scary/gruesom(sp). On balance I continue to enjoy
    the series. Here in Seattle the new "Outer Limits" follows X-Files on
    Friday night. Some of those shows have been outstanding. 
    
    Not to get too far off track, but from other sources I understand that
    some of the bad light that the FBI is cast in (in the X-Files) is not
    far off the mark. 
    
    	Howard

    that circus one (i think it was a repeat) around Halloween was great!
    they have been pretty good as of late (better than last year)
    
    --angela

    Anyone catch last friday's show about the killer roaches??  I have
    to say it was a classic and I laughed throughout the show..

    Does anyone know if there will be an X-convention in the mass area??

    I saw this weeks episode and I have to say,  it wasn't one of their 
    best..    
    
    	Starts with two janitors working in lobby when all of a sudden,
    the floor begins to shake,  then the windows explode, then it's all
    quiet again.   The  camera  then  moves  to a bunch of construction 
    workers  and  they  see their construction signs being knocked down
    by an unknown force and  one  of the  workers was killed.  Then you
    see a man driving a tractor trailer  down  a  road,  he then slamms
    on the brakes when he see's the  Elephant  running  down  the  road
    towards him.   He  almost  hits  it, but stops just in time and the 
    Elephant walks up to his door, looks in, and then continues running
    down the road where it drops dead of exhaustion  after  running  46 
    miles from the zoo where it came from. 
    
    This  is  where  Mulder  and  Scully  come into the picture.  Their 
    investigating the dead  worker  trying  to  find  out  how  he  was 
    crushed to death,  the  windows  exploding  and  the car having one
    whole side smashed in and no one saw a thing.  They  investigate  a  
    group of animal activist  who  they  feel may  have something to do 
    with the Elephants escape.  While Mulder is doing his thing, Scully
    follows one of activist to the zoo where the activist is killed  by
    a tiger that disappears in a white light, and is now invisible.  As
    this is happening, the camera is on and taping his death and Scully
    is  off  with  the  head  of the zoo who caught her sneaking around
    following the activist. Mulder saw the tape and said that the tiger
    didn't kill the man, a fanthom did it.   This  did not go over well
    with Scully who says he  was  mauled  by  the  tiger  and  that  it 
    couldn't have been anything else.
    
    	Scully goes back to the headquarters of the activists and tells
    the leader that  if  he  had  any  part  in  this,  that he will be 
    spending the rest of his life behind bars.  Mudler talks to a woman
    that works with a gorrilla that can speak thru  sign  language  and
    trys to tell her that the animals that are disappearing, are  being 
    impregnanted  by  alians  and  are  being  returned.   She  doesn't 
    believe him for a  second  untill she and Scully perform an autopsy 
    on the Elephant and find out that she was pregnant. The tiger shows
    up at  a  construction  site  and has two workers trapped.  Mulder, 
    Scully and the two people from the  zoo go to  capture  it,  but it 
    ends up being killed while trying to attack the woman. After Scully
    does another autopsy, she finds out that  the  tiger  was  pregnant 
    too.
    
    	Police come into the scene and give the woman a warrent to take
    the gorrilla away from her to return it back to the jungle where it
    came  from.  The manager  takes  the  gorrilla  and  hides  it in a 
    warehouse to help  out  the  woman  since  the  activist  wouldn't.  
    The  activist  shows  up  at  the  warehouse  where  he  is killed, 
    (shouldn't have been there), by the manager.  The  woman  confesses  
    to Scully and tells her where the  gorrilla  is  being  kept and by 
    who.  Mulder goes to the warehouse and confronts  the manager about 
    the gorrilla  and  tells  him  to  calm  her  down before she hurts 
    herself because she was  trashing  about  in the cage.  Mulder gets 
    locked  in  the  cage with the gorrilla and  gets  roughed  up abit 
    before she signs him a message and disappears  in the  while light.  
    Scully finds Mulder passed  out  in the  cage  and  tells  him  the 
    manager has been caught  and  what happened.  Mulder, while bleding  
    from  a  minor head wound, rushes out to the car to ask  the  woman  
    what  the  sign  meant  that the gorrilla was  trying  to tell him, 
    and she said that it didn't make any since, "Man save Man".  In the 
    end, they find the gorrilla dead side the road after she was hit by 
    car, and she was pregnant.  End of story!!
    
    
      
    
    
    
    
    

    re -1
    
    They must be running out of things, that show was a rerun.
    
    later,
    rj/31334
    

Hmm that one showed last night here. 

Conversation has been over how it's a reasonable one,
the reason the animals were returned (having had 
their babies harvested) outside of the zoo was in 
theory to do with the world turning beneath the 
alien ship, except for the fact that they never 
explained why the elephant was invisible when it 
returned... personally I reckon it was cause it's 
easier to dress someone up as a gorilla getting 
scared than it is as an elephant.

:-)

    Temper - Temper!!!  I was waiting for her to loose her cool in the 
    latest show..  Him drinking Vodka, her smoking while pacing the room
    complaining about him, good show...