Conference hydra::dejavu

    Reply to .0, Barnette,
    
    First we need to ask ourselves why we think we live in the Aquarian
    Age. What indiciators are there? What proof? Are we living in sky
    castles of our own design?
    
    I for one think we ARE NOT living in the Aquarian Age. What most fits
    this time is the so called Age of Flowers. The age of shallow
    movements, limited thinking and unrealistic expectations of what is to
    come.
    
    And there is some discussion as to when the Aquarian Age really
    starts. Some think it will occur some 400 years from now. Perhaps our
    astrological participants could explain this. As fo now I see nothing
    but diminishing Picean Age energies.

 I think we're in the Piscean Age right now.  As a point of interest as
 it relates to your questions, somewhere in here I entered an article by
 a university professor that compares the dawn of the Aquarian age with
 the dawn on the Piscean age (around the birth of Christ) and how it 
 manifested itself in the symbols and practices of the time.  Unfortunately,
 I don't remember which note it was in reply to.  I think it had something
 to do with Harmonic Convergence.  If you're interested I can mail you
 a hard copy.

 Terry

    
    	Re .1, I was kinda addressing the basenote to those (in this
    	conference) for whom the Aquarian Age is a reality. I didn't
    	want to discourage input form those that scoff at such a thing,
    	but I was hoping that they would register their opinions with
    	humor, with "feathers not flames". Your note *seems* a little
    	p!ssed-off, or maybe it's just my perception?
    
    	I respect the things you believe in (as given in some of your
    	other notes), and I don't see you as inferior just because you
    	believe diffreently than I do. I left a postscript to note .0,
    	asking those who believe differently for their patience.
    
    	If it seems like .0 is getting people steamed, I will be happy
    	to delete it.
    
    Neal/B

    
    	Re .2, I'm sure I'll find it, after all there are only 1143
    	notes and their replies to read ;^). 
    
    	Seriously, though, yeah I would like to read the hardcopy.
    
    > I think we're in the Piscean Age right now.  As a point of interest as

    	Sometimes, when there is a warm spell in mid-March, people
    	call it "Spring" even though calendar Spring has yet to occur.
    	Similiarly, cold, snowy days in April are "Winter". In any case,
    	I can feel that we are on a cusp of some sort. (No Mikie I can't
    	"prove" it, in all the years of my life I have yet to see a
    	single spiritual concept that can be empirically "proven").
    	There are Crocuses, those little flowers that blossom in February,
    	poking their little heads above the snow of greed, agression,
    	bigotry and hate that is the general reality of today's world.
    	I see them, and I think "Aquarius". 
    
    	Peace be among us all!
    
    Neal/B

    Reply to the last -.2, Neal,
    
    Yes I think we are on the cusp of a different time. That's why I refer
    to it as the Age of Flowers. I see it as a time of trying new and
    different ideas, new paths, new technologies, new psychologies, etc.
    But only the best and most realistic will survive, all the rest will
    wither.
    
    Nah, I ain't pissed. B^) It seems to serve us well to speculate, but we
    need to realize that it's all specualtion. If we, the community of
    Dejavuers, are slowly putting something together we need to design
    something that is well built, something that will last a while.
    
    To me personally much of the Aquarian Age stuff is poo-poo, simply
    fluff that falls outta' peoples brains. Some of it, that critical 10%,
    is very important, perhaps life changing. And one percent of that total
    might even be world changing.
    
    Sp please go on and speculate what and how you like. I enjoy it. But
    I'd like to ask a few questions along the way. B^) Tee-hee.

    
    Re .5,
    
    >    Yes I think we are on the cusp of a different time. That's why I refer
>    to it as the Age of Flowers. I see it as a time of trying new and

    Different names, same thing? I sometimes see  the different belief
    systems among us as being analogous to different languages. What
    is the word for "flower" in French? "Fleur"? To a Frenchman, calling
    a fleur a flower probably sounds vulgar and ignorant.
    
    >    need to realize that it's all specualtion. If we, the community of
>    Dejavuers, are slowly putting something together we need to design
>    something that is well built, something that will last a while.

    Oh. I thought we were here to share our experiences, feelings,
    speculations etc. I didn't know I stepped into the middle of
    a project in progress.
    
    >    To me personally much of the Aquarian Age stuff is poo-poo, simply
>    fluff that falls outta' peoples brains. Some of it, that critical 10%,

    Many people who don't believe as I do simply dismiss my ideas
    as blathering idiocy. They don't know that I love them for that.
    Why? because it is so much better than being beheaded, burned
    at the stake, starved to death or any of the other hideous ends
    I have come to in previous lives for speaking of such things
    (again, no proof!).
    
    Neal/B                                                                
    

    Reply to .6, Neal,
    
    Dejavu can do what it likes. It still is made up of people like you and
    me. So you wanna' create something positive or ...?

    Hi Neal,
    
    I attended a retreat last weekend where most of the people could be
    described as believers in the Aquarian Age (me among them).  Your base
    note pretty much reflects my personal beliefs.
    
    One of the speakers gave a lecture about the last 10 years and the
    upcoming 10 years.  She spoke a bit about how the previous ten had been
    spent by most of the participants as laying the foundation or platform
    of the bridge.  She saw the next 10 as the actual building of the
    'bridge' into the future.  A tape was made of her talk.  Hopefully, if
    I get a copy and can transcribe it, I would be happy to Email it to those
    interested.  (Donald, did the tape come out ok?  Will I be able to get
    copies??!)
    
    Thanks Neal for starting this note.
    
    In love and peace,
    
    Ro
    

    As for whether the Aquarian Age is upon us and whether it's
    well-defined, think of the "definitions" of certain decades.  For
    example, "the 60s" as we think of them didn't really take on their
    "atmosphere" until the mid-to-latter years of the decade.  It may
    well be the same with an "Age" -- we don't know we're in it until
    we've been there for a long while.
    
    Technically, the Age of Aquarius is supposed to start in the year
    2000.  Each "Age" lasts 2000 years; the Piscean Age started at the
    birth of Christ.  The Age of Aries (2000 BC to 1 AD) marked the
    rise of western civilization as we know it, including all the famous
    wars in classical literature.  Before that, the Age of Taurus
    (4000-2000 BC) marked the rise of civilization in Egypt, Mesopotamia,
    and the ancient Mycenaean and Minoan civilizations.  Remember the
    Cretan bull-leapers?
    
    These are all just gross generalizations, of course, and the
    definitions look awfully neat.  (Somehow I have trouble visualizing
    an ancient Roman astrologer talking about being in the Age of Aries,
    but that's just me.)  Here they are, though, for what it's worth.
    
    --Karen

    
    	Hi Ro (do people really call you that?). What do you think about
    	the age beyond, which I think is Saggitarius? Is it too early
    	to think or speak of such things? Being the curious type (most
    	would say 'nosy' 8^), I ponder what kind a future might lie
    	ahead in say, 4,000 years. Might we be creators of whole worlds
    	then, rather than individual realities? Will such things as
    	psychic powers be universal, rather than manifested in so few?
    	Will we even have need of physical, three-dimensional form?
    
    Neal/B (no they don't call me neal-slash-b 8^)

    Reply to .9, Karen,
    
    Thanx fo the info.
    
    Here's a neat question. If in the Taurian Age bulls were the objects
    of adoration AND sacrifice, and if in the Areian Age goats/sheep were
    the objects of adoration AND sacrifice, what will be the object of
    adoration AND sacrifice of the Aquraian Age? [This is kinda' a trick
    question as the object of adoration AND sacrifice of the Picean Age
    wasn't fishes. B^]
    

    RE: .1 "Age of Flowers", Hey Mikey, come on, grow up kid!
    
    (:>)
    
    I call it the age of enlightenment!  If you think about it people in
    many different countries, Nationalities, lifestyles, religions, etc.
    are becoming more aware of other movements, and openness around them.
    In Russia you have Glasnost!  In South Africa, you have the Apartheid
    (sp) movement.  In Western Europe, & the satelite counties of Russia we
    have vast changes in Governments, People by the thousands are leaving
    their countries for more open, Democratic societies.  In China, we have
    the recent, (and I'm sure not yet over, probably underground) attempts
    to bring about a more democratic state. In Central America, we have the
    recent attempt to overthrow General Noriega and his government in
    Panama.  In Bolivia, and much of South America, we have the War or
    Drugs.  World wide we have the International movements to eliminate
    Nucleur Weapons, ( that finally seems to be working), particularly
    between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. Also, the elimination of Chemical
    weapons.  
    	In the U. S. we see all kinds of changes: renewal of Black
    and other ethnic movements, where the government has failed to educate
    and overcome racisms.  The right to Life and Anti-Abortion Groups.  The
    Gay rights movements.  The War on Drugs in our own country and the
    educational movements towards our youth to fight it.  The recent fall
    of some of the large Religious movements and organizations from grace,
    such as the PTL, Jim Baker, etc.,  
    	In the medical world, we have numerous new advances in medicine and
    treatments, cures, and are learning more and more everyday about our
    own bodies and the effects of our enviroment and foods on them.  
    	These are only a few, of what I'm sure are hundreds of changes that
    either have or are still unfolding in todays world.  How long will it
    take to complete this cycle. Your guess is as good as mine.  I'm just
    glad to see a lot of it finally coming about.
    
    Dan

    
    Re .9 Hi Karen,
    
        >    As for whether the Aquarian Age is upon us and whether it's
>    well-defined, think of the "definitions" of certain decades.  For
>    example, "the 60s" as we think of them didn't really take on their
>    "atmosphere" until the mid-to-latter years of the decade.  It may
>    well be the same with an "Age" -- we don't know we're in it until
>    we've been there for a long while.
                   
    I picture the ages as being more in the nature of seasons, gradually
    fading from one to the next, their actual start/end dates being
    useful only for historical perspective. In New England at least,
    the seasons are of disparate length - Spring usually lasts only 
    about eight weeks or so, whereas Winter seems to last about five
    months. So it is with ages, or at least I would think it would be.
    
    Different sources differ (ha-ha) upon how long, in years, an "age"
    lasts. I've seen 2,000 years, 2,100, 2,200 and 2,400. With apologies
    to Mikie, I think something epoch-marking very definitely happened
    ~2,000 years ago, and I sense something building again. I don't
    think that the actual year .a.d. 2000 will seem markedly different
    than 1999, any more than last September 22 seemed different than
    September 21. But I can see the buds on the trees of our existence,
    emerging even through the ice of mankind's winter.
    
    Neal/B

    Yes Neal that's what they call me, among other things  ;')
    
    I know I've read somewhere about that next age, but I can't remember
    the source or details.  I guess I tend to concentrate on the 'now' and
    identifying my soul's purpose for this incarnation.  Also, if I have a
    choice (and I believe I do), I'd choose this to be my last incarnation. 
    Unless I got real 'curious' as to how life in the Aquarian Age was
    going and I had some cleanup work to do.
    
    Bet Frederick will have a good answer for your question on whether we
    would be 'creators of whole worlds, rather than individual realities?'
    I think psychic powers will become universal in the Aquarian Age.  At
    the retreat I mentioned earlier, I was surrounded by people of varying
    degrees of psychic powers and gifts.  It seems more and more ordinary
    folks are developing their latent psychic talents.
    
    And finally, I for one would be happy to throw away the need/desire for
    the physcial form and believe that too will come about sometime
    (probably towards the end) of the Aquarian Age.
    
    Ro (which is a nickname for Rosetta)
    

    
    >    Here's a neat question. If in the Taurian Age bulls were the objects
>    of adoration AND sacrifice, and if in the Areian Age goats/sheep were
>    the objects of adoration AND sacrifice, what will be the object of
>    adoration AND sacrifice of the Aquraian Age? [This is kinda' a trick
>    question as the object of adoration AND sacrifice of the Picean Age
>    wasn't fishes. B^]
    

    	Hmmm. Water bearers? Water?
    
    "...and the sea was no more..." Revelations (somewhere)
    
    yuk yuk!
    
    Neal/B

    To answer, or attempt to answer, the base notes' question I'd say that
    what lies beyond the Aquarian Age depends heavily upon what we do and
    learn today.
    
    Personally I see a vastly different society and federation of soceities
    than what is notmally perceived today.
    
    I see a reality in which people live as long as they want. Thousands of
    years perhaps, where people can tap into information and resource
    networks which provide their basic needs (perceived today as mystical
    connections with the All), including sexual needs, where artificial
    intelligence rivals the best amplified human intelligences (taping into
    the higher minds, Adepts, Superior Beings), a reality where transport
    of physical materials is not necessary as neurolgical transferences
    will be a routine daily occurance (perceived today as telepathy and
    telekinesis). 
    
    But most _frightening_ and most _promising_ is the perception that the
    human animal will be seen as a sentinent biological machine which can
    be programed and reengineered to better specs, just as any other item
    or thing can be reengineered. I see amplified thoughts, amplified
    bodies, amplified feelings, amplified perceptions, amplified
    sensations, and new orders of "busyness" (ya' gotta' have something to
    do with all that ability).  Nanotechnology, mature human based
    sciences, amplified psychologies, amplified loves and desires should be
    the norm.
    
    What we wish for today in precognisence and telepathy will be a daily
    necessity in that reality. We should encounter and engage discarnate
    life forms, communicating with them via devices like telephones.
    Perhaps we'll meet energyforms passing through our little dimension,
    call them Gods if you like. Some will be friends and enemies, others
    will be pets. (Rover, go see who's in the kitchen.) I see a vastly
    different future shaping. And I see much alignment troubles.
    

    The Earth's axis of rotation wobbles very slightly.  Thus, if we drew a
    line from the South Pole through the North Pole and out into space, that
    line would not point directly at the North Star, but rather would slowly
    encircle it once every 24000+ years or so (or about 2000+ years to
    pass through each of 12 zodiac signs).  This process is called the
    "precession" of the Earth's axis.
    
    If the North Star is assumed to be a central point which falls within no
    sign (or all signs) then the current AGE is called the AGE of Pisces
    because the Earth's axis line is currently directed towards a point
    within the zodiac section called Pisces relative to the North Star.
    
    The precession of the Earth's axis follows a "clockwise" direction
    around the zodiac, while the zodiac is ordered in a "counter-clockwise"
    direction.  The absolute clock-face directions don't really matter
    except to show that it precesses in reverse of the standard astrological
    zodiac organization.  Thus, while typically the signs progress from
    ..Aries to Taurus to Gemini.. the precession of the axis transits from
    ..Aries to Pisces to Aquarius to Capricorn..
    
    Thus the Earth's axis currently points to a zodiac position identified
    as the very _beginning_ of Pisces (between 0 and 1 degrees of Pisces)
    and is about to precess into Aquarius, which is then to be followed by
    the AGE of Capricorn, and then the AGE of Sagittarius, Scorpio, Libra...
    
    						Todd

    Reply to .14, Neal,
    
      >	Hmmm. Water bearers? Water?
    
    You got it. And it's not particularly an illogical conception of
    reality. The Aquarian Age will probably adore AND sacrifice human
    nature. We will be seen as Gods of the past while the New Human will
    live other programs.

    
    Thanks for the info Todd! (Shows how much I know about astrology 8^).
    
    I've also read that the Earth's "wobble" takes ~26,000 years
    to complete - thus accounting for the differing views on how
    long an "age" is.
    
    Neal/B

    Reply to .17, Todd,
    
    Thanx Todd,
    
   > Thus the Earth's axis currently points to a zodiac position identified
   > as the very _beginning_ of Pisces (between 0 and 1 degrees of Pisces)
   > and is about to precess into Aquarius, which is then to be followed by
   > the AGE of Capricorn, and then the AGE of Sagittarius, Scorpio,
   > Libra...
    
    And approx. when will the pole actually move into Aquarius? Another
    question involves the different astrological systems emerging today.
    One system shows Libra (my sign, snicker B^) taking only half a house
    while two other constellations are impinging the Zodiac. Are there any
    new constellations forcing their way into the Zodiac at this point in
    time?

    
    Re .18,
    
    >    nature. We will be seen as Gods of the past while the New Human will
>    live other programs.

    Interesting Mikie. What is a 'program', in this context?
    
    Neal/B

    Reply to .21, Neal,
    
    The program is the individuals neurogenetic social complex. All the
    factors including genetics, genetic disposition, type and level of
    thought, materials consumed (emotionally and physically) which modify
    the neurogenetic complex. The body is the mind is the body. Any affect
    upon the body is an affect upon the mind which becomes the newer
    program.
    
    New programs will emerge. Of their types and kinds I can only guess. I
    will say that economics will play it's usual part.

re: .1 (Me)

    I found (whew!) the note I entered that talks about the Piscean and
    Aquarian Ages.  If you're intertested see 827.8 (an article by a
    university professor).

    Terry

    reply to .22, Handy,
    
   > re:morgan
   >         I can see why you ask the questions you do!!Concepts,concepts,
   > will get you nowhere.The future cannot be developed with the mind.
   > Where do you get your authority???Fluff!!!!!
    
    Say what you like, the human mind _will_ create our futures. Either we
    take control of the process by taking control of our minds or we suffer
    the effects of a horribly skewed process.
    
    My authoirty is ME. Don't forget it. B^)
    
    You make a _deadly_ assumption in even assuming that a spirit exists.
    We cannot even assume a human future exists at this point. We can
    however strive to build one though. 
    
    What if spirit does not exist? Where will you be? The Void? I sense
    some real dogma here. And I just happen to have a peck of catma on
    hand...
    

    
    Re .24, that's why response time has been so slow. Terry Kasper
    has been doing a Search on the DEJAVU conference for the string,
    "ages". 8^)
    
    Re .23,
    
    %BARNETTE-F-POLYSYLLABLE, reply contains a word with too many syllables
    
    (looks like i need a software upgrade now!)
    
    Neal/B

    Just read 827.8. Have a powerful urge to cross-post it in IOSG::YOU_
    KNOW_WHERE. Someone talk me out of it! Quick!
    
    Seriously though, "coincidences" like some of those in 827.8 have
    a kind of ring to them, with me - maybe I just like the sound of
    them, or maybe there's something to them - at this point I lean
    toward the latter. Interesting thought, that Aquarian religious
    thought might supplant Christianity. Did the ancient Pagans resist
    their subjugation as vigorously as the Fundamentalists are fighting
    against "New-Ageism" now? Also, Christianity kinda went on the
    offensive (in a very physical way, I might add) against the ancient
    beliefs. I think the Aquarian age will be more Yin in nature (if
    I use the term correctly), and note of a nature to force things
    down people's throats.
    
    Neal/B

    re:25
        The human mind enlightened by the spirit will create.Once a
    majority of the people are outside of this thing called Karma,and
    become thier own stars.Very few people controll their minds,most are
    reacting to emotional programing.Yours i can feel is full of fear and
    confusion.Limited human ego is no authority!Blind.One more murmering
    soul.?
         I dont assume anything!I KNOW...Just like that.
    You to could have knowing, its available to all.

    
    Re PACKER::HANDY (I don't know your name), do you believe then that
    there are no "ages" as such, stages of progression for the human
    race as a whole?
    
    Neal/B

    RE: <<< Note 1143.27 by NAAD::BARNETTE "Reaching for my distant Destiny..." >>>
        
   > Just read 827.8. Have a powerful urge to cross-post it in IOSG::YOU_
   > KNOW_WHERE. Someone talk me out of it! Quick!
    
    Ok, don't do it. It'll backfire anyway. B^)
      
   > Seriously though, "coincidences" like some of those in 827.8 have
   > a kind of ring to them, with me - maybe I just like the sound of
   > them, or maybe there's something to them - at this point I lean
   > toward the latter. 
    
    Although I disagree with what doomed the Greek and Roman Empires I will
    agree with the premise of the article.
                                           
   > Interesting thought, that Aquarian religious thought might supplant
   > Christianity. Did the ancient Pagans resist their subjugation as
   > vigorously as the Fundamentalists are fighting against "New-Ageism"
   > now? Also, Christianity kinda went on the offensive (in a very physical
   > way, I might add) against the ancient beliefs. I think the Aquarian age
   > will be more Yin in nature (if I use the term correctly), and note of a
   > nature to force things down people's throats. 
                                                       
    The ancient pagans didn't fight the emerging metaphors the way the
    fundamentalists do today. There's was more a political question than
    religious. Rome was famous for tolerance of other religious structures.
    But over time, due to health concerns, criminal elements in government,
    and general public disinterest (sounds like today??) Rome, like it's
    predesessors, lost the race to cultural immortality. Politically one had
    to venerate, worship the Emperors genus, which I take was his spirit or
    divinity. Mostly it was just his 'greatness" that was worhiped.
    
    Our local neighborhood Christians wouldn't worship it. Then it was a
    political crime, not a religious crime, and became a kind of litmus
    test. Another problem perceived was that the Romans thought the
    Christain Cult abhorent because of human sacrifice. Long before,
    perhaps some centuries Romans and Greeks turned to animal and vegetable
    sacrifice as human sacrifice was thought to be bad.
    
    And yes there will be troubles now as new forces align and confront
    each other.
    

    Reply to .28, Handy,
    
    I disagree. I perceive that we assume that we know. There is a
    difference.

    
    
    Consider, possibly, there are cultural boundries being crossed
    here and with those a real set-up for mis-communication.
    
    Let us just say for a moment that myth and experience are identical.
    Yes, both valid, and yes pointing at a higher truth.
    
    l

    Re: .28  (Handy)
    
    There's something about the way you present your feelings and
    "knowings" that doesn't seem natural for me.  I hope you don't 
    mind me mentioning it.  I agree with many of the things you say, 
    yet your "position" seems to be one of being greater than others -- 
    and I get the visual image of you shouting down from your "elevation", 
    at those you see as lesser.  This, in no way encourages me to join you.
    
    I think if someone is truly focused on talking about their "elevation", 
    then they can't be experiencing it very fully.  There must be much 
    better things to do (in exploring that new space) than in shouting down 
    at others.
    
    As for helping others reach certain heights...I think it's done 
    naturally with love and understanding.  People usually won't do what
    you tell them to do...so telling them what they should be doing, may
    make them turn away.  It also doesn't show any respect for their
    Godliness.  Loving them, and encouraging them to question for 
    themselves, may be much better in aiding them to stop whatever dramas 
    they may be interested in stopping.  But it's up to them...and being 
    pushed only works for people who do what others tell them to do.
    
    Just some thoughts...
    
    Jerri

    RE. .11; .15; et al
    
    In response to the statement that although bulls were
    worship/sacrificial figures in the Taurean Age, and sheep and goats
    in the Arian Age - well, hello, Piscean - the fish is a symbol for
    Christ, used from the time of the Early Christian Church to today.
    
    Remember your "Honk if you love..." bumper stickers?
    
    All professional water bearers please take note...
    

    Reply to .34, Scheibel,
    
    A fishy deal indeed...
    
    That symbol system should have appropraited the fish as the symbol of
    adoration and sacrifice. However a step back to times of human
    sacrifice combined the so called final sacrifice with the sacrifical
    fishes, hence a human soter.
    
    Although fictions like STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND and SOYLENT GREEN are
    precursors to sacrifical water bearers I doubt that neither civil law
    nor human consciousness will allow it. Therfore I postulate a loss of
    human nature over a loss of human life. and such seems to be happening
    today. Everything changes, the changes are threatening but unavoidable.
    
    And it follows in human history that whatever is worshiped is generally
    lost in and to suceeding cultures. The profane becomes sacred, the
    sacred profane and both are lost in the march of history.
    

    And a further thought I had...
    
    Evolutionary pressure dictates which way a species will mutate. What
    are our evolutionary pressures today? What will they be tomorrow?

	We will be much less bound by those aspects of reality that
    	we currently regard as physical laws. Astral travel
	will be common. The distances between places will therefore
	become meaningless. 

	What I shall call "extended" psychic powers (those beyond
	the mere ability to read Akashic records and peer into the
	past and future) will be the favored field of psychic study.
	The ability to time-travel. To pass through solid objects.
	To illuminate a dark room just by thinking about it. To
	heal instantly an injury.

	Technology, vehicles, buildings, will disappear, along with 
	their attendant destructive effect upon the environment.
	Those who require dwellings for whatever reason will chose
	those things such as caves which naturally occur in the
	environment - and will find them much more comfortable
	and satisfying than houses constructed of slain trees.

	Communication with other forms of life will begin to be 
	common. The realization that many things have awareness
	(that had not been thought to before) will begin to gain
	acceptance during the Aquarian years. By the Capricornian,
	these things will be commonplace.

	Those that are advanced now, e.g. practicing psychics, will
	be aware of their dual nature as male and female, and the
	androgenous human will appear. As fewer and fewer persons
	have need of incarnation in this world, more and more will
	embrace celibacy, many will also be incapable of producing
	offspring (this by choice). Those who have twin souls that
	were once one, will begin to merge back together, appearing 
	as the androgenous beings given above.

	The Earth is our gracious host for whatever time we require
	her. She did not, however, come to be for the sole purpose of 
	our permenent dwelling, nor were we created to live upon her
	forever. The time must come when we say our fond farewell
	to this lovely place which many have come to regard as Mother.
	One day we must leave the nest, even as we leave our earthly 
	parents today, and go forth into the world and create our own
	nests.

	Wild flights of fancy? Bizarre speculation? Ravings of a lunatic?
	Fluff from whatever it is that passes for a brain in this Neal
	person? I leave it for you to decide. But it gives me enjoyment
	to ponder such things, and share my ponderings and hear those
	of others. Take it for what it's worth to you.
                               
    	And what good does it do? It gives a vision of hope, a future
    	to look forward to. It's something more  positive than a belief
    	that we are blind slaves to the mechanism of earth-evolution.
    	An ideal that we are more than just animals. For the CYOR folks,
    	it's a creation of a reality in which we rejoice in our Oneness
    	and truly embrace each other in love, knowing that it is ourself 
    	that we are embracing. That too is why I don't mind if  some
    	who read this consider me a goofball. I hope it gives them a
    	good laugh! I mean it! If it does, then I have found some small
    	way of blessing their day, of bringing a smile to their face.
             
    	
	To all, have a splendid, magnificent day!

	Neal/B
    

    Neal (.37),
    
    Lovely thoughts.  They made me smile and think of an imminent future or
    is it a distant past...
    
    As I mentioned earlier, I spent the weekend at a retreat with similar
    minded folks so it sounds very sane to me  ;')
    
    Love to you,
    
    Ro
    

    Re.(Barnette)
    
    Hi Neal,
    
    Hey, sounds good to me!
    
    As for IOSG:: - nah, don't do it.   Just observe.
    
    Enjoy...
    
    Cindy
                                                     

    Aquarius/Let The Sun Shine 
    --------------------------
     
    When the moon is in the 7th house
    And Jupiter's aligned with Mars
    Then peace will guide the planet
    And love will steer the stars.
    
    This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, the Age of Aquarius,
    Aquarius, Aquarius.         
    
    Harmony and understanding
    Sympathy and trust abounding.
    No more falsehoods or derisions
    Golden living dreams of visions
    Mystic crystal revelations
    And the mind's true liberation, Aquarius.
                       
    Let the sun shine, let the sun shine.
    Open up your heart and let it shine on in.
    
    Recorded by: The 5th Dimension

It's said that the ages are a cycle, not a forever-upward sequence.
I don't know about the ages as they relate to the Zodiacal cycle,
but there is also the concept of the Yugas in India. The Hindus
believed that the refinement of life on earth revolves through a
cycle of four Yugas, or ages -- Kali, Dwapara, Treta, and Satya.

o  Kali Yuga is the age of chaos, darkness, and destruction.

o  Dwapara Yuga is the age of dawning light.

o  Treta Yuga is the age of mature knowledge and wisdom.

o  Satya Yuga is the age of perfection.

There are different opinions regarding which age we are in now and
how long the ages last. I think that most adherents of this system
believe that we are now in Kali Yuga and that this age lasts for
a very, very, very long time. I'm not sure, but I believe the
figure is several hundred thousands of years.

Others, namely Sri Yukteswar, the Guru
of Paramahansa Yogananda (one of the first yogis to teach in America),
believe that this traditional interpretation is wrong and that the
ages are much shorter -- four to 12 thousand years, and that we
are now fully out of Kali Yuga and in the beginning of Dwapara
Yuga. (Certainly a less depressing theory!) In this system,
on the ascending half of the cycle, Kali Yuga lasts 500 years,
and each successive ascending age is longer than the last.
Satya Yuga being four thousand years long (I think). The
ages are the same length on the descending side. 

So there's a gradual build up toward an apex of perfection then
a slow, almost imperceptible slide back downward into confusion.
The entire cycle is 24,000 years in length.

Sri Yuktesar offers a most interesting reason for this cycle.
He says that human consciousness is affected by spiritual emanations
from the center of the galaxy and that there is a regular variation 
in the distance of our solar system from the galactic core. The
further we are from the center, the more confused and dark our minds
are. The closer we are, the clearer, stronger and more harmonious
our minds are. The rise and fall, not only of civilization, but of the 
general quality of human consciousness, corresponds to our distance
from center of the galaxy. (A timely coincidence: Just last night I
read about a speculation that there may be "white holes" at the
centers of a galaxies, from which energy streams into this universe.)

He also says the progression of the Yugas is more like a spiral than
a closed circle. Each Kali Yuga is a little less dark than the previous
Kali Yuga. Each Satya Yuga is a little more sublime than the last.
He also says that this is a world cycle. Individuals evolve at their
own rate and may "get off the wheel" in any age. It's said that
although life and inner work are far more difficult in the darker
times, the dark days provide more impulse and opportunity for 
growth than more harmonious eras. (Who wants to grow when life
is naturally easy and pleasant?)

So, according to this model, there have been many rises and falls
in human history. Currently, we're on a very long period of overall
ascent (though there may be partial and temporary regresssions) that will 
culminate in a golden age around 12,000 A.D. 

But the celebration parties at that distant time will probably
include a touch of irony,  because immediately after the crest of 
the cycle, the long slide back downward will begin. (Maybe we
should buy a nice bottle of something and bury it in a time capsule for them.
Just think -- 10,000 year old cognac at the peak of perfection. Then again,
those perfect goody-two-shoes probably don't drink!)



--- For what it's worth to you...


Fred

    re: .11
    
    Trick question, eh?  Well, as you recall the fish was extensively
    used as a symbol of the Christian church, and that for many years
    afterward good Christians (and later good Catholics) ate fish on
    meatless days... so they might not be objects of adoration and
    sacrifice, but they certainly were symbols.
    
    In the Aquarian Age?  Hmmm.  Very good question.  Streams of water?
    Water jugs?  Waves?  I guess we won't know till we're there, but
    it's certainly fun to think about.
    
    --Karen

    re: .11
    
         Maybe we'll have ritual water balloon fights!  Squirt guns too!

         Terry

    Re: .41 (Fred)
    
    That was interesting reading!  It certainly *would* be nice to
    leave a bottle of something for those dear souls who live at
    the peak. :-)
    
    Jerri

    
    >So there's a gradual build up toward an apex of perfection then
>a slow, almost imperceptible slide back downward into confusion.
>The entire cycle is 24,000 years in length.

    There it is again, that 24,000 year figure which corresponds to
    the "wobble" of the Earth. Perhaps what we are seeing here is the
    equivalent of different cultures' measurements of a 'year' - Native
    peoples of what is now North America counted the passing of "moons",
    whereas those who came later to this land counted "seasons", in
    determining when to plant crops. Twelve moons, four seasons - still
    amounting to a year (although there was the concept of months also).
    
    Re (Cindy), nice, I always loved that song, even before I knew what
    it meant (I was 11 when it came out). But - we're talking about
    the age of Capricorn, not Aquarius! 8^)
    
    Neal/B

    
    >    That was interesting reading!  It certainly *would* be nice to
>    leave a bottle of something for those dear souls who live at
>    the peak. :-)

    	Maybe better lay in a few hundred cases of French '89, which I hear
    is expected to be one of the all-time vintage years of the century.
    One bottle wouldn't go very far - they would think us terribly stingy.
    8^)

    Neal/B

    Re. Capricorn Age - Oh Rats!  Sorry, Neal.
    
    OK, I'll try the Scorpionic Age.  "Metaphysical Sex" by Julius Evola
    (author of said book).
    
    Suppose we could just skip a few ages inbetween?
    
    Cindy

                                                             
    >    OK, I'll try the Scorpionic Age.  "Metaphysical Sex" by Julius Evola
 
    	Something to look forward to, if we ever get to the Age of Scorpio!
    	
    >    Suppose we could just skip a few ages inbetween?

    	I was wondering if we have to go through all of 'em. 
        
    8^)

Everyone:

Lets bury that case of '89 French wine along a bunch of gazoos and whistles, 
some confetti and firecrackers and all agree to meet at the crowning moment 
of the Golden Age and have a good ol' rock'n roll party. Who cares if
they stare?

That might be a difficult date to keep, though --

And about that precious memory you think you need to save...
Write it in your notebook, the yellowed pages blow away. 
Write in on the wall, the building falls, is condemned, and razed. 
Keep it firmly in mind? Only till your brain is a dustbag in the grave.
Next thing you know you don't know nuthin, you're a babbling little babe.
:).. (drool)

Maybe we can't do it, but it would be a grand pledge.

    I've had an idea for a few years that could provide some money for
    the business minded.
    
    Create a series of unique codes with location, id number and birth
    date, then imprint this code deeply into the human psyche. From here
    you could have the individual write a message to their future selves
    with general stuff, a little history, etc. Then press the message into
    a thin but solid tablet of longlived plastic. Store the tablet at the
    coded location and wait for the person the be reborn with the deeply
    imprinted code.
    
    Call them Rebirth Messages if you like and haul the money in. The only
    problem is in storing the plastic tablets out of sunlight. Anyone
    wanna' put up a couple grand to start the project?? B^)

    Neal/B
    
    You're a goofball!
    
    So am I.  ;')
    
    Jay

    re:37 Neal
    
    Your perceptions of the coming age are fairly accurate ....nice to see
    that you are tapping in to the Universal flux... however as was
    mentioned in one of the other replies, it does hinge on the overall
    progression of consciousness as a whole here. As each individual begins
    to get a more accurate perception of their unlimited potential as a
    divine being the will elevate mass consciousness and things will change 
    dramatically.  And if you progress sufficiently you will be doing the 
    "Creator God" routine elsewhere. Now there's something to contemplate!!! 
    
    as for symbols....the age of aquarius = Waterbearer (the water of life)
     = Water force (water elementals = ondines) = Emotional body = learning 
    balance of emotions.  Emotions charge all phases of your lifeflow either 
    negatively or positively and are the cement between the bricks that 
    create your reality...if you balance your emotions it does not mean that 
    there is no charge to them, it just means that you balance your lifeflow 
    and are able to go into beingness (centered) from which point you can 
    create and manifest instanteously...so you will be sacrificing emotional 
    disbalance.  Aslo, since Aquarius is an Air Sign = Mental Body = ( Air
    Elementals = Sylphs) = learning balance of the mental functions. Since 
    thoughtforms (mental body = bricks) are then qualified by emotions 
    (Emotional body = cement) creating your current reality you will be
    sacrificing mental and emotional disbalance and learning about
    beingness and divine creation! Alchemy...Not too shabby!
    
    In Light and Love,
    Zeffel
                                             

    
    Zeffel,
    
    That's interesting you should mention bricks and cement.  I had a dream
    about 8-10 months ago about building a wall with a firm foundation.  On
    the various bricks were the names of people close to me I could count
    on in case of an emergency.  The cement, of course, is Love.  
    
    Of course this all ties in with my unstable feelings about life before 
    these current times, given my chaotic childhood and life up to now, etc., 
    etc., and there are lots of other things which can be drawn from the 
    dream above, however this is by far the most significant.
    
    Cindy

    NEAL,
    
    WHAT DOES 8^ MEAN?
    
    KITTY

    
    >    NEAL,
>    
>    WHAT DOES 8^ MEAN?
>    
>    KITTY

        	Looks like a smiley-face without the smile. 

    

    .42
    
    Aquarian age, rules intelligence and humanity.  The actual symbol
    is that of a human pouring knowledge...
    
      Carol

    
    Re.56 (Arego)
    
    Interesting.  Just took a look back through the first bunch of notes
    and in .10 Neal mentions something about collective CYOR.
    
    Perhaps with the intelligence and the (focus on?) humanity during the
    Aquarian Age, poverty, starvation and other sufferings on the physical
    plane will be eliminated and all souls will be enlightened and raised 
    to such a level of 'knowing' that we can indeed work as a collective 
    group to go forward from there and create new worlds, be they physical 
    or something we cannot even comprehend at the moment.
    
    But first we have to work in small groups to get into practice for the
    bigger leap.  As Mother Teresa said when asked about what one man could
    do to best assist in accomplishing world peace, she replied, "Go home
    and love your family."
    
    In hope,
    
    Cindy

    .57
    
    I have also read that some believe that there will be one world
    government, no more wars, however; before we accomplish this the
    world's population will decrease significantly. (Don't know how,
    quakes, plagues, or other natural disasters or a final war?)  But, I 
    personally believe that the focus will be on humanity and peace.
    
    The Piscean age, came in with many fears and illusionism.  Also,
    deceptions, and on the positive side - service.
    
    Guess we will wait to see...
    
             Carol
    

    Cindy re.57
    
    Mother Teresa's advice of what one person *can* do to best assist 
    the accomplishment of world peace - "Go home and love your family",
    is right on the mark. 
    
    Too often we think we are powerless as individuals to do anything
    to affect such a grand thing as world peace.  This is not true.  To
    believe otherwise results in powerlessness, frustration, and apathy.   
                                                                       
    Reminds me of an old Chinese proverb (one of my favorites):
    
    If every man swept in front of his own door, the whole earth
    would be clean.  
    
    Kb
    

    Hmmm. This appears to be the Neal I'll be visiting tomorrow. A fellow
    Aquarian-Ager.
    
    RB