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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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2061.0. "Strange Messages" by VYGER::BEVERIDGEG () Tue Jul 18 1995 11:08

    I don't know if there is already a note covering this topic, but if
    there is , please feel free to move it. I am not even sure what note
    subject it would go under.
    
    I would like to tell you about an incident which happened to me a
    couple of years ago, on the anniversary of my Grandfather's death. I
    drove down to England to place a wreath on his grave and to pay my
    respects etc.. My parents were supposed to be going with me but could
    not get time off work, and my girlfriend who was also supposed to go
    had to stay at home because her son was sick.
    
    Anyway, I got to the cemetry ok and tidied up the grave, laid the
    wreath and sat for a while, thinking back about my grandfather. I'm not
    all that keen about cemetries, so I didn't stay for long.
    As I was leaving, I got a really strange sensation, as if someone was
    with me, but I was alone. I got back into my car and started on my 200
    mile journey home. As I was driving, a terrible feeling came over me,
    which is very hard for me to describe. All I can say is that, from that
    moment, I knew that when I got home, there would be a brown envelope
    without a stamp, waiting for me. The envelope would contain a short
    letter from my girlfriend. The feeling that came over me at that moment
    was not a pleasant one and from this, I could only assume that the
    letter contained bad news. All the way home this bad feeling got
    stronger, and at one point I was prepared to stop the car and phone
    home to see if there really was a letter. I decided against this
    because if I was right, I don't think I could have driven any further.
    I continued on my journey, trying to concentrate on my driving and
    trying to block out the bad feeling. I tried running through the last
    conversation that Alison and I had, the previous night, trying to pick
    out anything that was wrong. I could not. As far as I was aware, we had
    a happy and loving realtionship, and had discussed getting married.
    After thinking through everything, I tried to cheer myself up by
    telling myself that my imagination was playing games with me because of
    the emotional stress I was under anyway. It didn't work.
    
    When I got home, I walked slowly to the front door, On entering the
    house, I looked over to the hall table where any mail would be lying.
    To my dismay, there was the envelope, exactly how I had seen it. Hand
    delivered, no stamp etc. I couldn't bring myself to open it for a while
    as I new what it contained. When I did eventually open the envelope,
    there was a short letter fom Alison telling me that our relationship
    couldn't go on and she didn't want to discuss it further. I was
    devastated.
    
    
    I have got over it now, but it has taken a while. All I would like to
    know is whether I could have received a message from someone/somewhere
    warning me that this was about to happen, possibly giving me a little
    time to prepare for the worst. I don't know if I would have been able
    to cope if I had come home to this without any warning.
    
    I would be pleased to hear from anyone else that this kind of thing has
    happened to.
    
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Gavin.........................
    
    
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2061.1TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonTue Jul 18 1995 15:4613
    
    Gavin,
    
    Yes, that happens to me quite a bit.  Advance hints of warnings when
    some bad news is on its way but hasn't quite reached me yet.    
    
    I do recall receiving mail from a friend dissolving our friendship -
    something I never thought would ever happen - and on the day it
    arrived, I recall crying for about an hour straight before receiving
    it.  Fortunately, like you, I was glad for the premonition because 
    it would have been too unbearable had I not been forewarned.
    
    Cindy
2061.2I Don't Like Marble Orchards Either..PKHUB1::MROPRTTue Jul 18 1995 15:4912
    	I've very often used long lonely drives to ponder on things
    happening in my life and using that reflecting to come to a decision
    about something. I think it gave you time to sense that this was
    coming. As for the brown envelope bit, well, was that table the place
    you usually left each other mail, messages, notes? 
    did you sense her reason to not go with you was false when she
    cancelled?   Anyway, I'm glad you did predict it for your own sake.
    	I've gotten Dear John letters myself, but purposely leaving you
    the letter for you to receive right after she knows you've been on a
    long trip to visit your dead grandfather does show some real style!
    I think you dodged a matrimonial bullet there, laddie!   BillM
    
2061.3VYGER::BEVERIDGEGWed Jul 19 1995 09:4819
    Thanks Cindy, Bill.
    
    With reference to your question, Bill, our hall table is where all the
    family mail goes when it is delivered as it's the first thing you see
    when you come in the front door. 
    
    As for sensing Alison's reason for not going with me that day was
    false, well looking back at it now I suppose it was. Maybe I knew the
    inevitable all along but just blocked it out. And your right, she did
    go about things in a pretty unthoughtfull manner.
    
    Wouldn't it be great if I could predict the national lottery numbers 3
    hours before they were drawn, in the same way as I could predict bad
    luck!
    
    Take care folks,
    
    Gav.........
    
2061.4CHEFS::GEORGEMlived eht pihsroWFri Jul 21 1995 08:587
re .3

This is the theory I go with.  It's less "romantic", but many argue that 
premonitions such as this are merely your subconcious mind at work.  Many 
things are predictable, but our concious minds do not deal with them, usually.  
When something is "elevated" into the "front" of your mind, it's a weird 
feeling.
2061.5KERNEL::EVANSNItheir eggs inside my head!Fri Jul 21 1995 12:539
    There is always the theory of guardians...I heard somewhere that we all
    have our own personal guardian, on a spiritual level, and these
    guardians are supposedly there to prevent us from coming to any serious
    harm (spiritually). Maybe it could have been a message from him,
    warning you of the bombshell that was due to hit you upon your return
    home.
    
    Cheers,
    Nick.
2061.6ALLVAX::KEEFERFri Jul 21 1995 21:4581
re .0

I think you were just picking up on Alison's thought forms.  A lot of people 
do it... (probably not with Alison, though).
	For me the exchange of thought forms seems to follow the same decorum
as a phone conversation: sometimes you may catch what the speaker said
acknowledgingly, sometimes you might miss what he said ("What did you say?"), 
and sometimes the message comes with startling clarity - and then some.  Also,
you can read others' thought forms at will (which was a question another noter
had in here a while back - she could only hear thoughts sent to her, not ask
and get a response).  Just like with the phone, you don't have to just
listen; you can ask a certain person an explicit question and get an explicit
response.
	(Sorry for the use of the indefinite 'you'.)

	The unsolicited tales I, personally, get come mostly when the person 
is thinking about me.  I could be doing anything, or nothing, and they ring 
me, so to speak, and tell me what they think of me.  It's sort of 
like when someone behind you is staring at you and you may suddenly turn 
around because you feel you're being watched.  A lot of people know when 
they're being thought about without use of the physical senses.  And Alison was
thinking of you big-time, passionately, dramatically, and in a negative vein. 
The more passionately someone is thinking of me the more explicit I find the
message to be - down to what exactly the action resulting from the person's
thoughts will be, and when, as it is often a "real-time" experience. 
	I don't think one has to debate whether your knowledge of what would
happen was due to previous physical input, experience, or from simply reading
Alison's mind.  I don't think one explanation is more romantic than the other,
or that either is more scientific than the other.  What is consciousness and 
the unconscious anyway?  Why is reading Alison's mind strange to people, 
whereas saying it was a matter of the data processor, the unconscious, passing
information to consciousness not strange, and scientific and sound?  I don't
think anyone has found the unconscious or consciousness to reside in any
particular part of the physical anatomy, anyway.  Neither have I seen any 
data on whether or not mind-reading hasn't a physical base.  Radio waves are 
invisible, yet they carry The Top 40 great distances.  What seems
like magic today, probably won't in the future.  It seems like a time-thing:
if so-and-so isn't informed of such-and-such in a physical way at such-and-such 
point in time, then so-and-so can't know about such-and-such at a later point
in time.  That's silly.
	But majority rules.
	I think they should teach mind-reading in school.  Too many people are
surprised and frightened and ignorant when they catch a glimpse of it.  So
many really believe you need a physical device to communicate farther than 100 
feet, or meters.  So what are children taught?  If so-and-so isn't informed of 
such-and-such in a physical way at such-and-such point in time, then so-and-so 
can't know about such-and-such at a later point in time.  Many babies are
very psychic before they're taught this stuff.

	I'm not being romantic or spiritual, but scientific. Don't I sound dry?

	How old are you, anyway?  They say these things come in 7-year cycles -
give or take a year.  A new step in spiritual experience about every 7 years.  
(I don't really want to know how old you are; I was just being rhetorical, to 
pass information.) 

	I don't think your experience had anything to do with guardian angels 
or spirit friends or warnings.  I believe it's an individual journey and that 
you were simply picking up on Alison's thoughts, which, at the time, were on 
heavy, heavy, broadcast regarding something dramatic she was going to do to you
(and to herself).  It's up to you whether you want to pick up on these
thoughts, whether you realize it or not, not up to a spirit, guardian, or
nameless warning device.

	You can see the lottery number ahead of time if you want to.  I've seen
others do it and I've been able to do it if I squeezed my brain real hard.
The people who've done it said, however, that you won't want to keep doing it,
but will want to use your powers to develop and understand greater powers, 
rather than relish in material things.  Being rich isn't winning the lottery,
but a state of mind, which is why people who acquire great sums of money
often lose it as fast as they got it - since it's the drama of what's occurring
that matters, not the money.

	Still money wouldn't hurt.  
        OK.  It is done.


	Heather on the Hill.

	Optical glasses.

2061.7ALLVAX::KEEFERFri Jul 21 1995 21:503
    oh, i forgot.   i went to a psychic class once, not to learn, but as a
    guest.  the teachers were taught at a psychic school in england.
    I'll look for the info -  see if i still have it.
2061.8Guardian AngelsPOWDML::FLETCHERWed Aug 02 1995 20:4327
    Hi,
    
    I just began reading DEJAVU recently.  I had an experience where I
    believe a guardian angel came to me to forewarn me of something very
    devastating.
    
    I had just shut of my bedroom light when I felt a presence in my room. 
    I sat up in bed and saw what I thought was an apparition.  It had on a 
    long flowing irredescient gown and to my amazement had an afro hairdo.
    
    She walked to the other side of my bed, but I was so frightened by
    this, I started to scream.  She then disappeared.  This was on a Friday
    night.  On Monday evening, I got a call from my sister to tell me that 
    my brother had committed suicide.  
    
    I belive it was either my guardian angel or his guardian angel coming
    to forewarn me.
    
    Another time, I was driving down the highway when my directional came
    on.  This happened three times in a row.  I ignored it and went on my
    way, thinking "someone is trying to tell me something".  Needless to
    say, I should have listened because some driver rammed into me totaling
    my car.  DEJAVU or what?  I happen to think that was my guardian angel
    trying to forewarn me.
    
    Corey
    
2061.9TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonWed Aug 02 1995 20:5518
                     
    Sure sounds like it, Corey.
    
    When premonitions happen to me, they're in the form of mental picture
    images that keep flashing through my mind, trying to link some things
    that are familiar, to things that are going to happen.  Nothing on the
    outside of me, however it does happen like that to many people I know 
    (my mother, for example).
    
    Last week I was taking a friend to the doctor, and on the way to pick
    her up, I kept getting pictures of another friend in my mind.  Then the
    image of a lady I once knew who had had a double masectomy.  Then of my
    friend's husband when he was talking about an archeological trip they
    had taken to the South Pacific.  When I arrived at the doctor's office,
    there was my friend and her husband who were in the images, and she 
    told me that she had just had a double masectomy.  I wasn't surprised...
    
    Cindy