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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1995.0. "Aboriginal artifact" by MAGEE::ZANELLA (Stoked phrase goes here) Mon Sep 26 1994 19:02

    Hi all, 
    
    	Over the weekend, I acquired a Tektite stone that was an artifact
    	from an Aboriginal "Shaman" burial site in Australia.  I was told
    	that the Shaman used it for healing practices.  
    
    	I would like more information about Aborigines and their healing
    	practices.  Does anyone out there have anything to share, or can
    	point me in the direction of some good books on the subject?
    
    	Feel free to contact me either here, or via E-mail.
    
    	FWIW - I feel something (connection?) with this *particular* stone.
    	       
    Candus  
    
    	
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1995.1SMURF::WALLACELife's a beach, then you dive!Tue Sep 27 1994 14:034
    I haven't heard about tektites in quite a long time.  Last I heard,
    there were still opposing theories that they were either cast out by
    volcanoes, or survived the fiery fall through the atmosphere and came
    from outer space.  How out of tune am I?
1995.2MAGEE::ZANELLAStoked phrase goes hereTue Sep 27 1994 15:2310
    
    I don't think your totally out of tune! ;-)  Based on my readings, they
    originated in outer space.  But I have heard of the opposing theory
    that states they are volcanic in origin.  Who knows?!?!  
    
    The only tektite I was familiar with, was Moldavite [sp?]...this
    stone is "weathered", but it doesn't seem to have the same properties. 
    IE: bottle green texture.  
    
    
1995.3"Mutant Message"STAR::YURYANTue Sep 27 1994 15:408
    You might read the book "Mutant Message" by Marlo Morgan.  It 
    is not a how-to book, but a good (true) story of a woman who 
    stayed with an Aboriginal tribe a few years ago.  Healing 
    without Western means happens while she is out on a 'walkabout'
    with them.  
    
    She may also be able to answer your specific questions. 
    
1995.4Oh dear.TOOK::NICOLAZZOA shocking lack of Gov. regulationTue Sep 27 1994 19:0213
    re: .0
    
    	I can't say I feel real good about this...
    
    >Over the weekend, I acquired a Tektite stone that was an artifact
    >from an Aboriginal "Shaman" burial site in Australia.  I was
    >told that the Shaman used it for healing practices.
                                                                             
	I don't know how you acquired this, but, if the story is true,
    	it sounds like someone did a little grave robbing.
    
    			Robert.
    
1995.5MAGEE::ZANELLAStoked phrase goes hereTue Sep 27 1994 20:2222
    RE: 04
    
    	Yes, I asked where this person had acquired the stones, and his
    	reply was that he received them from the "locals" directly.  
    
    	Funny, but I didn't get the feeling of "grave robbing"...I felt
    	that the stones were removed in a sacred gesture.  IE: Locals
    	were aware of the "importance" [?], and somehow made peace with
    	the Shamen who used these stones...IMHO
    
    	I would NOT want to contribute to something sacrilegious to 
    	the Aboriginal people, and hope that it was nothing like that.
    	But even if it was reckless "grave robbing", I have given it only
    	light/love/respect, and (hopefully) will ease any sacrilegious 
    	events/energy...
    
    	I did have some interesting "feelings", but they (seemed)
   	non-related to being "disturbed" from their final resting place...
    
    	
       
      
1995.6Thanks!MAYES::ZANELLAStoked phrase goes hereWed Sep 28 1994 12:4414
    RE: .03
    
    	>>You might read the book "Mutant Message" by Marlo Morgan.  It
    	is not a how-to book, but a good (true) story of a woman who
    	stayed with an Aboriginal tribe a few years ago.  Healing 	
    	without Western means happens while she is out on a 'walkabout'
    	with them.  
    
    
    	I just called my book shop, and they have "Mutant Message"!
    	I'll be picking it up today....;-)
    
    Thanks for the pointer!
    Candus
1995.7Clarification to base note MAYES::ZANELLAStoked phrase goes hereWed Sep 28 1994 13:0120
    
    	I would like to expand my explaination on how I acquired this 
    	particular stone.   I was wandering around the place, and there
    	was a grouping of stones, about 10 or 12, and I was automatically
    	drawn to a certain one.  (can you say magnet?)  I carried this
    	stone with me for the remaining time I was there.  While I was 
    	*paying* for it, is when the chap explained the story.  By this
    	time, there was no way I was going to let this stone "get away",	
    	because of the energy I was receiving.  
    
    	Needless to say, I was a bit taken back by the story, but it 
    	only seemed to highlight my 'need' [?] for it....
    
    	I just wanted to point out, that there was no big sign that said
    	"Aborigianal Artifacts"; I had no idea, but was certainly
    	drawn to it, anyway.  
    
    
    FWIW
    Candus
1995.8I'll drop it now. A pet peeve really....TOOK::NICOLAZZOA shocking lack of Gov. regulationWed Sep 28 1994 16:559
    	I hope your right about it. But I would like to point out that
    	most grave robbing, pillaging of archaeological sites, etc, are
    	performed by "locals". I have a hard time believing that the
    	"locals" who removed these grave goods and sold them had anything
    	more sacred in mind than making a quick buck.
    
    	I really hope your right, but I doubt it.
    
    			Robert.
1995.9To dig, or not to dig!MAYES::ZANELLAStoked phrase goes hereWed Sep 28 1994 17:2424
     RE: 08
           >> I hope your right about it. But I would like to point out that
           >> most grave robbing, pillaging of archaeological sites, etc, are
           >> performed by "locals". I have a hard time believing that the
           >> "locals" who removed these grave goods and sold them had anything
           >> more sacred in mind than making a quick buck.
    
           > I really hope your right, but I doubt it.
    
    	Hi Robert, 
    
    	I understand your point.  I *really* hope it wasn't for the money.  
    	It has also made me more sensitive in supporting site digs.  
    	This is difficult for me, because I always wanted to be a 
    	Paleontologist/Archaeologist, and I never thought about the
    	aspect of making money, more like an understanding of natural
    	history and the various cultures.   
    
    	Brings an interesting point to light: Should artifacts be
    	boycotted?  Any thoughts on this???
    
    Candus
    
    	 
1995.10WRKSYS::MACKAY_EThu Sep 29 1994 18:2014
    
    I think artifacts of digs should remain in the local
    museums since the finds belong to the locals, not the 
    just individuals but the entire nation or even race. 
    The finds are part of their history whether they realize 
    or not. If we don't create a market for the artifacts,
    we won't have to worry about looting.
    
    I never really like the idea of keeping other people's
    things, especially personal items, without their consent,
    whether I pay $ for it or not.
    
    
    Eva
1995.11ZEKE::STARBRIGHTSerenityFri Sep 30 1994 12:166
    But on the other hand ... what if you had owned something in a past
    life and the universe arranged for it to be yours again in this life, I
    think that would be rather wonderful.
    
    My 2 cents,
    Serenity
1995.12I wanna Walkabout!MAYES::ZANELLAStoked phrase goes hereFri Sep 30 1994 12:3319
    Re: last couple
    
    	Considering how things worked out, and the sensations experienced,
    	I would say it sure seems like a reunion of sorts!!!  ;-)))
    
    	In general, I will think twice about supporting sales of 
    	'personal items', unless, as commented, I have the prior 
    	owners consent...
    
    	I think aquiring this stone was a special event...
    
    	FWIW: I am midway through "Mutant Message" (From Down Under)
    	and it's fantastic!  Some things are revelations, some are just
    	my personal beliefs, reiterated.  I would *highly* suggest 
    	this reading.  
    
    	Thank U, STAR::YURYAN !!!!!!!
    
    Candus
1995.13the bookSTAR::YURYANFri Sep 30 1994 15:376
    I'm glad you like the book.  I heard the author speak about 2
    weeks ago at Interface in Boston.  It was a very good talk as she 
    revealed more of the details around certain things like the 
    healing of the man's leg.  I believe there is another book in
    the making by the same author, but there were no dates given 
    as to when it would be available. 
1995.14WRKSYS::MACKAY_EFri Sep 30 1994 17:2913
    
    re .11
    
    >But on the other hand ... what if you had owned something in a past
    >life and the universe arranged for it to be yours again in this
    >life, I think that would be rather wonderful.
    
    Yes, it is, if I know for sure that it was mine.
    I would just hate it if some spirit got really upset because I
    have the same taste in jewelry as she/he had ;-);-)
    
    
    Eva
1995.15TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonFri Sep 30 1994 17:4123
                                    
    I agree with Serenity in .11, and believe that there are two different
    situations going on here.
    
    There are site robbers, if you will, who are only interested in the 
    money aspect, and the plunderers who are the lowest of the low, in my
    opinion.
    
    But there are also situations where certain objects are meant to be 
    actively used by certain people for their own spiritual development,
    and, in turn, for the growth and benefit of humanity.  Such things 
    would be far better off in the hands of the right people, than in a 
    museum.  It just may be that *in this case*, the piece is exactly 
    where it should be, and in the hands of exactly the right person.  
    
    Given the intent of the person in this case, while I agree it's 
    important to point out what has been pointed out about artifacts in 
    general, I also think that it is important to not judge to harshly 
    and compare - even indirectly - to the kinds of people I mentioned 
    above.  For there may be greater reasons involving this piece that 
    we just cannot know at this time.
    
    Cindy