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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1908.0. "Tarot reading reliability" by MR4DEC::FDELANO () Fri Dec 17 1993 16:53

	I have recently and suddenly ended a 3 year relationship.  This 
	was not my decision but his.  I am very devistated and heartbroke.

	The reason for the break up was that I want to get married and
	he does not.  He is not ready and may never be. 

	I had my cards read in August 93.  At that time the reader 
	said some very positive things about the relationship.  
	
		Man born in March who is in and out of your life 
		emotionally will be in your future.  You will marry 
		this man. 

		Brown eyed man who is in and out of your life emotionally.
		His hands are worth a million.  Love is there.  He can not
		live without you.

		Marriage Card

		Diamond within the next year

		Diamond in current time

		Wise Advise (she sort of reconfirmed what she said about
		the ring.)

		You are unhappy now because you do not know that the
		future will bring.  All these worries will end.


	Now this reading that I received is my last glimmer of hope.
	There were other things that were said in the reading that are
	happening that do not pertain to this relationship.  Now this
	woman did not know my name (all she knew was my birthday)- 
	never mind my fathers. For instance:

		Who is Francis Born in July (my father)  You will get
		very close to him.  ( I have - which is odd)

		Who is 70 - You will loose him within the year.)
		(my father - He suddenly got seriously ill in November
		and was hospitalized.  He is still ill, loosing weight
		and not improving. Conjuntive heart disease. 

		You will visit the ocean in Septemer. (which I did - and was
		not likely at the time)

		Job change in 1994 (This is very likely to happen soon - 
		was not likely in August)
		
		She said several other things that were accurate in regards
		to my family and situations.

	I guess my question to you is  - is there a glimmer of hope?  What
	are your views/experiences with tarot readings?  This one in 
	particular.
	
	Frances	
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1908.1a defintie maybe hereDELNI::JIMCCalifornia boundFri Dec 17 1993 18:5211
There is always hope Frances.  This seems to have been a fairly accurate
reading thus far.  I would say, though, that free will stilll exists and
hope is only an expression of desired possibilities, not certainties.

Take care of you.

I'm sorry to hear things are not going well for you and hope thay get better 
soon.

hugs
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1908.2TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonSat Dec 18 1993 15:5323
    
    Echoing what Jim wrote, and also a reading recommendation immediately
    came to mind to give to you:
    
    	"A Woman's Worth", by Marianne Williamson
    
    It's not related to tarot at all, but is a fantastic book on everything
    including relationships.  It should be on the shelf at any bookstore so
    you can flip through it to decide.
    
    Regarding the tarot reading, there may indeed be someone who comes
    along very soon that fits many (but not all) of the items that your
    tarot reading mentioned.  Life can be really strange, and very good,
    at that!  For example, recently I actually met someone that was born 
    on *the same day and year* as my ex-husband!  Looks like him too.  
    Though fortunately he's infinitely more wonderful.  (;^)  So you just
    never know.
    
    Take care of yourself, and treat yourself well, especially now.  I've
    been there too.
    
    Cindy
    
1908.3my .02 -- warning got longer winded than planned 8-)DECWET::TPFRAMETue Dec 21 1993 04:3130
    Hi..
    
    I would suggest that (as previously said by others) that there
    are no sure things.  Free will, etc. have a major play
    in life.
    
    Sometimes I find that 'psychic' or metaphysical readings
    can color a person's actions.  Maybe (it's a stretch), but try this
    scenario on.. knowing what you thought was 'truth' stated by the 
    interpretation of the Tarot may have influenced your expectations 
    and actions in your relationship with your mate?
    
    The reading does seem to have validity for you, but to repeat,
    there are many forces and changes occuring all the time, some
    within your personal sphere, and some outside your ability
    to influence and control.
    
    If you can, listen to your 'felt sense' or gut or intuition,
    soul, whatever you want to call it, and act on that, not on
    anyone's (including myself ;-)) say so, be it from a 'divine'
    source, etc.. if it is channeled through any human interpreter,
    it is 'flawed'.. so do what feels right.  Follow your own
    path and heart..
    
    			sorry - didn't mean to soapbox.. ;-)
    
    		Peace!
    
    		Zoe
                                     
1908.4HOO78C::ANDERSONWhere did all the snow go?Tue Dec 21 1993 05:394
    There is always the slight (hardly worth mentioning really) possibility
    that tarot readings are totally worthless.

    Jamie.
1908.5taking an active role in a vision ...DWOVAX::STARKFa la la la laTue Dec 21 1993 13:3013
    A reading is whatever you make of it, in my opinion.  Just like
    any other advice.  Even bad advice can help you see what you're
    doing wrong, if you apply _your_own_resources_ to the interpretation
    as well.  Think of it as 'seeds' of the future perhaps, rather than 
    predicting the future.  Make it mean something else.  Use your own
    strength to mold it and tailor it.
    
    And always get a second opinion from a witch doctor if one is 
    available.  ;*)   Sorry, couldn't resist ...
    
    						kind regards,
    
    						todd
1908.6Strength?MR4DEC::FDELANOTue Dec 21 1993 14:263
    RE: .5 What do you mean by strength? 
    
    Frances
1908.7further thoughtsDWOVAX::STARKFa la la la laTue Dec 21 1993 17:5138
    re: .6,
    
    By strength, I meant the inner quality needed to make the difficult 
    transition from being _receptive_to_discovery_ (which is the frame of
    mind a person is generally in when they are accepting a reading); to being 
    active in seizing the day and reinterpreting the reading, adding 
    more of their personal understanding.   Giving themselves some
    credit for the ability to visuallize and mold their future.
    
    By making this kind of a shift, we can often
    see nuances in a situation that were not obvious before.  That's
    part of what a really successful reading or counseling session will
    do, (I think), in addition to providing information, or seeming
    to provide information, it will change the way someone views the
    conditions of their life, opening up new possibilities.   Rather
    than just closing off possibilities.  
    
    What I'm calling 'strength,' is probably similar to what
    others have called 'free will,' but I guess I put a little more 
    macho :-) slant on the elusive quality.  It's kind of like
    self-determination in my mind, rather than simple choice.  
    
    I guess you can probably also tell that my own preference
    is to value more highly someone's own reading of their
    situation, rather than that of a professional psychic,
    especially when they start to become dependent on the 
    readings or view them as somehow limiting their options.
    No matter how accurate or uncanny predictions may have seemed, we
    virtually always have the power to influence our outcomes.
    
    Sometimes we don't *want* to exercise that power, for whatever
    reason, but that's another matter.
    
    					joyous holiday,
    
    						kind regards,
    
    						todd
1908.8Attitude adjustment!MR4DEC::FDELANOTue Dec 21 1993 18:115
    Thanks Todd.  In a nutshell - Attitude is more powerfull than fact. I
    do believe that this situation will turn in my favor despite all that
    has happened.
    
    Frances
1908.9jus' the fax, ma'am.DWOVAX::STARKFa la la la laTue Dec 21 1993 20:087
|    Thanks Todd.  In a nutshell - Attitude is more powerfull than fact. I
|    do believe that this situation will turn in my favor despite all that
|    has happened.
    
    Or maybe, "attitude *is* a fact !"  :-D
    
    							todd
1908.10InterpetationUSCTR1::GCOOKThu Jun 09 1994 18:2325
    Hi Frances,
    I think the Tarot helps put into perspective the multitude of
    influences going on within (without) our lives at any particular
    moment, usually concering one question. It is very easy for us to lose
    our way, amidst confusing emotions, our own as well as our Significant
    Other's. 
    I think the Tarot lays out for us the energy levels in various aspects
    of our lives:
    Current conditions
    Past 
    Recent Past
    Future Trends
    Specific Future
    and influence of our own emotions, and those of our close relations.
    Often the Seeker wants to fit a "Square" reading into their preferred
    "round" hopes. Sometimes those hopes are limited to what we know. We
    always have the option of how to interpet the reading. 
    
    For example (very simplistic, I know), the seeker wants to know if they
    will succeed in purchasing a 1975 Dodge. The cards come back and imply
    that "No, there's no Dodge in your future". Well, all that might mean
    is that you'll end up with a Mercedes Benz 500 SL. Life's
    possibilities are unlimited.
    
    GC