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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1863.0. "We are one of the 27 largest conferences." by CADSYS::COOPER (Topher Cooper) Mon Jul 26 1993 17:29

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RUMOR::FALEK "ex-TU58 King"                          95 lines  23-JUL-1993 15:13
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    For your amusement, the following info comes from a poll of public
    conferences in the NOTES$LIBRARY: areas of all non-hidden EASYNET nodes
    that was done June 25-26th, 1993. 
    
    When a conference was seen from more than one node, only the address
    of the lowest node is shown.  The poll discovered 8616 notesfiles
    containing 7201761 notes on 1367325 topics. Of these, 4626 notesfiles
    had no new notes in 1993. The poll took about 10 hours to run.
    

Notesfiles with greater than 32767 notes:
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57705::SOAPBOX_1992  (SOAPBOX 1992 - The Archive)
 1921 topics,  197478 notes,  1 node, Updated 15-MAY-1993

2372::DIGITAL  (The DEC way of working)
 2555 topics,  69429 notes,  23 nodes, Updated 24-JUN-1993

16771::CARBUFFS  (Carbuffs)
 583 topics,  62675 notes,  4 nodes, Updated 25-JUN-1993

20013::WOMANNOTES-V4  (Topics of Interest to Women)
 878 topics,  61791 notes,  1 node, Updated 25-JUN-1993

2052::FLYING  (General Aviation)
 4658 topics,  61045 notes,  1 node, Updated 24-JUN-1993

31560::FELINE_V1  (Meower Power is Valuing Differences)
 5089 topics,  60366 notes,  1 node, Updated 26-JAN-1993

12290::HOME_WORK  (Home_work)
 5000 topics,  59252 notes,  1 node, Updated 25-JUN-1993

19569::INFOVAX  (Info-VAX mailings from Internet)
 67171 topics,  55313 notes,  3 nodes, Updated 26-JUN-1993

4156::IBMPC  (New IBM PC conference is RANGER::IBMPC-92)
 8308 topics,  54670 notes,  1 node, Updated 15-JUN-1993

20013::WOMANNOTES-V3  (Topics of Interest to Women)
 1078 topics,  52448 notes,  1 node, Updated 4-NOV-1991 

57705::SPORTS_90  (OURGNG::SPORTS - Digital's daily tabloid)
 438 topics,  50420 notes,  1 node, Updated 27-MAR-1992

29820::HEAVY_METAL  (HEAVY_METAL)
 958 topics,  46562 notes,  13 nodes, Updated 26-JUN-1993

8911::GUITAR  ( Guitar Notes)
 2758 topics,  45459 notes,  1 node, Updated 25-JUN-1993

19478::EVMS-YELLOW-ARCHIVE-1  (EVMS Yellow Conference)
 15465 topics,  42294 notes,  18 nodes, Updated 17-APR-1992

12021::TRIVIA  (Triviality is its own reward)
 3673 topics,  40946 notes,  1 node, Updated 25-JUN-1993

18558::GRATEFUL_OLD  (Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD)
 1200 topics,  40870 notes,  5 nodes, Updated 6-MAY-1992 

56416::OLD_ULTRIX  (Volume 3, Take a RISC with ULTRIX...)
 10152 topics,  38672 notes,  4 nodes, Updated 21-OCT-1992

56547::AMIGA_V1  (AMIGA NOTES)
 5378 topics,  38326 notes,  4 nodes, Updated 5-FEB-1992 

56547::DEJAVU  (Psychic Phenomena)
 1855 topics,  38222 notes,  4 nodes, Updated 27-JUN-1993

30753::JOYOFLEX  (The Joy of Lex)
 1050 topics,  37869 notes,  1 node, Updated 25-JUN-1993

40027::HAMRADIO  (Amateur Radio)
 5484 topics,  36520 notes,  11 nodes, Updated 25-JUN-1993

20013::WOMANNOTES-V2  (
ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE)
 1105 topics,  36420 notes,  1 node, Updated 28-MAR-1991

57537::AUDIO  (The Emperor's New Audio)
 3680 topics,  33473 notes,  3 nodes, Updated 25-JUN-1993

19646::CANINE-V1  (CANINE-V1 (original CANINE conference))
 3760 topics,  33212 notes,  1 node, Updated 19-OCT-1991

57087::COMMUSIC_V1  (* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *)
 2852 topics,  33157 notes,  1 node, Updated 21-FEB-1992

2082::MENNOTES-V1  (Topics Pertaining to Men)
 867 topics,  32923 notes,  1 node, Updated 26-JAN-1993

28864::GRATEFUL  (Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD)
 360 topics,  32907 notes,  3 nodes, Updated 25-JUN-1993
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1863.1I wish they hadn't done that ...KERNEL::BELLOpen your heart, I'm coming home.Tue Jul 27 1993 09:329
  OK ... who's going to predict how long it is before this data is used by one
  of the bean-counting b*stards to "prove" how much money is wasted by employee-
  interest confrences ?  Given that the UK CEO stated that "we should all just
  do our jobs" - in the context of not making *work-related* comments outside of
  our own area of expertise ! - I reckon it wont take long for some joker to see
  a "significant [short-term] cost-saving" ...

  Frank
1863.2HOO78C::ANDERSONFarm livin' is the life for me!Tue Jul 27 1993 10:315
    As some conferences are started from scratch each year, while others
    restart randomly and some like this one have only one edition, I cannot
    see that these figures mean anything.

    Jamie.
1863.3ENABLE::glantzMike @TAY 227-4299 TP Eng LittletonTue Jul 27 1993 13:216
True enough, Jamie, but that subtlety would be lost on the folks Frank
referred to. Perhaps we should archive this DEJAVU and persuade Mr
Falek to re-run his little program.

PS: just imagine if his program had identified the top 100 most
prolific authors in Digital.
1863.4HOO78C::ANDERSONFarm livin' is the life for me!Tue Jul 27 1993 13:267
    >PS: just imagine if his program had identified the top 100 most
    >prolific authors in Digital.
    
    AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH!
    
    Jamie.
    
1863.5Oh great.DWOVAX::STARKcrouton in a primordial soupTue Jul 27 1993 13:289
>PS: just imagine if his program had identified the top 100 most
>prolific authors in Digital.
    
    aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    
    The last nail in my coffin.  I've probably written a hundred
    thousand notes over the years.  Never suspecting I have to
    'atone' for them.  
    							todd
1863.6in stereoDWOVAX::STARKcrouton in a primordial soupTue Jul 27 1993 13:312
    Oops, sorry for all that screaming.  I didn't hear Jamie screaming
    when I started that note.  :-)
1863.7HOO78C::ANDERSONFarm livin' is the life for me!Tue Jul 27 1993 14:383
    You take the left ears and I'll do the right ones.
    
    Jamie.
1863.8ENABLE::glantzMike @TAY 227-4299 TP Eng LittletonTue Jul 27 1993 14:5210
Nice effect, guys :-). But perhaps in vain. The tools have been around
to do such rankings for years. And they've been used. I don't know that
they've been used company-wide; I've only seen them used by a couple of
mods on their own conferences just for jollies. But to think that
"Digital is too nice a company" for this not to have been done
company-wide would be too trusting.

Like I said, I don't know if this has been done, and I don't know the
probability. But there are people who would want to, and if it had, it
wouldn't surprise me.
1863.9yepTNPUBS::PAINTERremembering AmberTue Jul 27 1993 15:358
    
    A friend of mine ran a search on DEJAVU about 4.5 years ago, and found
    that at that time, I had contributed about 5% of the notes. Fortunately
    he's a *good* friend.
    
    So, it has been done...
    
    Cindy
1863.10Means more than *nothing*.CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperTue Jul 27 1993 16:1521
RE: .2 (Jamie)

>    As some conferences are started from scratch each year, while others
>    restart randomly and some like this one have only one edition, I cannot
>    see that these figures mean anything.

    I think that that is a bit of an overstatement, Jamie.  They mean
    something -- its just that they represent a combination of a number
    of factors -- specifically it is a product of age and activity, the
    latter measured in average notes posted per unit time.  Obviously it
    does *not* mean that this is among the most active conferences, i.e.,
    that it is among those with the most notes posted per day, or whatever,
    anymore than it can be taken to mean that it is among the oldest.  It
    means that is among those with the greatest combination of those two.

    It even has a practical meaning -- anyone starting now and wanting to
    review the whole conference has a very big job with DEJAVU.  Believe
    me, when I think about, for example, redoing the keywords (shudder)
    the total number of notes is a very meaningful quantity.

                                         Topher
1863.11Lots of one line notes vs a few 1000 liners.CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperTue Jul 27 1993 16:188
RE: measuring most active authors

    Not sure that counting number of notes is really the meaningful figure.
    Lines of text posted is more like it -- but even then not quite right.
    Should my repostings, for example, of the quake reports count the same
    as if I wrote all that stuff myself?

                                        Topher
1863.12ENABLE::glantzMike @TAY 227-4299 TP Eng LittletonTue Jul 27 1993 16:5411
The details are irrelevant. Regardless how you measure it, just publish
a ranking, and somebody will take it to mean something (and use it
against you). Reminds me of an old Israeli joke:

Candidate 1: "Withdraw from the race, or I'll tell the press your
sister's a whore"

Candidate 2: "I don't have a sister."

Candidate 1: "It doesn't matter. By the time they finish with you,
everyone will know she's a whore."