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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1762.0. "I sometimes wonder, I really do." by HOO78C::ANDERSON (Friday the 13th - Part 12a) Fri Nov 13 1992 13:07

    Moving the speed of the proverbial "Millwheels of God" the Vatican have
    managed to drag themselves kicking and screaming into the  mid 17th
    century, just before the rest of us leave for the 21st century. Should
    we tell them when we leave, or just turn out the lights and slip off.
    Read on and be amazed.
    
    [Reprinted from the Toronto Star 1-NOV-92 w/o permission]
    
    VATICAN ACQUITS GALILEO OF HERESY FOR SAYING EARTH CIRCLE THE SUN
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    VATICAN CITY (Special) - It's official: the Earth revolves around the
    sun, even for the Vatican.
    
    The Roman Catholic Church has admitted to erring these past 359 years
    in formally condemning Galileo Galilei for entertaining scientific
    truths it long denounced as against-the-scriptures heresy.
    
    Pope John Paul II himself turned up yesterday for a meeting of the
    Pontifical Academy of Sciences to help set the record straight on
    behalf of the 17th-Century Italian mathematician, astronomer and
    physicist who was the first man to use a telescope and who is
    remembered as one of history's greatest scientists.
    
    "The underlying problems of this case concern both the nature of
    science and the message of faith," the Pope noted.  "One day we may
    find ourselves in a similar situation, which will require both sides to
    have informed awareness of the field and of the limits of their own
    competencies."
    
    It took a commission of historic, scientific and theological inquiry,
    appointed by the Pope, 13 years to bring its "not guilty" finding for
    Galileo, who, at age 69 in 1633, was forced to repent by the Roman
    Inquisition and spent the last eight years of his life under house
    arrest.
    
    The commission found that Galileo's clerical judges acted in good faith
    but were "incapable of dissociating faith from an age-old cosmology" -
    the biblical vision of the Earth as the centre of the universe.
    
    "God fixed the Earth upon its foundation, not to be moved forever,"
    says one Bible verse contradicted by Galileo's pioneering notion that
    the Earth spins daily on its axis and makes an annual journey around
    the sun.
    
    Unable to comprehend a non-literal reading of Scripture, according to
    the commission, the judges feared that, if Galileo's ideas were taught,
    they would undermine Catholic tradition at a time when it was under
    attack by Protestant reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin.
    
    "This subjective error in judgement, so clear to us today, led them to
    a disciplinary measure from which Galileo 'had much to suffer.'  These
    mistakes must be frankly recognized, as you, Holy Father, have
    requested," Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the commission, told the
    Pope.
    
    Galileo, tried on "vehement suspicion of heresy," was forced to swear
    that he "abjured, cursed and detested" the errors of his work, which
    extended the finding of the Polish astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus that
    the Earth moves.
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1762.1VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenFri Nov 13 1992 13:361
    Let's just slip off.... maybe they won't notice.
1762.3CARTUN::MISTOVICHFri Nov 13 1992 14:581
    Definitely just slip off.  That way they can't follow us...
1762.4getting to be that time...VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenFri Nov 13 1992 16:213
    "the way you came,
     and the way you go,
     let your tracks be lost in the dark and snow"
1762.6HOCUS::FERGUSONall work and no play ... is STUPIDMon Nov 16 1992 20:277
    Hmm - the Church has been really busy this week.  I heard on the news
    this morning that they've added to the list of sins that have to be
    confessed.  The only two I remember were Drunk Driving and Cheating On
    Your Income Taxes.
    
    
    Ginny
1762.8WARNUT::NISBETDnisbet@cix.compulink.co.ukTue Nov 17 1992 07:4415
    The Vatican has just released (it was leaked apparently) the new beta
    test version of the gospel.
    
    Tax Evasion and drunk driving have been added as sins. Abortion,
    Contraception and Suicide are still sins. So no new news there. 
    
    A QAR account has been setup so you can register bugs and
    inconsistencies as you find them. Call ...
    
    
    I had that Graham Greene in the back of the cab once ...
    
    Dougie
    
    
1762.9PLAYER::BROWNLWhat happened to summer?Tue Nov 17 1992 08:1612
    When I was a small child, brought up in an environment of Irish
    Catholicism, lapsed at home, and strict at school, praying was reserved
    for attempting to change the unchangeable. For instance, praying for
    something to happen that was unlikely to happen, or praying that
    retribution for a misdemeanour would either never happen or be less
    severe than experience told us it would be.
    
    As an adult, praying (I should imagine) must take the form of
    meditation, at least to some degree. How therefore, can the Church ban
    it?
    
    Laurie.
1762.10HOO78C::ANDERSONExploring the limits of taste.Tue Nov 17 1992 09:2311
    Re .8

    They weren't exactly leaked. A French publisher jumped the gun and was
    ready to put out the French version yesterday. The Vatican had wanted
    to wait until it was available in more languages but their hand was
    forced by the thought of it not coming first from the Vatican. Shock!
    Horror. So they hastily the Pope to read them out.

    Source: BBC European service on Sunday evening. 

    Jamie.
1762.11TOLKIN::DUMARTFri Nov 20 1992 16:581
    Sometimes the sheer audacity of it all takes my breathe away.
1762.13HERON::BUCHANANThe was not found.Tue Nov 24 1992 17:307
>    As an adult, praying (I should imagine) must take the form of meditation, 
>    at least to some degree.

	IMHO, Praying is to meditation what transmission is to reception.	

regards,
Andrew.
1762.14Unabridged version...STAR::SROBERTSONTue Feb 02 1993 16:5514
    From what I understand from those 'in_the_know', the Bible was edited
    after early writings.  I am told that the prophecies were so incredible
    and so profound that we mere mortals would be traumatized with it's
    original contents.  What were the original contents?  I do not know. 
    My guess would be that the information was similar to the Nostradamus
    type thing.  Do I believe this information?  Dunno...I hope to find
    more info someday soon, but my source is a little on the looney side
    and, frankly, I have a healthy fear of her and for her, but that's
    another story...
    
    Has anyone else 'heard' about the 'original' Bible or would it be
    called the 'unabridged' version...
    
    Sandra
1762.15Doesn't existACETEK::TIMPSONFrom little things big things growTue Feb 02 1993 17:126
>>    Has anyone else 'heard' about the 'original' Bible or would it be
>>    called the 'unabridged' version...

        Yup.  It doesn't exist.
        
        Steve
1762.16STUDIO::GUTIERREZCitizen of the CosmosTue Feb 02 1993 17:3916
    
    	RE: .14
    
    	I read something along those lines where bishops and high officials
    	of the church got together in Constantinopla (?), where they
    	decided to edit and re-write the Bible in order to eliminate
    	certain passages and to change the meaning of many of the stories
    	so as to give themselves more power over the people at large.  
    
	The story goes on to say that all of the copies of the existing
    	Bible were gathered, burnt and replaced by the "new" and "improved"
    	Bible.  The only book which was practically left untouched was the
    	book of Revelations because they didn't understand it, and so,
    	could not change its meaning.
    
                                               
1762.17VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenTue Feb 02 1993 18:161
    Funny... that's the one I like the most..
1762.18VAXUUM::TWOLLY::WAJENBERGTue Feb 02 1993 20:0316
    Re .14:
    
    The development of the canon (the list of books in the Bible) is
    discussed in topic 183 of the SX4GTO::Antiquity conference.
    
    There have been various decisions at various church councils about
    which books went into the canon, but it was never feasible to edit
    the canon in the way described in .17 because (1) the church was never
    united enough to do so, and (2) there was never a time when any
    autonomous part of the church had access to ALL the copies of any of
    the books now in the canon.  It is possible for some relatively rare
    books to have been exterminated, leaving no trace, but all the books
    now in the canon were too widely disseminated by the time the church
    came to power.
    
    Earl Wajenberg