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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1733.0. "Eradicate negativism!" by SONATA::RAMSAY () Fri Sep 11 1992 17:38

    There is a lot of negativism in this file lately.  That is not what
    this file is all about.  It was pleasanter to read a while ago.  No
    arguments, no attacks, just information or experiences to digest or
    forget about.  And ask questions if clarification was needed.  I do not
    like all this attacking one another.  The world has got to stop doing this.
    The world has got to learn to get along with one another, respect one
    another.  This includes countries, continents, peoples, families,
    individuals.
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1733.1indeedTNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisFri Sep 11 1992 18:266
    
    I concur.  
    
    It is getting rather tiring and boring.
    
    Cindy
1733.2Have patience.6308::COOPERTopher CooperFri Sep 11 1992 18:543
    It goes in cycles.

			    Topher
1733.3VS2K::GENTILETeamLinks for WindowsFri Sep 11 1992 19:0416
    There is a lot of negativism in this file lately.  That is not what
    this file is all about.  It was pleasanter to read a while ago.  No
    arguments, no attacks, just information or experiences to digest or
    forget about.  And ask questions if clarification was needed.  I do not
    like all this attacking one another.  The world has got to stop doing 
this.
    The world has got to learn to get along with one another, respect one
    another.  This includes countries, continents, peoples, families,
    individuals.

This is true and I have probably been pretty negative at times in here but I 
wanted to express the feelings that the Rebublican convention brought up for 
me, it made me that fearfull. It's true that we have to respect one another. 
It's hard. It's a lesson that I am currently struggling with.

Sam
1733.4WMOIS::CONNELLDUST: The Adventure Continues.Fri Sep 11 1992 19:4817
    While I am rather tired of the negativism that is here and sometimes in
    other files, I feel that it has to happen. As Topher said, "It goes in
    cycles." It also helps us to modify ideas and clarify our positions.
    Remember, what is negative to one is positive to another. Outright
    attacks on people because of their ideas and beliefs should never be
    tolerated. Attacks on the beleifs or ideas because they are so far from
    main stream thinking as to be considered by many to be "crazy", "off
    the wall", or "frightening", is also wrong. Disagreeing with ideas,
    even disagreeing vehemently is fine. We shape our beliefs, ideas,
    ideals on healthy skepticism and potent agreements.
    
    It would be a poorer multiverse without argument and some negativism.
    
    Yin & Yang is a very real concept.
    
    
    PJ
1733.5VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenSat Sep 12 1992 14:518
    Gee, ... I didn't even realize it was negative lately... it's been
    much worse in the past (I think).... I mean... what do you guys think
    has been negative about it?  
    
    I'm probably being negative and didn't even realize it... I just
    thought we were talking... life isn't always happy for everyone...
    sometimes people have problems and feel like talking about them...
    that's not so bad, is it?
1733.7VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenMon Sep 14 1992 14:551
    'same as it ever was'... :-)
1733.8least of all meBTOVT::BEST_Gdisk 3 of 2Tue Sep 15 1992 21:187
    
    This file is NOT negative!!! ;-) ;-) ;-)
    
    
    guy
    
    
1733.9VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Sep 17 1992 18:192
    Some one entered a note recently about a workbook to combat negative
    attitudes... does anyone remember where that note is?
1733.10CARTUN::BERGGRENdrumming is good medicineThu Sep 17 1992 18:266
    Mary,
    
    I think the reference is under the "How to erase negative thoughts 
    from my mind" note.
    
    Kb
1733.11VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Sep 17 1992 18:271
    thanks, kb..
1733.12The alternative view .PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Mon Oct 05 1992 11:012
    Why be positive . The world sucks .
    
1733.13VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenMon Oct 05 1992 13:241
    Thanks Warburtong.. 
1733.14BTOVT::BEST_Gdisk 3 of 2Mon Oct 05 1992 13:468
    
    there is no justice...
    
    
    
    ;-)
    
    guy
1733.15For Mary.PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Mon Oct 05 1992 13:493
    Believe it or not a strange and mystical episode in Manchester led me
    to this post-existentialist viewpoint.
    
1733.16VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenMon Oct 05 1992 14:461
    Oh yea? ... interesting...
1733.17PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Mon Oct 05 1992 15:093
     Well I wouln't wish to bore you with an account of a deeply felt,
    intense , profound and sensual expierience .
    
1733.18VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenMon Oct 05 1992 15:271
    Ok..
1733.19Thought no one would ask, huh? ASABET::ESOMSManifesting a DreamMon Oct 05 1992 15:526
    .17
    
    Well, if Mary doesn't want to be bored, I do.  Tell me about
    it.  :^)
    
    Joanne
1733.20SALSA::MOELLERBermuda Triangle: Elvis needs boats!Tue Oct 06 1992 01:1227
    re the topic.. this isn't about the notesfile, but linear thinking is
    Fascist.
    
    I've been having a problem being around my 26-year old stepdaughter.  
    
    She's an art student at the local U, lives on her own, dresses fashionably 
    all in black, dyed her hair purple, has black nail polish, and then 
    complains that people mistake her for 19.  She thinks the world sucks, 
    with all the suffering, including hers.  Of course it's the self-imposed 
    type.  Her artwork is very dark and negative, technically inept, 
    conceptually stark.  I don't like any of it, and at the same time I'm 
    glad she's hanging in there with the work.
    
    At times I just want to put distance between us.. it seems I have hold 
    of a possibly shaky optimism and faith, and she's a walking reproach to
    anyone halfway happy.  She claims to have a spiritual path, but is
    reaping no visible benefits from it.  I have to remember not to expect
    her to be a peer, because of her age.. though she has been for
    counseling in the past, and is clearly not done, she spurns it as going
    'backwards' and wants to 'get on' with her life.  
    
    It's a lesson in compassionate detachment.  She has to stumble and fall
    on her own, as she violently rejects advice and/or guidance from her
    mother or me.  I can see glimpses occasionally of the shining face I 
    know is in her, but it's a lot of work right now !
    
    best. karl
1733.21 Would Stanley please be constructive.SUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupTue Oct 06 1992 07:446
1733.22PLAYER::BROWNLTwo legs good, four legs kinkyTue Oct 06 1992 07:533
    Anonymous notes are as bad-mannered as they are cowardly.
    
    Laurie.
1733.23SUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeTue Oct 06 1992 08:166
1733.24PLAYER::BROWNLTwo legs good, four legs kinkyTue Oct 06 1992 08:328
    I've been called many things in the past, but a bore! Ye Gods!
    
    Actually, I don't believe it's boring to consider anonymous criticism
    offensive. I've given Mary Stanley her fair share of grief in the past,
    but I've always had the guts to put my name at the bottom, and to note
    from my own account. More than can be said of "Annoyed".
    
    Laurie.
1733.25UntitledPEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Tue Oct 06 1992 09:019
      RE :.24
      
     So long that you realise that your views are subjective , and not
    shared by everyone . Personally I feel that 'Annoyed' has an
    interesting contribution to make and displays the gutsy courage that
    others can only dream of .
    
    
    
1733.27PLAYER::BROWNLTwo legs good, four legs kinkyTue Oct 06 1992 09:1619
1733.28PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Tue Oct 06 1992 09:3111
     RE : .28
    
     Dear Laurie ,
                  I feel it may be difficult to get this across but here
    goes . You accused 'Annoyed' of cowardice in a previous note . I
    pointed out that your views were subjective ,ie they are not
    necessarily shared by others . Why then do you find it necessary to
    repeat what you had previously said ; the only elaboration being a
    slanderous and particularly cowardly attack upon myself ?
                                                    Guy
    
1733.29SUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupTue Oct 06 1992 09:328
1733.30PLAYER::BROWNLTwo legs good, four legs kinkyTue Oct 06 1992 11:1015
    RE: .28
    
    I repeated (or rather elaborated) my previous statements because you
    asserted that "Annoyed" was "gutsy". I merely pointed out that the
    contrary was in fact the case, as evidenced by the cowardly lack of
    identification.
    
    My other remark was not slanderous, since it contained the word
    "probably". Besides, if I were really bothered, I could easily ask
    "W.E." the owner of that account, who's been using it and when. Perhaps
    it's "W.E." in person, who knows?
    
    "Annoyed." Show your "face", if you expect the courtesy of a reply.
    
    Laurie.
1733.31Oh boySQM::HARQUAILDrive Sane, save wildlifeTue Oct 06 1992 11:224
    
    	Any body have any popcorn?
    
    Terry
1733.32Sad ManWARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDI'll have a job please BobTue Oct 06 1992 11:457
1733.33WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDI'll have a job please BobTue Oct 06 1992 11:469
1733.34HOO78C::ANDERSONThe wettest drought on record.Tue Oct 06 1992 11:483
    Do you want butter with the popcorn?

    Jamie.
1733.35PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Tue Oct 06 1992 12:166
         Slanderous innuendo then if you wish to be pedantic.
    
    
    
    
    
1733.36WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDI'll have a job please BobTue Oct 06 1992 12:3010
1733.37HLFS00::RHMOPERTue Oct 06 1992 12:314
Well I think that Jamie Anderson and Laurie Brown should both be thrown out on
their ears.

A. Nonymous
1733.38VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenTue Oct 06 1992 12:351
    You guys getting bored over there or what?  
1733.39WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDI'll have a job please BobTue Oct 06 1992 12:404
    re: .37
    
    Are Laurie and Jamie Lobally challenged? Mods, I think .37 is earist.
    
1733.40SUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeTue Oct 06 1992 13:0410
     re : 36
    
    Well Dougie - it may be that libel pertains to  written as opposed
    to   oral  defamation but given the conversational approach of the
    preceding arguments I feel I would have to agree with Mr Warburton
    that slander was the appropriate term .
    
    
        **Gary**
    
1733.41ergot in the grainVERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenTue Oct 06 1992 13:071
    Somebody better check the bread over there... 
1733.42WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDDELETE ENTRY ALLWAYS_TYPE_SH0W_N0TE_BEFORE_HITTING_KP7_0R_SELECTTue Oct 06 1992 13:155
    Just as a matter of interest, where is this alleged libel/slander meant
    to have taken place?
    
    Dougie
    
1733.43PLAYER::BROWNLTwo legs good, four legs kinkyTue Oct 06 1992 13:185
    I've got some ham sandwiches.
    
    Laurie.
    
    PS. Pedantic? Moi? Really, I never heard the like! Me of all people!
1733.44HLFS00::RHMOPERTue Oct 06 1992 13:223
On second thoughts, have them both strung up by their ears.

A. Nonymous
1733.45CONTRA::ELBOWTue Oct 06 1992 13:413
    Well, FWIW, I think Laurie and Jamie are wonderful.
    
    Asiu Donym.
1733.46YES! Butter pleaseSQM::HARQUAILDrive Sane, save wildlifeTue Oct 06 1992 13:476
    
    
    	Defintely buttered popcorn Jamie
    	and make it the Large size, could be a long Movie
    
    terry
1733.47An interesting dish.PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Tue Oct 06 1992 14:0114
     Has anybody tried lenteges ,a delicious stew from northern Spain ?
    
    Ingrediants : a handful of lentils , a chorizo sausage , one large
    onion , one clove of garlic , one tbs olive oil , potatoes ,
     cumin, and seasoning .
    
                      Place the lentils in a pan of water and bring to the
    boil . Remove from the heat . Meanwhile heat the olive oil ;when hot
    fry the onion until soft  Add the Chorizo ( cut into bite size pieces)
     and the cumin, garlic , paprika , and the drained lentils and stir .
                      Add water ,
     bring to the boil , reduce the heat and simmer for one hour . Then add
    large pieces of potato and cook for another half-hour .
     
1733.48HOO78C::ANDERSONThe wettest drought on record.Tue Oct 06 1992 14:073
    Rathole Alert! Moderator get in here and do your thing!

    Jamie.
1733.49SalamiSUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeTue Oct 06 1992 14:224
     Would salami be ok?
    
         **Gary**
    
1733.50No to salami.PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Tue Oct 06 1992 14:265
       I think you'r being a bit negative there Gary . Chorizo is cheap and
    available in any delicatessan .
    
    
    
1733.51SITBUL::GRIFFINPractice random kindness and senseless acts of beautyTue Oct 06 1992 15:3222
    
    Re: .16
    
    (boy did a lot happen in this stream last night)
    
    Actually, the new "in" thing seems to be to highlight the negative
    things that occurred in your life.  Like, it's cool to have had a rough
    childhood (even if it wasn't really).  I have noticed this among some
    18-25 year old friends.  They actually have to work pretty hard at
    maintaining that negativism, but it seems to be a passing fad in the
    Boston area.  She doesn't want to look back (in the counseling)
    probably for two reasons: 1. she might be healed (ooh, bad fashion),
    and 2. she may not be ready.  I've heard a rumor that most folks aren't
    really ready for "recovery" (of whatever sort) until about age 30
    (holding true for my household ;-).  Ignore the negativism, don't fight
    it.  Trying to change her feeds her need (for what, I can't say). 
    She'll be more likely to drop it when it doesn't get her the attention
    she is craving. (note, I'm not a professional, but have had lots of
    accurate guesses upon occasion).  Just love her anyway, but don't cater
    to this darkness thing.  (okay Beth, time to shut up)
    
    
1733.52SITBUL::GRIFFINPractice random kindness and senseless acts of beautyTue Oct 06 1992 15:333
    oops, that was supposed to be Re: .10, not .16.
    
    Beth
1733.53SITBUL::GRIFFINPractice random kindness and senseless acts of beautyTue Oct 06 1992 15:332
    
    Gees, my day for typos: make that Re: .20 (TWENTY)
1733.54SITBUL::GRIFFINPractice random kindness and senseless acts of beautyTue Oct 06 1992 15:467
    Me again.  Any of that popcorn left (all though I seem to have missed
    all the juicy parts).
    
    Actually, all this does seem to have eliminated some of the negativism. 
    I know I've had fun reading all this :-)
    
    Beth
1733.55;-)KAKAPO::LILBURNETue Oct 06 1992 20:375
I missed it all too on account of a big time difference AND reading notes
in batch. It was so good I even read the rest of the string interactively
only to find Beth eating the last of the popcorn!

Linda
1733.56Is that beef sausage?ASABET::ESOMSManifesting a DreamTue Oct 06 1992 21:496
    Linda,
    
    We can pop some more. I missed out too but plan on taking 
    action now.
    
    Joanne who love's Mary's notes  
1733.57"Oh, *that*'s what the weird incantations do ..." :-)KERNEL::BELLHear the softly spoken magic spellWed Oct 07 1992 07:5016
  Sorry about this folks, I suspect that I might be to blame for the recent
  string ... I made the mistake of leaving the DEJAVU entry in my notebook
  next to that for EF92 (EuroForum) and it appears that there's been some
  cross contamination [ not really cross-fertilization even though there's
  been a lot of fertilizer around in the last few days ].  I think that
  there's been some sort of print-through effect : as in the case of magnetic
  tape, if it is pressed together and left for a while, the field patterns
  on the separate layers start to cause noticeable effects, I compressed my
  notebook the other week and ended up with these two conferences adjacent.

  I'll have to go off and find a suitably redundant conference to separate
  them, something between ::DEJ and ::EF (::DELTA_TEAMS or ::EASYNET_TOOLS
  maybe) so their continued isolation is guaranteed.

  Frank
1733.58 Its all your fault .PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Wed Oct 07 1992 08:168
     RE : .57
    
    I agree . Its all your fault .
    
    Guy
    
    
    
1733.59Gee, you're such a generous GuyKERNEL::BELLThe silicon chip inside his head ...Wed Oct 07 1992 08:267
  tank you.  its realy nice to be granted all the complete honor of these
  faults and also to know that now their is aggreement all the negativism
  has bean eradicatd.

  /frank
  spell-checking-wizard
1733.60At LastPEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Wed Oct 07 1992 09:0512
      Thank you Frank . Its very refreshing to find somebody willing to
    admit to their own failings . I hope that those responsible for those
    dismal ( and unamusing ) remarks about popcorn will also repent .
      Then perhaps we may return to the serious task of eradicating
    negativism .
    
    
    
    
    Guy
    
    
1733.61PLAYER::BROWNLTwo legs good, four legs kinkyWed Oct 07 1992 09:075
    RE: -1
    
    Ah well, the popcorn and ham sarny references were an in-joke. HaaHaa.
    
    Laurie.
1733.62WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDDELETE ENTRY ALLWAYS_TYPE_SH0W_N0TE_BEFORE_HITTING_KP7_0R_SELECTWed Oct 07 1992 09:205
    At the risk of stating the obvious, .60 is a tad on the negative side.
    If one is trying to eradicate negativism, one doesn't go around
    accusing other people of being dismal. 
    
    Dougie
1733.63PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Wed Oct 07 1992 09:5914
       RE : .61    
                  Perhaps we could all share the joke ; I'm sure it will
    prove to be hilarious . Yawn .
    
       RE : .62
                  Yes it was rather obvious . To dismiss a constructive
    comment as negative is a contradiction .
    
    
    
    Guy
    
    
                    
1733.64Are the players alowed any popcorn?WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDDELETE ENTRY ALLWAYS_TYPE_SH0W_N0TE_BEFORE_HITTING_KP7_0R_SELECTWed Oct 07 1992 10:0910
>   <<< Note 1733.63 by PEKING::WARBURTONG "Is it herbal deficiency Doc??!" >>>
>
>       RE : .61    
>                  Perhaps we could all share the joke ; I'm sure it will
>    prove to be hilarious . Yawn .

Hey Sarcasm now is it Guy? Keep practising. You might become rather good at
it one day.

Dougie
1733.65HOO78C::ANDERSONThe wettest drought on record.Wed Oct 07 1992 10:143
    Hands up everyone who got their wrist slapped by Topher.

    Jamie.
1733.66PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Wed Oct 07 1992 10:217
       
          Yes Dougie . Perhaps one day you may have something interesting
    to say . :-)
    
    
    Guy
       
1733.67wrist unslappedPLAYER::BROWNLTwo legs good, four legs kinkyWed Oct 07 1992 10:465
    RE: .63
    
    No.
    
    Laurie.
1733.68PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Wed Oct 07 1992 10:499
      Re : .65
    
    I reckon that Warburtong chap should be reported to Topher . By the way
    Topher seems a bit of a funny name .
    
    
    
     Warburtong
    
1733.69SORRYSUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeWed Oct 07 1992 11:105
    I've been reported to Topher.  **SEE NOTE 1733.23**
    
    I would like to apoligise for calling Laurie a bore.
    
    **Gary**
1733.70I would like to accept your apology on Laurie's behalf .PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Wed Oct 07 1992 11:248
      RE : .69
    
     I would like to accept your apology on Laurie's behalf .
    
    
    **Guy**
    
    
1733.71WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDDELETE ENTRY ALLWAYS_TYPE_SH0W_N0TE_BEFORE_HITTING_KP7_0R_SELECTWed Oct 07 1992 11:419
    <<< Note 1733.65 by HOO78C::ANDERSON "The wettest drought on record." >>>

    Hands up everyone who got their wrist slapped by Topher.
    
me. But Topher is the most eloquent and gentle wrist slapper in the
business. I hardly felt it at all.

Dougie

1733.72PLAYER::BROWNLTwo legs good, four legs kinkyWed Oct 07 1992 11:543
    I never complained to Topher about you calling me a bore...
    
    Laurie.
1733.73SOZSUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeWed Oct 07 1992 12:0013
    Laurie
    
    I would again like to apoligise to you for calling you a bore...  I
    can't see what the problem was though, cos' it was meant in a joking 
    context.  
    
    Guess who did'nt get a ticking by Topher...
    
    
    MR WARBURTON
    
    
    **Gary** 
1733.74 Attention Mr Waite , son of the famous Colin Waite .PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Wed Oct 07 1992 12:3211
     Well Gary , I'm sorry about what has happened . I have heard that that
    Topher chap can be a bit of a tyrant . But to be frank you have only
    yourslf to blame . I suggest you should read the notes at the beginning
    of this conference . When you understand the rules perhaps you will
    refrain from propogating the filthy bile we have come to expect .
    
    **Guy**
    
    
    
      
1733.75SUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeWed Oct 07 1992 12:375
    RE 74
    
    How can you say that, when you started it all.
    
    **Gary**
1733.76This is becoming a ham; sorry, shamWARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDDELETE ENTRY ALLWAYS_TYPE_SH0W_N0TE_BEFORE_HITTING_KP7_0R_SELECTWed Oct 07 1992 12:571
    
1733.77VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenWed Oct 07 1992 13:006
    
    ****** All hail Eris ******
    
    .....or at least buy her a cup of coffee... 
    
    Back to your regularly scheduled program...
1733.78Close enough.CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperWed Oct 07 1992 13:328
RE: .74 (**Guy**)

>    I have heard that that Topher chap can be a bit of a tyrant .

    I like to think of myself as a benevolent dictator, actually.  But
    "tyrancy is in the eyes of the beholder" as they always say.

				    Topher :-)
1733.79PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Wed Oct 07 1992 14:366
    
    RE : .78
    
    Don't you mean tyranny ?
    
    
1733.80Moi?CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperWed Oct 07 1992 15:195
RE: .79

    Why ask me?  It's what "they" always say.  Ask them!

				    Topher
1733.81...ratholeATSE::FLAHERTYRo ReinkeWed Oct 07 1992 15:228
    Wish these British chaps would take their monotonous chat somewhere
    where it might be better appreciated.
    
    Hope this note is seen as polite as not to get my hand slapped, but
    good grief enough is enough already...
    
    Ro
     
1733.82might as well enjoy the show, Roey... :-)VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenWed Oct 07 1992 15:411
    "only one in ten thousand come for the show" :-)
1733.83AMEN!!VS2K::GENTILENew World Order Is OLD World LieWed Oct 07 1992 16:438
    Wish these British chaps would take their monotonous chat somewhere
    where it might be better appreciated.
    
    Hope this note is seen as polite as not to get my hand slapped, but
    good grief enough is enough already...
    

AMEN!!!!
1733.84SALSA::MOELLERBermuda Triangle: Elvis needs boats!Wed Oct 07 1992 18:343
    Dejavu: A kinder, gentler SOAPBOX
    
    karl
1733.85VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenWed Oct 07 1992 18:471
    Soapbox?  New-World-Forum is more like it.. 
1733.86SITBUL::GRIFFINPractice random kindness and senseless acts of beautyWed Oct 07 1992 20:057
    
    >****** All hail Eris ******
    
    Is that who has been running amok through this conference lately?
    
    ;-)
    Beth
1733.87speaking of W_FTNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisWed Oct 07 1992 23:256
    
    Now where's denise???
    
    signed,
    
    tippr
1733.88Fighting back.PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Thu Oct 08 1992 07:2412
    
       RE : .81
    
     Well I'm deeply offended ,especially given that this insult came from
    the land of George Bush , the Cosby's , Wayne's World , baseball ( a
    dreary type of rounders ) ,yawn , etc .
     Hands up you Brits who are insulted Ro's remark .
    
    **Guy**
    
    
    
1733.89Well Done MR WARBURTONSUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeThu Oct 08 1992 07:298
    We'll i agree with 88 comments and I think its brilliant the way that
    Mr Warburton has taken a stand against the backlash we are currently
    suffering from the Americans.
    
    I am offended by 81 comments and I feel he has been trying to draw a
    line between the Americans and the Brits.
    
    **Gary**
1733.90Stop these insults.SUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupThu Oct 08 1992 07:487
    
     I dont think that Ro chap was polite .When will these Yankee insults
    stop .
    
    Terry "Bulldog" Jones
    
    
1733.91I say chaps, isn't this all a bit negative?WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDDELETE ENTRY ALLWAYS_TYPE_SH0W_N0TE_BEFORE_HITTING_KP7_0R_SELECTThu Oct 08 1992 08:426
    .81 was an insult? You call THAT an insult? I can remember when insults
    were REALLY insults. I used to walk 5 miles before breakfast, buy one
    for a farthing, and still have change for t'Hovis on way home. 
    
    Dougie
    
1733.92HOO78C::ANDERSONThe wettest drought on record.Thu Oct 08 1992 10:013
    I am seldom insulted.
    
    Jamie.
1733.93If I wanted to read that sort of sh!t, I'd open an appropriate conference.KERNEL::BELLHear the softly spoken magic spellThu Oct 08 1992 10:2013
  Re .92

  It's not for want of folk trying though ...


  Re. the SUBURB/PEKING pillocks association

  Please go back to ::WORLD_FORUM, ::SOAPBOX or even SUBURB::MUSICIANS_UK
  (to make response times better).  If you'd prefer two monosyllabic words
  by way of explanation, I'll be pleased to oblige.

  Frank
1733.94BTOVT::BEST_Gpeacemaker dieThu Oct 08 1992 11:476
    
    Nice little show y'all are putting on here, but please....I prefer
    Wayne's World....
    
    
    guy
1733.95VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Oct 08 1992 12:431
    It must be raining in Rio... :-)
1733.96Frank BellPEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Thu Oct 08 1992 14:147
      
    RE : 1733.93
    
    Big girl's blouse .
    
    
    Guy
1733.97gender insult (;^)TNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisThu Oct 08 1992 17:4610
    
    .89 (WAITEG)
    
    >I am offended by 81 comments and feel he has been trying to draw....
                                           ^^
    OK, now you're even.
    
    'Ro' is a 'she'.                         
    
    Cindy
1733.98HOO78C::ANDERSONThe wettest drought on record.Fri Oct 09 1992 06:067
    Re .97

    >gender insult

    Something you have never done Cindy?

    Jamie.
1733.99PLAYER::BROWNLNT or not NT. What's the question?Fri Oct 09 1992 08:398
    RE: .97
    
    You don't mean gender, you mean sex. Gender is a grammatical term, and
    only words have a gender (masculine/feminine/neuter). So, since 'sex'
    isn't an adjective (nor is 'gender' for that matter), the phrase you
    are looking for is "sexual insult".
    
    Laurie.
1733.100Sorry RoSUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupFri Oct 09 1992 08:3911
     
    I am sorry to ave got your gender wrong Ro love but I was a bit down
    after seeing Millwall trounced by the the Arsenal .I could send you
    some of me mums jellied eels .By the way that Frank Bells a bit of a
    rude geezer .
    
    Yours
         Terry "Bulldog" Jones
    
    
    
1733.101SUBURB::WAITEGWE HATE WEST HAMFri Oct 09 1992 08:458
    Re 100
    
    Why do they call you "Bulldog"
    
    Nice to see another Millwall fan and I also made a mistake with Ro's
    sex (male/female) because of Millwall V Arsenal.
    
    **gary**
1733.102Haven't worked it ou yetPEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Fri Oct 09 1992 11:399
    Re 1733.93
    
    >> If you prefer two monosyllabic words by way of explanation, I'll be 
    >> pleased to oblige.
    
    What words are these.
    
    
       Guy
1733.103my, such gentlemen!ATSE::FLAHERTYRo ReinkeFri Oct 09 1992 12:216
    Apologies accepted, boys.  
    
    Gosh, you're so polite and sincere.  ;')
    
    Ro
    
1733.104ROSUBURB::WAITEGWE HATE WEST HAMFri Oct 09 1992 13:025
    Re 103
    
    Very nice of you to take it like a man.
    
    **Gary**
1733.105TNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisFri Oct 09 1992 13:3210
    
    Jamie,
    
    Not intentionally.  There was a smiley face next to it, btw. 
    
    As a side note - have you been talking to Arie by chance? Next
    time you do, ask him to tell you my initial reaction to our 
    first phone chat. (;^)
    
    Cindy
1733.106OK...Sexual insultTNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisFri Oct 09 1992 13:334
    
    Knew I cud count on U, Laurie.
    
    Cindy
1733.107HOO78C::ANDERSONThe wettest drought on record.Fri Oct 09 1992 13:454
    Oh you found out then Cindy? You spent a long time making that same
    mistake in here.

    Jamie.
1733.108Will You Meet MeSUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupFri Oct 09 1992 13:499
      
    I know I insulted you Ro but that Gary Waite has gone a bit too far and
    needs some cosmetic surgery if you get my drift .Hows about you an I
    making up a bit more personal . We  could meet up at the Kings Head on
    the Old Kent road over lambs fries and bitter .
    
    Terry "Bulldog" Jones
    
    
1733.109SUMMARYSUBURB::WAITEGWE HATE WEST HAMFri Oct 09 1992 13:5422
    I've just reed all the notes on ERADICATE NEGATIVISM and I've come to
    the conclusion that Mary Stanley is to blame for all of it.  
    
    Her sarcastic comments to Guy Warburton at the start were the making of
    the argument.  
    
    Laurie joined in on Mary's side and took it upon himself to crictise
    Annoyed or Terry 'Bulldog' Jones for taking a stand.  He then slandered
    Guy in 1733.27 by quoting "it was probably you anyway".
    
    I find it hard to believe that my own 1733.23 for calling Laurie a bore 
    in a joking context is hidden when 1733.93 who uses much stronger
    launguage isn't.  I find that personally insulting.
    
    **Gary**
    
    I don't need cosmetic surgery and if Ro's got any sense she will stay
    we'll claer of you.  I'm much nicer.
    
    Re 17:  I still wanna know your deeply felt, intense, profound and
    sensual experiance which happened in Manchester.
    
1733.110WBC::BAKERJoy and fierceness...Fri Oct 09 1992 15:1617
re: 1733.99 
PLAYER::BROWNL 

>    You don't mean gender, you mean sex. Gender is a grammatical term, and
>    only words have a gender (masculine/feminine/neuter). 

	Webster's Third New International Dictionary [1986] lists as the
	definition of gender:

	1.) A. (archaic): KIND, SORT.  B. SEX <black divinities of the
	    feminine gender -- Charles Dickens>

	2.) (Linguistics) A. Any of two or more subclasses within a gram-
	     matical class of a language (such as noun, pronoun, adjective,
	     verb)....

	-Art
1733.111YNGSTR::STANLEYI need a miracle every day...Fri Oct 09 1992 15:2913
re:           <<< Note 1733.109 by SUBURB::WAITEG "WE HATE WEST HAM" >>>
                                  -< SUMMARY >-

>    I've just reed all the notes on ERADICATE NEGATIVISM and I've come to
>    the conclusion that Mary Stanley is to blame for all of it.  
    
>    Her sarcastic comments to Guy Warburton at the start were the making of
>    the argument.  
    
I'd be interested to know what comments you found sacastic.  Do you feel better
for having placed blame?

		Dave
1733.112Noting RulesCADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperSat Oct 10 1992 16:1439
RE: .109

    While .93 is questionable it only addresses the content of the
    discussion.  Your comments were, however, addressed against the person,
    which is clearly and unambiguously against the rules under which DEC
    allows this conference to exist.

    Throughout history bullies have harassed, insulted, and even physically
    assaulted people for the purpose of picking a fight and then when
    called to account have defended themselves by saying "It was only a
    joke.  Can't you tell?  Don't you have a sense of humor?"

    Since we cannot determine a writer's intent -- to insult under the
    cover of humor or to amuse under the honest belief that calling people
    names is humorous -- personal insults are disallowed even for humorous
    purposes.

    I'm sorry that my decisions have offended you.  Unfortunately I have a
    responsibility to make sure that this conference follows the rules
    under which DEC allows it to operate and I must make my decisions on
    that basis.  If some note offends you, you may use EMail to contact any
    of the moderators or the notes author to complain.  Similarly, if you
    disagree with any of my decisions, you may take it up with any of the
    other moderators by EMail.  You have not, to the best of my knowledge,
    availed yourself of the recourses you have available.

    This conference is not a public forum, without any restrictions on what
    you say or do, but a private one for DEC employees and contractors run
    with a few minor restrictions -- for the most part they amount to a
    subset of the rules of good manners.  Please read note 1 and its replies.

    For now, by the way, I have allowed you to repeat the insulting remark
    which got your note hidden in the first place.  I have done so because
    they do seem germain to the point you were making -- i.e., they
    legitimately were a factor in your complaint.  If I judge, however,
    that someone is actually offended by your remarks, I will be forced to
    act in response.

					Topher
1733.113WARNUT::TUMSHI::NISBETDDougie Nisbet | Bid Support/OSSSat Oct 10 1992 20:3410
Name calling is, in my experience, fairly unusual in Digital conferences.
From my experience, most hardened 'hard' noters reply like with like.
Nothing more.

fwiw: I have no complaints with Topher's moderating decisions in this
conference, including the hiding of my notes. I have strong views on the
use (and potential abuse) of anonomous noting, but that's another topic.

Dougie

1733.114NauseaPEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Mon Oct 12 1992 08:399
    
      Well I for one agree .Its about time all these insults stopped and
    this conference returned to its former high standard .In fact I am sick
    to death of some of the low-life which appears to infiltrated into this
    conference .
    
    Guy
    
    
1733.115HOO78C::ANDERSONThe wettest drought on record.Mon Oct 12 1992 09:134
    I think that you are all becoming very negative and we should do
    something to eradicate it.

    Jamie.
1733.116Why oh why ?PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Fri Oct 16 1992 08:2621
    
         Why is it that Jamie seems to have the last word in every note ?
    
    
    Guy
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                                             Jamie
    
    
1733.117sex/gender/etc.TNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisMon Oct 19 1992 15:169
    
    Re.107
    
    Jamie,
    
    Please elaborate...what mistake have I made in here?  Do you have
    some note references?   
    
    Cindy
1733.118HOO78C::ANDERSONFriday the 13th - Part 12aMon Nov 02 1992 08:346
    >Please elaborate...what mistake have I made in here?

    You have at least once, when we met last year, referred to one of the
    contributors to this conference using the wrong gender.

    Jamie.
1733.119better memory than meTNPUBS::PAINTERVasudhaiva KutumbakamThu Nov 05 1992 17:156
    
    Re.118
    
    Ah...that was made outside of the conference.
          
    Cindy
1733.120HOO78C::ANDERSONFriday the 13th - Part 12aFri Nov 06 1992 05:147
    Re .119

    >better memory than me 

    Not really, I just have a tendency to take notes.

    Jamie.