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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1601.0. "Madame Blavatski" by NYTP07::LAM () Tue Jan 07 1992 14:23

    Is anyone familiar with the teachings of the Russian mystic Madame
    Blavatski (sp?)?  I understand her teachings very influential during
    the time of Nazi Germany and led to the Nazi doctrine of racial purity
    and superiority.
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1601.1RUBY::PAY$FRETTSif u want to heal u have to *feel*Tue Jan 07 1992 15:246
    
    RE: .0
    
    Boy, *that's* a loaded note.
    
    Carole
1601.2From "The Occult Underground" by James WebbATSE::WAJENBERGof the St.Louis Aquarium ChoirTue Jan 07 1992 16:1131
Mme. Blavatsky was born Helena Petrovana von Hahn, in 1831, in the Ukraine.
She was married at age 18 to Nikifor Blavatksy, vice-governor of the province 
of Erivan.  A few years later, she left him,  returned to her family, then ran 
off with an English sea captain.  She was a circus horse-rider in 
Constantinople, then teamed up with (and probably married) a Hungarian
opera-singer.  She ran several businesses here and there in Europe and Russia, 
until a sea-wreck lost her the opera-singer and left her stranded in Cairo in 
1871.  She then vanishes from the historian's sight, to reappear in Vermont in 
1874, involved with seances.  Here, she met her long-time partner, Colonel 
Olcott.

Together, the two of them worked up a system now known as Theosophy.  Mme. 
Blavatsky wrote many long works on Theosophy, notably "Isis Unveiled" and "The 
Secret Doctrine."  She long outlived Olcott and died in 1891.

Theosophy is based on Hinduism, with multiple levels of reality, 
reincarnation, mediumship, and a body of "Ascended Masters" living in a
secret community in Tibet, directing human history by occult power. 

Race enters the picture because Mme. Blavatsky taught that Earth was, in the 
course of its history, the home of seven different races, each divided into 
seven sub-races, each race and sub-race more evolved than the next.  The 
current race is the fifth of the destined seven.

I take most of this information from "The Occult Underground," by James Webb, 
who says, "The doctrine of the occult destines of races has continued to 
pervade Theosophical thought until comparatively recent times.  It may well 
account for the influence which Theosophy has exercised on several nationalist 
movements."

Earl Wajenberg 
1601.3Cross-referenceATSE::WAJENBERGof the St.Louis Aquarium ChoirTue Jan 07 1992 16:153
    See topic 1528, esp. 1528.1, for more on "The Occult Underground."
    
    ESW
1601.4Theosophy has nothing to do w/ Nazis.FSDEV::LWAINELindaTue Jan 07 1992 19:2514
I am fairly familiar with Madame Blavatsky and Theosophy and I seriously
doubt that it had a strong influence (if any) on Fascism.  While Theosophy does 
go into the 7 root races, etc. it has never claimed that any one race has
"superiority" over another.  All of the theosophical material that I have
read seems to me to be rooted in Good and God, based in what I call
"Christ-Consciousness".

Granted, yes, that Hitler was fascinated with anything related to the
"occult", the paranormal, and religion, but from what I have read, Fascist
beliefs are more aligned with groups such as the Thule Organization and have
nothing to do with Theosophy....

Linda

1601.5All died by 1900, Nazis came laterTNPUBS::STEINHARTFri Jan 10 1992 17:2814
    The Nazis made use of Wagner's operas and Nietzsche's philosophy.
    Wagner died in 1883 and Neitzsche died in 1900.  M. Blavatsky died in 
    1891.  The Nazi movement arose after World War I and rose to power in
    the 1930's.  While the memory of Wagner, Nietzsche, and possibly
    Blavatsky may be tainted with the Nazi's later use of their music or
    writings, it is certainly through no fault of their own.  I believe
    that the works of Nietzsche, Wagner, and Blavatsky should be judged on
    their own merits.
    
    As an interesting sidebar, Wagner has not been performed in Israel. 
    There is a current dispute over one conductor's wish to bring Wagner to
    Israel.
    
    Laura
1601.6WBC::BAKERJoy and fierceness...Wed Jan 15 1992 14:2514
re: 1601.5 
TNPUBS::STEINHART 

>    .............While the memory of Wagner, Nietzsche, and possibly
>    Blavatsky may be tainted with the Nazi's later use of their music or
>    writings, it is certainly through no fault of their own.  

	Just as an historical note, Wagner's descendants were
	ardent supporters of the Nazi movement, and were in fact
	frequent guests and/or hosts of Hitler and other high-ranking
	Nazi personages.  So, while Richard himself had nothing to
	do with it, I can see how Israel might hold a grudge...

	-Art