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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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Total number of notes:41773

1564.0. "NLP anyone ?!?" by PNR3::AVANESSIAN () Tue Oct 15 1991 19:45

    
    
    Can anyone direct me to a note on/about NLP ??? 
    
    If there isn't one and someone knows about this subject, could s/he 
    give a brief or detailed explaination on/about it ?
    
    Thanks.
                                                     
    Albrik
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1564.1But do Frogs want to change?AYOV27::BCOOKthe only dance there isWed Oct 16 1991 08:2313
    I'll leave an overview to those more proficient than I at such things,
    but you might like to read the very readable bboks by John Grinder and
    Richard Bandler especially Frogs into Princes, Patterns of the Hypnotic
    Techniques of Milton H Erickson, They lived Happily Ever After and
    Trance-Formations.
    
    The work came out of careful study of Erickson and I must admit that
    being a 'Carl Rogers Man' myself I find it all a little manipulative
    (especially having just finished reading Against Therapy)
    
    Like the Curate's Egg; there's some good bits, some bad.
                         
    Brian
1564.2QUOKKA::PSYCHOLOGY, Note 98.* also ...DWOVAX::STARKPriorities confuse the mindWed Oct 16 1991 10:0811
    There's also a fairly sizable topic dedicated to NLP in QUOKKA::PSYCHOLOGY,
    note 98.*, which might be a good jumping off place if you want to get
    into the details.  I have an interest in this area also, and tend to 
    collect postings on the subject in that note.   Please don't take
    that to imply that it wouldn't be interesting to discuss here, just
    that there is a fairly sizable existing body of information and commentary 
    to start with in the other conference.
    
    							kind regards,
    
    							todd
1564.3Current trend is more towards Humanistic PsychDWOVAX::STARKPriorities confuse the mindWed Oct 16 1991 10:1817
    re: .1, (Brian)
    
>    The work came out of careful study of Erickson and I must admit that
>    being a 'Carl Rogers Man' myself I find it all a little manipulative
>    (especially having just finished reading Against Therapy)
    
    Brian, please consider suspending judgement until you read some of the 
    more recent works in NLP and related therapies, or come across more current
    practitioners.  The trend now is quite a bit more along
    humanistic lines than Bandler's original work.  I think Bandler's
    eccentricities are largely responsible for that 'manipulation' impression. 
    It's actually a rather neutral set of theories and tools (IMO), without 
    the personality of the therapist to color them.  I like your bit about the 
    Curate's Egg, it's very appropriate.
    
    						kind regards,
    								todd
1564.4Anthony Robbins promotes NLP techniquesMELEE::MGAUTHIERFri May 22 1992 20:2550
    Hi.
    
    I found out about NLP because I bought a set of self-help tapes called
    Personal Power, by Anthony Robbins.  I got convinced by the
    infomercials to try one out.  I liked, and still like, what I got out
    of it.  So I started exploring a very little and found some of the
    books mentioned in the earlier note.  Reading what I have read in those
    books, and comparing it to what I got from Anthony Robbins tapes and
    books, it looks very much like Anthony Robbins is mostly using NLP
    techniques.  
    
    Probably the main thing I got from Robbins was the idea that emotions
    follow motion.  The way you feel, according to him, depends quite a lot
    on how you are using your body right now.  So I find myself smiling on
    purpose a lot, because it gives me a lift.  The other thing the way you
    feel depends on is what you're focusing on/thinking about.  Think about
    how everything in the world is getting worse and worse, and you will
    probably feel worse.  If you think about the last 3 or 4 really good
    things that happened in your life, and focus in on what really felt
    good about them, you will probably feel pretty good right now.
    
    The other thing I got from him was the idea of the ritual.  If you tend
    to feel a certain emotion on a regular basis, be it positive or
    negative, then you are creating that emotion.  You tell yourself the
    same sort of thing about it, and tend to use your body in a certain way
    when it happens, and tend to picture the same sorts of things in your
    mind's eye.  I finally thought to apply this whole idea to the loss of
    a girlfriend.  It ended almost 2 years ago now, but I was still mooning
    about her about 4 months ago.  Then I looked for the pattern, or ritual
    I was running to get myself to have those feelings of loss about her.
    Then the idea is to interrupt it--do something else on
    purpose--anything that takes you out of that immediate ritual.
    
    I think the trick is to recognize that it is a self-imposed pattern
    that you run on yourself, and to take a look at the little pieces of
    it so that you know what they are.  Then you can simply choose not do
    do those little things--think those thoughts, picture those things,
    hold your body, use your breath and voice in a certain way.  It works.
    
    There is MUCH more to it--some of which I could never figure out how to
    use.  I paid $195 for the tapes, and I've found them to be worth it to
    me.  I've given them to people, who've gotten next to nothing out of
    them.  I think I got so much out of them because I SERIOUSLY used and
    evaluated them during the 60 day money back period, and that my friends
    didn't have that period, so they never much used them.  Whatever.
    
    I'm going to go check out the PSYCHOLOGY note on NLP.  Thanks for the
    tip.
    
    Mike
1564.5are you done with those tapes ?PIDA::AVANESSIANThu Jun 25 1992 17:1114
    
    
    re: .-1
    
    Mike,
    
    Will you be interested in renting/leasing or selling to me the PERSONAL
    POWER tapes ??
    
    I'd like to give'em a try but don't want to spend $195 !!
    
    Thanks.
    
    Albrik