Conference hydra::dejavu

    I believe the Green Party will make tremendous political gains in
    Europe this year and will firmly establish themselves in Great Britian.
    
    The big surprise will the establishment of a Green Party in the U.S.
    ... starting in California.
    
    We should begin to see results within the year.
    
    Mary Stanley

    Hi Mary,
    
    I believe the Green Party has already been established in the U.S.
    I remember attending a talk given by Louisa Poole a couple of years ago
    where she mentioned her participation in this activity.  Perhaps Don
    Reinke (who also attended the lecture) remembers the details of what
    she had to say.  I vaguely recall her saying that the government was
    watching her because of it (darn, my hazy memory again)!!
    
    Ro
    

The Green Party is also established in several countries here in Europe.
I don't think they will make much of a chance in the UK, though, because of
the election system there.

But in the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium (I believe) and Austria, they are
in parliament, and have been influencial in several important cases.

Arie    

  
  What has the so-called Green party got to do with DEJAVU ? I'm not sure
  why this was entered in this conference but as it's here ...
  
  >  ... it has to be said that the Green Party in the U.K. is not able to 
  > play the same role as they play in other countries because it's       
  > impossible to get the Green Party candidates elected. 
  
  This is generally true. It would help if there were a few more competent
  *people* in the party and a few less hypocritical politicians. The reason
  why the Greens aren't elected has less to do with PR than with the lack
  of cohesion, confidence and competence of the candidates. [ Perhaps we
  should have a new note on an example of the latter which is somewhat
  closer to this conference - David Icke, son of god II. ]
  
  > Without being elected it's very difficult to persuade people that you
  > can actually do a good job and that there is an important job to be done.
  
  This is generally not true. The people who care, the ones who act, the
  ones who awaken consciousness have not been - and would not *want* to be -
  elected. The true leaders do so by example and by dissemination of
  information - regardless of the quotes in .0, Porritt is an excellent
  example of this type. Greenpeace & FoE membership is doing well at the
  moment because of their proven ability, integrity and dedication. Find
  me one reasonably sized political party in any country that can begin
  to match the above for realistic long distance vision and self*less*
  action and I'll truly be amazed.
  
  IMHO there is infinitely more good to be gained by enlightening the other
  [human] inhabitants of our planet and learning to grow together than by
  pratting around with yet another bunch of self-seeking political maggots.
  It doesn't matter if the enlightenment comes about as a result of global
  literacy, technological developments enabling cheap communication or by
  everyone sitting in a circle going "Ommmm" to raise Gaia consciousness
  AS LONG AS IT HAPPENS. The presence of a group of failed left/right/mor
  politicians who whinge about electoral systems rather than concentrating
  on the _real_ problems only hinders this advance.
  
  [ FWIW the matter of PR has been done to death in various incarnations of
  the Euro Forum and Great Britain conferences. The Green party has been
  mentioned there as well. Other related conferences are CSSEUK::GREEN
  (the concept, not the party) and TOWNS::ENVIRONMENTAL_ISSUES. If people
  wish to continue with this here could it please be moved to the Arena
  topic ... in the same way that a stray spark should be moved into a petrol
  can ... :-) ]
  
  Frank

    
    The connection to DEJAVU is that we've 'been there before' (Atlantis,
    etc.), and that if we don't become more conscious about our selves and
    the planet, then we're going to be there again.
    
    But with the kind of awareness that this topic and others is bringing
    to similarly-minded people, we can raise the level of consciousness and
    positive action such that we can create a far better place than what
    we've currently got and are headed toward.
    
    Cindy

>>                            -< This belongs here. >-

	Sure does... thank you, Cindy, that was nice!

	green   power to you...

	Meredith

  
  Re .5
  
  > The purpose of this reply and the basenote is to show that it may take
  > a lifetime and thousands of people to accomplish even the smallest
  > changes in a global scale.
  
  > The planet can't wait. An ocean is made of tiny drops of sea water.
  
  > The idea of the topic is not to discuss the green party in particular but
  > all groups available which are acting.
  
  OK, that's great. Sorry, I misinterpreted the base note.
  
  Frank

    Sounds like a good idea, Marcos.
    
    Actually,... I'm not concerned with how we save the Earth... as long as 
    we do it.
    
    Either the mainstream political parties become champions of the
    environment, or some new party (like the Greens) will do it for them
    and they may find themselves obsolete.
    
    This is the time of the Earth.  Go with the flow or get swept away.
    
    mary

>    This is the time of the Earth.  Go with the flow or get swept away.
    
    	Not mutually exclusive occurrances.
    								todd

    :-)
    
    Its like being carried by a flash flood, todd.  
    
    One can thrash around and fight the current, getting banged about by 
    refuse  ... or one can determine the direction of the current and ride 
    it like a wave..navigating as best one can.  
    
    Either way.. we end up downstream... it's the condition we find ourselves 
    in when it's over that makes the difference.
    
    The Earth is in trouble and we are going to save her.  There may be
    difficulties along the way.. but we will deal with them as they come up
    as best we can.  
    
    One way or another though... twenty years from now ... we will find 
    ourselves downstream... with the Earth in recovery mode... and the
    societies of Earth adapting to the new, non-destructive ways of doing
    and being.
    
    This planet is our home and we cannot survive without her.... and at
    this point, she can not survive without us... without our help.  Everything
    else takes a lower priority.
    
    So grab a raft, ole buddy... we're in for a heck of a ride.
    
    mary