Conference hydra::dejavu

    Poul,
    
        I'm not exactly one with insight, but I can offer this; Shirley
    MacClaine (sp?) devotes a sizeable portion of one of her books to her
    meeting with her higher self and along with that a lot of interesting
    thoughts.  It seems like the book is "Dancing in The Light"...maybe
    someone else can chime in if they remember the title.  Good Luck on
    your quest.
         My memeory *sucks*, but there is quote that says something to the
    effect of, "When one is ready for a teacher, look and they will be
    there".  Possibly within?  C-ya!
    
                                                         Capt. Scott

    If I'm not mistaken, the quote you're looking for is, "When the student
    is ready, the teacher will be found."
    
    Yes, I have been in touch with my higher self, and in fact have had
    some rather amazing things happen... not the least of which is the
    "house" I built.
    
    I'd be quite interested in discussing this off-line and look forward to
    an enlightening conversation.
    
    Keep shining,
    S
    

    re: .0
    
         The "Higher Self" is also acknowledgeable as a person's
    "Higher Consciousness."  There are many concepts around this
    idea.  Personally, I ascribe to Lazaris' view (what else do
    you expect me to say?  ;-)  ) and that view is shared in 
    a book he wrote called "A Spiritual Journey."
         There is, in this view, not *really* an anthropomorphised
    Higher Self...but one is available for purposes of focusing
    on and for establishing unity with.  Anyway, Lazaris is far
    more profound about it than I can be...and has taught Shirley
    lots of what she talks about (sometimes well and sometimes not
    so well...)  So, if you want more info--
         Personally, my Higher Self is now an integrated and extremely
    important part of my conscious reality...
    
    Frederick
    

    
    > In the books by Chris Griscom and Shakti Gawain, there are direct
    > instructions on how to be able to meet your higher self. And it works!
    
    Sounds interesting Poul, But which books are they? can I get them
    from a good bookshop in the UK?
    
    > Are there somebody with _insight_ that I can discuss it with offline?  
     
    By insight, I guess you mean...somebody who's had a similar experience?
    
    Dave.  

    re: .3 (myself)
    
          Oops!  I don't know where I was when I entered that, but
    I made a mistake in the title of Lazaris' book...it is called
    "The Sacred Journey: You and Your Higher Self"  It includes 
    some meditation processes one can do to help make the connection
    within.  These meditations are also available on tape in a 
    guided (by Lazaris) form.
    
    
    Frederick
    

    
    Lazaris's tapes and Shirley MacLaine's books speak of a Higher Self
    personifide (takes the shape of a male, female or androgynous being).
    I do have the tapes that Frederick mentioned, and I have tried them,
    however for me that medium did not feel right for me to contact my HS. 
    This is not, of course, to say that they are wrong or ineffective by
    any means - it's just that my path is slightly different - that being 
    one of yoga.  It works for me.  
    
    I have a very highly developed intuitive sense and from the 'messages'
    I receive (things 'popping' into my head), it feels to me like I do
    not, or perhaps will never, experience my Higher Self as a personifide
    entity.  And that's OK.
    
    Cindy

    re: .7, Cindy,
    	Psychologically, there seems to be at least two distinct trends 
    regarding the development of powers of higher guidance.  
    
    One fosters the compartmentalization of parts of the psyche, one of 
    which could be considered from some perspective the higher self.  
    Along this line, parts are personified and labelled and in so doing,
    given autonomous characteristics of their own.   The Holy Guardian
    of some magical systems is an example of this.
    
    The other fosters the integration of parts, and the view of the
    psyche as an integrated whole.  This latter trend often begins
    with the former one, identification of spearate sub-personalities, and 
    then integrates the parts once they are identified.  Gestalt therapy is 
    an example of this latter type.
    
    Of course, that's just one way of looking at it, one that makes sense
    to me right now.
    
    	Todd	

    Todd .8,
    
    > The other fosters the integration of parts, and the view of the
    psyche as an integrated whole.  This latter trend often begins with the
    former one, identification of seperate sub-personalities, and then
    integrates the parts once they are identified.  Gestalt therapy is an
    example of this latter type. <
    
    Psychosynthesis, developed by the Italian psychiatrist Roberto 
    Assagioli, (sp?) is another example of this.  The approach here is
    based on "unifying one's personality expression with a deeper source of
    purpose in and direction to life, the transpersonal Self, which is seen
    as the integrating principle of the personality and as a source of
    wisdom, inspiration, unconditional love, and the will to meaning and
    service.
    
    The term 'psychosynthesis' is also applied to the process of
    personality integration occuring within this framework, either through
    the individual's own efforts or with the assistance of a
    psychosynthesis practitioner."
    
    Karen

    
    Karen and Todd,
    
    Sounds like something else I've read called soul-infusion, whereby the
    personality eventually becomes a complete reflection of the soul, as is
    the case with realized Masters (of which Christ was one).
    
    In yogic terms, the final stage of God-realization is that this person
    sees God's true face and is no longer possible for this person to be
    swayed by the delusions and illusions of the physical/maya plane.  
    
    Cindy

    in regards to .7 (Condy-roo)
    
          Hmmm, well, yes, but...
    
          While on one hand I can say "yes, that's okay" (taking a 
    Buddhist view, perhaps) I can also say, "no, not quite" (taking
    an active role in my physical reality by being responsible to
    it.)  
          Originally with Lazaris (up until about 5 years ago or so)
    whenever he had us using the Higher Self meditationally, it would
    consist of a huge, (infinite) dark space, in which we would stand
    in awe (for me it was somewhat akin to staring at the stars on 
    a moonless night, except with no earth to stand on...) and just
    "be."  It was later on that the personification was presented to
    us.  There were (good) reasons for this sequence of presentation,
    which I will forego here.  
          Understand, however, that it is often difficult to distinguish
    from among the inner voices...is it a counselor, an unevolved
    entity, the personified anima or animus, someone from your past(s),
    your higher self, or, most dangerous of all--from your own
    negative ego (doing a mimicry?)  To simply allow "voices" as you
    suggested, may or may not work...and this process makes it very
    difficult to distinguish from among the myriad of potentials...
    including gestalts, thinking, etc.  *I* would never feel comfortable
    doing as you suggested, for that is how my whole life has/had been
    up until the new method(s) of working introduced to me by Lazaris.
         Lazaris has suggested that often people willnot personify
    their own Higher Self for several reasons, including the belief
    that they "cannot" and also because they allow interference from
    their own negative egos.  There are a few other reasons, too (probably
    around the understanding that blockages, payoffs, etc. are causing
    heavy interference in the contact.)  
         But even with the understanding that the Higher Self is far
    more than a personified person (and is not going to appear as other
    than human and will not be androgynous) it *will* make itself 
    presentable to you as a person, if you are willing to allow this
    form.  This form has huge potential benefits over the forms you 
    have suggested.  It makes communication far more reliable and 
    easier, for one (I mean, would you really want to talk to a 
    burning bush in a meditation?  Why?  Do you believe burning bushes
    talk?  e.g.)  It makes it easier to establish a rapport, it facilitates
    a commardarie, promotes friendship and therefore makes it more
    likely to work towards a constant, harmonious dialog and living,
    breathing relationship with and to.  
         In short, Cindy, do as you will (Of course you are entitled
    and you will anyway) but perhaps, in this case, you are circumventing
    a more direct, eventually clearer path.  At least, this is what
    I see.
    
    Frederick
    

            
    Re.11
    
    Freddie,
    
    My HS told me that you would enter, almost word for word, the note in
    .11.  (;^)
    
    On this very same topic in fact, I recently asked a good friend of 
    mine who has an even more highly sense of intuition than mine (someone 
    you've met) if his HS has ever personified, and he said 'no'.  He and 
    I have had further conversations on this, and the way he perceives things 
    is almost identical to the way I've been perceiving them throughout my
    life this time around.
    
    Your comments are noted.  I'm just presenting a different perspective
    for those here who may have, in fact, had HS contact, but not in a
    personified form.  While Lazaris might state that the personified form
    is somehow superior to the opposite, and ultimately perhaps this is
    true - my way works for me at this time, as it has worked for my
    friend throughout his 47 years this time around.
    
    Condy

    re: .10, Cindy,
    	That's similar to my current belief as well, about aligning
    the soul and the personality.  I can't define what I feel is the
    soul in more specific Psycho-mumble terms without using tired phrases like
    intuition and wisdom, so I like your phrasing of it, and the Higher Self
    notion.   It's like the synergy concept, the result of the integration
    being greater than the sum of the parts, yet it is felt as something
    entirely different, subjectively, from any of the parts that seem
    to comprise it.   I guess reconciling the subjective and objective
    perspective of human higher wisdom may be a futile task ?  No matter
    how I look at it, there always seems to be a fundamental creative energy 
    that comes from just being a living organism and a divine creation.
    
    	toddy