Conference hydra::dejavu

    Did you ask her what the letters were?  Did they spell out any
    particular words?
    
    In my opinion, her experience was real and shouldn't be denied.
    
    Mary 

    
    
    RE:.1
    
    
    		Yes I did ask her what the letters were, and she replied
    	"Just letters, don't you see them?" I assume she meant ABC's ect...
    
    		She hasn't had an episode since then, except for waking up
    	at 2:00am or so and wanting to crall in bed with my wife and
    	myself. I always ask her if she has had another visit by her
    	friends, and her reply is usally: "Nope, They don't want to play
    	with me anymore." She's not upset with this fact, just excepts it.
    
    
    				Mike

    I wonder what word the letters spelled out for her.

    
    
    	Well I don't think it spelled anything....she was just sitting
    sifting through the carpet fibers like she was playing in sand looking
    for the letters. 
    	
    	I did end up taking her to the Doctor for a follow up examination
    on an ear infection she had and he seem to think it may have been
    caused by the strong medication she was on because of the infection.
    Another interesting angle I suppose. She may have been Hulucinating
    (sp?) or in a fog like state the night she was playing.
    
    
    
    				Mike

Another possibility is that the medication took down some barriers and made it
easier for her "friends" to communicate with her.  Most people interpret such
cases as hallucination, but is it really?

Beth

    An interesting story of how reality is perceived. Everyone's reality
    is different from each other's. There seems to be a fine line
    distinguishing the absolute reality with what are to be perceived
    as hallucinations.
    
    I feel our children come into this world at a higher vibration than
    what we have. If that is true, might it be possible for our children
    to experience happenings outside our perceptions of reality? We 
    would tend just to classify them as hallucinations, children's
    imaginations, etc. 
    
    Now, I'm not proposing that this girl had indeed a visitor that was
    real to us. Obviously, however, she did have a visitor that was real
    to her, in her reality. All I'm suggesting is that we keep our
    mind and options open. For we will not know, for certain. The denials
    we give our children will be the denials they give us as time passes.
    
    Talk to her.
    
    Craig

    
    re:6
    
    I still talk to her about the episode. She has told me that her two
    freinds no longer come and play with her, that they have travled on
    to someplace else and are not allowed to come back. I found this
    abit strange, but she seemed to know what she was talking about.
    
    I know on the night of the encounter, niether my wife or myself ever
    denied the exsistance of her freinds to her, but I did mention the fact
    that I did not see anything or anyone and this disturbed her to the
    point of tears which in turn disturbed both my wife an myself.
    
    I am a skeptic, never experiencing such things, but my wife is not
    having an encounter or two of her own in the same house. 
    Since that night no one in the house has had another so I guess I'll
    have to wait and see.
    
    
    Mike

    
    Hi Mike,
    
    The thought came to mind to say to her that just because you and your
    wife can't see it, doesn't mean that it didn't exist/wasn't there.
    
    I can hear sonic alarm systems in stores and banks while others around
    me give me strange looks when I cover my ears.
    
    Cindy

    Here's another one for you all to think about.  
    
    The other night - morning! - about 2:00a.m. I was awakened by Emily (my
    6-year old) standing in my bedroom screaming that there was a burglar
    in the house who was pulling her hair!  Apparently the dream was so
    vivid that she was sure it was real!  I was a little fuzzy too because
    we both lay awake for quite awhile listening for the burglar.  :-)
    
    The next day I asked her if she remembered anything else about her
    burglar.  (She still insisted it was real!)  Anyway - she said she
    remembered that the burglar came in the window at the head of her bed
    and was carrying a basket of poisoned potato chips.  Meanwhile, at the
    foot of the bed was a little girl (about 4 years old) and a monkey. 
    The monkey would pull the little girl's hair, giggle to itself and hug
    itself and then repeat this over and over.  :-)  Bu the time Emily
    got to the "basket of pooisoned chips" part she began seeing how silly
    this was and realized it must have been a dream.
    
    My question is - could the monkey (she said it looked more like a
    cartoon character than a real monkey) have been a little mischievious
    spirit friend?  The little girl didn't seem upset at all about her hair
    being pulled and from the description it sounded to me like they were
    playing a sort of game.
    
    Any comments?
    
    Nanci  

    
    
    	Cindy,
    
    		The night of the "Visit" while trying to settle her,
    	I did mention the fact that just because we did not see them 
    	does not mean that they were not there. She did take some comfort
    	in that. I have always tried to encourage her imagination in 
    	all aspects of play, life ect... I think if I would of told her that
    	there was no such thing as her (ghost) playmates she may have
    	really been upset.
    
    
    	Mike

    
    
    	re:9
    
    		Could it have been a movie or cartoon she previously
    watched on TV?  Like maybe Wizard of OZ ect... I know my little girl
    would get some crazy dreams like that when she would watch a strange
    movie on TV, and the results would be about the same, wake up screaming
    and run in to our room with a story of someone else in her room trying
    to take her away or picking on her ect... And of course I would have to
    make my rounds to secure her room and closets from any evil vilian. ;-)
    
    Mike

    'Tis a fine line between the darkness and the dawn. (or so the song
    goes.) And the line is movable to a degree, yes, at some point, it is
    no longer night, but dawn. More likely, there is no definite dividing
    point and the one flows into the other. Us humans like to draw lines,
    barriers, define things and have labels to cope with whatever is
    happening within and without. 

    What am I raving about ? I have long since been fascinated in the
    visions and dreams experienced by children. Some of it with obvious
    roots, some of it contains knowledge not normally acquired by children.
    It appears to flow out of a particular innocence which they tend to
    lose once indoctrinated in our normal forms of learning. Many of the
    wise men of old encouraged us to have a child-like faith. I wonder why?

    For the logical engineering types amongst us ( the ones who like to
    pull things apart to see how they work), it is always refreshing to
    find a person who has retained some of these qualities as an adult. It
    appears to lead to intuitive capabilities, and many other qualities
    which we tend to relegate to the realms of mystique or fantasy. More
    prevalent in the womenfolk than in men on average.

    e.g Why does my lady speak fluent French in a sleep when she can hardly
    manage to string two French words together normally?

    And why did she wake up the other morning, rather agitated and tell me
    that the wise person she speaks to in her dreams told her to transfer
    some money to pay some bills back home in Australia. She had no prior
    knowledge that Britain would enter the Exchange Rate Mechanism and the
    English Pound would surge to a high.

    	Me: 	    Whose this bloke you speak to in your dreams ?

    The Capricorn:  Dunno ! I'm not even sure if it's a man. All I know is
    		    that the person is very wise and kind.

    	Me: 	    Can you talk to him whenever you feel like it ?

    The Capricorn:  Don't really know, but when I really need him, he
    		    normally turns up. 

    	Me: (holding up a the picture of the eye painted inside a
    triangle.) Isn't this an interesting picture ?

    The Capricorn:  Yes, I know that picture, I've seen it in my dreams.
                    The person I talk to, that's his symbol. Before we
    		    go home, we must go and see the great pyramids in
                    Egypt. They are also symbols.

    Me:		Do you ever read my "mystical books" ?

    The Lady:	No, I never read your dumb books. You must read those books
    		because you are too logical and I already know these things.

    Me:	        Who told you ?

    The Lady:   There are some things that a woman just knows. Don't ask so
    		many questions. Drink your coffee.  

    Me:         (ever fascinated, drinks his coffee.)

    	-Brian

    RE:.11
    
    I know where the burglar part came from because a few days earlier I
    had (stupidly) mentioned to her that our house had been burglarized
    several years before.  I recognized her fear in this part of the dream. 
    The other part, the monkey and the little girl, was "not scary", just
    "sorta funny".  
    
    I was really more interested in the significance of the monkey and the
    little girl at the end of the bed.  Since the burglary incident
    happened a few years ago I thought that maybe the little girl was Emily
    as she saw herself a few years ago.  But who was the monkey? or maybe
    *what* was the monkey?  It seemed, from the way she described the
    dream,that the monkey was teasing the little girl.  It didn't hurt when 
    the girl's hair was pulled, or so I was told.  :-)
    
    
    Thanks for your input -
    
    Nanci
    

    
    
    re:13
    
    		I suppose she is too young to know the true meaning
    		of having a monkey on your back. ;-)
    
    
    		Mike

    Mike - 
    
    Yes, I think she's too young for that in terms of _this_ lifetime.  As
    far as others go, I couldn't say.  She seems like a pretty old soul to
    me.  ;-)
    
    Nanci