Conference hydra::dejavu

    Part 1:
    
    I'd say that just hearing what a psychic says is sometimes enough
    to change the person's mind, and thus the outcome of the struggle.
    
    Of course, it may be the opposite of what was predicted.
    
    Part 2:
    
    Synchronicity.....
    
    guy

    I agree with Guy.  The future is always mutable and anything, including
    a reading, could influence that future.
    
    Nanci

    I'm not sure I'm sure what .1 and .2 are saying.  As the struggle is
    not with the man and with woman, she isn't being influenced by the
    reading.  I guess what I'm asking is how does a reader go past the
    struggle and say "yes, this is what I see happening but when there is
    a struggle (free will?) she cant be sure.  Maybe one of you
    who "reads" can answer this. Maybe a general overview would help
    me understand.  Whats the point of a reading when everything can
    change when you walk out the door. Is it just potential?
    
    Curious and now confused 
    

    
    re: .3
    
    I see what you mean, since the man had the reading and not the woman,
    but if these two are in a relationship, I take it they are having some
    sort of contact, no?
    
    How the man chooses to interact with the woman (based on what he was
    told) could have an affect on her decision.  Maybe he will try to help
    her resolve her struggle, she will resent it want out.  Or maybe he
    will try to use her indecision to his advantage and try to sway her 
    one way or the other.  Who knows?
    
    I'd say that a reading IS potential, and not set in molybdenum(sp?).
    
    I've certainly never had a reading that didn't end up being trashed 
    in one way or another.  Some of them did open my eyes to some valuable
    insights (though there was as much, if not more, useless stuff).
    
    guy

    re: .3
    
         What's the point of a reading?  The point is that that is
    where your energies are aligned at the time of the reading.  If you
    like the alignment, you do what you want to keep it in place.
    If you don't like it, you do whatever it takes to change it. 
         One of the problems we all seem to have (until we think about
    it for a while) is that we all want to believe that someone/something
    knows everything and by virtue of that probably even sets things
    up for us.  ("It's God's will.")  Wrong.  As has been mentioned in
    here in DEJAVU before, what's the point if there is such a thing as
    predestination?  I mean, really, if everything is already laid out
    end to end, in concrete as it were, then why bother?  No matter what
    you do it'll always be right or it will always be wrong.  No matter
    what you have no power, no control, no influence and, of course,
    zero responsibility.  It's all a game and guess what, you lose!
        Time is non-existant beyond the physical plane.  All eternity
    does exist.  But within all possibility exists a tiny little speck
    of a lifetime.  A lifetime that can draw to it from the vastness of
    eternity.  A lifetime that can and does control all around it.  A
    lifetime that makes order out of the chaos.  You are scriptwriter,
    director, and featured star.  Others can look at your "play" and
    tell you what you've written, then it's up to you to decide whether
    to keep it or alter it.
         It isn't really such a big mystery.  It's more like a big
    decision.
    
    
    Frederick
    

RE .3 ("Curious")

It's been explained to me that the future, in some cases is seen as a "fork
in the road". The reader can see the two (or even more...) "directions"; it
can even see what circumstances influence the future choice, but they cannot
"look beyond" because of a "fog" further on.

I would say most readers influence the future choice because of the
credibility they build up by telling the facts of the circumstances, and
then telling the most probable direction. The reader you mentioned in .0
appears to me as a very "honest" one.... ;-)

Arie

    re: -1 (Arie)
    
    That was my point exactly.  The future is always mutable.  There may be
    any number of possible futures but what the reader usually picks up on
    is the most likely of those probably futures.  That's why I don't
    usually read "futures" per se.  I read where the person is right now,
    where they are likely to go if they continue on the same course and
    what tools they carry with them to use along the way as well as
    possible stumbling blocks.
    
    Nanci

    
    
    I agree with the last few.  A person can be gifted to read the
    "energies" of another to see past and present, and then is able
    to see the "possible" futures that can be created.  The choice
    of just what that future is, is always left to the individual.
    
    Carole

    From time to time I visit my friend Donna Caramello for a reading.
    Each time, she says the same thing - "From where you are now, we're
    looking at tendencies, probabilities, likelihoods. If you don't like
    it, change it."
    
    I've often considered her ability to be akin to that of, say, someone
    who can perform incredibly complex mathematic calculations mentally, in
    seconds. Rather, in seconds her mind defines the range of probabilities
    radiating out from a point in time/space, determines the highest
    probability path, and defines that one as the likelihood, for that
    time. It's as Frederick says, but less clearly, perhaps.
    
    What I'm at a loss to figure out is how she's able to tune into
    specifics of my current reality at the same time, without my giving her
    any overt verbal clues...
    
    gloria  

    Now that my curiousity is peaked, I have another question.  Whats
    the difference (if any) in a reader that is talking to "guides/spirits"
    and one who is going by their own psychic ability.  Is one known
    to be more accurate then the other. In my reading, she would ask 
    questions of "them" as she put it and then extrapalate from what
    they told her.  She also used I feels, like she was using her own
    ability.  Any claifications.                                

    .10,
    
    The difference is this.  When a reader makes a direct link to the
    sitter and acquires information that way the reader is using their own 
    "psychic" abilities:
    
    Reader <-----------------> Sitter
    
    When the reader goes to a guide or someone else in spirit, the one in
    spirit is the one who establishes a psychic link with the sitter, if
    you will, and the reader then acts as a medium (or channeler if you
    prefer) and directs his/her consciousness to the person in spirit for 
    the information:
    
    
    		  Spirit person
    		    /       \
    		   /         \
    	          /           \
                 /             \
     		/               \
    	   Medium/Channel	Sitter
    
    Ocassionally during this type of sitting, the medium also links
    directly with the sitter and receives information psychically.  It is
    not unusually for the medium to go back and forth between both ways of
    receiving information.  But a knowledgeable medium and one who works
    with integrity, will be aware when they are making this shift, and imo, 
    will inform the sitter.
    
    I hope this is helpful.
    
    Karen          

    re: .10
    
         That's a good question with possibly complex answers...
    but if I can I will answer from where I presently stand.  Which
    is to say that you are coming from within no matter what...but
    what is within?  It depends...it depends on the level you are accessing.
         One can access their own intelligence, e.g. strictly from 
    a conscious mind (and in saying it was from some other place would
    therefore clearly be lying.)  Or, one could access their sub-conscious
    mind, which is reliant on information from this lifetime (also
    intelligence) or from our own personal heritage or ancestry (this
    is *NOT* from all those who are the same race...this is from the
    heritage of the lifetimes that relate to this one...that is, this
    may be the first lifetime as a Chinese and that person's heritage
    may very well be Atlantean or African or European...heritage is
    NOT limited to whatever this lifetime is.)  Now, if from heritage
    and sub-conscious, the information can come from those individuals
    within that heritage whom you have access to...teachers, shamans,
    etc.  If from the unconscious mind, however, the information if
    virtually endless in possibility.  The information could be provided
    from masses of sources, including archetypal energies, beings from
    other realities, etc.  If the information somehow comes from other
    realities, then it has a different perspective than information
    coming from within this reality.
        Which is better and why?  Astral level (the realm of probability)
    energies can vary in "wisdom."  Some are lousy and some are very
    good.   Causal level (realm of all possibilities) energies are far
    more valuable, mental level (all that is impossible) energies are
    not likely to be grokked.  That is, their awareness is more than we
    can handle, so information may be dependent on your willingness to
    absorb?  Information from beyond those levels is unlikely...the only
    one I will vouch for is Lazaris.
         (Is Lazaris psychic?  The most!  Just yesterday I became aware
    of a couple of people who approached him during what is called "the
    crystal ceremony" and he addressed them by name before they even
    touched or greeted him with their own name...try this sometime with
    *your* eyes shut and see how far you get in a room of 400 people...
    :-) ) 
         Anyway, I'm not sure how accurate what I'm saying is...what I
    can say, however, is that there are many possible sources within.
    WHich is better seems to me to depend on the level of communication
    and trust which has been established within there.  As for dealing
    with someone else's "insights" (not from you but from them) I 
    believe it is a matter of just as much if not more, trust.
    
    Frederick
    

    I am familiar with her shop and have seen her on numerous TV programs
    when I lived in Mass.  Did you know of anyone that had seen her and
    was pleased with her reading?  $75 for 1/2 hour is pretty steep.  The
    woman I went to is by donation only.  When she read you did you tell
    her she was off base?  Sometimes I have noticed that they are very
    general with what they tell you and you could apply it to almost
    anything ... or was she just completly wrong.  
         

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    I've set .13 hidden.  It may violate policy about
    commenting on unsatisfactory business service.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr. 
    
                 

    After reading through some of the notes in this conference I thought
    this may be the best topic to reply to....
    
    I have regular 'readings' usually while attending a 'psychic fair',
    when seeing different people using a variety of methods you realise
    that some of them are excellent while others very poor.
    
    My best readings have come from a lady who was psychic and who was very
    talented in tarot cards and rune readings. Her past, present and future
    predictions were unbelievably accurate.
    
    Another lady I saw had contact with a spirit who would answer questions
    she put forward for you, her answers came in the form of writing
    backwards or drawing diagrams.  Again this was very accurate, plus it
    was possible to retain the writing and read it for yourself while looking
    in a mirror.
    
    But I have also had bad readers, who were obviously just trying to make
    money.
    
    I agree with what was said before, about readings for the future,
    allowing the individual to change what has been told if they so wish.
    
    By the way, my name's Angela, working in Reading England.  I beleive in
    'fortune tellers' and am myself 'psychic' to a degree.  I can predict
    through dreams various actions that will take place in the near future,
    and also have an interest in tarot cards, palmistry and healing by
    means of gem stones.
    
    Ang.