Conference hydra::dejavu

    
    I dont have an answer to your reoccuring dream, but I can tell you
    that I have the same dreams only I get shot in the head usually
    from the back and most of the time I know right before it happens 
    that I am going to be shot. Sometimes I feel it and sometimes I
    dont. As of lately, I can make My self wake up right after it
    happens so that I dont continue my fate in the dream.
    The wierdest thing of all about my dreams, is that accquaintances
    of mine have also had dreams of me being shot.
    gee, I hope this is'nt an omen!
    

    
    My sister had a dream that I went off a bridge....the next night I had
    a very bad auto accident where my car broke a guard rail on an
    overpass.  Had I been going any faster I would have gone over.
    My sister and I were not living in the same house at the time and I 
    didn't find out about her dream till a few days after the accident.
    
    My sister and I have a pretty psychic line of communication between us
    ie: I can always get her to call me if I don't want to pay for the pone
    call :)
    
    MaryAnne

    I have never dreamed of getting shot but sometimes I dream that
    some kind of snake is biting my foot. This happens alot. Or oncew
    I dreamed that a pack of dogs were chasing me and one of them bit
    my foot. But I never feel pain in any of these dreams.z

    
    Physical pain ( or sensation) in the dream state, is often
    attributable to actual physical stimulii. For example, you accidentally
    kick the covers off, causing a decrease in body temperature, which
    in the dream state causes you to dream you are suddenly in a cold
    windy place. A recurring dream that you have been shot in the back,
    may be caused by an unevenly worn mattress.
    
    When relaxation tanks were popular several years ago, it was
    demonstrated that when the body is at rest, the mind in the abscence
    of real stimulii, will create hallucinations, akin to the dream state.
    
    						Jim

    Hi Sandy, 

     I am by no means a dream expert but I have found that some dreams
     are manufactured due to some set of circumstances or experience
     in our past or present lives, which we have not quite come to
     terms with. It is not neccessarily a premonition of some
     impending event. Your dream life can be used as a tool to locate
     problem areas in your psyche which need some attention.

     Before you become too concerned about someone following you around
     with a gun you should first try to determine if your dream life
     is sending you a message about some unresolved matter of
     conscience or experience. 

     There is much symbolism tied up in dreams, some of them common to
     groups of people, but some symbols are highly personal and must
     be viewed within the context of the individual. ie Fire to me,
     may convey a sense of warmth and power, but to someone else, an
     element of fear might be conveyed, due to experience. 

     -.0 Some things for you to think about as only you can tell. In
     your case it appears to be quite common symbolism;

     1. When the pastor walks past you with tears in his eyes, do you
     feel as if you have let him or the congregation or yourself down
     in any way due to you no longer attending church ? What were you
     feeling when he walked past you ?

     2. Being shot in the back can often convey a feeling that things
     are a little beyond your control? A feeling of defenselessness
     within some context maybe ? Running away from some circumstance,
     guilt or being found out ? That you are running away and you
     wait for the bullit to hit ? Think about it for a while...

     As -.3 says, actual physical pain can intrude and be transformed
     into a dream.

     -	Brian
    

    
    Sandy,
    
       If you were at one time: I think that you should rededicate your 
    life to God, through Christ Jesus. If you noticed, your dream started
    out with the Pastor of a church (Which could be a symbol of God
    himself); he had tears in his eyes (Which represents the hurt and pain
    which he has, because of the life that you could be leading); and he 
    walked pass you because there's nothing he can do to help you, without
    YOUR submissive will.  The "maroon", (crimson) van you saw, could
    represent the sin that's in your life; and the evil man, that was in
    the van represented satan. Last, but not least: You being shot in the
    back represents you death (Could be spiritually!). For the WAGES of SIN
    is DEATH, but the GIFT of GOD is ETERNAL LIFE!  This is the
    interpretation that *I* recieved; it's up to you to accept it or not. 
    My advice to you, would be to return to Almighty God, and trust HIM. If
    you were never committed to him, you could make a start RIGHT NOW. Put
    a smile on God's face! TRUST HIM!
    
    LORENZO
    

My feeling is, God is already smiling :), at everyone, at all times, 
without condition.  All the 'wrong' or 'right' is head-stuff that keeps
me from catching a glimpse of that smile.

    Re.6
    
    Welcome back, Lorenzo, O resident Christian noter!
    
    Hope all is well with you.
    
    Cindy

    
         Thankyou all on your replies; I did feel that my dreams were
    more symbolic of various things going on in my life, than as life
    threatening.
         I particularly appreciate the insight of notes 4,5,6 & 7, I will
    reflect on your advise and wisdom.
         I do feel the "The Lord" is always with me, I always have, thru
    my "ups & downs" in life; and not to put down any leader of any church,
    as they are doing their best in the lord's service,but I feel really
    bad when one church claims their victory over another, in other words
    "their church" is "the" church, and that the poor people attending are
    "not saved"; that bothers me.  Maybe some of this conflict is what is 
    represented in my dreams as well, and maybe not.
         
         Peace and Love to All,
        
                    Sandy
    

    Re:8
    
      Hi Cindy,
    
          All's well with me!  And you?
    
    Lorenzo
    

    
    All's well, Lorenzo, thanks!
    
    Cindy
    
    PS. Now back to our regularly scheduled note topic...(;^)

Shooting Dreams..

Strange ths is mentioned.

My wife and I at different times have both had similar dreams like this.

My version...

All I can recall, (Not recalling how I (we) got to this place..

I'm standing in a room, My son, daughter and wife are there, someone
else is there, but out of my field of view.. Deb yells something
I can't understand, but then I see my son and daughter
turn and start to run,,, just then, shots ring out,

I see (this is terrible but..)  the shots hitting my duaghter, my
son, I turn and see them hit my my wife, then I feel my body being hit...  
Never see the one doing the shooting,,,

When I dream I'm being hit, it's almost as if there's pain, but pain to 
intense for my mind to accept, and react to..  As I fall, and things get
dark, I wake up...  (And thank GOD! it was just another dream..)

Another one: I'm alone, running down a dark street, pavement is wet,
what ever lights are around, reflect off the street... It's foggy,
I get shot in the chest...  Again, wake up before what ever the  outcome
is, happens.


My wife's are similar, to my first,  but I can't account for them 
as I have mine.



Personally I chaulk it up to the amount of violence we see, and read about
every day, both fact and fiction.

    re: .0
     
    Hi Sandy,
    
    Please excuse this late reply - I've been on vacation.
    
    I think that this dream *could* have been dreamed by someone 
    whose father had left her.  But did you ever have such an
    experience?  (If not, my interpretation would probably be 
    way out in left field.)  
    
    The dream seems to hold together well until you get to the
    point where you ask questions and the person gets angry.  More
    specific information would be helplful here.  
    
    I'll be glad to enter an interpretation if you think it would
    be relevant.  
    
    Virginia
    

    Hi Virginia,
         
    Thankyou for your reply; you are very close, yes I did have an
    
    experience very close to that which you decribed only more indebt;
    
    if you need more information, can you contact me offline; Yes I
    
    would like an interpretation.
    
    As far as the part in the dream where I ask questions and the person
    
    gets angry; all I can think of is my job consciously; ( I do like my
    
    job)but we have a script to go by and sometimes the customer gets angry
    
    and does not want to answer questions.
    
    Also I cannot remember exactly if the dream was all in *one* dream or
    
    a *start and stop* dream, it was all in the same night.
    
    Another dream that I had a few months ago, I was in a public place
    
    such as a restaurant with other people around, and a woman (I don"T
    
    know who she was unless it was *me*) was choking on something, no one
    
    helped her in spite of my pleas that someone help her, I got up and 
    
    tried to help her, I don't remember how, but she just died- gasping
    
    for breath- this seems depressing; but I was at the time worried about
    
    *smoking*; since that dream I have quit smoking; because to me thats
    
    what the dream meant, because some mornings I woke up wheezing; I
    
    had the dream last May I think and I have not smoked since June.
    
                       Peace,
      
                          Sandy
    
    p.s. can be reached at above node.
    

    Sandy,
    
    Thanks for the information in .14. The part about the script
    was especially helpful.  I think I'll try out the following 
    interpretation of your dream from .0, without asking any off-
    line questions:
    
    There seem to be two Pastors here.  One is your father (Pa) or
    a father figure, and the other is yourself (the past Her.)  Your
    description of the relationship between the two of you is very
    clear - "...the Pastor walked by me."  To "walk" is to leave.
    Your father is leaving you.  He's saying good-bye to you (by me.)
    You hope for his approval and acceptance (buy me); and you may 
    feel responsible for his leaving - perhaps he's left by means of
    or because of you.  When you see tears in the Pastor's eyes, you
    envision him as caring about you.  Tearing also reinforces the
    idea of a separation of two closely related people, because it's
    so similar to the word "tearing," as in tearing apart.  The Church
    doesn't seem to play much of a role here.  It may just be an appro-
    priate setting for a Pastor, or it may point to his relationship
    to an institution, such as marriage.  
    
    The man in the parking lot (pa king) is another, later version of
    the Pastor.  This man has really left you.  He even drives a moving
    van instead of a car or a truck.  There are no tears now.  He's
    left you high and dry.  He might as well be marooned on a desert
    island.  He's marooned you - and perhaps your mother (ma), too -
    he's left you with no one.  He's halted temporarily, but will soon
    be leaving again.  How can you get him to stay?  You engage him.
    You ask him the same questions you would ask any potential buyer 
    (byer.)  But it turns out that you don't really have any say in 
    the matter - you didn't write this script; he did.  And he doesn't
    like to be questioned.
    
    Now he's angry and so are you.  You turn your back on him and run
    away.  You do to him just what he's done to you.  He's not used to
    being overpowered.  It's killing him!  He becomes so angry he shoots
    you.  But now the situation is reversed.  You're calling the shots
    here; he isn't.  Maybe, in the future, you won't even bother to bring
    him back.  
    
    Virginia
    

    Something that is very helpful to me in understanding my dreams
    is to become all aspects of the dream - and see how each feels and
    also free-associate words (write them down) as I become each aspect.
    
    Quite often, more than one person of your dream is a dream figure
    or another part of you.  As you play each part (the preacher, the
    church, even the tears) see what comes up.  It's amazing the sensations
    that arise, even when becoming the curtain in a house that was in
    a dream.
    
    I've found it very informative and interesting.
    
    Taunya

    Re: .15 & .16 
               very interesting, Thankyou for your replies.
    
                                       Sandy
    

    I wonder if anyone could explain to me what this dream could mean.
    I've had two days in a row,the first night it really scared me
    enough to wake me up with a cold sweat and my heart pounding.
    It starts out that I'm walking somewhere in my home town. Its
    dark but I can still see shadows. I remember its getting colder
    so I put on my jacket. I still don't know where I am going
    but everything seems familar. Anyhow as I'm walking I hear
    someone behind me I turn around and there is a man but the 
    scary part is he has no face and he's coming towards me with
    a knife in his hand. I can't run my legs want to move but I
    can't go anywhere. It scared me so much I woke up and I felt
    like I knew this person. The second time it was the same thing
    only this time I didn't try to run instead I stood there but
    he did'nt move. This is tripping me out I've never had anything
    like this happen to me. I would like some of your thoughts
    please...... Thanks 

    Most dreams are expressions of wishes and fears.
    
    Yours appears to be a manifestation of your fear of random violence.
    The man-with-no-face could be any man... any one of the thousands of
    perpetrators of random violence that we read about in the papers or
    see on the tube constantly.
    
    Know that you can walk the life path without ever crossing that line.
    Like the maze, you can weave in and out of situations... leaving the
    party before the fight breaks out, checking the gas tank so you are not 
    stranded in the dark somewhere.  
    
    You can choose your destiny.  Stop being afraid of random violence...
    choose not to be a victim.. make a conscious choice not to be a victim
    of random violence..  and the faceless man with the knife will not see
    you in your next dream... he will walk right through you.
    
    Then you'll never have the dream again.
    
    Mary

    
    
    
    I was wondering if recently,you have a suspicion,that,someone is
    trying,or,would like to hurt you in some way? If so,the fear may be
    manifesting itself,in your dreams.
    
    
    Peace
    Michael
    

    Re .18:
    
    > ................. The second time it was the same thing
    >only this time I didn't try to run instead I stood there but
    >he did'nt move. 
     
    Hmm.  Sounds like in the first case, you were succumbing to your
    fears, and in the second case, standing up to them.  If the "man
    with no face" indeed "didn't move," it suggsts "he" really has little
    or no power over you, save for that which you give to him.
    
    Re .19 (Mary):
    
    >Yours appears to be a manifestation of your fear of random violence.
    >The man-with-no-face could be any man... any one of the thousands of
    >perpetrators of random violence that we read about in the papers or
    >see on the tube constantly.
     
    Assigning it to "random violence" may be narrowing it too far. 
    The knife could represent any of several things (including, if you'll
    forgive, "cutting to the heart of matters").  Whether random violence
    or any other fear, it's a matter of, in the dream state, how much
    control one will cede.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Perhaps best to develop lucid dreaming then Steve and cede no control. 
    ... if one can develop it to such an extent.
    Mary

    re: .18
    
    I think that something happened shortly before you had this 
    dream that triggered its production.  Whatever happened could
    have been an actual event or thoughts or feelings about a pro-
    posed event but, whatever it was, I think it stirred up unre-
    solved fears from your past, fears that surfaced in the dream.
    
    This "man with no face" doesn't seem to me to be a random fig-
    ure.  Much of the dream content suggests that he's a relative.
    First you're in your "home town" where "everything seems *famil-
    ar*" - (italics mine.)  Then upon awakening you "feel like [you]
    knew this person."  The same identifying feature characterizes
    the second dream.  Here the man moves *relative to you.*  When 
    you stop; he stops.  I don't think that you're controlling him, 
    but that he's controlling himself and responding to you.  There
    is a *relationship* - and a relation shift - between the two of
    you.  Perhaps the faceless character is a relative who "lost     
    face" or was "afraid to show his face" or who had a problem he
    "didn't want to face."  Perhaps you were told you didn't have to
    "face him again."  Perhaps he was disfigured in some way, like 
    the so called "elephant man."  Perhaps he was considered to be
    worthless, like something with "no face value."  Perhaps he was
    wearing a disguise or a Halloween costume.  
    
    (The fact that you want to run but can't is probably that typical
    reaction that can occur during REM (rapid eye movement) sleep.
    The dreamer's large muscles are still literally paralyzed, even
    though the dreamer is very close to waking consciousness and try-
    ing v-e-r-y hard to move.)
    
    Virginia
    

    
    re: .18
    
    Being in your "home town" indicates that you are merely exploring
    your own psyche.  
    
    "...still don't know where I'm going, but everything seems familiar."
    
    An indication that there are many areas of your psyche that remain
    as potential, and unexplored.
    
    It's quite possible that the man chasing you is your shadow.  The 
    more you run away - the more you try to ignore and repress what
    he represents - the more power he has over you.  The second dream
    has shown some kind of evolution though (perhaps the purpose of 
    the dream series) - now you are able to stand and face the man.
    And of course you know him!  You *are* him.  (Or his is an aspect
    of you.)
    
    Did something occur in reality that might parallel this inner idea
    of running from some situation?  Maybe a situation that that evokes
    some kind of fear or just something else you consider unpleasant
    (emotionally) to deal with?
    
    Also, the knife (phallus) seems to me to indicate a sexual element in 
    all of this.  Exactly what that means only you would know.
    
    I haven't read the other replies, so forgive me if this is repetetive.
    
    guy