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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:	Psychic Phenomena
Notice:	Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:	JARETH::PAINTER

Created:	Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:	Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	2143
Total number of notes:	41773

1345.0. "THE OTHER JON" by CSCMA::SCHILLER () Mon Aug 27 1990 14:39

    I just found out something this weekend and it really has me baffled.
    
    Seven years ago, my brother who was at the time 19 years old, was
    hiking in the white mountains. It was a very HOT day and he eventually
    collapsed of hyperthermia. His temperature went up to 108 degrees
    and at one point someone even read him his last rights. All this
    I knew. What I did not know is what he thought happened in the
    Life-Flight helicopter on the way to the hospital. 
    
    He was unconscious all night and when he woke in the morning and
    my mother asked him what he remembered he said he remembered being
    in the helicopter (how could he? he was unconscious!) and a very
    BRIGHT light. Then he said "Isn't it sad that Jon died (my brothers
    name is Jon)?" My mom said, "You didn't die Jon, you're going to
    be alright." My brothers response was "Not me, the other 19 year
    old boy named Jon..you know the one who collapsed on the mountain
    with me and died in the helicopter on the way there." When he found
    out he was the only one in the helicopter he shut up and never said
    another word about it. When my mom questioned him he would go up
    to his room and shut the door.
    
    Also very weird...my father took this VERY hard and said nothing
    the whole ride to the hospital or the whole night they were there.
    The only words out of his mouth while Jon was unconscious were
    "He's too young...I'll do anything to save him". Well, 8 months
    later my father died. 2 months after that my friend "JOHN" died.
    Do you think there may be any sort of connection?
    
    How can I get him to talk about it? I am very interested in what
    happened in that helicopter.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
1345.1	OOPS!	CSCMA::SCHILLER		`Mon Aug 27 1990 14:41`	3
	OOPS.......forgot to tell you...when my friend "JOHN" died, he was nineteen years old. Could he be the "other nineteen year old Jon"?
1345.2	Nit alert!	CSC32::GORTMAKER	whatsa Gort?	`Tue Aug 28 1990 05:31`	5
	Hypothermia is caused by the bodys core temprature dropping below 90 degrees and rarely occurs at tempratures above 50 degrees. Heat stroke or heat prostration would seem to make better sense. -j(who has delt with many cases of hypothermia in the ski patrol)
1345.3		NRADM::ROBINSON	did i tell you this already???	`Tue Aug 28 1990 12:12`	4
	nit reply - it was hyper-thermia, raised temperature.
1345.4	Reading recommendation	CGVAX2::PAINTER	And on Earth, peace...	`Tue Aug 28 1990 16:08`	7
	Re.0 Hi - you might consider reading the book "One" by Richard Bach. And then give it to him to read - it might break the ice. Cindy
1345.5	a Trusting Space	USAT05::KASPER	Drumming to beat all hell...	`Wed Aug 29 1990 13:49`	12
	re: .0 From your description it sounds as if your brother quit talking because he felt threatened - that his story wouldn't be understood, accepted or even listened to. Perhaps you could create a trust between the two of you so that he will be willing to share his story without the fear of being attacked or ridiculed. Maybe you could begin by telling him some things about yourself that make you equally vunerable. I wish you well. Terry
1345.6	Possible Walk-In ?	CURIE::BEDARD		`Wed Aug 29 1990 17:21`	37
	Re: .0 Ok, here goes... Sometimes souls make agreements before coming into the world, that one will live out the "beginning years" and the other will take over and finish out the life. This must be agreed to beforehand and is usually because each has lessons they want to learn or experience, but they don't want or need to experience the entire life. To accomplish the tranference of souls, usually the body will be in a near death experience or will become VERY ill. The soul that takes over is called a walk-in. I guess most times the new soul entering takes a while to acclimate to the new body and the environment and relationships. The period of body acclimiation is 7 years (that's how often your body 'replaces' itself). Relationships, personality and even basic body appearance can change (so that the new soul is more comfortable and can meet the objectives of why he came back to the physical). There's usually a period of disorientation while the new one takes it all it. Richard Bach is a good one to read to get perspective. Also you can get into the "MICHAEL READINGS". NOTE: With anything you read, accept what feels true to you and discard or file away the rest for possible later review (now, where did I read that??) A girlfriend of mine, believes in her heart that she is a walk-in from age 12 on. She did her thing and died of cancer at 42. Only your brother knows for sure what happened to him. But if he had an adjustment period after the incident and has never 'quite been himself since' it's one possible explaination. I know it's alot to swallow, it was for me at first. Good luck. By the way, how old is your brother now?
1345.7		NRADM::ROBINSON	did i tell you this already???	`Wed Aug 29 1990 18:09`	6
	.6 - interesting...sounds like a book I am reading now _Man's Unending Quest_, esp the part about believe what you can and file the rest.
1345.9	Mysteries of the Brain	REGENT::BROOMHEAD	Don't panic -- yet.	`Tue Sep 18 1990 19:57`	22
	Well, there's unconscious and there's unconscious. If Jon was only lightly, rather than profoundly, unconscious, he could have heard what was going on around him. (Hearing is the last sense to go as you `slip down the layers of unconsciousness'.) He might have misheard what was going on around him. (The sound levels in a helicopter are not, well, optimum.) The paramedics might have been talking about someone else, on a previous flight, and he might have misunderstood just what they were talking about. After all, Thinking and Temperature of 108F do not go together well. Now, since hearing is the last sense to go, that means that the sense of touch goes before it does. This means that Jon could have felt he was floating, and have been thoroughly disoriented. Thus, he could have felt that his `experience' (however badly misperceived) was an authentic spiritual experience, and be quite bothered by the idea that it wasn't matched by the facts. Or it could bother him by making him think that he was crazy, since why would he have heard something like that if he weren't? Ann B.