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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1276.0. ""Mind Reading"" by WLDWST::MARTIN_T () Fri Jun 08 1990 20:50

     I have these experiances that I know everyone must have shared.
    Has there been moments when someone has said something to yoor in
    general and its what your thinking.The most common phrase to go
    with this is "you took that right out of my mouth".Or it can be
    the opposite whereas you say or do something that someone thought?
    Whats this called?Is this mind-reading in a way or some kind of
    thought transfer?IT is said that we operate on electrical 
    signals.
     I have this experiance all the time and its starting to trip me
    out.I have noticed similarities to my experiances.Most of the time
    this happens Im with my girlfreind or Im at peace with myself and
    the envirement.Is it that Im intuned with the other somehow.
     I first thought that it only happened to people I was close to
    and know well,but it happens with stangers so I must throw that
    theory out the door.
     Id appreciate any feedback that could enlighten me on new
    ways of thought.
    
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1276.1CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperFri Jun 08 1990 21:3433
    "Mind reading" is a term which brings up images of cheap theatricals
    and bad science fiction.  "Telepathy" or "Thought Transference" are
    perhaps better terms.
    
    The EEG was invented to discover the electrical waves which the
    inventor thought were the mechanism behind thought transference. 
    Basically, while it succeeded in finding electrical waves in the brain,
    it can be shown that they are grossly insuffient for transfering
    such highly structured information.
    
    Furthermore, in contradiction to what would occur with some kind of
    literal "mental radio", telepathy seems to be unaffected by electrical
    shielding or by distance.
    
    Many cases of apparent thought transference such as you describe are
    adequately explained by the amazing deductive ability of the
    subconscious.  The subconscious can frequently figure out, on the basis
    of past behavior, subtle body language cues, and context what someone
    else is thinking or about to say.  Of course, it is frequently wrong,
    but we don't pay much attention when it gets it wrong -- only are
    amazed when it gets it right.
    
    However -- this is provably not sufficient to explain all cases of
    apparent thought transference.  The explanation is badly stretched in
    many spontaneous cases, and is completely untenable in explaining
    laboratory experiments where all such possible cues have been carefully
    excluded.
    
    So -- while some of the incidents you cite are probably *not* thought
    transference, others quite likely are.  And whatever causes it is not
    electrical "brain waves."
    
    					Topher
1276.2What was that you said?AYOV18::TWASONMon Jun 11 1990 07:1020
    This same thing happened to me yesterday, and many times before.
    
    My husband was setting up the video, and I was reading the newspaper,
    and I heard him say something (or atleast I thought I had) but I
    couldn't quite make it out - you know what it's like when you're
    concentrating on something you can here things but can't quite make
    them out, so I looked up and said "What did you say? I couldn't
    hear you".
    
    He looked at me astonished and said "I never said anything, but
    what I was about to say was that I don't think this video is going
    to work".  This happens alot with us.
    
    It also happened with someone I work with, I was standing behind
    him at his desk and he turned round and looked at me about to say
    something and I said to him "No, I don't know what I'm going to
    get Fiona for a birthday present"  his reply was "How did you know
    that was what I was going to ask you".
    
    Tracy
1276.3<Reading Minds>CSC32::T_SANDEFURTue Jun 12 1990 14:0210
    Do not feel alone.  I have the same experiences all the time, even with
    people who are not close friends.  My husband and I are on the same
    wave length alot. For example last week, we had not talked all day
    long, I left work and went to the grocery store to pick up a few things
    for dinner, not knowing he was going also.  He should up at the house
    with the EXACT same groceries I had picked up, only from a different
    store.  I think it is a great gift to have. It is also fun to see the
    expression on peoples face.  
     
    
1276.4dinner for two, for two.... ;-)IJSAPL::ELSENAARFractal of the universeTue Jun 12 1990 18:3710
>    for dinner, not knowing he was going also.  He should up at the house
>    with the EXACT same groceries I had picked up, only from a different
>    store.

Hm. Somewhere along the line, something went wrong, then.....
:-):-)

Arie

1276.5<re:dinner for two>CSC32::T_SANDEFURTue Jun 12 1990 19:357
    > for dinner, not knowing he was going aslo.  He should up at the house
    
    
    Opps!  that should be... He came home with the exact same groceries I
    had picked up earlier.  (sorry for the phrasing)
    
    
1276.6WLDWST::MARTIN_TTue Jun 12 1990 20:354
    
    Well,there must be a way one could control it at will.If it can
    happen more then once then it can happen again and again
    
1276.7What's Normal?WMOIS::REINKEHello, I'm the Dr!Wed Jun 13 1990 19:224
    What if the "natural" state is telepathy and the abnormal condition is
    that we think we must speak to communicate?  
    
    DR
1276.8PointerCGVAX2::PAINTERAnd on Earth, peace...Wed Jun 13 1990 21:316
    
    Re.6
    
    Find someone and start practicing.
    
    Cindy
1276.9talk to the animalsCHET::MACDONALDWed Jun 20 1990 16:374
    It can also be done with animals...non-verbal communication and it's 
    great!
    
    MaryAnne
1276.10Reading minds that you know well or KNEW well.DPDMAI::BIRDSWed Jun 27 1990 17:5835
    There are so many differdnt avenues of thought regarding this one, is
    it possible that we are more sensitive to people we knew in a past
    life?  Of course I am not saying that I am a firm believer of past life
    but I am not a disbeliever either.  Actually I think it is highly
    feasible.  I experience this quite often with friends and even
    strangers but most of all with my mother.  I can follow my mom into the
    kitchen and tell her what she is going to get out (of a cupboard) and
    it constantly blows her mind.  We have made a sort of game out of it. 
    She is really into metaphysics, crystals, interpretations from (White
    Eagle), Manly P. Hall and Lazarus (I mean the list goes on and on.  She
    is not really a (how should I say) ditzy woman, she is not into this
    because of the ""GLAMOUR"" of a new thing but more for a research and
    achievement of higher inner self, knowledge type of a deal.  Back in
    the summer of 1987, we went to Chesterfield, Indiana and had an aura
    reading together (showing entities around us), we were told that we
    were sisters or (check this) that I was her mother in a former life. 
    Our auras formed a ""mystic eight" and I was older than her.  I don't
    relly know how to explain in words how it was explained to me or how I
    perceived it.  Anyway we are from Cherokee Indian descent (only a
    little) but we both had guardian angels and Indians that guided us on
    our journey (which I'm not sure of what that is either).  The whole
    episode was very enlightening and all kinds of crazy stuff happened
    right after that, I had an OOB experience (the only one) and I saw my
    Guardian Angel-Straight Arrow.  The whole thing was just crazy.  Anyway
    enough for now but regarding my mother, she ia a wonderful woman and I
    feel very lucky to be her kid.  Not really a kid anymore but you know
    what I mean.  Sorry I kind of rambled.
    
    More later.
    Suzie
    
    
    
    
    
1276.11Flipped outWMOIS::RAINVILLEMessiah Wanted, Experienced!Tue Jul 17 1990 05:0520
    A long time ago (20 years) in an army far away, I had many traveling
    adventures with someone who remains close inspite of 1000s of miles
    and years between us.  Often, in the course of our years together, we
    had choices to make.  Who got the window seat on the airplane...who
    got to sleep in the front or back seat of the rental auto, who would
    be first to climb the cliff or jump the motorcycle over an obstacle.
    
    We settled these choices by flipping a coin.  Not by calling it in the
    air, but by flipping it, looking at it hidden from the other, then
    telling him what it was.  The challenge was to figure out if he was
    telling the truth or lying, the counter-challenge to hold a poker face
    thru all questions, psyche out the others' (50%) chance of being right.
    This started while waiting for flights or for the road to unwind.
    
    It got to the point where we could NOT fool each other.  I've used
    this technique since in games where a configuration is set up by one
    player to be guessed by the other.  Sometimes I've really been able
    to spook onlookers, but never has the rapport been so tight as with
    my traveling companion....mwr