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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
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Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
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1219.0. "Channeling & doubts - need help" by JOKUR::CIOTO () Tue Feb 20 1990 19:06

    I am a relatively new channeler.  During meditation, I often ask
    for and receive useful spiritual advice for myself or some other person.  
    This information comes in various forms -- images, feelings, thoughts, 
    words, or any combination of the above.  Another aspect of channeling 
    I've been doing is concentrating on a name (or photo) of a person I 
    don't know, and providing a character/personality portrait of that 
    person, sometimes to a level of empathy -- feeling what they are 
    feeling.  These experiences have been quite extraordinary.
    
    But I could use some advice at this point...  
    
    For those of you who have channeled, or are channeling, I have a
    a basic question, which I suppose comes with the territory:  Do you
    have any advice/tips on how to move through the doubts -- that is,
    doubts about your own ability to channel meaningful information during
    the process of channeling?   If these doubts are impossible to
    eliminate, then can you suggest ways to at least brush them aside?
    
    I've been told many times that it is difficult to "get out of your own
    way" while channeling and trust that the information coming through 
    is significant.   Very true.  Often times, when I channel information 
    for myself or others, I'll tell myself, "No, this can't be right" 
    or "I am making this up" or "This is silly gobbledegook" or "This is 
    meaningless."  These doubts, in turn, sometimes make me conclude, 
    "I can't really do it after all."   Often I'll get a silly image
    or get the urge to say something silly, and this makes me want
    want to hold back the information.
    
    The funny part about it, however, is that those things I consider silly
    and meaningless USUALLY turn out to have importance to someone, in some
    way, after all.  Likewise, the seeming gobbledegook that I speak 
    (or write) often makes a great deal of sense, sometimes in beautiful
    prose, only AFTER I listen to or read it.
    
    They say the doubts will always be with you, as long as you channel, no
    matter how experienced you get.  And doubts can often be healthy ....
    But at this point I feel the doubts are pretty much getting in my way.  
    So any advice on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
    
    Peace,
    Paul
    
    P.S.  For those non-channelers who find this really weird and
    discomforting ... sorry about that.  I think there are a lot
    of myths and misinformation out there on this subject.  If you 
    feel you want to know more about it, feel free to ask.
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1219.1WILLEE::FRETTSAll the Earth is alive...Wed Feb 21 1990 12:3329
    
    
    Hi Paul,
    
    From my perspective, I think it would be very unusual to *not* have
    some doubts and questions about this type of work.  I have been
    working with mediumship for almost 8 years and still every now and
    then have a question or doubt about what is coming through or what 
    is happening.  Working through and with these doubts and questions 
    is part of the development process.  The channeling process you are 
    developing will probably change over the years and through those 
    changes new questions will arise.  If you are serious about this
    work be prepared that it will change your life.
    
    For me it basically comes down to 1) knowing why you are doing this
    - what's the purpose?, 2) commit yourself to the work in service
    to others, 3) work at creating a close, trusting relationship with
    your guides, 4) have faith that the information you are passing
    on has meaning to the recipient, 5) be responsible for all that
    you do, and most important 6) keep God/Goddess/ATI at the source
    of the work.

    
    Your sincerity comes through your words.  G/GS/ATI, spirit, humanity
    and the world need good workers.  Just know that others understand
    the process you are going through and that it is not an easy task.
    
    Love and light to you,
    Carole
1219.2If you doubt the light ask for the source!CIMNET::ATKINSONWed Feb 21 1990 12:3422
    Paul,
    You are not doubting your ability to channel but rather the source of
    what you are channeling....therefore placing yourself in a space where
    you are sure of the source you are connecting to is the first important
    consideration. The only information or image,etc that is silly is that
    which is not understood or shared....just like the only stupid question
    is the one not asked!. You are not allowing youself to be open to
    images and thoughtforms you are not accustomed to dealing with in your
    daily conscious context. However, you will eventually find that the
    Father/Mother does not always transmit in forms we are familiar with
    on this particular planet or plane (neither do the Paradise Suns).
    
    If you need assurance of the source ask for it and it shall be
    received. NEVER feel that you cannot ask any question for your own
    assurance.
    
    I hope this helps you and I will be happy to discuss it futher with
    you if you wish.
    
    In Light and Love,
    I AM
    Altraea
1219.3My two cents....TADSKI::WAINELindaWed Feb 21 1990 16:2227
    Paul,

    You should always make sure that you protect yourself before opening
    up.  I always do protection affirmations and surround myself with
    a "golden armor of silver light".  I also say affirmations about only
    letting only "Good and God", and the "Highest and Best" come through me.
    I also ask my spirit guides to help me (and also the Ascended Masters).
    When I am concentrating on a specific question, I always phrase the
    question starting with "What does the Heart and Mind of God want" me
    and/or the person I am giving the reading for to know about the
    specific situation that I or that person is asking about.  If you
    protect yourself and only allow that which is of Good and God through
    you, then you should start gaining confidence in that the information
    that you see/feel/hear is accurate and helpful information.  Once you
    have confidence in this, you should be able to not judge the information
    that you convey, but just state the information and let the person sort
    it out in whatever way they need to.  

    I think that a lot of the initial self-doubting comes from not being
    sure about where the information is coming.  If you are practicing
    mediumship, you ARE RESPONSIBLE for the information that you convey,
    which is why you should be rooted in Good and God, and protect
    yourself so that you will only open up to that which is of Good and God,
    for the Highest and Best.

    Linda

1219.4doubting can increase integrityCARTUN::BERGGRENBelieving is seeing...Thu Feb 22 1990 13:4872
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Paul,

As you've said and in the replies you've received, doubts are 
very much a part of this work.  I have been studying and working 
with spirit communication for about ten years and still work 
through issues of doubt from time to time.  

As Carole indicated, the more you work with it, the more 
comfortable you may become.  This does not mean that the doubts 
will go away, it only means you will view them in such a way that 
they do not seriously impede the work, as they tend to do in the 
beginning.  You end up working side by side with your doubts.

The positive side of doubting Paul, is that it indicates a 
concern and a sincere effort for the quality and integrity of 
your work with spirit.  

As was alluded to in another reply, many times the information 
given to you by a spirit communicator for another person will 
make very little or no sense to you.  That's because the 
information isn't meant for you.  So although it may not make any 
sense to you, it may very well make perfect sense to the person 
receiving it.  This is one of the trickiest aspects of 
communication - removing the temptation to add a personal 
interpretation to the message, particularly if you see a 
quizzical look on the person's face who is receiving it.

It is challenging indeed to "let go and let God/Goddess/ATI" 
It is difficult because most of us have never been taught how to 
"be" in this way.  Trust is developed in the physical world of 
the 5 senses by being able to "verify" information immediately, 
primarily through strictly rational, logical, and scientific 
reasoning.  There has been little value placed on intuitive 
perception, because of its primarily subjective nature and 
therefore is difficult to be measured and quantified.

The channeler or medium, in order to do spirit communication, 
must journey beyond the 5 senses to receive information.  The 
medium learns to access another level of his or her being and 
how to operate in a "multi-sensory" way as opposed to the 
traditional 5 sensory way of perceiving and processing 
information. 

Then the task becomes taking multi-sensory information and 
relating it to another through the five senses.  As Altraea 
indicated, much information received on this other level will be 
given in forms of symbols and imagery, and may not be immediately 
understood by the person receiving it.  It is here where the 
medium must resist the temptation to add a personal 
interpretation of the symbols.  This is what is meant by "getting 
out of your own way".  The medium's task is simply to "report" 
the information that is being given.

Sometimes this is much easier said than done.  But to become a 
truly clear channel for spirit, it is something that absolutely 
needs to happen.  No ands, ifs, or buts.  There are ways to 
facilitate understanding of the information received by spirit, 
but that is a whole other topic.

As Carole said, there is a desperate need for good workers.  And 
mediumship will change your life.  A book I would *highly* 
recommend in helping to better understand intuitive processing 
and spirit communication is Gary Zukov's _Seat of the Soul_.

Good luck Paul.  It is good to see the work blossoming in another 
dedicated, sincere person. 

Karen

                
1219.5Thanks all...JOKUR::CIOTOFri Feb 23 1990 19:3725
    To all who answered:  Thank you for the good input.  Many good ideas to
    work with.  Your replies help put things in better perspective.  
    
    .2 ... Asking for and getting assurance from the source is something I
    am going to get into more.  However, most of my doubts still seem
    centered around "getting out of my own way" rather than wondering about
    the source.  
    
    .3 ... Regarding protecting oneself:  This is something I always do
    before allowing myself to channel -- in many of the same ways you 
    protect yourself.  The white-light imagery and prayers are quite 
    effective, since I have yet to have a negative experience while 
    channeling.  By "negative," I mean connecting with any information 
    that is not wise and loving.  But you are essentially right:  Stating 
    good intentions and asking for protection are necessary parts of the 
    process, in my opinion.
    
    Although everyone has innate ability to channel, I do feel honored for 
    having been given the opportunity to perhaps someday help humanity in
    a spiritual way.  (A year ago, I never would have dreamed it possible.)
    So ... I agree ... With these gifts come certain responsibilities.  
    And I do take it all seriously. 
    
    Thanks again for the replies,
    Paul