Conference hydra::dejavu

    re: .0 (Perry)
    
         I don't think you are far off the mark at all.  I kind of
    like your first couple of paragraphs.  I am certainly not an expert,
    but based on my understandings so far, that is at least a very
    good probability of reality.  If you read "ONE" by Richard Bach,
    you will encounter similar thoughts.  All lifetimes, all existence,
    is already present, what we do is select.  There seems to be a 
    myriad number of games that can be played around this, call it 
    expansion or contraction, call it giving the power to parts that
    don't operate well in the consciousness (such as sub-conscious
    or unconscious minds) or call it a plan to deliberately forget
    (a plan conceived by the Higher Consciousness in order to learn
    more without being muddled by simultaneous interference by 
    rememberances.)  Somehow as we develop we are being drawn to
    certain conclusions that seem to "force" the understanding that
    you expressed (quantum physics--no time, no space--compel this 
    type of thought.) 
        There was a wonderful show on PBS this week (and I only got to
    watch a small part) called "Ring of Fire", I believe, about two
    men who spent ten years in and around Indonesia.  Very fascinating
    stuff.  What comes to mind here is the "healer" who created
    electricity by mental thought.  He reported doing daily meditation and
    practicing since he was a small boy (using Kundalini or at least
    chakra energy) to enable him to do what he did.  So, keep on
    practicing.  
    
    Frederick
    

    
    re:.1 (Frederick)
    
    I saw that show too and found it very interesting.  That healer you 
    spoke of said that he created those currents by consciously driving
    the Ying and Yang energies together.  I believe he refered to an area
    just below the navel.  I think what he was refering to was where the
    Ida and Pingala nadis cross just above and just below the second
    Chakra.  The flow of energy through these nadis is what makes is so
    hard to find a balance in one's sexuality.  I believe what he has
    learned to do is to sort of "smash" the upper and lower energies
    together.  But who knows - it's just a theory.....
    
    Anyway this is just a small informational point.
    
    The really cool part was when he set that newspaper on fire with his
    bare hand!
    
    Guy

RE: .1 (Frederick), .2 (Guy)
    
    Yes that was an excellent series.
    
    > The really cool part was when he set that newspaper on fire with his
    > bare hand!
    
    I have not way of knowing whether or not that was genuine (I am by no
    means denying it), but keep in mind that that a pretty simple
    prestidigitation trick appears identical.  Also keep in mind that in
    many cultures the use of such a trick would not be considered
    unethical, since it has as its purpose the building of confidence in
    the healer's ability and thus making those abilities more effective.
    
    					Topher

    Perry,
    
    I wouldn't *entirely* rule out ESP yet.  Sometimes at least with psi
    it seems like one person supplies the "talent" while a number of people
    "tap into" and use it.  If this is so, then it wouldn't be such an
    outrageous coincidence, then, that your "opponent" seemed to "be using
    it too".
    
    If it isn't ESP, then this is what parapsychologists call PK
    (PsychoKinesis).  In particular, since the deck was shuffled before
    the target card (the card you were going to try for) was chosen, then
    this is "retro-PK" or "retro-active-PK".
    
    The labels "psi", "PK" and "ESP", are just that -- labels.  They are
    descriptions hung on what is seen, not explanations or descriptions of
    mechanisms.  Your "cable-Universe" model may well be correct.  In fact,
    the person who has done the most work with retro-PK, Dr. Helmut
    Schmidt, conceptualizes and experiments on the basis of a quantum
    mechanics based "observational theory" of PK and ESP.  That theory
    is based on the Copenhagen Interpretation of QM, but if the language
    were translated to the equivalent Many-Worlds Interpretation, then
    your model might serve as an informal description of the same theory.
    
    					Topher

re: .0 (Perry)

You may want to take a look at _New Model of the Universe_ by P.D. Ouspensky.
He has a similar theory.  Rather than his realities being "bundled in a cable", 
he perceives them as a "grid" in which one can move about.  In his book,
_Tertium Organum_ he explains some of the experiments he did that brought him
to this conclusion.

Terry

    re: 1101.0 and 1101.4:
    
    These phenomenae appear to be Quantum Mechanical in nature, and
    thus deserve the cautions provided by Heisenberg's formulations:
    they are subject to Uncertainty, and the results you get are not
    likely to be certain and predictable like non-quantum events (i.e.
    movements of billiard balls). From my perspective the Universe does
    seem to work in this odd way. I have learned a certain caution about
    telling others precisely how this works. So, I would urge you not
    to "need to prove that your experience is as it is". Expand your
    vision; look for other areas of your life important to you for the
    effects of "Quantum Connectedness". Take a meditation course from
    a good teacher to deepen your experience of quantum reality. Then,
    have fun!
    
    Richard

    Perry,
    
    	I have just finished reading a library book about the Life of
    Olof Jonsson, an engineer by profession, but more accepted as a
    Swedish psychic.  The author is Brad Steiger who spends too much
    time, I think, on Jonsson's amazing ability with decks of cards;
    however, his point is well taken when he finally makes connections
    with Jonsson's involvement in other PSI areas.  
    
    Also, Jonsson's philosophy about life and his psychic ability is
    marvelously simple, almost innocent.  In view of your interest in 
    card guessing as it connects with ESP (and I think everything is
    connected with something) I would urge you to pick up the book at
    your local library.  It was published in 1970.  If nothing else,
    it will certainly expand your understanding of the phenomenon (art)
    and give you the impetus to go on to bigger and better things.
    
    Bill