Conference hydra::dejavu

I got the same total ($6.66) the Friday before the 4th of July weekend.  I 
noted it, didn't think much of it and made the check out for $20 over.  Traveled
over 1,000 miles by pick-up truck in four days, and had no problems whatsoever.
I seem to have more even numbered dollar amounts than $6.66, ie. $10, $20, $100,
$150, etc.  Still nothing's happened to me out of the ordinary.  

But you do know, you are a self-fulfilling prophecy waiting to happen, don't 
you?  If you think something is going to happen, it more than likely will!  
Then if something does happen, you try to lay the blame on something/someone
else instead of `owning' it yourself.  :^)

Judy

    
    
    Hello,
    
    Just thought you might be interested to hear that I have a 
    wonderful sister who is two years younger than me called Lorraine.
    
    Although she is always getting herself into various emotional
    tangles, she is no more 'wierd' than any other 23 year old.
    
    The significance of this is her date of birth......
    
    6th June 1966     666(6)
    
    Maybe the fourth 6 cancels the 'bad' influence or maybe it just
    goes to show that in some peoples' cases they can be surrounded
    by sixes and avoid the 'beast' nonetheless :^)
    
    Sandy
    (UK)

    Hmm.
    
    We've gone over this some bwefore in another note.
    
    `666' comes from Rev:13.  It specifically speaks of a "second" beast
    (the first, Rev:1-8 is from the sea; the second is "out of the earth');
    the quote of note is Rev:13-17-18:  "And that no man might buy or
    sell, save that he have the mark, or the name of the beast, or the
    number of his name.  Here is wisdom.  Let him that hath understanding
    count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and
    his number is Six hundred threescore and six." [KJV]  
    
    One mild hint may come from the fact that this was written in the
    time of ancient Rome.  Each number was designated by a letter. 
    So, 500=D, 100=C, 50=L, 10=X, 5=V, and 1=I.  A straightforward `666'
    would therefore most probably be written `DCLXVI.'  The problem
    is that there is enough ambiguity in this "number of a man" that
    it could stand for Claudius (an unlikely choice), Pope Leo, or any
    other of many notables.  A hypothesis that it was a Caesar is based
    on the thought that coins of the Roman period were embossed with
    likenesses of the Caesars (and their name).  The first "beast" may
    be the city of Rome.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    There isn't anything inherently evil about "666" or "6" or "66" or
    "6666". With that said it is easily seen that a conditioned emotional
    response to any idividual symbol can be programmed IF enough energy
    goes into it.
    
    Such is the case with 666. There is quite a bit of fear programmed with
    the number by certain religious systems.
    
    Suggestion: Just ignore it. Or play with it. Or see where the symbol
    itself came from in it's own contexts.

    While driving into work today I was behind a red Camaro Z28 with a
    license plate number of <666 666>.  I kept my distance....
    
    

    
    
    Maybe this doesn't mean anything but...in note 666.6, there appears to
    be alot of sixes there...
    
    The devil made me do it...
    
    

    
    re:.6 (John)
    
    Look at note 1078.6 - there's a lot of sixes there,too!
    
    :-)
    
    Guy
    

    
    Noticed that adding the 6's together equals 24.  Add the 2 and the
    4 together and it equals 6.
    
    In Linda Goodman's "Star Signs," the number 6 is said to vibrate
    to the planet Venus.  It represents the feminine essence, compassion,
    and (until Venus gives up her rulership of Taurus whenthe planet
    Pan-Horus is discovered) also money.  6 is the number of love and
    romance.
    
    Joanne
    

    RE .8
    
    Shouldn't that me 6+6+6=18 which gives 1+8=9.  The sign of the beast
    is supposed to be 666 not 6666
    
    Steve

    Re .9 (Steve):
    
    Well, for that matter, 9 is an upside-down 6, so ... :-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

         
    Re.10 (Steve K.)
    
    RATS!  You beat me to it.  (Inverting the 6ixes to come up with 9ines).
    
    (;^)
    
    And if you read them backwards or put them up to a mirror, they aren't
    6ixes any more either.
    
    It's all in your perspective.
    
    Cindy

    
    	I'd imagine people must have really freaked out when the year
    	666 a.d. came.
    
    	It seems to me that the Bible in general and Revelations in
    	particular are largely intended tp be interpreted metaphorically.
    	The '666' question is (to me, anyway) a particularly frustrating
    	riddle. Somehow I doubt that it is intended that we fear everything
    	that has a 666 in it. If the riddle is ever solved, I'll bet
    	that it turns out to have nothing to do with the actual number
    	666 at all. Until then, I think that seeing the number 666 will
    	cause no more reaction than a briefly raised eyebrow for me.
    
    Neal/B

    
                     One of my test stamps here at work is 666. I believe
    that it came to me because I can handle (not freak-out) it. To this 
    date I have not had an oportunity to stamp any product with it. I 
    don't attach any significance to it -the number or the stamp- other 
    than it bothers som people (not me). What I do find interesting is 
    that the configuration of the stamp is such that the number is circum-
    scribed by an equilateral triangle. What does this sugest to the 
    readership?
    
                          Later,
                           Mark
    
    

         
    Re.13 (Berlinger)
    
    Hi Mark,
    
    Perhaps a sense of humor on the part of the stampmaker?  (;^)
    
    Cindy

Let's try a numerological interpretation:

the number 666 added up = 18  (6+6+6)
The number 18 added up = 9    (1+8)


	 9

	 18

	6 6 6


 The number 9 includes all the other numbers (all that is-the universe-god 
force, etc)


The numbers 1 (self) and 8 (material world) can be described by a card of the 
tarot in the major arcana called the "The  Moon."  This card indicates 
deception and all deception is 'self' deception.    It is the influence of the 
material world on the self that prevents the self from operating at the global 
level of the 9 (or reaching "heaven").  The 18 indicates that the material 
world (8) is an illusion that is preventing the self (1) from realizing (self 
realization) "heaven." 
	The 6 is the number of harmony, adjustment, responsibility, love. 
it also means attainment (as in physical power and force). Numbers that show 
up more than once in the same context, usually indicate some kind of discord 
with those numbers.  The three sixes might indicate extreme lack of harmony 
and ability to adjust to the social world.  A really limited ability to show 
other than physical love.  It could also indicate the use of force and 
mundane power to attain physical needs.  

	The 666 indicates that the self is too wrapped up in the physcal world 
to even be concerned about higher needs.  To 'Beware the mark of the beast,' 
is to be aware of our physical entrapments and the misuse of physical power. 
Not to let the physical world (8) entrap the self (1) by self delusion (18).  
The self (1) must use the material world (8) as a means to our higher self 
(9).

	I have read convincing  material that proposed that the book of 
Revelations is primarily directed to the individual self.  Interpreting the 
significant numbers of Revelations in light of numerology tends to support 
this idea.  Thus the battle of Armeggedon (sp?) is a battle we each have to 
go through to finally become one with our higher self (heaven).  It is our 
last battle that we must fight to give up all attachment to this mundane 
world.  To give up all attachment to the physical world is a battle of great 
magnitude.  One must  'die' (be born again?) in this battle.  Thus, 
'heaven is at hand' by entering into this **personal** battle of Armeggedon 
and severing all attachments to the physical world.  It is not necessary to 
wait until a later date and time to enter into this battle, this particualr 
battle can be waged right now.  Severing all attachments in no way implies 
    having to give up physical life to create a state of heaven (nirvana
    samadhi, etc).
    

Ernie

    

    Re.15 (Wagner)
    
    Thanks, Ernie, that was interesting.
    
    It's as if Hell is where humanity remains focused in the solar plexus
    desires as opposed to more spiritual ones.
    
    Revelations - it may take place at the individual level, however with
    so many people embarking on their spiritual growth paths these days, it
    may be that both the positive and negative forces (how would you say -
    group karma?) will eventually reach a critical mass and life could get
    interesting.  So while the battle is going on now, it may indeed
    intensify in the distant future beyond the scope of the individual.
    
    Cindy
         

Re: Cindy

>    It's as if Hell is where humanity remains focused in the solar plexus
>    desires as opposed to more spiritual ones.

I've believed for a while that humanity's problems stem from a fixation on the 
solar plexus and lower chakras.

		Dave

    Cindy,
    
    > It's as if Hell is where humanity remains focused in the 
    > solar plexus desires as opposed to more spiritual ones.
      
    Dave,
    
    > I've believed for a while that humanity's problems stem from 
    > a fixation on the solar plexus and lower chakras.
    
    Each of the seven chakras consists of the "highest" of spiritual
    natures as well as the "lowest".  I feel we are doing ourselves a
    grave injustice to condemn those energy centers from the heart down 
    as being the "culprit" in our current state of affairs.  And as long
    as we do that, I predict individual and global hells will persist.
    
    I feel the key lies in balancing the spiritual polarities of
    each charkra.   In this way, one engages in transformation with love
    and grace as opposed to erradication with abhoration and vengeance.
    
    Why would you wish to treat yourself in any other way?
    
    Karen

re:  Karen

>I feel we are doing ourselves a
>grave injustice to condemn those energy centers from the heart down 
>as being the "culprit" in our current state of affairs.

Well, I almost went into more detail but decided not to.  Now I guess I'll have
to. :-)  I agree there is nothing wrong with the centers below the heart, but
fixating on them or centering one's self below the heart will lead to trouble.
I think that it's just as true that fixation on the chakras above the heart will
also lead to trouble.  I try to center at the heart chakras and extend myself
evenly above and below.

You'd have to admit though, today's society is very power and material oriented.

		Dave

    Hi Dave,
    
    Thanks for the clarification - I totally agree with you about the
    problems inherent in fixating on any one or group of chakras.
    
    Yes, I do admit that today's society seems to be very power and 
    material oriented.  Power and material are not in themselves "bad". 
    The problem lies in *how* they are being used and for *what* purposes.
    
    We live on a materially bountiful planet and we as human beings have
    enormous creative power...I feel we are learning to bring both of 
    these aspects together to create a healthier, safer, saner, gladsome
    world than ever before.  And perhaps for the first time in this 
    millenium, our children and children's children will inherit a world
    in much better shape than what we were born into.
    
    Glory be :-) We have that capacity, and it's "eeking" out all 
    	over the world.
    
    Karen              

If I were to believe either way about chakras, I would probably tend towards 
Karen's, explanation.  The number seven is spiritual understanding.  Tantra 
Yoga maintains that we must understand with our total being, and this includes 
our sexual organs.  Tantra is a method of transcending into enlightenment 
through the spiritualness of sex.  It is operating in the "lower" chakra in 
conjunction with all the other chakras, also.  It takes operating "properly" 
from the "lower" chakras to even get to the "higher" ones. One does not have 
to stop operating out of a lower chakra (sex) to operate from a higher one.  
Several texts I've read (a long time ago) have agreed with this idea.  
	What ever happened to "Maya?"  Whether chakras are of vertical or 
horizontal construct is just the mind's need to classify in order to make 
sense of maya. Either one is just a belief and in no way affects the results
of meditation or yogic practice. Even to classify energy into "pools" called 
chakras, is a mental construct.  What I do believe, and is being continually 
proved to me on a 'personal' basis, is that the battle of armeggedon is the 
ultimate battle to get the mind to discontinue classifying maya into 
categories. That is, not be attached to reality as it is.  When this last 
mighty battle is finally won, then maya can be shaped into any reality one 
desires.  To those who may not have an understanding of Eastern Philosophy, 
this may sound like opening Pandora's Box.  This is not so because true 
unattachment will not let it happen.

    	I Have a question.  Does Humanity have a problem as a whole?
    Individuals have problems.  but is the state of Humanity just another
    one of our mental constructs and emotional attachments?  In line
    with Eastern Philosophy, I believe that Humanity is an aspect of
    all that is-a human mind's classification.  I versus humanity?
    Do I help humanity or help individuals?  Does it matter?  The fact
    that I am helping individuals is a result of increased awareness
    on my part and the universe compensates positively.  Is it or is
    it not an attachment to want to see every last person on this earth live
    comfortable and have increased awareness.  Is or is not the God-force (all
    that is) content with all that is(including humanity)? If not, What
    is She waiting for?  Why doesn't she change a part of herself so
    that it (humanity) is more comfortable? Seeing a lot of contradictions in
    answering the above statements, forces me to believe that the Book of 
    Revelations is a book of personal revelations.  Just some food for
    thought.
      
Ernie

    RE: the notes on chakras....
    
    I feel that it is important to work with all the chakras in
    the process of opening them and allowing energy to flow freely.
    Perhaps the problems of power and materiality are in some ways
    reflections of energy blockage or energy overabundance in a
    particular chakra.  In the shamanistic journey through the
    chakras, one can come to see the wounds we carry in these
    places reflected in animal images.  The animal itself will
    be wounded.  Or perhaps it will be an animal whose presence
    alone will tell a story of how we are working with that
    energy center.
    
    So, Dave....when you say that you are working from the heart and
    balancing both above and below....this is what, in my opinion,
    will be the way we will walk in balance on Mother Earth and be
    open to the inspiration of Father Sky.
    
    Carole

    
    Re.21 (Wagner)
    
    Ernie,
    
    I agree with your endpoint, however I'm not sure it is possible to lose
    what one doesn't have.
    
    Take the example of science vs. religion.  I view them as a continuum,
    however there are plenty of people with their heels dug in on both
    sides refusing to step out of their attachments long enough to see the
    other 'side' in a different light.  On the other hand though, if the
    split hadn't been made (way-back-when), in order to categorize things
    in the logical right-brain, would there have been a chance to perceive
    the continuum out of the jumble that existed before the split?
    
    Taking this a level further, (for those who believe in a
    God/Goddess/ATI), the creation originated as a result of God trying to
    understand itself.  Would this have been possible had God not created
    an image to reflect back on? 
    
    Cindy

    
    
    Paul,
    
    Though I don't know this for a fact, my *feelings* tell me that
    these energies or currents are similar, if not the same.  This
    reminds me of an interesting concept that Alice Bailey (actually
    the Tibetan channeled through Alice Bailey) shared in some of
    her esoteric writings.  Basically, it ties the chakras of the
    physical body to seven chakras of the Earth to seven sacred planets
    as chakras of the solar system to seven solar systems as chakras
    of the galaxy and so on....  If this is the case, then I would think
    that the energies would be one in the same.
    
    Carole

    
    This reminds me of something I heard about one of the Carlos
    Casteneda books.  Supposedly, Don Juan had "pulled" himself along
    what I took to be ley lines using what I took to be his third
    chakra.  Of course, this information is second hand, having never
    read any of these books myself...
    
    Guy

    I took a course called History of the New Testament in the Spring of
    '89.  The instructor indicated that it was very possible, and highly
    probable, that the number 666 in the Revelation was a code word derived
    through the numeric equivalent to the name "Nero".
    
    Today I talked to someone at a phone number ***-666-666*.  I asked
    the caller, "That enough sixes for ya'?" (yock, yock, yock);-)
    
    A friend in PNO has a Digital badge *666*.  He's right proud of it!
    
    Richard
    

I thought it was interesting this morning when I saw that Japan's Neikkei (sp?)
stock average dropped 666 points last night.  It's funny the places this number
shows up.

		Dave

    In a New Testament commentary I have, the author, Chadwick, notes that, 
    in Roman numerals, "666" = DCLXVI.  These are all the Roman numerals, 
    in ascending order, up to 500.  That is, the number is a series.  The
    Arabic equivalent would be 500 + 100 + 50 + 10 + 5 + 1.  The next
    item in the series is M (=1000).
    
    M is the seventh and last Roman numeral, and the value 1000 might be an
    oblique reference to the Millenium, the thousand years Christ reigns on
    Earth, mentioned at Rev. 20:6.
    
    So, Chadwick suggests, the Number of the Beast may indicate that it is
    the thing that comes immediately before the reign of Christ, and the
    thing that falls short.  (In both Greek and Hebrew, the word translated
    "sin" has the connotation of falling short, insufficiency.)  This would
    make the number a purely numerical symbol for evil, rather than a
    cryptic reference to something not mentioned openly in the book.
    
    You can play similar symbolical games with the number as written in
    Greek, which after all is the language Revelation is written in.
    
    Earl Wajenberg 

    A qabalistic interpretataion would indicate Tiphareth, the 6th
    sephirah, that is indentified with crucified God, and is the child of
    Binah, suffering, where force is limited first by the universal female 
    principle of form. Tiphareth is the harmonious crossroads of the whole
    glyph. In view of this I would think the origin of 666 was not Essenic.

    On the other hand, if Daath (tha invisible Sephirah) is included, then
    the number 6 would be atributed to Gevurah, Severity - the closest
    to the Kali force, but Gevurah is normally assigned the number 5. And
    of course none of the Sephiroth are evil, but only their unbalanced
    counterparts, the Qlippoth (or harlots) that were congealed in the
    Beginning before the Tree had balanced itself.

    I used to worry a bit about 666 and stuff.  Then I asked myself, "If
    this number is so lousy, how come God created a number set with it?"
    Granted, one could argue whether God "created" the integers, but I
    began to see numbers with a different prespective.  
    
    DR
    

    re .30 & 31 I'm a qabal subscriber, but I don't get any of the
    premium stations. :-)
    
    Richard

    This note seemed appropriate to post this trivia question.
    
    We recently got our 1st CD reader here in the office for software
    distribution.  Looking over some of the CDs, I noticed a RRD Test Disc
    #30-23507-02 Revision A made in West Germany by Polygram for Digital
    (yes there is a point to all this seeminly meaningless information).
    
    On the back of this disc it has the following: SATAN-2 9022894 032 01.
    Anybody care to explain this?  It's become quite a topic of discussion
    needless to say!
    
    Regards,
    
    Keith R>

    Not to digress from the previous reply about the SATAN CD but it
    reminded me of a strange happening a week or so ago.  I went to the
    video store and rented the movie "Omen".  When I got it home and opened
    the box, I noticed the UPC symbol was numbered '666'.  Someone must have
    had fun with that one ;-)

    Terry

Keith,

>                -< Is SATAN now available on Compact Disc??!! >-
>   ........ I noticed a RRD Test Disc
                             ^^^^^^^^^
>    On the back of this disc it has the following: SATAN-2 9022894 032 01.
                                                    ^^^^^
Phew! ;-) Only a test disc! Are *we* supposed to test it, or is *he* testing the
medium? What does the documentation say about that?

:-)
Arie

    If my addition is correct all the numbers add up to a "6" would that be
    666 compact :^)
                Bill