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Title:Psychic Phenomena
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Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
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1077.0. "The Celtic Tree Oracle" by JOKUR::PLOETZ (Paula Ploetz) Wed Jun 28 1989 20:39

    I found a wooden box containing a book, cards, a "direction" sheet
    and a pad of record sheets to record readings from the cards.  The
    cards have beautiful drawings of trees (each one is different),
    and have the tree name written on it.
    
    The book is entitled "The Celtic Tree Oracle A System of Divination"
    
    Does anyone know what this is?  I haven't finished reading the book,
    but the introduction talks about the Druids, and this "magical"
    tree alphabet called Ogham - well, I haven't got it all down yet,
    but I am interested in learning more about it.

    Thanks to anyone who can tell me more . . . 
    
    Paula
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1077.1Some factoids.CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperWed Jun 28 1989 21:2028
    Well let's see --
    
    The Druids were a Celtic group of priests, who supervised shrines,
    sacrad sites, and sacrifices (including, apparently, human sacrifice),
    kept lore, educated the nobles and settled disputes.  They believed
    that it was improper to commit lore to writing.  Some acted as scribes
    using the Greek alphabet.  Early in their history their sacrad spots
    were associated with groves, especially with oak groves, but by the
    time the Romans came this was rarely the case.  They apparently did
    *not* do much divination, since that was the responsibility of a different
    social group (whose name escapes me).  Most of what we know of the
    Druids comes by way of the writings of Julius Caeser.
    
    Ogham was an alphabet used in inscriptions, much as runes were.  It
    was a true alphabet in that each letter represented a sound which were
    put together to form words.  There is scholarly disagreement as to
    whether it was derived from the Latin alphabet or from the Eutruscan.
    Existing samples are short inscriptions, words or phrases, most of
    which are peoples names.  They were put on stones, on pieces of wood
    and occasionally on shields or other battle gear.  Most samples are
    accompanied by Latin transliterations.  There were a number of variants,
    including the "tree Ogham".  Their exact use is obscure but Graves in
    "The White Goddess" claims to have discovered by direct poetic
    revelation as being a secret language of poetry (which, given Graves
    view of the poet as mystic and magician, would be consistent with
    divinitory use).  Could be I suppose.
    
    					Topher
1077.2Thanks for the factoidsOCTOP1::PLOETZPaula PloetzThu Jun 29 1989 14:589
    Thanks Topher,
    
    This book is fascinating.  I may have more questions regarding it,
    as I know close to nothing about "ancient history".  I'm sure this
    is the place to ask those questions.
    
    Has anyone ever used these cards as a method to answer queries?
    
    Paula
1077.3Limits.CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperThu Jun 29 1989 15:257
    I'll do my best to answer any questions, but this is not an area in
    which I feel particularly knowledgable -- just some bits and pieces of
    information which I have picked up from various sources, much of which
    appears in .1.
    
    					Topher
    
1077.4America B.C.SALEM::CATANIAStranger than fictionThu Jun 29 1989 19:2118
     Just out of curiosity, I was wondering if any of you folks have
    happened upon any one of three books written by Havard professor Barry
    Fell. They are entitled: "America B.C."; "Bronze Age America"; and,
    "Saga America". 
     
     In the books, Fell does a great job in linking evidence found through-
    out the eastern portion of the U.S. - and especially in and around
    New England - to ancient Celtic, Phoenician, Iberian, and even Egypt-
    ian origins. Offhand, one of most popular sites in the area is known
    as "Mystery Hill" in Salem, N.H.(not ten minutes away from where I'm
    sitting here writing this!) Mystery Hill is renowned for it's stone-
    henge like solstice observatory, labyrinthine tunnels hewn of granite,
    and sacrificial altar. In fact, above the opening to one of several
    small temples is inscribed in ogam: "Dedicated to Baal of the Canaan-
    ites". 
    
                                Paul.
    
1077.5cool place...BTOVT::BEST_GFood is Not a ToyThu Jun 29 1989 19:3313
    
    I glanced over "America B.C." once at a friends house, but wasn't 
    interested enough at the time to read it.  I've been to some so-
    called "stone huts" in Woodstock, VT a couple of times and got
    weird vibes and photos.  I was told (by a rather unsavory source)
    that the huts were holding pens for the people that were to be
    sacrificed and that the nearby hills were haunted.  The ghosts 
    had even come close to driving off local woodcutters by driving
    their trucks around and such.  I don't believe that, but it is
    an interesting place to check out.  I'll give a tour if anyone's
    interested.
    
    Guy