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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1055.0. "Dorothy! Dorothy! " by SHRFAC::ADAMS () Mon May 22 1989 19:06

    In 1953, four years before my birth, my mother and her station 
    wagon were sucked into the funnel of a tornado in Worcester (Ma.)
    Mother and car travelled about 1/5 of a mile before landing in 
    cow pasture. Miraculously, she survived. 
    
    Now, my problem or dilema if you will:
    
    I've always dreamed of tornados. These are extrememely vivid, super
    realistic encounters. The funnel approaches, a fear comes over me
    and then I awake. When i was young, I was less fearful because the
    storm was always off in the distance. Now that I'm older, the storm
    gets closer and I become petrified. There's a sense of wonder which
    turns to fear as the power of the storm becomes more evident. 
    
    Q's : _what makes me have these dreams ...can it be genetic?
    
         _does the storm getting closer as I get older mean anything
            
          appreciate any disecting!
    
                                              -Mark 
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1055.1Gone with the Wind...CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperMon May 22 1989 19:4247
    It cannot be genetic in the literal sense of the word unless in the
    sense that your gene-line contains an affinity for tornadoes of which
    both your Mother's encounter and your dreams are a manifestation.
    Life experience does not translate into genetic change.  Any
    substantial change to that statement would change the literal meaning
    of "genetic" to mean something entirely different.
    
    We cannot, however, given our current limited knowledge of
    parapsychological mechanisms rule out that somehow the concept of
    "tornado" was transfered from your mother to you paranormally.
    
    On the other hand, there is absolutely no reason to suppose that this
    occured in this case -- purely psychological mechanisms suffice.
    Tornados seem to be a fairly common dream element.  Lots of people
    dream about them vividly -- occasionally or regularly.  They are huge,
    powerful, uncontrolable, thoughtlessly destructive -- wonderful symbols
    for all sorts of things.
    
    Your knowledge of your mother's experience would make tornados
    particularly meaningful for you -- the technical term is saliant.  Even
    if you did not know that you knew about this incident, tornados could
    be saliant for you given perfectly "normal" psychological mechanisms.
    Subconscious recognition of the reaction of your mother or others
    to the word or images of tornado would suffice.
    
    Dream symbolism is very personal, so I could not say what your dreams
    mean.  You should think about the "attributes" of tornados, both in the
    abstract and in what they suggest to you in terms of associated images
    and emotional responses.  See if you can find common threads in your
    life when these dreams occur.  Look at other images/situations etc.
    in the tornado dreams -- try to figure out how they relate.
    
    Meaning of them getting closer?  Lots of possibilities 1) approaching
    the age when your mother was swept up (age of parent = age of child is
    a common subconscious association) 2) change in symbolism requiring
    an introduction of threat and insecurity 3) You were subconsciously
    getting "tired" of the distant tornados -- the close up ones are more
    interesting 4) greater stress in your life in general 5) You've seen
    some neat close-up pictures which have caused your older picture of
    a "typical" tornado as distant to be replace with a picture of a
    "typical" tornado as being up close, 6) whatever they symbolize is
    more immediate in your life, hence closer.
    
    Once you understand what they mean, then you will have a shot at
    understanding why they are closer.
    
    					Topher
1055.2the wind cries Markie SHRFAC::ADAMSMon May 22 1989 20:024
    Thanks Tpoher...you've got me thinking now! I can't wait for the
    next one. Unfortunately they only come once a year. 
    
                                   -M 
1055.3CAUTION: Tornado Xing ELMAGO::AWILLETOBeat those heathen drums...Tue May 23 1989 13:0127
    
    When I was a child, I would run into little dust devils, because
    I would enjoy the feel of the wind as it swirled around me.
    
    I was told that this behavior disturbed the wind's karma(?), and
    that I should expect the wind to return likewise a diskarmatic
    retribution.
    
    Well, a couple of years ago, I used to get very vivid and frightening
    dreams about tornadoes.  These dream tornadoes (there were always
    three) did very unusual things,
    and always never harmed me, but did dastardly things to my loved
    ones around me!  Awful dreams came almost every night!
    
    Well, this started when I moved to Albuquerque; and one evening
    when I and my girlfriend were strolling about, she mentioned the
    three dormant volcanoes that silhouette the western horizon.  I then
    somehow came to some realization that the volcanoes and the tornadoes
    were "brothers",  I then gave an apology to the volcanoes to relay
    to the tornadoes.
    
    Well, I no longer have these bad dreams.  Needless to say, I don't
    run into the path of little dustdevils anymore.
    
    T
    
1055.4Past Life Experience?FOOZLE::GOODHUEWed May 24 1989 14:1016
    As a child, and even sometimes as an adult, I had a very strong fear of
    fire during the night and would try to stay awake as late as possible
    because I was afraid of what would happen while I was sleeping.  This
    didn't affect my dreams that I remember, possibly because the fear was
    so strong that I remembered it when awake..
    
    Later I discovered that I had burned to death during a fire at night. 
    I woke up at the last minute and there was no escape.  It was such a
    horrendous experience that I carried those strong emotional effects
    into this lifetime.                                 
    
    Maybe your tornado dreams are associated with a past life
    experience(s!) with tornadoes.
    
    Meredith
                       
1055.5early childhood experienceJACOB::SULLIVANWed May 24 1989 14:3910
    Maybe as a very young child your mother simply related her experience
    to you which left a frightening & threatening impression with you.
    Over time its re-enforced through TV, stories, and other people.
    
    It culminates itself in your dreams as symbols of various fears or
    insecurities in your life.
    
    I'd tend to discount paranormal, genetic, or anything abnormal.
    
    
1055.6my 2 centsFRSBEE::STOLOSThu May 25 1989 23:5310
    up to when i was a teenager i would have these bad twister nightmares.
    which i had always thought was triggered when our house got hit
    when i was about 4. the last one i recall was a real bad one, 3
    killers touched down in front of the house. i remember not running
    and hiding that time, but standing up and looking at them filled
    with wonder. as soon as i did that the tornadoes crystalized into
    these pretty ice scuptures, kinda like those funny land masses that
    were painted on YES record covers. i never had a tornado nightmare
    after that.
    pete
1055.7Another experienceHPSTEK::WHITTENFri May 26 1989 20:5319
    I'm inclined to agree with .5 .  My wife, two children, Mother,
    and I were in a tornado in Indiana in 1973 on the same day that
    the tornado struck Xenia, Ohio.  5 of the 6 people killed in the
    town we were in a Volkswagen microbus that we passed trying to escape
    on a bridge when the wind struck.d
    	The town was heavily damaged, and all of the local people were
    in a state of severe shock.  Because we were not local, we were
    not troubled as much.  There was, however, significant long term
    effect.  
    	About two weeks later, my son and I were in a second tornado.
    He reacted intensely to the second one.  
    	To this day, the tornadoes are vivid.  We believe that God
    protected us by causing a Light pole on the bridge to drop across
    the car preventing it from being swept from the bridge as the microbus
    was.  The experience was a faith-strengthening experience for us.
    	The tornado often comes up in family discussion.  My suspicion
    is that, particularly when you were younger, your mother talked
    about the tornado a great deal.  Her experience must have been very
    frightening.