Conference hydra::dejavu

    Re .0 (Gil):
    
    I hate to ask for "more data," but it might help.  We can continue
    this offline, if you wish.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    
       *MY* advice would be to, have the house blessed by an anointed
    preacher of God.  If your friend is a Christ follower, he shouldn't
    have to worry, "knowing" who his redeemer is:  Recommend to your
    friend that, he should stay prayed and fasted up; along with that,
    he should study the inspired word of God  and don't worry about
    what the enemy can do... He (The enemy) has no power!!
    
    Lorenzo
    

    
    	The power of the enemy of Christ can be used against those who
    walk in ignorance of him. Knowledge of the spiritual realm and its
    principles and operations should be known if one is the target of
    such attacks. One must have spiritual eyes and ears and a discerning
    heart to walk through the traps and snares the enemy lays.
    
    	Find a man, in whom the Spirit of Christ is. Find one who is
    filled with the Wisdom of Spiritual Knowledge. Find a man who is
    given the Authority of God. Then allow your faith to rise up as
    the man operates militarily in the Spirit as a Commander to speak
    the Word, that the enemy might be defeated and the ground be gained
    for Jesus Christ.
    
    						Brother Bob Poland

    Re .2 (Lorenzo), .3 (Brother Bob):
    
    Hi!
    
    Although there's nothing wrong with the advice given, first and
    foremost, it might be important to see whether Gil's friend's new
    home isn't contaminated on the physical rather than the spiritual
    plane.  It's quite possible that some other agency than a supernatural
    one is at work here.  For instance: perhaps the house was insulated
    (or reinsulated) using polyfoam -- the outgassing of formaldehyde
    could cause health problems -- possibly worse for the family that
    moved in, if they have a sensitivity to that solvent.  Possibly
    there's a superfluity of another gas.  Hypothetically, it's conceivable
    that before the former owner left, he or she "fumigated" the house
    with a double- or quadruple-dose of insect poison, just to harass
    the new owners (since the former owner apparently had a grudge against
    folk of the Christian faith).  This is why I titled my base note
    "if not of natural causes" -- to cover the possibility of a medical,
    as opposed to a spiritual, problem. 
    
    If it _is_ a spiritual problem, some knowledge of what the family
    might be facing may be of help in getting rid of it.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    
    	Dear Brother Steve,
    
    		I did not take the sicknesses into account when I presented
    the former information. I took it as fact that the former tenant
    practised witchcraft of somekind and gave the words according to
    that fact. Whenever one moves into a new dwelling it is wise to
    spiritually search out the premises and exorcise any evil entity
    which may be inhabiting such a dry place.
    	This particular circumstance appeared to need a more Authoritative
    Individual, one given the awareness and faith to operate in such
    a circumstance.
    	Natural causes should be no excuse for Spiritual awareness and
    deeper perception.
    
    					Brother Bob Poland

    I tend to agree with Steve Kallis.  A relative of mine lived in
    Athol, MA.  A family moved into a house near her.  They were
    healthy people and found after living there for awhile, their health
    drastically became worst.  Apparently, they found that the insulation
    in the house was the culprit.  They eventually had to move out.
    This was over 5 years ago...so I'm not sure what happened to this
    family or whether the house has been reinsulated.  
    
    Donna
    
      

    hi,
    
     I'm afraid that I don't have a lot of info, having never been to
    my friend's abode. The information I have is second-hand for the
    most part. This is what I have been told by those who have seen
    the circle:
                  It is a wide circle made up of very large rough stones,
    no markings of any sort were mentioned.
                  
                  Upon entering into the circle without knowing the background
    of the house, or even particularly noticing the circle, a man from
    our church immediately sensed strong evil there. Having then seen
    the circle he said, "This thing has got to go !!"
    
                  The man, who was quite healthy, didn't need dialysis
    until after moving in. The previous owner showed no signs of any
    similiar sickness so I doubt that it's something in the environment
    but it could be.
    
    
      A couple of car loads of us will be going up to the house to break
    up the circle on Saturday, all the while using the gifts of the
    Holy Spirit for spiritual warfare. This is with the owners approval,
    of course.
    
      The reason that I entered this note here was to try and get some
    advice on things to look for/watch out for from the many here who
    have studied such things.
    
    Gil
    
    
                                                                        

                 
    Re.3 (RPoland)
    
    >Find a *man* who is in the Spirit of Christ...
    
    Are you just referencing _men_, or are you including women in this
    masculine pronoun above?
    
    If you are just refering to _men_, then please state why.
    
    Cindy

    
    	re: .8
    
    	Cindy,
    
    		I said, " a man ".  I was not referencing _men_.
    	I am a man, therefore I said " a man". If I were a woman perhaps
    I would not have said anything, or I would say "a women". I do not
    consider it necessary to reference to a women for I have no guilt
    nor obsession with the promotion or belittlement of women. There
    are many others who do so already and they need no help from me.

    Re.-1 (RPoland)
    
    Whoa, time out.  I think you misunderstood me.  Please be patient
    while I try to clarify, since your response to .8 was not clear.
    
    Would a woman suffice in the circumstance you outlined, or is it
    only appropriate for a _man_, in your opinion/belief structure?
    
    Cindy
    

    
    Re .10
    
    	Cindy,
    
    	I have met woman who have the anointing of Christ and who I
    sensed are in the Spirit of Christ. I have met women who were involved
    in similar circumstances who functioned in the operation and reaped
    the success of victory in Christ. They did not usurp authority but
    simply functioned, humbly, within that which Christ had given them.
    
    	I did not misunderstand you. I made my response in .8 unclear
    for a reason.  True Words are the key to the treasure of the heart.
    
    							Bob  

    RE: Curse on House!!
    
    	May I ask what type of construction material is the house made
    of?   How old is it?  Do you have any knowledge of any previous
    illnesses that anyone who may have lived in the house before may
    have had?
    
    
    	The reason I ask these questions is that some materials tend
    to hold viruses, bacteria, etc.  I remeber reading about a house
    in Ohio that a family had lived in.  I don't recall all the details
    now, but someone had died of luekemia.  Public records indicated
    that the next two families that took up residence there, also developed
    luekemia.  Yet neither had any family history of such illnesses.
    
    	Some way or other they found out the contruction of the house
    which was primarly made of cendar block, (not cement block), had
    something to do with it.  They concluded that the cendar block somehow
    contained bacteria that somehow brought about the illness.  They
    did eventually tear the house down.
    
    	Just a thought!
    
    Dan
    

    Well, its been 2 months.  Must've been a lot of stones.  I certainly
    hope by now samples of air, water, and construction materials are
    in a lab being tested, cause if the "excorcism" doesn't do the trick...
    
    I wonder what his doctor thinks is the cause.
    
    What about others living there (if any)?
                                            
    						Don