Conference hydra::dejavu

    If anybody would like to make a group excursion into Boston and
    see Lazarius at the Westin please let me know, I would love to
    go together with a bunch of you Lazarius Fans. 
    
    I use to live right next store to the Westin at Copley Place, and
    if anybody needs directions and places to park let me know... I'd
    be willing to meet at some central location and drive. I can take
    4 people in my little Honda... 
    
    What do you all think about that?
    
    Let's Do it!
    
    - Arthur
            
    P.S. Central location would be Bedford/Maynard Area.

                           -< I'll Drive, Let's GO! >-

     Central location would be Bedford/Maynard Area.

This sounds good, I work at the mill and would be able to drive some
people in also.  There is room for 3 in my car.
Arthur, maybe I could follow you in?  
Anyway, lets meet somewhere and all go in together.
Just send me mail and let me know.

Meredith

    
    How much are the tickets?
    
    Cindy

    re: Cindy-roo
    
        What's it worth to you?   :-)  :-D  ; ; ;)
    
    Frederick
    

    I heard the tickets were $40.00 through Concept Synergy.  
    
    
    I am expecting a call from Marsha Woolf regarding more information
    on tickets as well.
    
    - Arthur

    

    
    	What, typically, happens in a session like this?  Any fixed agenda?
    	I am open_minded about this subject. I want to know if it is
    	worth my time.  Perhaps, somebody who has previously attended
    	a session like this will be able to answer my question.
    
    	Thanks in advance.
    
    	Ravi

    re: .6
      
         As far as I am aware, among DEJAVUers I am the only one to
    have gone to a Lazaris workshop (so far ;-) )  Typically, for an
    evening (formerly Sunday afternoon) session, everyone is seated
    at the appointed time and Jach enters the room.  Everyone stands
    up and then kneels profoundly...NO, NO!!  just kidding!  Jach
    takes the microphone given to him by an assistant and then talks
    to everyone for perhaps 5-10 minutes.  Then he hands the microphone
    to his assistant who then makes a few announcements while Jach 
    removes his glasses, closes his eyes and goes into trance (which
    typically takes about 1 minute.)  Lazaris is "there" before we
    notice a change in facial expression, by the way...those sensitive
    to auras may notice a pink light surrounding Jach's body at this
    time.  Anyway, the session goes on similar to what you might have
    heard on audio tapes...somewhat the same as the video tapes.  Lazaris
    talks for about an hour and a half then allows for a 20 minute or
    so break, then starts the second portion (again, typically) with
    a meditation...which is usually 20-30 minutes long.  It is advisable
    (for maximum benefit) to remain conscious (i.e. awake) for the
    meditation.  After the meditation, he will resume his talk (on whatever
    the topic for the day is) and conclude with a blending during the
    final 15-20 minutes.  Sometimes the session will run perhaps as
    much as ten minutes past the time it is due to end.  At the end,
    he says "Love and Peace" and within seconds, Jach is back.  At this
    point (after Jach opens his eyes) it is customary to applaud.  Other
    than occasional laughter, unless this is a session which has a 
    question and answer portion, that is the extent of audience
    interaction.  Approximately 90-95% of the audience will take notes
    during a workshop.  It is definitely not mandatory, but I think
    it is useful to go prepared to take notes.  Also, Concept:Synergy
    will have a table set up in the back of the room which will have
    tapes and crystals, etc. for sale, along with schedules for 
    workshops, etc.  That is there for their sales and your convenience,
    obviously.  
         Most people tend to like Lazaris, even if they don't care for
    other parts of the "experience."  So, even the skeptics (you know
    who they are by noticing the lack of pencil and paper and the
    crossed arms  ;-)  ) generally find the session okay.  To really
    benefit, though, I think it is useful to make as much effort as
    possible to "get into" the program.  You only have my word that
    "nothing is going to happen to you" (in a negative sense) but
    I will stand by that anyway.  I think the workshops are exciting
    (hearts pounding, etc.) and entertaining.  The value can only
    be determined by you...for me the value is immense.  
         If you want any more detail, let me know and I will attempt
    to answer.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    Re. Frederick - Ha ha!  That was great!
    
    RE. Arthur - Any more news on the arrangements?  I'm interested in going.
    
    Cindy

        Oh, and something else I might add...tape recorders are not
    allowed and you should check with Concept:Synergy if you have 
    a camera you feel compelled to take.  Usually in the past, cameras
    and picture-taking have also not been allowed.
        As for seating, anywhere is just fine.  Lazaris has always 
    commented on it, with humor, saying that the distance between
    us and the speakers (usually mounted in the ceiling in most large
    hotels) is the same for each of us, therefore negating the advantage
    of sitting up front as far as "hearing" Lazaris is concerned.  As
    for seeing, obviously it is easier to "see" from up front.  As for
    being with Lazaris, I can do that from where I sit right now, so
    sitting in a particular spot in a hotel in Boston wouldn't make
    that much difference.  I have no idea how many people can meet in
    the room selected there in Boston nor how many "Bostonians" will
    attend.  In San Francisco, the typical (the past two years) crowds
    are anywhere from 600-1000 people.  
             
    Frederick
    

    Cindy and all who want to Join Us,
    
    So far there is tenative plans to form a Lazaris Pilgrimage Caravan
    to the most Holy City Boston, MA starting in the lesser Holy City
    of Bedford, MA ;-) It seems that we will meet at Digital Shrine
    Bldg D in Bedford and travel down the Storrow Drive Path to the
    most sacred Prudential Tower, where we will park, and amass, and
    then seek food and drink at a local humble tavern before entering the
    glitter and gold of Copley Place.
                                                                         
    Time for the departure from the lesser Holy City of Bedford, MA
    and Digital Shrine Bldg D have not been etched into the Stone Tablets
    as of yet. As the journey date approaches I assume the stone carver
    will be employed, and all who want to join the pilgrimage will have
    the time made known to their seeking heart and minds...
                                      
    Stay Tuned...
    
    -Arthur
                                                          

WOW, Arthur, that was something...

Please remember friends, I am at the Mill and have room for 3.
Otherwise see you at the lesser than holy city...Bedford?

Meredith

    re: Arthur
    
         I think it's great that so many of you can do this "pilgrimage"
    (myself: my initial journey to visit Lazaris was done with about
    seven or eight friends who belonged to the same group I did at the
    time.)  
         I feel a bit embarassed, I will admit, at the "reverence."
    Though I admire Lazaris immensely (along with love, respect, gratitude,
    etc.) he is *not* or should not be in a position of "worship."
    My girlfriend spent four days in an Intensive wth Lazaris the
    week before last in Los Angeles and got to work one-on-one (while
    the 250 others present observed) with him.  While perhaps most of
    what she had to talk about is not relevant to what I am saying here,
    some of it is.  Lazaris made it a point to demonstrate to her that
    she was projecting FATHER onto him (sometimes this is called
    "giving your power away.")  And the big part of that is that eventually
    those ties MUST be broken (taking your power back.)  What happens,
    though, is that knowing this brings on a tremendous fear...a fear of
    abandonment.  This problem is not unique to my girlfriend; in fact,
    quite the opposite (which is *why* this was being *shared* with the
    group.) So, while I am not saying that we are doing that, I am
    mentioning it in the hopes that we are aware of the pitfall that has
    for us and that we should strive to think of Lazaris as a friend,...
    (albeit a very wise and massively loving friend, in my view.) 
    In fact, we could *project father* onto all of metaphysics, but
    this is a digression of massive possibilities.  
         I am not at all critical of having fun with this whole scene...
    I only write this so that others will recognize that there are
    some distinctions here that should be made.  Which is again why
    I say that Lazaris is not a threat of any kind...the only threat
    is that our egos will run off and sabotage us.  Anyway, I do hope
    that all of you have as much fun as I believe you can have with
    this.  (For those of you who drink coffee, you might avail yourselves
    to it...so as to not lose anything on account of falling asleep--
    which, by the way, is a negative ego ploy.)
    
    Frederick
    

    re: Frederick,
    
    The "Reverence" I displayed in the pilrimage note was all hopefully
    taken Tongue-In-Cheek....that was the way I intended it, maybe
    it was alittle too thick on the spiritual syrupy side....?
    
    Anyways...
    
    It was my way really of trying to *NOT* to give away your personal
    power to the Big "L", in our visit to Boston, and to hopefully by
    reading between the lines of the note, we wouldn't be *too serious*
    and just have some fun. I know we will have some fun together...
                                                       
    -Arthur                                                   
    -Arthur

    What gifts of coin are required to visit with Lazaris (and the other
    hundreds of attendees)...???  I work in the even Lesser Holy City
    of Tewksbury and live in the North Holy Land (Metro) Area, and am
    interested in going.  Perhaps if there is room in the Bedford
    Pilgrimage...
    
    					George
    

    re:  Arthur
    
          I got it the first time...no problema aqui'!
    
    re:  Gorge'
     
          Payment shall be three beaded necklaces, 1 chicken and
    servitute for 6 months from 2 of your first born sons.  Also,
    two large Domino's pizzas, one combination, the other olives and
    pepperoni.  (veggies can pull the pepperonis off!)
    
    Frederick
    

re: .15

    > Also, two large Domino's pizzas, one combination, the other olives and
    pepperoni.  (veggies can pull the pepperonis off!)

    Do I smell anchovies (of the cosmic kind)???

    Terry    

                
    As an aside...
    
    It's interesting, Frederick, that you mention staying awake, negative
    ego, etc.  I found that when I did my first Lazaris meditation (with 
    the audio tape), I had a mild migraine and under the circumstances 
    would have bagged it for another time thinking I couldn't possibly 
    concentrate, but instead I went ahead with it anyway and had fantastic 
    results.  And the migraine was gone at the end too.
                      
    Will note how I feel during the evening session.
    
    Arthur - should I begin crawling on my knees in order to make it
    to Bedford on time?  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    .... but who is this guy Lazaris/Jach/whoever? I ssume some sort
    of medium/communicator with the "other side"??
    
    Brian

    
    Re: .18
    
    	Jach Pursel, I currently believe, is one of many who is marketing
    the lucrative gibberish of the unconscious. :-)  :-)  :-)  ect.
    ect.  ect....
    
    	But I must confess I have not read much of Lazaris and have
    only seen pictures of Jach....He does wear a nice watch though,
    ..Hummmm..."would Lazaris wear a Rolex on his Tele..." Never Mind..
    :-) :-) :-) 
    
    Craig-who-shall-go-back-to-"if-you-can't-say-something-nice-dont..."
                

    OK, so he's making money .......    But who is/was/si supposed to
    be "Lazaris"???
    
    Curious

re :20

	Here's a chance to use *my* psychic powers.

	I feel a reply from Frederick coming on ;-)))

	Terry

        Lazaris is the channeled energy which comes through Jach.
    There are other notes that refer to him, if you wish to know
    more...406, 288, 316, 358...there's enough reading there to
    keep one busy for a couple of days.  ;-)
    
        While the "craze" may have started this year for you in your conscious
    awareness of the consensus reality, for others, before the "craze",
    Lazaris started channeling *With the same consistency* in 1974...
    fully public in 1979 (though by invitation only) and accessible
    to all in 1985.
                                                     
        If you don't want to read notes, you may pick up any of three
    Lazaris books ($10 each) "The Sacred Journey"  or "Interviews..."
    (parts I and II.)
    
    Frederick
    (who-heard-this-week-that-RAmtha-is-no-longer-"coming-through")
    

    re: .22
    
    >
    Frederick
    (who-heard-this-week-that-RAmtha-is-no-longer-"coming-through")
    
    Any particular reason WHY?
    
    Dan

    re: .23
    
         Many people, both privately and publically, have been saying
    that there has been an apparent "shift" in Ramtha's energy over
    the past couple of years.  Whether or not Ramtha has discontinued
    coming through at this time is still a rumor as far as I am 
    concerned.  Since I first heard/saw Ramtha (about 5 years ago,
    I think,) though I found him amusing and entertaining...and
    even admit to hearing some pretty good things from him, I never
    felt that he was that highly evolved.  This is consistent with
    much of what I have learned about energies that manifest from
    "lower levels".  I do not believe that Ramtha has come to us
    from anything beyond the Astral plane and may be either evolving
    beyond/back/past or may have been "pulling our legs" all along.
    So, if the "rumor" is true, it is open to conjecture at this point
    (insofar as my awareness is concerned.)
    
    Frederick
    

    $10 per book. $40 per public session.  I wonder what Lazaris does
    with all the money.
    
    						Don

    re: .25
       
         That question has been answered.  Please check out note 288
    or, very recently, a note on VALUE.  
    
        
    P.s.  Lazaris doesn't have need for money.  Concept:Synergy, however,
    is a different matter.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    
    Hi all,
    
    I'm interested in attending the Lazaris lecture.  Are there
    still plans for a group to go into Boston together?  If so,
    can someone provide more details?
    
    Thanks,
    Carole
    

     
    Ro and I are connecting up here in S.New Hampshire and then (I think)
    meeting Arthur down at Mecca (Bedford).
    
    Just ordered my ticket a couple of days ago through Concept Synergy 
    and had no problem.
    
    Cindy

         As another afterthought, it may be that Jach has a book
    signing session afterward, as he has had during several of the
    workshops in 1988.  Someone may be interested enough to call
    and ask.  If so, those who would be interested in getting up
    "close" to Jach, and have him sign a/his/Lazaris' book, should
    go prepared to do so.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    
    Hi, it's me again :-).....
    
    I was able to get a ticket for the Lazaris session, so please
    keep me in the loop for any info on the meeting time/place.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Carole

    
    Just right before I relocated to the Bedford Facility, Fred mentioned
    about Lazari will be held in Boston...I thought this sounds good
    to me, I am interested in going only if they provide a sign language
    interpeter. Do they provide one?
    
    
    Kevin
    

    Hi, Kevin!
    
          I hope your move "back East" went smoothly (you're missed
    here, by the way.)  As far as I am aware, Concept:Synergy has
    never provided someone who signs...although it may not hurt to
    ask.
          I have mixed ideas about hearing or not hearing Lazaris.
    It is true (in my awareness) that we do not need to "hear" him
    in order to benefit from him...certainly there are written words,
    and, for many others, there is the "feeling" of him.  In fact, he
    has repeatedly (for many important reasons) told us the story 
    (usually during a blending) about a woman who came to him many
    years ago with a problem, which was that she had a son who was 26 years old,
    deaf and severely retarded.  The difficult part was that he often
    had temper tantrums and he was 6 feet tall and 200 pounds.  Anyway,
    Lazaris says that though the man could not hear him audibly, he
    talked with him just the same and recorded the conversation.  He says that
    he talked to him on many levels, levels of which the man had no
    conscious awareness.  And though much of what the audible part of
    the conversation was for the mother's sake, apparently many parts
    of the conversation could be "felt" by the man.  She subsequently
    related that on many ocassions (later) that while the man was having
    his tantrum, she would play the tape (on her recorder) and the man
    would calm down.  For it is clear to all observation that the peace
    and tranquility which Lazaris conveys to most of us, could also be
    discerned by this man who was both retarded and deaf. (Incidentally,
    the man was somehow able to convey to his mother that he "felt"
    Lazaris as a ball of light...and out of deference to this friendship,
    Lazaris will usually have us visualize him as a ball of light, though
    he has no form, since if was good enough for this retarded and deaf
    man, it is also "good enough" for us.)  So, Kevin, I do not have
    any idea what kind of impact Lazaris would have for you in person.
    Clearly, it would reach you in different ways than would reach most
    of the rest of us.  I would truly enjoy knowing about your experience,
    however, should you choose to go.  I have little doubt that you
    could feel the "electricity" in the room and could be moved by
    the energy there, but whether that's worth your effort or not is
    only determinable by you.  I suggest you have someone call in your
    behalf.  Maybe there is a reality whereby several deaf people
    wish to go and can "pool" their experience.
    
         Much success to you!
    
    Frederick
    

    re: WRO8A::WARDFR
    
    	Is Lazaris on tour?  Are there conferences planned in other
    cities across the states?  If so, do you know what ones, and what
    dates?
    
    Dan
    

    re: Dan (.33)
    
        Lazaris is not exactly on "tour."  He "used to" be only in
    Marin (near San Francisco) then added Los Angeles ocassionally.
    Then they picked up (added more) to the LA connection and then
    had dabblings in other cities (Denver, Seattle, Atlanta, Philadel-
    phia, etc.)  After the staff moved to Los Angeles (two homes, one
    in Beverly Hills, the other at Lake Arrowhead) then they held
    workshops primarily in Los Angeles and San Francisco. That remains
    the case although they have increased the number and times at
    other cities throughout the U.S.  Please see note 406 for schedules.
    The current list of scheduling is solid through this month only.
    Beginning next month, the schedule appears less solidly formed
    through the remainder of 1988.  Moving to Florida two months ago
    has caused them to shuffle their desires somewhat, so I am not
    too certain what 1989 will look like.  I do know that publically
    they have stated that San Francisco will remain as a highly
    visited city, along with LA.  Atlanta has been the third most
    visited city up until now, with Seattle probably as number four.
    Philadelphia has been visited a couple of times, as has been
    Tampa.  This visit to Boston is the first, I think.  Anyway,
    as soon as I receive any kind of schedule, I will place it
    into note 406.
    
    Frederick
    

Denver, goodie.  I had a dream that next time Lazaris comes to Denver, I engage 
him in a private session and he tells me some very important (to me) things.

I can connect with Isis Bookstore in Denver, and they ought to know if he 
comes.  When I find out, I'll post it in here, under a topic about Lazaris.

m

    re: Meredith
    
        I could probably tell you some important things too if you
    *engaged* me in a private session with you! ;-)  ;-D  ;-0
    
        No, but ceriusly, if you *really* want to talk with him,
    it is available.  Call Concept:Synergy and get them to mail you
    a little form they have which specifies what you would like
    (in terms of consultation--whether regular schedule or "floating")
    and then you get "scrutinized" somehow.  Actually, I don't know
    the exact process, but they somehow "select" names to get to talk
    to Lazaris on the "floating" schedule (two months hence) (duration
    of 30 minutes.)  Each month starts anew...that is, each month requires
    a new submittal.  For the regular schedule, the list is now
    3 years long...the last time I applied I was turned down (although
    I was accepted for the floating schedule.) Otherwise, it is highly
    unlikely that you could ever talk with him (in physical reality)
    unless it is during an Intensive-type of workshop.  
         I will admit that there are many other sources which could
    be just as valuable (depending on what information you are seeking.)
    So, I would suggest making it either (1) really worth your energy
    or (2) easy on yourself.
    
    Frederick
    

    



    I received my ticket for the "Big L" in the mail last night
    from Aternative Resources...
    
    -Arthur

    
    Ticket received here as well.
    
    Anyone else who's going have this feeling that something extremely 
    significant is going to happen?  I do.  It feels very positive.
    
    Cindy

    
    
    I receive my ticket yesterday.  I'm really looking forward
    to this.
    
    Carole

    My wife and I have now received our "Lazaris in Boston" tickets too.
    We are both looking forward to finally seeing/experiencing/assessing
    Lazaris for ourselves.
    
    The topic "Emotional Strengths" (ie. finding your own) also seems
    particularly worthwhile and very appropriate for our initial exposure.
    I am much happier with this topic than one of the less personal_growth
    type of lectures which he sometimes gives such as Lemuria Revisited, ...
    Maybe later I will be more interested in that, but it seems that from
    this topic we will get a very good idea of whether Lazaris's teachings
    really hit home and are useful to us or not.

      With_an_open_mind_and_my_trusty_quartz_crystal_at_the_ready,

        	    						Todd

    re: Todd (and interested others)
    
         I attended the workshop with that title on Thursday of
    last week.  A friend of mine that lives in Virginia who was out
    here for a visit also attended.  Though she has had some exposure
    to Lazaris in the past (from tapes, book and me ;-)  ) she was
    afraid that it would be "over her head."  Though she was jet-lagged
    pretty badly (from having arrived that p.m.,) she managed and enjoyed it.
         I would rather not say too much about it to all of you, since
    you will perhaps have more fun if I don't, but I did find it rather
    "typical" for one of his workshops.  There was plenty to pique your
    intellectual curiousity and the meditation was one that you could
    use over and over (on your own) and he even mentioned its use this
    past weekend during the 2-day.  I will say that it *is* a rather
    "safe" workshop from the standpoint of most DEJAVUers, and the
    topic is definitely useful.
         Incidentally, the Lemuria workshops were not *just* on Lemuria...
    Lemuria was used as a focal point only because the level of development
    of the humanity at the time of Lemuria was one which we can use
    as a model and therefore it was used in more or less that fashion.
     
         
    Frederick 
    p.s.  The information this past weekend was fabulous.  It dealt
    mostly around the ego.  Some day I hope to enter a separate,
    comprehensive note on Lazaris' definitions of the ego...which in
    my mind are the most complete, thorough, significant treatises
    (on ego) ever conceived in our reality.  Later, however.
             

    
    
    Hi Frederick,
    
    Do you know if they allow tape recorders?
    
    C.

    Carole,
    
    I won't tell them if you don't.
    
    -Arthur  (A-KGB-Spy-In-A-Former-Life)
    
    
    

    
    
    Arthur, you devil!! :-)
    
    I can just see it now....I bring the tape recorder and tape, set
    it up so no one can see it, check it out to see if it's recording
    properly, go home....turn it on....only to find that....
    
    
    it's blank!!!!!!! :-)
    
    C.

    Carole,
    
    Maybe Lazaris will be short on Words and High on Telepathic 
    Communications that night...? ;-)
    
    -Arthur  

    re: Carole
    
         No, definitely not.  Sure, you could sneak it and probably
    get away with it...the level of integrity one uses cannot be judged by
    anyone else.
         As a related sort of subject, during the workshop yesterday
    Lazaris mentioned (and this is woefully out of the context of the
    conversation) that he has upon ocassion received calls from people
    who will ask him what the Lotto numbers for the week are.  He says
    he tells them "thank you very much for calling, this concludes our
    conversation" and ends the call.  He admonishes us on the importance
    that our spirituality holds for us and that we similarly denegrate
    it and insult it by asking that type of question of our "inner voices"
    (the "unseen friends": counselors, anima, animus, future self,
    Higher Self, etc.)  They are there for our growth, not for our
    negative ego amusement.  He, however, will absolutely refuse to play upon
    our negative ego gameboards.  He will not judge you or make you
    wrong, however, should you chose to play in that milieu.  He is
    here as a friend, not to be taken advantage of (in a manipulative
    sense of that word.)  Obviously, we are free to believe or not,
    to be spiritual or not (by whatever definition[s].)  Anyway, I
    strongly urge people not to set themselves up by attempting to
    "circumvent" procedures or understandings, etc.  This applies to
    cameras, as well (although they have allowed them on at least
    a couple of ocassions by at least a couple of individuals who perhaps 
    obtained permission first.)
                                         
         I hope this doesn't send too heavy somehow, yet this past weekend
    gave me yet another level of understanding...and my life is far
    more serious than it was last week (yet just as playful...just not
    as harmful.)  I hesitate to throw "out there" many of the things
    I have learned, especially as they "came together" yesterday and
    the day before, but a part of me really would like to offer it to
    many of you.  I may do so later in the week...I will say this much,
    however.  *IF* you enjoy Lazaris, and *if* your experiences are
    positive, then please do yourself a favor at least one time and
    attend a 2-day.  The wealth of information and the emotional experience
    of the meditations is incredible.  Nothing I say here can be as
    true for you as your own experience.  Again, the Saturday night
    healing meditations are awesome...the concluding meditations are
    far beyond what most of you have probably ever experienced
    meditationally.  Though there is an ocassional 3-4 hour workshop
    that has a similar tremendous impact, it doesn't usually have
    the opportunity do go into the same depth, as one could figure.
    If you go to the Thursday session looking for a "patty-cake"
    seminar (a term Lazaris used to describe seminars wherein people
    spend time meeting their neighbors, taking extensive breaks, discussing
    ad nauseum points made in short talks, etc.) you'll undoubtably
    be disappointed.  I urge you to take a pencil or pen and some paper...
    that is if you wish to retain information (even if your name
    is Steve Kallis, Jr.  ;-)  ) for there will be information presented
    that is more clearly seen on paper.  All this from a "being" who
    goes without any notes. :-)
    
        enough!
    
    Frederick
    

    
    
    Frederick,
    
    Thanks for getting back on this.  I hope you are able to see the
    playfulness in my and Arthur's notes.  I don't often let that 
    impish part of me express, and it's healthy for me to do so.  I
    also hope that you know that if I weren't considerate of the
    specific procedures for this seminar, I never would have asked
    about taping in the first place - I would have just done it.  I
    asked only because their was the possibility of a meditation being
    given that I may consider useful enough to repeat when at home.
    
    Carole

    Frederick,
    
    I think I'll just shutup, my sense of humor seems to be
    getting alittle under your skin. 
    
    Pals,
    -Arthur

    re: Carole and Arthur
    
         Sorry, did not mean to squelch your humor in any way.  It
    is interesting sometimes how different people react to whatever
    it is we think is funny...certainly I'm no less "guilty" (responsible?
    or irresponsible?) that way than anyone else.  What I attempted
    to do, however, in this case, is to help you avoid any potential
    ego traps.  I had a very "enlightening" experience in front of
    500 people at a workshop 2 years ago...(sorry,no details...)and I know
    how potentially damaging our statements can be.  While I now
    understand it as an ego ploy, others may not be so quick to recognize
    or acknowledge that.  Also, others may not readily see the levels
    of respect that are held.  I believe that I gave you a little less
    credit here than you deserved, so that is my failing.  Please don't
    throw away your humor...it is extremely valuable...if possible,
    however, recognize it as either adult humor or the more destructive
    adolescent or child humor.  Boy, I'm trying to make this lighter
    and I feel like I'm just thickening the soup.  So, try to ignore
    my "heaviness" and glean the data that is useful to you from what
    I have said.  (After what I heard [and experienced] yesterday I am just
    a bit more inclined to "err" on the side of caution, that's all.)
    
         Be assured that if you act responsibly, you will have no
    difficulties having a pleasant experience with our friend, "the
    Big L".  Maybe I'm the one who should shut up sometimes, n'est-ce-
    pas?
    
    Frederick
    

    I received my Lazaris ticket in the mail and am really looking
    forward to the seminar as well as meeting some of the 'dejavuers'.
    
    I was tempted to order a ticket for my 15 year old son, but
    thought I'd better check it out for myself first.  He has always
    been sensitive in a spiritual way.  At two years old, he talked
    about reincarnation and his 'soulmate'.  Frederick, what do you
    think about teenagers attending Lazaris' workshops?
    
    Ro
    

    re:  .50
    
         I have seen some from time to time...and as the father of one
    myself (17 + years old) [damn, now some of you are going to think
    I'm ancient!!  ;-) ,] I have been interested, too.  I think you
    will know on the basis of your interactions with your child(ren.)
    My son has a "born again" mother and hasn't lived with me for a
    while; therefore, it is almost a pressure situation, i.e., I
    get to force him to do it...that makes me and whatever the situation
    is to be "bad guys" and I don't like doing it.  (I did sort of 
    manipulate him to seeing "the Last Temptation of Christ" a few
    weeks ago, though.)  I really believe it is a situation that cannot
    be generalized.  There is a massive ego obstacle at those ages
    (in which chronologically/biologically they are in the throes of)
    and it is not easy (necessarily) to overcome.  It really requires
    knowing the child and the situation.  Lots of factors and not
    easy ones.  If, however, the child *wants* to go, then let him/her
    listen to a tape, first and discover how well he/she understands
    and appreciates.  Then,  at that point, it may be a neat thing
    to do together.  
          Usually, most people are in their late twenties, at least,
    before they get involved.  Similar to the DEJAVU community.
    
    Frederick
    

    
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               /            .           .       .       .     \
              /    Any of you Pilgrims who want to drive into  \
             |.   Boston together to see LaZARis, try and meet  |
             |  . here in Bedford, the second Digital entrance  |
             |    off of Crosby Drive, at Bldg. F, the small    |
             |    one story brickfaced building on the hill, .  |
             |    on the right, at 5:30->5:45PM October 13th.   |
             | .                   .                         .  |
             |   .            .          .   .   - Arthur       |
             |         .        .         .                  .  |
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                ( Consider This Announcement Etched In Stone )
                                     ;-)
                                   

    I have two extra tickets to see Lazaris Thursday nite. If anyone
    is interested in them, contact me via Vaxmail or 264-2542.
    
    Dan

        I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I thought
    I would add this for the benefit of anyone for whom it might be
    a question.
        As we have talked about in many notes here, there are many forms
    of meditation with different applications and intentions.  Along
    with that there are "right" ways and "wrong" ways to do whatever
    it is that the attempt is.  Actually, there are just methods that
    may be more effective or more appropriate than others, like with
    most other things.  To this extent, the meditations Lazaris conducts
    have similar levels of appropriateness.  His meditations are 
    guided meditations using visualizations (or the feeling that the
    visual imagery provides) and is most often most effective if done
    consciously and as "deep" or relaxed as possible.  While going to
    sleep or drifting off don't negate the experience (for that matter,
    it is always possible to gain more in some cases than doing it the
    "right" way may have provided,) it has always been recommended by
    Lazaris that we work at remaining conscious for the greatest effect
    from the meditation.  For those of you who have worked with his
    meditations before and have no problem with them, then keep on doing
    what you do; for those who think that the 10 p.m. meditation may
    provide difficulty, I suggest a couple of things:  for me, I don't
    drink coffee usually and drinking it is very effective for staying
    awake for a short period of time...what I don't like about drinking
    coffee is that it ocassionally gives me the "shakes" and also doesn't
    allow me to go as deep into the meditation as I would like.  Another
    method that has limited success for me, but is one that Lazaris
    recommends is the repeating of the words (mentally) that he speaks,
    for instance, "you are walking down the path" and you repeat the
    words "I am walking down the path" at least once...then if there
    is a pause, say to yourself mentally "pause" "pause" "pause" as
    long as the pause takes.  Lazaris says that if you are talking,
    it is very difficult to lose consciousness this way (My problem
    sometimes is that I "drift off" into some other imagery and "lose"
    whatever the requested image was.)  Another thing that helps is
    to not make oneself *too* comfortable...if one is likely to fall
    asleep then one shouldn't lay on the floor.  Even standing up
    can provide "motivation" for staying awake (nothing like a fall
    from an upright position to discourage falling asleep! ;-)   )
    So, if there isn't a problem for you, then ignore what I have
    written...if there is a problem or you think there might be, then
    these suggestions are worth the effort in utilization.
    
         I hope all of you who go not only satisfy your curiousity
    but actually have fun and maybe even obtain some value out of the
    experience for yourselves.  (We'll read about it on Friday, I
    suppose.)  Lazaris' energy is very loving...see if you can't
    have some of it rub off on you!  :-)
    
    Frederick
    

    The extra tickets I had are gone. Thanks for the response and let's
    have a good time tomorrow nite.
    
    re: -1
    
    thanks for the info Frederick.
    
    dan

        Is anybody home?
    
    
    Frederick
    

    
    
    
    Hiya Frederick and everyone else!
    
    I wish you could see the grin on my face right now!  I was being
    an imp last night and suggested that we not enter anything in this
    note today until you did! :-)
    
    I thoroughly enjoyed the evening with Lazaris.  He is warm and
    gentle and humorous, and the message that he gave (on Strengths)
    was very useful and was given with a lot of love and humor and
    honesty.  It was well worth the money, the ride to Boston, and
    the late hour getting home.  He did say that they are planning
    to do more things in Boston, and I'm looking forward to the
    opportunity to do a weekend workshop with him.  Excellent 
    teaching and support!
    
    I've written up my notes from the evening and will be entering
    them in another reply.
    
    Carole 
    
    P.S.  My new personal name is directly connected to last evening's
           experience, and will be apparent when you read my next
           reply :-)

	Here are the notes......
    
    
	Lazaris on Emotional Strengths 10-13-88
	---------------------------------------

	There was an initial talk about blockages which need to be seen
	and owned.  The 80's were about finding our blockages and owning
	them; the 90's are about finding our strengths and using them.


	What is strength?  Strengths are assets that meet certain criteria
	of 4 types:

	1.  Flexible and expansive instead of rigid and stagnant.

	2.  A foundation for current action and an impetus for future
	    action.

	3.  Use to solve problems through awareness and action rather
	    than a substitution.

	4.  Dynamic - it requests and requires you to be more than you
	    are.  To stretch.  To grow.

	Therefore, a strength can be anything you do!


	Areas of Weakness (Blockages)
	-----------------

	. Arrogance - your specialness (negative type).  Either you
	              are superior to everyone else ("I'm much more
		      spiritual than they are", etc.) or you are less
	              than everyone else ("Oh, poor me - my problems
	              are much worse than yours are, etc.").  Both of
	     	      these stem from anger.

		    - your grandiosity (what we don't speak about)  
		      "Someday I'll show them.  Then they'll know!
		      This stems from hostility.

	. Demand for Perfection - in anything!  Perfection is static.
	    It is the antithesis of creativity.  With this demand you
	    are always failing.  If God/Goddess/All-That-Is is perfect, 
	    than there is no room for you! God/Goddess/All-That-Is is 
	    always changing, not static.  Perfection is the bedpartner
	    of arrogance.   You are always trying to be superior to
	    everyone else.

	. Fear of Impact - usually our childhood experiences form
	    negativity around this.  We have impact all the time!

	. Not Being Real - Self-esteem is the key.  We need to embrace
	    self-love - we have to accept it - you can't earn it!  Self-
	    esteem is earned.  We are always seeking it - either real
	    or false esteem.  False esteem is when  you stop feeling and
	    thinking - just surviving - lowering your expectations, your
	    standards.

	  Living on intentions and aspirations - I'll do it when I have
	    time!  Always waiting for someday!  Time is never there 
	    unless you create it.

	  Outside validation - needed to give you feedback but it is lousy
	    for self-esteem because others are not always there.

	  Being honest, having integrity and taking responsibility for
	    your life, spontaneously.  No one can give this to you and
	    no one can take it away.  Being real.  Trust yourself!  Even
	    if things go wrong, you can fix them.  Dont' punish or hurt
	    others because you had a bad day!
	
	. Fear of Visibility/Vulnerability - showing the real you 
	    (I'm too laughable, too weak, too awful).  We're afraid
	    of our skeletons.

	. You Don't Know The Next Step (what strength is).

	. Addictions - We are addicted to our own payoffs (self-pity,
	    righteousness, dependence on others, fear of happiness, etc.
	    - addictions to false assets).


	What are our strengths?  There are 14 categories of strength.

	1. Creativity - awareness and action - anything you do that
	     inspires conception and perception.  It's action is
	     Productivity - doing something in a way that you learn about
	     yourself.

	2. Discerning Value - it's actions are opinions, evaluations and
	     making decisions.  An opinion becomes a judgement when you
	     attach a spiritual criteria to it.  Judging is not wrong -
	     but it is hurtful, for yourself and for others.

	3. Courage - work in a co-creative way.  Commitment is the action
	     of courage.

	4. Forgiveness - knowing what requires it, and then take the
	     action.

	5. Being Curious - it's action is intellect.

	6. Empathy - not sympathy.  *Feel* what someone is going through.
	     Caring and intimacy are the actions.

	7. Imagination - Powerful will is the action.


      **** These first 7 are called the Responsibility Strengths ****


	The next 7 are mirrors of the first 7.

	8. Dream/Have Vision (connected to Imagination) - for yourself
	     and for the world.  Act on the vision no matter what the 
	     world is like.

	9. Humor (connected to Empathy) - see humor in the world.  Create
	     humor as well.  Have integrity.  Don't have humor at the
	     expense of others.

       10. Leadership with Impact (connected to Curiosity) - willingness
	     and decisiveness to step out, even when it's not popular or
	     even if it is.

       11. Love (connected to Forgiveness) - receiving, giving and being
	     loved.  Most of us can give love, receiving is much more
	     difficult.  Being loved - willing to be different because 
	     I am loved.  I want to be a different person because you love
	     me.  [and we are loved right now!]

       12. Communication (connected with Courage) - the action is 
	     perception and conception in new ways (not just talking).
	     Always have a part of yourself included.

       13. Aesthetics (connected with Discernment) - Seeing the beauty
	     and harmony in the world.  Being spiritual - relating to the
	     essence of God/Goddess/All-That-Is.

       14. Passion of Understanding (connected to Creativity) - have
	     compassion of wisdom.  Understanding is learning and inte-
	     grating what's learned to completion and satisfaction.
	     Wisdom is living the completion and satisfaction.


	          **** These 7 are the Power Strengths ****


	Here are some suggested techniques to assist in finding your
	strengths.

	. Look at the list of strengths and see what you do within
	  each (you may not have anything under some of them!)  Then
	  go back and see if the ones you identified meet the four
	  criteria.  If they do, they are strengths.  If they don't,
	  they are assets.  Don't work more than 30 minutes at a time
	  on this.

	. Take a sheet of paper and make two columns  - What I do well/
	  What I enjoy doing.

	  Do some brainstorming - for no more than 20 minutes at a time.
	  Don't evaluate as you are listing them.  Evaluate them when
	  you are done, but do it lovingly.  Than see where they fit in
	  with the strengths, and meeting the four criteria.

	. Make a list of what people tell you about yourself and then
	  see where they fit in the strengths, etc.

	. (We did a meditation earlier and here Lazaris suggested we
	   do the same meditation at home).

	. Remove armor of blockages and put on the cloak of strengths.
	  (This was a very humorous segment as Lazaris described a
	   variety of different types of armor :-))  As you do this,
	  really get into what each type of blockage would look like
	  if it were worn as a piece of clothing, and then see your-
	  self removing it - try and really feel the material and hear
	  the sounds it makes,etc.  Strip to your birthday suit - be
	  vulnerable.  Than really visualize what your cloak of
	  strengths would look like and feel like and wrap it around
	  yourself.

       .  Be with your Higher Self (a humanized version) and do
	  something that's fun.  Just be together.  You don't have
	  to talk with each other.  Do this for about 20 minutes.
	  Just hang out and do some of your favorite things!  Then
	  turn to your Higher Self and ask "what are my strengths?"
	  "What do I need to work with?"

	Find your strengths, and then find the appropriate actions.

    Pilgrims,
    
    I must say that I enjoyed LaZARis very much. From my point of
    view it was like going to the Spiritual Commedy Connection...;-)
    
    LaZARis has such a weatlh of Good Humor (with Integrity) that I
    was almost rolling off of my seat. This is what struck home with
    me the most, was his sense of Humor. I found his Humor very pointed
    and inspirational. Something that I didn't expect. I was thinking
    that this meeting would be alot more somber and sober. That thought
    was canned in the first few minutes. As tears of laughter were rolling
    down my face. 8-)
    
    I can feel the sense of friendship with LaZARis alot more clearly,
    then reading his books and listening to his tapes. This connection
    of friendship, and the Big "L's" humor was very endearing to me.
    
    The evening with the guided meditation was beautiful. It left me
    with a sense of a loving peaceful warm and friendly vibration.
    
    I'm glad I went.
    
    And it was nice to see all you other Pilgrims and it was fun to
    be able to do it all together....
                     
    -Arthur

I'm glad I went too....

There is clearly some kind of bond going on here and it feels
real nice. I also, enjoyed Lazaris's humor.  There seemed to be
more last night than I have ever witnessed on tape?  Maybe because
I was right there in the room?  It was so nice to feel all that
positiveness and love for 4 hrs, I can't wait to do a weekend!

Nice meeting you all and hope we can be together *real* soon again.

oh, thanks Carole, for entering your notes.  I didn't do so well with
mine.  I kept getting  into what was being said and forgetting to write
it.

hugs to you all,

Meredith (yawn)

    re: Carole, ARThur, MeredIth East
    
         Thanks for the feedback...unfortunately, had you been "judging"
    Lazaris by me, there would have been no way for me to "measure up"...
    the somberness and soberness may have unwittingly been mine...as I
    indicated at least a couple of other times, there is no way to 
    properly express Lazaris' humor--those of us who regularly have
    gone to his workshops find it like "Comedy Tonight" or some such
    thing, very, very often.  As ART says, he does it with dignity and
    always hits "home" with it.  But if he impressed you in four hours,
    imagine, if you can, two days...or even better, 4 or 5 days of the
    same kind of thing, stopping only for breaks.  I plan on doing
    the INTENSIVE next week and weekend and I am very, very much looking
    forward to it.  
        Thanks again for the "outside" validation...pilgrims we are
    all, pilgrims who have tasted the new world.
    
    Frederick
    

    Arthur expressed my sentiments exactly.  I never expected the
    wonderful humor, it was joyful.  We all had our apprehensions,
    but they were quickly swept away with the love and laughter.
    
    The time seemed to fly by from the opening remark which really 
    hit home for me (the  'yes, but...' excuses we all use as 
    blockages) till way past 11:00.  A close friend who I correspond
    with and I have been using 'yes, but...' as a tag line when we 
    don't want to 'hear' what the other one is saying.  It was an
    experience and when LaZARis comes back to Boston, I'll be there!
    
    I also enjoyed meeting everyone.  I too felt the sense of warmth
    and comraderie between us all.  It was great fun.
    
    Thank you Frederick for all your notes which sparked my interest
    in attending.
    
    Ro
    

              
    It was SUPERB!  It was wonderful to be there and experience the 
    feeling of love and acceptance all throughout the room, especially 
    during the meditation and blending.
                          
    Lazaris has a great sense of humor.  My tears were either from 
    laughter or love during the course of the evening.  The meditation 
    was quite moving for me.  
    
    It was time (and money) very well spent and I'd highly recommend 
    it to all.
    
    Cindy

    The two-lists technique is an old (ancient, venerated, etc) method
    to induce creative thought in minds that are ready for a change
    but haven't quite broken through into the change of thought pattern.
    
    I know it's at _least_ 25 years old.... which proves nothing as
    a channeling event but at least shows that the fellow knows something.
    
    	-Bill

  My wife and I are both glad that we attended the LaZARis presentation last
 night, and we are very grateful to Carole for typing in her notes today since
 we were both in absorption mode instead of note-taking mode last night, and we
 both want to review and study the information.  Thanks Carole!

  As everyone else who has replied today, we were both impressed with LaZARis's
 sense of humor and friendly, non-judgemental, loving manner of presentation. 
 We especially found *many* of his specific examples of how people express their
 blockages to be *very* funny, and several of them hit so close to home that
 we could even remember each other using some of the same expressions.  We were
 reassured when we found that there was not a hint of any preachy fire and
 brimstone threatening stuff that might indicate the precursor to a 'cult'
 (not that I expected any).

  My wife and I were also very impressed with the extremely clear organization
 of the information which LaZARis conveyed.  It seemed apparent to me that the
 information was of a highly inspirational metaphysical nature, and the
 discrimination with which LaZARis classified many diverse aspects of seemingly
 vague concepts into clear enumerated lists impressed me immensely.
 (For example, the idea that 'strengths' were comprised of those 'assets' which
 could satisfy *four* key criteria; the idea that there were *seven* types
 of blockages keeping us from expressing our strengths; and the idea that
 there are two classes with *seven* strengths each {fourteen in all} which can
 be used to categorize *all* of our 'strengths', and that these strengths are
 interrelated and complementary in several startling ways.  This information
 seems so encompassing that I think an award should be given to anyone who
 could demonstrate convinvingly that there are actually *eight* types of
 blockages, or *fifteen* types of strengths, etc... Wanna try? ;'})
 
  However, since all reports have been entirely glowing so far, let me temper
 that a bit (hopefully without negating the experiences of others) by relating
 some aspects of the presentation which were clearly disturbing to my wife.
 Let me preface this by saying that my wife has read a couple of the LaZARis
 notes that I have brought home, but has not read any of his books, or had
 exposure to the ongoing interplay between Frederick and others which I have
 had.  In a sense, she should be considered a less biased observer of these
 proceedings than myself.  In addition, while she tends to be skeptical of some
 things in an analytical sense (she's a Virgo), she is heavily involved with
 astrology (of course ;'}), she often reads Tarot cards (much more effectively
 than myself), she is totally convinced of the authenticity of a psychic which
 she has brought both of us to on more than one occasion (Margot Schmidt), and
 she has a generally forward-looking viewpoint on many aspects of our transition
 into the Aquarian age (eg. she would rather die than vote for Bush ;'}).

  I have already indicated several aspects of LaZARis which she liked and
 found valuable (you should have seen her grab a printout of Carole's notes
 at lunch today and claim it as her own copy ;-}), but let me now identify
 a few of the things she had problems with.  This is not intended to deflate
 anyone else's impressions, as my wife and I were both glad that we attended.

  First, of course, she had a few lingering questions about the money.
 Its quite a bit .. who gets it .. what do they do with it, etc.  It was not
 that she necessarily objected, but she just didn't know for sure, and it left
 some doubt about the intentions of those involved.  This is natural, I think.
 If there are any spiritually elevated goals for this money I think they should
 be identified and clarified, and if there are not, then this should be made
 clear as well.  There is no objection to people being paid for work that they
 do, yet nothing should be hidden 'in this regard' it seems to me.

  Secondly, while there were about 500 people at the event it appeared that
 the group was less than %1 Black, less than %1 Oriental, and I could not
 identify a single disabled person.  There was a good mix of ages and sexes,
 yet clearly the New Age is intended to be for *everyone* and this did not
 seem to be a fully representative sample.  Is this a typical LaZARis audience? 
 Is it because of the cost? or because of the messages?

  Thirdly, she had a number of questions about the mechanics of LaZARis's
 channeling itself.  We were both surprised at how fast/smoothly he seemed to
 switch into and out of being LaZARis.  This was a bit disconcerting at first,
 but I got used to it.  LaZARis didn't open his eyes *except* to look/write on
 the chalkboard.  Why then?  Why *only* then?  She felt that his accent was
 more apparent at some times than at others, thus making her wonder if it may
 have been somewhat contrived.  She wondered why LaZARis apparently only speaks
 in English?  (Is this true Frederick?)  It seemed to her that if he were in
 the position that he says he is that he should be able to speak in *any*
 language.  Is he able to?  Also, what about Jach?  She had an 'empathetic'
 feeling of sorrow for him and a feeling that he is a bit of a pawn in all of
 this.  By the way, my initial response to my wife's questions was "I don't
 know ... but what if this is just the way that channeling actually works?".

  Fourthly, she thought that the guided meditation was a bit too orchestrated
 by LaZARis, although he did create impressive sound effects, effective image
 visualizations, and dramatic mood shifts.  It may have been his adeptness
 at this that made her feel a bit uneasy with the thought of this one 'entity'
 having such control over an entire group of people in an apparently hypnotic
 way.  She has always resisted attempts at hypnosis and has always vehemently
 opposed any implied perception of brainwashing, so her resistance is not too
 surprising for her.  After the meditation she was convinced that nothing
 harmful had been projected, and that some powerful and meaningful images had
 been created.  She is interested in retrying the meditation on her own (as
 recommended by LaZARis) yet the apparent position of 'control' over a large
 group was disturbing to her.  Since I did not feel that the 'control' was
 threatening, it did not bother me, but I could understand her apprehension
 in this situation.

  Finally, the aspect which bothered her the most occurred at the very end
 of the night during the "blending".  Since this one bothered me as well,
 I will tell it from my perspective.  First of all, I had no problem with
 the premise of this "blending", and in fact my wife and I *both* felt a
 tingling sensation throughout our bodies near the beginning of it.  This was
 exciting, and was one of the high points of my evening.  If the blending
 had stopped there then I don't think either of us would have had any problems.
 However, LaZARis then started to talk as if responding to the inner thought
 of individuals in the group.  This started to sound extremely hokey after
 just a few moments, and yet it went on for some time.  It went something like
 this "Tom .. yes I know that you are saying that there must be twenty Toms,
 but this is really for you ... ... Mary .. yes, it hurts .. but you will make
 it through ...".  I suppose if he had said "Todd and Lisa ..." we may have
 felt differently, yet we both felt that these supposed individual messages
 were inappropriate for the group setting, and I think they gave the impression
 that LaZARis was trying to 'prove' to us that he was reading our minds.
 Actually, I don't necessarily doubt that he could read our minds, but it was
 the feeling that these insignificant comments made with very vague references
 to individuals (first names only) were supposed to be valuable to the rest of
 the group, or were supposed to demonstrate some sort of proof of his abilities
 that threw both of us.

  Anyway, I have thus shown that there are exactly *five* classes of concerns
 which are possible to express about LaZARis's presentation .. just kidding ;-}.

  As LaZARis says, perfection is not static, and maybe LaZARis could still
 hone his presentation skills a bit to get the important parts of his message
 across without being clouded by some of the issues raised above.  Of course,
 since everyone else (at least those who have responded) appears to have been
 totally satisfied, then maybe these concerns are way off base.

  However, LaZARis suggests that everyone should develop their 'Value' strength
 through Opinions, Evaluations, and Decisions, so there is no need to turn off
 these powers of discrimination even while seeing LaZARis.  The concerns of my
 wife seem to be reasonable for someone who has not already been 'won over'
 into a position of belief.  True believers are not the ones we will need in
 the New Age, but are rather an unwanted legacy of Past Ages.  Blind acceptance
 is not the way into the New Age.

  We both enjoyed seeing LaZARis, and we will definitely consider attending
 future sessions.  Please notice that we both value the information that was
 presented, and I do not intend to dissuade anyone from seeing LaZARis for
 themselves.  It was a fun, interesting, friendly, and loving evening.

					Todd .. and Lisa

                        
    I've been trying to think of the best way to consolidate my thoughts
    and impressions of the evening - and, sorry, Todd, but according to
    Lazaris perfection *is* static, and is a state that even God
    (Goddess/all there is and...) has not achieved - so I can finally
    give myself permission not to make it perfect, but to respond in
    a stream-of-consciousness way about what I experienced.
                                     
    I agree with everyone who's said that the content of Lazaris' messages
    is right on target - and I think that's what got me to create the
    chance to hear them, after having had, thanks to Frederick, an
    extensive sampling of his thought. Like Lisa, I've not heard or
    seen tapes, or read the books, and I came with a strong measure of 
    curiousity about the medium (in all senses of that word) conveying 
    the message, and the willingness to be open to all possibilities.
    But, like Lisa, I was somewhat disconcerted by the mechanics, i.e.,
    the shifts in degree of accent, certain theatrical aspects of the
    evening's events, and the very same response to the messages within
    the blending.                    
                                     
    Yet as I raced down the turnpike back to Wayland, I realised that
    the overall feeling I came away with was one of having learned some
    new ways to look at all-too-familiar aspects of my life, of having 
    revisited approaches I'd known and forgotten, and in the balance, 
    of having gained much.                     
                                     
    I went alone, but as I stood in line two of the people just in 
    front of me were people I'd known and worked with whom I hadn't
    seen in several years, one of whom was part of a lifecycle I'd
    completed eight years ago. I sat with them, and subsequently saw
    two other people whom I hadn't seen in many years. Since there are
    no coincidences, I'm waiting to discover the relevance of these
    contacts, and their meaning in the context of the evening. 
    
    (By the way, Todd, not far from where I sat there was a young woman 
    in a wheelchair, and a young man further away on crutches who appeared 
    to have or have had cerebral palsy.)             
                                     
    What I realised is that in this case, the medium doesn't much matter
    to me - the messages, and the sense of love, intelligence and humor
    coming through them were worth hearing and experiencing. I don't
    know who or what Lazaris is, and whether the form is ball of light,
    super-higher-self of Jach Pursell, pure intelligence alone, or
    whatever, I was where I was supposed to be last night in order to
    get what I need to move forward.                                  
                                                            
    For that I'm most grateful.
    
    Gloria

                     
    I'd like to add a parenthetical comment to my previous entry and
    say that I disagree with Lazaris about God and perfection. Since
    the supreme entity we call God, among other names, is all there
    is and more, by definition that entity is both perfect and imperfect.
    A paradox, yes, but as I see it, as soon as we say God is not anything,
    we've automatically limited the supposedly limitless.
                     
    Sorry for what looks to be a digression better entered in the
    Philosophy or Religion notesfile, but I felt it necessary to point
    out that, as I see it, in formulating his views and beliefs, Lazaris,
    like all of us, is probably also working toward some higher level
    of understanding.  

    I too very much enjoyed the Lazaris Workshop and travelling with
    the other DEC Pilgrims.  (Thanks for squeezing us in, guys!!)  I
    have listened extensively to Lazaris tapes, so knew somewhat what
    to expect.  I must admit I had similar feelings to Todd and Lisa's
    note re: ease of Lazaris coming through and taking appropriate breaks,
    along with personal name messages at the blending.  However, I could
    overlook this for strength of content of material which I find most
    enlightening and beneficial.
    
    I particularly found the meditation and blending emotionally rewarding.
    Since I have been unable to find Lazaris books in New Hampshire,
    I purchased three of them and was honored to have Jach autograph
    one.
    
    I'm happy to learn he is now on the East Coast and look forward
    to attending more Boston sessions, although the lateness of the
    hour for me lends to taking a vacation day! (thus the lateness of
    this reply)
    
    Helaine

         I appreciate the thanks of those of you who offered it...
    it feels good to do something "right" and so I like it that I
    was able to.  The part I must be aware of, though, is that part
    that would destroy it by making it a "better than" or "worse than"
    (or some other form of domination/manipulation.)  I mention it 
    only because I *am* aware of that potential and am working to keep
    it in "check" or perspective.
    
          My experiences with Lazaris are my own...just as everyone
    else's are.  I have had the experience of listening to/observing the
    comments of others lots of times over the past 6 years...I have
    even reported some of these before (in 288, and a few other
    places.)  Virtually everything questioned has been questioned before
    ...(even by me, many of them.)  I will make some effort to answer
    to a few, though.
    
          Mostly to Todd and Lisa (because they questioned it):  I have
    answered some of these things in a couple of other notes as best
    as I can, but since I don't have them readily in front of me and
    because there is more "expediency" here, I will respond here also.
    As for money, in 288 and in a recent note (2 months ago on *Value*)
    this was hit upon.  It appears we agree that this has value to us
    and that we are willing to pay for it.  The question, though, is
    what are "they" doing with the money.  Well, I don't know for certain.
    What I do know is that Peny has elaborate plans (not unlike Shirley
    MacClaine) to some day open up some type of metaphysical/spiritual
    center.  As you can tell, this requires money and power.  The
    information I have heard is extremely vague and I can't say much
    more (because I don't know.)  I do believe that Peny, Jach and
    Michaell have a great deal of integrity.  For instance, they 
    turned *Down* a request by Donald Trump to build another gallery
    in his Trump Towers, because they didn't wish to spread themselves
    that thin (although it would have proven extremely lucrative.)
    I also know that in the late 70's, Jach (Lazaris) and Peny went
    to meet with migrant workers, etc. and helped them as much as
    they were able.  Moreover, they have offered help to AIDS victims
    and to psychologically scarred Vietnam vets.  Basically, though,
    they appear to keep the financial ventures to themselves.  If you
    think about it, perhaps it is understandable.  How so?  Well, if
    you spend money for this group or that group, etc., then broadcast
    it, what is the "real reason" for the "gift"?  Many could argue
    that the gift was for the purpose of "tooting your own horn" and
    that outside validation was the reason for doing it.  Also, it 
    takes away the freedom from the act, by having the constant 
    criticisms that are bound to follow NO MATTER WHAT decision is
    made for the spending of it.  I prefer to believe that the integrity
    I have observed is being consistently followed and that the money
    would not be used for hurtful or harmful purposes...beyond that,
    it is their business. 
         As for accent shifts, generally I don't notice that...in fact,
    listening to the first tapes (from 1979) I don't hear much difference
    at all, in accent (or wisdom.)  There are about 40 pages devoted
    to Lazaris and how he channels, however, in the latest book,
    INTERVIEWS II.  Perhaps you would have your questions on this 
    answered there.
         As for demographics, I don't have any good answers...there
    are very few blacks at any of the workshops I attend...there *are*
    some, however, such as one of the premier ballerinas for the
    Geoffrey Ballet (who is a long-time, black, Lazaris friend.)
    I see many Orientals, but that may be due to this neck of the
    woods. Also there are several Seikhs(sp?) who attend regularly
    in San Francisco.  Moreover, there have been many physically
    handicapped at the workshops I have attended.  
         The question about whether or not the poor or impoverished
    have access was addressed in the note of two months ago.  
         Originally, the workshops had no music whatsoever.  Then,
    in 1983, music was added during the break (I remember distinctly
    because I even contributed a couple of tapes I had) and then
    all the breaks.  About two years later, music was added to the
    meditations.  At first I found it distracting...I have subsequently
    adjusted.  In fact, the music is handy now because when I hear
    the music (at home, for instance) it can "throw me back" into 
    the emotional feeling of the workshop.  I find the music "risky"
    precisely for the "hokiness" potential you mention.  On the other
    hand, it appears to get "pulled off" rather well and helps 
    in involving the senses to augment the EMOTIONAL content of the
    meditation, which is the desired outcome.  As for the blendings,
    they are fairly new (in Lazaris terms.)  They began 2-3 years 
    ago.  They, too, are "risky" because they require a certain
    "bonding" with his energy, which many people may not be willing
    to go along with.  Of course, no one *has* to.  Ultimately, 
    everything is "internal" so we are free to believe, accept,
    feel, etc. as we are ready to.  Incidentally, three months
    ago during a 2-day workshop Lazaris had us *do* a hypnotism.
    He indicated that there is not a great deal of difference between
    hypnosis and meditation...each has a different application/place.
    To alleviate or allay any fears we have, he has repeatedly 
    told us that we have total control over these meditations and
    that nothing will be said that we do not understand (in terms
    of content.)  Again, I understand your wife's concern, Todd,
    but for me it is a question of trust and *I* trust.  As for
    going into/out of trance, this was answered two years ago at the
    time of the Merv Griffin interview/show.  Sometimes it has to
    do with Jach's readiness and ability to do what he has to
    (he counts down backwards in some kind of spiral) and it also
    has to do with the readiness *required* and the energy into
    which Lazaris is coming into.  Yes, he only speaks in English.
    Actually, it is Jach's mechanics which speak in English...Lazaris
    communicates more universally (with thought/emotions)...it is
    Jach's mechanism which interprets that thought/emotion into speech.
    Again, this is covered somewhat in the book.  
         As for speaking to people during the blending, this has been
    a question of mine, too.  In 1988 I have attended at least 7 or
    8 Lazaris workshops and have been "spoken to" by Lazaris at least
    4 or 5 times (with crowds ranging anywhere from about 300 to 900.)
    I asked him about this last month when I talked with him.  He told
    me he talks to people based on a couple of reasons...one of which
    has to do with the energy they are putting out.  He said that in
    my case, my energy had been very strong, even though I may not have
    thought so.  He has also indicated that there are many of us who have 
    similar energies that can benefit from the "talking to" done to
    one within that energy group.  Also, some people may get an ego
    hit off the talking to so he may avoid it ("Lazaris talked to ME,
    aren't I special?")  Some people may have other problems that
    will cause him to avoid them ("oh my God, I've never been so
    embarassed in my whole life.")  Still others he is capable of
    just as adequately reaching silently so doesn't have the "need"
    for verbal communication [I guess I'm not that "lucky"  ;-}]
    Another reason is so that we can gauge our "progress" by those
    of us around us with whom we have chosen to co-create the space.
    Some are healing bones, some are healing hurts...some have questions
    that need answering or ideas that could be acted on...he "sees"
    all these things and picks from among them based on the group.
    This is why these are not recorded or made available to the 
    audio public.  I will agree that this sometimes feels "hokey"
    ...except as you were astute enough to point out, when it applies
    DIRECTLY to oneself.  :-)  The choice is always your own, whether
    or not you wish to go along for the ride here...if you do, however,
    the chair you sit on has the potential for becoming a rocket sled!
    It is precisely for those people that the blendings are offered.
    
        Like Gloria, I don't *really* know or have any way of verifying
    what Lazaris is or where he comes from.  I *do* know that for me,
    too, the messages have been superbly informative and valuable and
    that I have been immeasurably helped.  So, I just prefer to not
    give the channeling aspects too much attention...so much so that
    the message gets lost by the haircut of the messenger.  As he said
    two weeks ago in talking about SETH:  why would Seth be channeling
    through others when he himself said he wouldn't?  Why would 99%
    of what he had to say be accurate and then would he deliberately
    lie about the that one thing?  [And for proof he said that we can check
    the quality of the information and discover massive differences
    between what the "Real" Seth said and what the false Seths are
    saying.]   Similary, I would ask the same thing about Lazaris.
    Why would he say so much that is "right on" and then "lie"
    about something that isn't worth lying about?  The rewards in
    doing that seem so incredibly small by comparison to the
    rewards for being consistent.  So, I choose to believe that he
    is what/who he says he is and that he does/can do similarly.
    Again, it is personal choice.
    
         I think it is wonderful that he was so warmly received
    in Boston.  I called the Florida staff on Friday on another
    matter and they told me that they had heard that Jach (or
    Lazaris?) was given an ovation at the break...that is fairly
    rare and speaks highly of the enthusiasm and energy at your
    group.
    
    
         Lastly (as I run out of steam,) please understand that I
    am not a spokesman for Jach, Lazaris, Concept:Synergy, etc.
    I speak from my own limited awareness(es.)  I believe as I
    have stated...and I change my mind as I grow and learn more
    and experience more.  What I state about all of this is not
    etched in stainless steel anywhere...take what you want
    and discard the rest.  And have fun doing it!
    
    Frederick
    
                                

    RE:  .68
    
    Hi Helaine,
    
    I too admit to having very similar concerns to Todd's, Lisa's, Gloria's
    and yours, but overall it was the message that is important not the
    source.  I also 'got what I needed to get' and will hopefully and
    honestly try to apply it in my life.
    
    There is a source for LaZARis material in Nashua, NH.  You can get his
    books and tapes at The New Moon (a 'new age' type of shop) which is
    located off Exit 6, in the Nashua Mall.  Getting them locally saves on
    shipping and handling (and of course sales tax :-) ).  I stopped in
    yesterday to pick up the tape "The Mysterious Power of Chakras", which
    includes a meditation for bringing the chakras into harmony.  If you
    need more specific directions on finding it, let me know.
    
    It was nice meeting you on Thursday...
    
    Ro

 re .69 (Frederick, you must have waited for that reply number, right ;-})

  I appreciate that you were able to provide reasonable responses to what I
 considered were reasonable questions about LaZARis's presentation.  I must say
 that I am impressed with your own growth over the past year or so, Frederick,
 since you were able to respond to these questions without adopting a defensive
 posture, and without suggesting that your views were necessarily correct for
 everyone.  A few well-deserved kudos for you!

  As for myself, I have done extensive readings of Seth materials, and I was
 disappointed when this 'channel' of information was lost at the time of
 Jane Roberts' death.  It is now becoming clear to me that LaZARis can provide
 a continuation and expansion of many of the concepts that I first encountered
 through Seth.  As you probably know, Seth had many ideas on soul progression
 through reincarnation.  According to Seth, reincarnation works in just about
 as many ways and for as many purposes as there are people.  People/souls create
 their own goals/plans and reincarnation can be used as a tool for growth.
 Anyway, I have not heard much of this from LaZARis yet.  Since LaZARis
 identifies Seth's information as %99 valid, then I wonder whether LaZARis
 intends to cover this information on reincarnation and composite souls but is
 waiting for a better time (ie. he doesn't want to scare some people away by
 seeming to require a belief in reincarnation yet), or whether LaZARis may have
 already clarified his position to you in other presentations, or whether
 LaZARis disagrees with Seth on some of these points?  Frederick, thanks for
 your continuing replies to these torrents of questions.


 re .66, .67 (Gloria)

>   ... according to
>   Lazaris perfection *is* static, and is a state that even God
>   (Goddess/all there is and...) has not achieved ...

  You are absolutely right about what LaZARis said concerning perfection,
 Gloria.  I was a bit off-handed (and wrong) in my original reference, and
 should have used some word other than "perfection" to describe what I was
 thinking.  I guess I was just trying to preface some of my concerns of
 LaZARis by saying that he already admits that noone is perfect.

  In any case, I am still a bit confused by what LaZARis said as regards
 perfection, and your reply has encouraged me to think on it more deeply.
 On the one hand LaZARis was saying that perfection should not be a person's
 goal since an adherence to perfection results in blockages, and perfection is
 not a strength (since it is not flexible or expansive or dynamic).  On the
 other hand, he described the Mona Lisa and the statue of David as examples
 of perfection.  To me, this suggested that objective perfection *is possible*,
 which I tend to disagree with (perfection must at least be in the eyes of the
 beholder, etc.).  This was confusing.  If objective perfection is possible,
 and is clearly 'valued' by LaZARis (after all, he wasn't mocking these works
 of art, was he?), then why wouldn't it be a goal for people?  Does anyone else
 have a clearer view of this?

  By the way, Gloria, I don't have the same trouble as you with saying that
 God/Goddess/All-That-Is is not perfect since I think that there is no
 requirement that All-That-Is be perfect (unless perfect is defined in terms
 of All-That-Is).  I feel that All-That-Is is 'content' amidst imperfection,
 while still 'evolving' and 'growing'.  There seems no necessity for perfection
 to me.  Anyway, I do think that your discussion is relevant to this conference,
 and I encourage you to continue if you have more ideas to contribute.

							Todd

    re: .71 (Todd)
    
        ...I always pick that number...except when I don't.   ;-)
    
        To respond briefly to your inquiries:
        Lazaris has talked about reincarnation repeatedly and as
    extensively as has been necessary.  I probably already entered
    notes about it...I seem to remember some reference in the note
    on Reincarnation in this conference as well as possibly some 
    direct or indirect references in 358, 316, maybe elsewhere.
    It is virtually impossible to accept the tenets of creating one's
    own reality from a spiritual context without it, I believe.
    Anyway, the answer to that is "yes" (and I won't elaborate more
    here.)
        As for perfection, you appear to understand its "stagnant"
    qualities...its antithesis to creativity. If so, then you should
    readily see that talking about works of art, etc. as not being 
    perfect is somehow inappropriate.  Works of art are usually works
    of creativity...imagination, feeling, etc.  However, many times
    in art, as with other things, it isn't truly creative.  Many times
    things are done with commercial or monetary or "power" rewards,
    not simply because the artist (or other) wants to as an expression
    of imagination, etc. The "perfection" is in the original expression...
    perhaps another word should be used.  The perfection Lazaris is
    referring to is the one of wanting to repeat what has *already*
    been done, only to do it better (does better than ring any bells?).
    Anyway, THAT is what is static...THAT is uncreative, unimaginative.
    In that sense of it God/Goddess/All-THat-IS isn't perfect because it
    has the Goddess energy of imagination and creativity, which is not
    static nor stagnant.  What he is saying is to not get stuck in the
    "God" energy of doing, but to also imagine.  Create.  Do, but also
    BE.  Doing, without imagination, conception, perception and feeling
    is only a part of what is.  Unless I've missed my mark, this is
    what he is talking about.  In any case, I think I understand the
    general feeling of what he said, if not the specifics.
        I don't think these questions should be answered under the
    topic "Lazaris in Boston", so I suggest moving future inquiries
    to 358 or some other, do you agree?
    
    Frederick
    
    

    re .72 (Frederick)

    Thanks for your brief reply on reincarnation, I will go back to Notes
    358 or 316 for more details.  I agree that it a necessary concomitant
    to CYOR.  I wonder whether others agree.
    
    I must admit that I remain a bit hazy on LaZARis's use of 'perfection'
    relating to artwork, yet your response did help clarify for me the gist
    of the message that LaZARis was intending to convey.
    
>  I don't think these questions should be answered under the
>  topic "Lazaris in Boston", so I suggest moving future inquiries
>  to 358 or some other, do you agree?

    I agree.

    I originally saw the "Lazaris in Boston" topic as a chance to off-load your
    responsibility for responding to *all* LaZARis questions (like you do in
    358 and 316) by opening up a forum for some analysis and discussion from
    those who attended and heard for themselves in Boston.  I agree that if you
    end up answering all the questions then they are much more appropriately
    placed in 358 or 316 ... I will post any additional questions there.
    
    Let me reiterate a big THANK YOU for introducing us all to LaZARis and his
    ideas.  Now I guess it's up to us to see what we can create from it all ;-}

    	    	    						Todd

    Hi 'Laz' Pilgrims,
    
    Just wanted to say what a great time I had getting together with
    you all again.  The dinner conversation and the shopping
    spree at the Unicorn Bookstore (even though I probably bought too
    many books!) was fun.
    
    Looking forward to our next meeting,
    
    Ro
    

    How much does it ususally cost to atten one of the Lazaris events.
    
    I see in May that he will finally be coming to Denver and would
    like to attend if I can.   I don't know where it will be held yet
    though, does anyone have any information on it?
    
    Dan
    

    re: .75 (Dan)
    
          If you scan through 406, you will find price structures from
    the past couple of years.  If it's an evening workshop, it's usually
    $40 if paid in advance ($45 at the door.)  I don't have any specific
    information about costs in Denver, however.  You could call them
    on the 800 number (though it's supposed to be for charging things,
    only) and ask them (I would, anyway.)  Incidentally, I believe Lazaris
    was in Denver about 3-4 years ago...at least I seem to remember
    some mention of it (ask Gerald at Concept:Synergy if it matters
    to you.)  
           What an evening workshop will probably do is give you only
    a "taste" of what Lazaris is about.  To experience more depth in
    a meditation, the video tapes (the self-forgiveness, e.g.) will
    give you more of an idea.  To really experience the potential of
    your relationship with him, then a 2-day or an Intensive can easily
    do it.  
          As he stated this past weekend, "Every journey begins and
    ends with a walk."  
    
    happy walking,
    Frederick
    

The one in Denver is $100.

    re: -.1 (Meredith)
    
        Why? Is it a one-day or what?  
    
    Frederick
    

Hi Frederick; it's the same workshop you described in an earlier note (the 
name eludes me right now), being held at the Hyatt-Regency Hotel and is a 
one-day'er.

Frederick; it was this workshop;

>Denver:
>      May 20       One-Day       "Sharpening the Tools of Manifestation"

and I called this number;

>Address for more info:  Concept:Synergy, 302 South County Road, Suite 109,
>                        Palm Beach, Florida, 33480
>
>      Phone: (407) 588-9599 or (800) 678-2356 credit card reservations

    re: .79 (Meredith)
      
        Thanks for the quick reply...I was going to eliminate my note
    because I just looked it up (406.50?)  Yes, it's the same one
    we did here 2 months ago...called "Winning the Manifestation Game"
    I think.  Funny, we paid $125 for it.  The best part of this 
    workshop (from the DEJAVU "point of view", I think) is the time
    Lazaris spends talking about how we create our own reality.
    And then, showing us how to manifest within it (consciously.)
    Emotionally it doesn't have the impact that some of the others
    (I will qualify this and say that this is *MY* truth) have. It could
    be that for someone being with Lazaris for the first time (or one
    of the first times) that just doing the meditations *could* have
    a strong impact on them, so maybe I shouldn't project this.  If
    there IS that impact from this workshop, however, I could only
    guess that some of the other workshops I have described would blow
    the socks off that person!
                       
    Frederick
    

Frederick,

It *would* be good here, I think, to say that the reference is 406.47...or was 
it .46...anyway, one of those two, since the topics are ping-ponging right now!
(tap!)

  Hi Ro,

   I was out sick for most of last week and just getting caught up.

but, did want to mention some things I felt at the Lazaris workshop 
in Philly.   There were around 300 people there.  Alot more guys, than
I noticed in Boston and of course since the workshop was on 'LOVE'
quite afew couples. Which was so nice to see. Couples that were different
age groups (20's, 40's, 60's) but *all of them* with arms around each other
and really being together.

  Lazaris was incredable, this was my first weekend, and expected more 
than my Night in Boston, but it far surpassed that.  The healing meditation 
on Saturday night is so very powerful, that chills go thru your body and it 
tingles. That together with the love that is constant in the room is so
penetrating, I found myself not wanting to leave the room for lunch breaks.
He also did a beautiful meditation on healing the child, adolescent, and 
adult,bringing them together with so much love. It was very beautiful.

  Sunday morning, was quite cheery and warm with everyone refreshed. Than came
the CRYSTAL Ceremony. If I thought I was jolted with acouple emotions on Sat.
it was *nothing* compared to the crystal ceremony. I was stunned by the outpour
of love and warmth from everyone in the room for and with Lazaris. Everyone gets
a chance to go up and get their personal crystal and talk alittle to Lazaris.
Its great folks!. Janice and I got ours and just sat there watching. I found
I couldn't leave the room at that time, there was too much honest, open, love
going on. Than he ended with a beautiful meditation and off we went.

  I did type my notes if anyone is interested. Please write in mail and
let me know.

  oh, he is coming back to Boston in Oct. And next year doing a 4 day intensive
in Philadelphia. I can't wait!!!!

  MEREDITH/Mikki E.

 
 
		THE MYSTERY, MAGIC AND MUSE OF LOVE
 
Hello vujade-ers ... I'm happy to say that I went to the Lazaris Weekend in
Phillie with my friend Mikki East ... it was incredible ... I'd been to see
Lazaris in Boston last October and was expecting it to be something like that
but, as Mikki said, it was so much more.  There was a lot of personal contact
going on and every once in awhile you knew he was talking to you in particular,
but, even so, the love he has for us all was quite tangible..  it was a very
emotional, loving weekend.  Lazaris gave some techniques to develop intimacy
and compassion in relationships that I've been putting into practice ... one
of them is very simple to do and takes only 20 minutes a day.  Each day you
and your s.o. sit and tell each other 3 things that the other did that made
you feel good inside and 3 things that made you feel a bit pinched, unloved
inside ... this is not criticism and the one that is being told the 3 things
doesn't need to explain (unless the teller asks for an explanation) ...
it is mainly to make each other aware of the impact you have on each other
and to take the responsibility for your actions.  It is also a great way to
find ways of pleasing your partner.  Lazaris says we often spend more time
on our cars than on our relationships ... 10 minutes a day each is not a 
long time, and I've found it to be a loving time of sharing, and we laugh
a lot while doing it.  My beau reminds me when I forget or it's getting late
in the eveing ... "We haven't had our 3 things yet" ... he suggested that
we do the bad news first so as to end on a happy note ... what we've been
finding lately is that we're having a hard time coming up with 3 things that
made us feel bad and dozens of things that made us feel good ... it works.
It keeps the communication lines open, and doesn't let the little angers
build up.  I highly recommend this practice.
 
As Mikki said, the crystal ceremony was beautiful ... and I'm still feeling
the love that Lazaris floods us with ... I miss him (I feel funny calling
Lazaris him because I know he's not a him, really, or a her, but I feel
funnier still calling Laz an it) ... but, you know who I'm talking about.
The feeling was so special, I'm still high from the weekend, and I want
to go to an Intensive ... I plan to go at least once a year, hopefully
twice $ permitting.  It was so beautiful (even though Mikki and I ... as
well as most of the other 300, were crying a lot during the meditations..
a lot of emotional release and love ... phew) ... it was exhausting!!!
I loved it.  
 
Go!!
Janice Buck  
QUALTY::BUCK (I'm on RSTS account and can't get to notes on it ... have to
use my bosses account to read notes, but don't feel comfortable about 
entering replies under his name ... so, I'm a read/only person)
 

    Thanks Meredith and Janice for telling us about your weekend.  It
    sounds wonderful and I'm looking forward to his return to Boston.
    Do you know the date?  Is it a weekend workshop or just the one
    night?   I want to mark it on my calendar and plan/save for it.
    
    Meredith, please mail me your notes offline.  Maybe we should plan on
    another Laz reunion dinner so we can hear more about your experience
    in Philly.
    
    Ro
    
    P.S.  Janice, I'm happy to hear things are going so well between
          you and your 'beau'.  ;^)
    

    re: last three
    
          Thanks for informing us of your experiences, Janice and Meredith.
    It really sounds as though your participation was well worth the
    efforts made to attend.  I sincerely hope that there will be other
    workshops that you will be able to access and that you go.
           For it is as I have said before:  seeing something written 
    about Lazaris may be neat, reading a book or listening to a tape
    may provide invaluable information, going to see him in person
    in a 4-hour session can be quite a high, but to really experience
    yourself I think a 2-day (or more) with him is what it takes to
    know what "this" is all about. ... For experiencing Lazaris can be
    at infinite levels, it all depends on the person, but here in
    DEJAVU-land it is mostly experiencing him on intellectual levels.
    We still have three (psychic, bodily and emotional) other realms
    that remain mostly untouched.  During a 2-day, however, especially
    with the healing meditation on Saturday night, that's when the 
    true emotional, feeling levels can be reamed out full bore!  I
    learned this seven years ago.  Now you know it, too.  Congratulations
    and may your journeys continue with the joy and the love.
    
    Frederick
    

Thanks Frederick.....Boy, seven years, lucky you!


Now for some FUN!

Lets get together for a Pilgrim dinner.  I think we have much to talk
about and its time, before everyone scatters off on vacations...:^)

How does this thurday sound? (20th) or next thurs. (27th)? I know Ro
is gone after that.  And I think Janice has some plans after that also.

We were thinking of someplace off of Rt 495 since we all travel that to 
and from work. Hudson, perhaps?    

    
    
    Hi Meredith,
    
    We seem to have a little confusion on the dates here....this
    Thursday is the 27th, next Thursday is the 4th.  I would like
    to go, and the 4th is much better for me.  The Hudson area is
    also convenient.
    
    Carole

Yeah, my goof.  

Well, Ro is going away May 3rd, so this week is the only thing open
for everyone till the 3rd week in May. Busy, busy people...
I'll keep you informed.

ME.

    
    Sorry if I missed it - what are the Oct. dates for Lazaris again?
    
    I'm definitely interested in going.
    
    Cindy

    Cindy,
    
    Meredith says he didn't give a date, just that he'd be in Boston
    in October.  I've been meaning to call CONCEPT::SYNERGY to find
    out but I don't have their number here at work.
    
    Ro
    

    re: .91
    
        "...don't have their number here at work."  
     
        Yes, you do, Roey, try topic 406.
    
    Frederick
    

    Ok Frederick you 'shamed' me into calling and it was really 
    'painless' after all.  
    
    They don't have the date firmed up yet and they don't know if it will
    be a one day or a weekend.  They said the fall schedule would probably
    come out in late August, but that we could keep checking back to find
    out before then.
    
    Roey
    
    

    Received the Lazaris Fall schedule in the mail last night (I'm
    sure Frederick will post the entire schedule elsewhere).  The
    good news is he will be coming to Boston twice.  I forgot my
    schedule so I don't have all the details, but I do remember that
    one is a one-day intensive on Sunday, October 8th and the other
    is an evening on December 4th.  
    
    Maybe we can make plans at our upcoming Laz reunion dinner...
    
    Ro
    

Thanks Ro, I haven't recieved mine yet,,,,and thats the best news I have
had ALL month!
    
I predict acouple Reunion dinners.....;^)

Meredith E.  Who is definetly 'happy' today

            
    Did someone say GATHERING?  (;^)
    
    I'm closing on my new place on Aug.31st if all goes according to
    schedule.  Can't wait!
    
    Still to open my Laz mailing - it's in the car.
    
    Cindy

    Calling all you past/present/future Laz fans,
    
    Yup, that's Laz, not Yaz (we know some of you sports fans are all
    caught up in the hall-of-fame thing).
    
    Some of us are getting together next Thursday (July 27th) for dinner
    at the Outlook at the Nashoba Valley ski area in Westford, Mass.
    to celebrate Laz coming to town again (OK, it's really cause we
    just like to celebrate).
    
    Hmmm, maybe we'll dedicate a bust of Frederick in the Lazaris Hall of
    Fame....
    
    Roey
    
    

    I'm still fairly new to this file and would love the opportunity
    to meet some you.
    
    KC
    

    
    Hi Ro,
    
    Are you taking reservations, or is it just a show_up_if_you_can dinner?  
    
    Hope to be there if a work softball game isn't scheduled for that
    night.
    
    Cindy

    Oh, Cindy....duh, I didn't even think of making reservations!!!
    I guess since we didn't expect it to be a large number (10 tops),
    we didn't worry about a table.  We were just going to meet in the
    lounge around six and once everyone arrived would ask to be seated
    for dinner.  So far, it is Carole, Meredith, Joanne, Barbara V,
    Dan McLaughlin, Larry, possibly you, me, and the other person who
    responded in this file (KC Mesaros).  Janice can't make it cause
    they're still on their honeymoon  ;')
    
    Hope to see you there,
    
    Ro (who is sometimes organized and sometimes not)
    

    Re:  .100
    
    I haven't been able to look in this file for a while but I wanted
    to clear up who "the other person who responded in this file (KC
    mesaros" really is.
    
    My name is Karen Castro (KC) and I am utilizing my boss' account
    (John Mesaros) because I cannot access the notes file in my own
    account.
    
    Sorry I missed what I'm sure was a good time.
    
    KC
    

         I know that this was being discussed in 406, but I thought I'd
    ask in here.   Well, how was "your" one-day with Lazaris (Mikki,
    Carole, Ro...?)
    
    Frederick
    

	Frederick, and everyone...

	I enjoyed the day very much.  One of the ways of Lazaris that I
	particularly like is his humor, and this was very present 
	yesterday.  Though we worked with some very tender and vulnerable
	places within ourselves, we were still able to laugh.  This was
	only the second time I experienced Lazaris "in person", and one
	of the things that is standing out for me in the whole experience
	is not only are we presented with information about a certain
	situation in our experience (this one was focused on "What keeps
	you from success: the bottom line), we are also given the tools
	to identify what it is for us *and* are given techniques and
	"antedotes" to work with it and transform it.  You are given one
	complete package.  What you do with it is up to you.

	In one of the two meditations, we were brought together with 
	ourselves as children and adolescents.  This was one of the
	most "real" meditations I have experienced, and one of the most
	touching.

	One of the seven "bottom lines" discussed was shame, and it is
	created in three ways, one of which is "being wronged".  This
	discussion impacted me very much because it dealt with CYOR and
	reminded me of the discussion in this file.  Lazaris wanted to
	stress that the CYOR philosophy can contain some insidious half-
	truths which he called the blackest lies of all.  What he said
	was that any kind of abuse is an act of violence  We create our
	own reality by causing and allowing --- "and there are wrongs
	done to us".  The wounds need to be healed first and then you 
	deal with creating reality.  There's nothing you have to learn
	from being wronged!  People have had terrible things done to 
	them, and the problems are very intense ones.  People are victims
	before they know that they create their own reality.  So he gave
	examples of women in relationships where they are beaten.  He
	said that there is nothing colder or as black as someone saying
	to a woman in this position who has come to them to take the 
	first step out of that hell..."Well, your creating it for some
	reason".  The woman feels she can't leave because she has no
	place to go.  She's locked in shame because she is being wronged
	and no one will admit it!

	This was a day of dealing with some pretty intense, emotional
	and painful stuff.  Lazaris brought me to a point of confronting 
	my own bottom line and he did so through humor, honesty and love.
	Where I go from here is up to me.

	Carole

thanks	Carole for typing that.  I am in my usual day after-Lazaris mood - he
is still with  me and I am still in LAZ-land.  Shhh...8^)

But, yes, it was a very emotional day.  I felt mentally exhausted after,
but soo loved.

It was certainly nice seeing all the Lazaris pilgrims there! Janice and I
walked in and saw DAN, Darryl and SO, Roey...and friend, and Carole. Great,
seeing you guys

Lets do it all again DEC. 4th!
                    same place 
                  different time

love to you all,

Mermik

    
re: .103 (Carole - (and anyone else who understands this))

     In your note you stated the following:

>	One of the seven "bottom lines" discussed was shame, and it is
>	created in three ways, one of which is "being wronged".  This
>	discussion impacted me very much because it dealt with CYOR and
>	reminded me of the discussion in this file.  Lazaris wanted to
>	stress that the CYOR philosophy can contain some insidious half-
>	truths which he called the blackest lies of all.  What he said
>	was that any kind of abuse is an act of violence  We create our
>	own reality by causing and allowing --- "and there are wrongs
>	done to us".  The wounds need to be healed first and then you 
>	deal with creating reality.  There's nothing you have to learn
>	from being wronged!  People have had terrible things done to 

     Can you explain this some more?  I'm not taking issue with it,
I think it is something very important that I need to understand but
can't get a grasp on.

thanks

alison

    

	RE: 105 Alison

	The way *I* understood this was that many people today professing
	belief in the "you create your own reality" philosophy have lost
	sight of the fact that people are victims until they come to their
	own realization that they can create their own reality, and that
	people are wronged by other people.  A child who is sexually abused
	is the victim of a violent act.  A woman or man who is raped is a
	victim of a violent act.  The most unloving thing one could do to
	a person who has experienced this violence is to treat them
	judgmentally and blame them for their experience.  What they need
	is the acknowledgement that they are being wronged.  They need to
	learn that they have someplace to go.  They need assistance to
	start the healing process.  They need someone who is willing to
	really be with them as they travel the journey out of that hell
	and start healing the wounds of shame.  Once a person is on the
	other side of this, he/she can look back and begin to take 
	responsibility for where they have been and see the unlimited
	future which is theirs for the choosing.

	Carole

    Hi Carole,
    
    In the session you attended, was there any discussion of karma related
    to victims and victimization?
    
    Jeff

    
    
    Hi Jeff,
    
    No, Lazaris did not get into karma.  The focus was on those real
    basic issues, like shame, that create blockages in our lives and
    that create resistance to change and therefore success.
    
    Carole

Frederick et al,

Sorry was at a class yesterday and didn't get a chance to log in.  My 
thoughts are similar to Carole's, except I do have some mixed emotions 
on one point.  The meditations were very powerful and I (we) were able to 
discover our 'bottom lines'.  During the second meditation period, we 
used a couple of visualizations that had been described earlier by Laz 
to help us break through our bottom line.  I enjoyed the first part of 
the meditation which involved a mirror, candle, crystal, and ended 
with 'shattering' the vision of the bottom line by smashing the 
mirror.  Very effective.  However, the second visualization involved 
climbing inside a locked black box and 'living' with your bottom line
for an extended period.  Some people in the audience became very
distraught to say the least.  I didn't like working with this
meditation and so detached from it.  Being one who prefers the
'gentle' way, I felt it was overkill and unnecessarily traumatic. 

In trying to remain objective, one could say some people's bottom line 
is almost impenetrable and thus this was the only method that would 
work.  I would have preferred if Lazaris had used just the first method 
    or one of the other two methods instead.  I realized I had a choice so
    I tuned out.

With that one con out of the way, I have only positive feedback.  I 
think the effects of a workshop like that are far reaching and like Mikki 
am still sorting it all out.  My friend seemed to enjoy it.  It 
brought us closer in many ways and especially in understanding each 
other through comparing our bottom lines.  He thought we would have 
had the same one, but we didn't.  We were both surprised at the 
other's and our own bottom line.  Lines of communication were opened 
on areas which may not have been if we hadn't attended the workshop
together.  I'm sure we'll continue 'exploring' some of these avenues ;')
    

Yes Carole, the discussion about being 'wronged' had a strong impact 
on me as well.  As Lazaris said 'there are others ways to learn, no 
one needs to be 'wronged'...

Thought about typing in my notes, but they seem so personal - not sure 
if I want to.  As always, Lazaris' humor shone through and that was
fun especially since it was a difficult subject to work with.

    Oh yes, almost forgot Laz talked about quantum theory and reality. 
    Made sense to me and reminded me of the old Donovan song that goes
    'first there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there
    is...'   Ta da - I finally understand it!!!  Um, just don't ask me to
    explain it!!!
    
    Thanks for your helpful advice Frederick, I'm glad we went..
    
    Roey
    

    re: Roey
    
         I'm happy for you that you had an enjoyable and learning
    experience (one has to be real determined to fail to not enjoy
    Lazaris.)  
         As for that meditation, I don't think I can second-guess
    Lazaris.  I *do* know, however, that over the last decade he has
    used many, many meditations that have an unpleasantness aspect
    to them until that unpleasantness is finally (in the meditation,
    of course) overcome, transmuted or transformed or transcended.
    For example, there have been meditations wherein we visualized
    ourselves eating certain animals (in my case it was a live frog)
    and others wherein we become the sludge and slime that is sucking
    at us, etc...But then he'll bring in the "light" or other
    "redemptive agent" and pull us free from that.  So, meditatively,
    that all gets left behind.  What's the purpose and is there another
    way?  I can only guess at purpose and I am certain that there are
    other ways.  Why does he do it this way?  I don't know, you'd have
    to ask him.  I might guess at this, however.  *THAT* you find it
    unpleasant may be a denial of sorts...and one that might best be
    dealt with by confronting or encountering it.  Could be?
    
         Next up:  Terry in Atlanta...
         I will be in L.A. for a 2-day in two weeks, followed by 4 days
    in Florida for the Intensive there.  I love him, he's something else!
    
    Frederick
    

    Could be?  Yup, Frederick.  I know I avoided it because there was
    something there I didn't want (or wasn't ready) to face.  However, I
    took a step towards it and will now be able to handle it my own way.
    I suspect it had to do with being locked up and suffocating...hmmm (out
    of control - hint to my bottom line).  No wonder it seems scarey!!
    
    Thanks for your insight...
    
    Love,
    
    Roey
    
    

Re: Ro feeling a lot of discomfort with the meditation...

I recently read:  The path to Heaven is not pain and struggle...the path 
to Heaven is pleasure!

This feels very good to me.  I don't believe that uncomfortable exercises
are necessary for growth.  In fact, I think struggling with uncomfortable
exercises is like fighting with onesself.

Re: .106 (Carole)

>	The way *I* understood this was that many people today professing
>	belief in the "you create your own reality" philosophy have lost
>	sight of the fact that people are victims until they come to their
>	own realization that they can create their own reality, and that
>	people are wronged by other people.  

This is a general comment...not directed at you.  This view doesn't seem to 
support the belief of our godliness, and our connection with a higher 
awareness -- since it sees people as victims.  It also doesn't seem to
support the belief that there's a "greater order to the disorder" -- since
it sees people as being wronged.

Some people believe that we have a hand (from a more knowing place before 
we're born) in laying out the blueprints for our learning experience on 
Earth -- and that we do make choices all the time, to stay in pain or to 
avoid it.  Even a child would have this higher awareness and be finding some 
sort of learning or fulfillment from their experiences...however harsh those 
experiences may appear to our limited perspective.

So, the idea of people being "wronged" before they become aware that they
create their own reality sounds somewhat tragic to me because it seems to
assume that there is no greater love and order that we are all a part of.

>	The most unloving thing one could do to
>	a person who has experienced this violence is to treat them
>	judgmentally and blame them for their experience.  

I agree.  But I think earlier you may have said that the most unloving
thing would be for someone to tell them that they create their own reality.
Although, yes, this could be considered a little cold in those words...there 
are ways for trying to be truthful, respectful, and supportive of one's 
godliness -- instead of supporting a belief of helplessness.  I don't see 
that as unloving at all.  I see that as the most loving thing you could do! :-)

Just my opinion.  I'm going on vacation so I'll be out of this discussion
for awhile, but I'll check back in when I get back.

Jerri

    
    This quote from "Symbols of Transformation" by C.G.Jung sprang to
    mind...
    
    "...As St. Augustine says (X,6):"...they love these things too much
    and become subject to them, and subjects cannot judge."  One would
    certainly think it possible to love something, to have a positive
    attitude towards it, without supinely succumbing to it and losing
    one's power of rational judgement.  But Augustine knew his contemp-
    oraries, and knew furthermore how much godliness and godlike power
    dwelt in the beauty of the world.
    
      Since you alone govern the universe, and without you nothing rises
      into the bright realm of light, and nothing joyous and lovely can
      come to be..."
    
    (That last bit was a quote from Lucretius' "De rerum natura".)
    
    
    This sounds to me like an ancient version of YCYOR.  I believe we
    must choose to have our dark elements "rise to the bright realm of
    light" consciously - else we're going to be unconscious victims...
    
    Guy

re Roey

    I know what you mean about the last med.  I was alittle afraid to go into
the black box and close the lid and wait for it to lock... BUT I knew I was
stronger than my bottom_line and Lazaris was waiting on the outside, how bad
could it be?...8^)   But it did get real "lonely" in there for a while.


re. Jerri


   Have a nice vacation!   

	RE: 112 Jerri
    

>>	The way *I* understood this was that many people today professing
>>	belief in the "you create your own reality" philosophy have lost
>>	sight of the fact that people are victims until they come to their
>>	own realization that they can create their own reality, and that
>>	people are wronged by other people.  

>This is a general comment...not directed at you.  This view doesn't seem to 
>support the belief of our godliness, and our connection with a higher 
>awareness -- since it sees people as victims.  It also doesn't seem to
>support the belief that there's a "greater order to the disorder" -- since
>it sees people as being wronged.

    As people have said before, it is so difficult to present a full
    representation of something that has been experienced and to share
    statements that someone else has said because you can't give the
    "backup" thoughts along with it.  I don't believe that what was
    being presented was meant to state that there is not a greater order
    or to deny peoples godliness.  What *I* got from it was that those
    who believe in YCYOR and look at others who are not aware of this
    with disdain are only dealing with half the truth.  Yes, we create
    our own reality, and there are many people who are not *aware* of
    this and until they become aware, they shouldn't be looked at as
    being less than anyone else.  People can be wronged by other people
    who are just as ignorant of their own divinity and responsibility
    as they are.
>Some people believe that we have a hand (from a more knowing place before 
>we're born) in laying out the blueprints for our learning experience on 
>Earth -- and that we do make choices all the time, to stay in pain or to 
>avoid it.  Even a child would have this higher awareness and be finding some 
>sort of learning or fulfillment from their experiences...however harsh those 
>experiences may appear to our limited perspective.
 
    I believe that we have a hand in creating our blueprint.  However,
    I also believe that it is a *pattern of potential*, and our environment
    will have a lot to do in shaping us.  We *do* make choices all the
    time, but those choices can stem from pretty negative stuff, buried
    in the unconscious.  

>So, the idea of people being "wronged" before they become aware that they
>create their own reality sounds somewhat tragic to me because it seems to
>assume that there is no greater love and order that we are all a part of.

    It is tragic and its wrong.  Until such time as we break the cycle
    of unawareness of our own divinity, people will continue doing wrong
    to people.
    
>>	The most unloving thing one could do to
>>	a person who has experienced this violence is to treat them
>>	judgmentally and blame them for their experience.  

>I agree.  But I think earlier you may have said that the most unloving
>thing would be for someone to tell them that they create their own reality.
>Although, yes, this could be considered a little cold in those words...there 
>are ways for trying to be truthful, respectful, and supportive of one's 
>godliness -- instead of supporting a belief of helplessness.  I don't see 
>that as unloving at all.  I see that as the most loving thing you could do! :-)

    My statement above was just saying the same thing in a different
    way.  You can't shove YCYOR down the throat of a woman who is being
    beaten up almost every day.  What I got from what Lazaris said (and
    it's very difficult to speak for someone else) is that we have to
    be more sensitive to one another.  Telling someone the truth one
    day could be the cruelest thing you could do; another day it could
    be the most loving.  Hear the person's pain, be with them in it,
    show them there are alternatives, honor their beings, love them
    into the reality of who they are.
    
    Carole
    

    Not to shove anything down someone's throat, but I'd like to
    suggest in the case of someone who is being a victim, that
    the important thing about YCYOR is
       you create your own reality   PRESENT TENSE, rather than
       you created your own relity....
    
    get away from blame for yesterday and into responsibility for NOW...
    
    At any given time, the "victim" can choose other circumstances...
    run away, fight back, [xxxxx].... when someone doesn't take action,
    that is a choice...  it's not a question of blame, only responsibility.
    and i think that recognizing one's responsibility is empowering, and
    is the only way that "victims" can change...
    
    
    /bruce 
    because of 

    re: Jerri
      
         yes,...(but...)
    
    re: Carole 
    
         YES!
    
    re: Bruce
    
         Yes, that can be helpful.  I second what Carole says...it's a
    case by case situation.  The importance is to recognize not only
    that others/other things have an impact on us but that WE HAVE AN
    IMPACT, too.  As Lazaris has said (and whatever it is, he has probably
    covered it somewhere in his thousands of hours of discussion,)
    sometimes love is saying "no."  It's probably not appropriate to
    take these words as black or white...our realities are much "grayer"
    than that.
    
    Frederick
    

    Re: .116  (Carole)
    
    I agree with what you're saying.  Maybe it's just my interpretation, 
    but your latest reply seems to have a little more distinction in it
    than what you had expressed earlier, and that's why I had commented.
    My personal view is that people may feel like victims, and in that
    sense...they can be comforted -- yet, at the same time, they can be
    encouraged and strengthened by acknowledging their own godliness.
    Your earlier replies seemed to indicate a helplessness...and I
    (personally) don't believe that.  I'm not saying I'm right -- I just 
    don't believe it, and so that's why I commented. :-)
    
    My experiences have been that people know much, much more than they
    often "act" -- and sometimes, speaking directly to them with love, is
    like spirit speaking to spirit.  You can look right into their eyes...
    and see a truth that you both know.  It doesn't matter if they've just
    been beaten or whatever.  But this is my experience and opinion, and
    I'm not trying to force it on anyone -- I think it's good to consider 
    many viewpoints.
    
    As for people being wronged....I would ask (in general), who is it 
    that's defining "wrong"?
    
    On a different subject:  I had a *great* vacation!  Yes, Frederick,
    I was floating the whole time. ;-)  I saw seven shows in six days;
    5 Grateful Dead, 1 Dylan, and 1 Baba Olatunji (Nigerian drummers).
    Met wonderful people, and "drank in" the music, sights, and love.
    I wonder if my being a "deadhead" will change anyone's opinion of 
    me. ;-)  Hope not, 'cause you can never tell!  I am many things. :-)
    
    Jerri

    
    
    RE: .119 Jerri
    
    I often find it difficult to put the "whole" of what I'm saying
    and thinking into the written word.  Sometimes I feel that I can
    and that's when you'll find spurts of noting from me.  More often
    I just can't get it to a point where it can be translated into
    this medium.  So I understand where you may have read my note and
    felt something was missing, even though for me the whole thing
    was there. :-{
    
    Good to hear that you had an enjoyable vacation.  Someday I'm
    going to make it to one of those "gd" concerts just to find out
    what's been going on all these years!
    
    Carole

    Jerri .119
    
    >	My experiences have been that people know much, much more than
    >	they often "act" -- and sometimes, speaking directly to them
    >	with love, is like spirit speaking to spirit.
    
    It IS spirit speaking to spirit.
    
    Kb
    

    re: Jerri
    
          Glad you were able to float among a sea of deadheads!
    
          Personally, for me, five grateful dead concerts in a row
    would be anything but a vacation.  See, we all have different
    priorities!  My five analagous vacation days are being spent
    with Lazaris...but I may also use a couple more days going to 
    Maryland next month.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    
    RE: .122  Frederick
    
    You know, it wouldn't take all that much to make a detour to
    the Boston area so that we could have a get-together.  Maryland
    is a short 1 hour flight from Boston and Worcester.....;-)
    
    Carole

    
    RE: .122  Frederick
    
I second that emotion........;^)

Meredith

    Me too....we've been waiting a long time Frederick?  Say the word and
    we'll party!!!!
    
    Ro
    

    re: last three
    
         That's real nice of you!  I have looked forward to it to...it
    was going to have happened this summer (I thought) because I
    anticipated a high school class reunion in Maryland that never came
    off...(I don't have a clue and neither does the high school.)
    So, anyway, I'll look into it and see what can come of it.  I don't
    have lots of time to use, unfortunately, and there are other "yes,
    buts..."  I'm sure you'll find out if it can happen.
    
    Thanks again mucho large.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    We have Sam Adams beer.
    
    Cindy

    re: .127
    
        Condy-roo, if it doesn't taste like Bud or Coors or Miller's
    or etc., and if it's anything like Molson's or Heineken's, then
    it'll do.  ;-)
    
    Frederick
    

>        Condy-roo, if it doesn't taste like Bud or Coors or Miller's
>    or etc., and if it's anything like Molson's or Heineken's, then
>    it'll do.  ;-)

Frederick,

you mentioned Heineken! Great! :-);-)
Come over to Holland, and I'll let you taste *real* beer.....
:-)
Arie
(who just drank his Chimay)

    Frederick,
    
    Although unsociably late, I was glad to hear you are okay
    out there, and I fourth or fifth the motion for you to the N.E.
    area.  I have this compelling urge to give a noogy to someone
    I have never seen before, until they got within noogy striking
    distance.
    
    Anyway, not only do we have Sam Adams, we also have Bass Ale that is
    great with raw bar delights!
    
    Kb
    
    

re; Frederick, Arie

Heineken is the best only when it's fresh. The Molson is always fresh in
NE, and there's always a cold one at my house. Stop by Fred. ;')

Jay

>Heineken is the best only when it's fresh. 

Another reason to come to Holland and drink the real thing! Still not convinced,
Frederick? Need yet another reason? Well: what do you think Heineken's first
name is?


It's Freddie!
:-):-)
Arie

    Just heard on the radio this morning that for something like the 5th
    year in a row Samuel Adams beer has won the best tasting beer in the
    country (convention was held in Denver I think)...so our local Boston
    brew is still in the running as a lure to get Frederick here!
    
    Roey
    

    
    I'm bringing along a bonafide skeptic intellectual-type to the Laz 
    gathering in December if he doesn't cancel between now and then.  (;^)
    
    For all of you going - PROMISE me you won't tell him I wrote this if 
    you all meet him tho.
    
    Cindy

                                                          
    Freddie - what is the number for Concept Synergy these days?
    
    Condy-roo-Who-from-Whoville  (or was that Whereville?)

    re: .135 (CONdy-roo-boo-hoo)
    
         The much abused 800 number (abused in the sense that it's supposed
    to be only for people who use charge cards to pay for something)
    is 800-678-2356.
    
         AS for taking a skeptic, fine...I certainly wouldn't expect much
    to change his mind after the December talk.  What may happen, though,
    is that at least he'd be less resistant and more open to other
    communications (unless there is the unlikely event the information
    appears to be pure bunk) and that over the next couple of years,
    as he will observe the information to be true (since the December
    session is of a forecasting variety) that *that* may lead him to 
    decide that there is more there than meets the eye.  Otherwise, it'll
    just be a side-show event and the only value is entertainment value.
    
          As a bit of a related piece of information, I attended the 
    evening workshop in Los Angeles last Friday evening and took my
    son with me (he attends Loyola-Marymount about 2 miles away from
    the hotel in which the workshop took place across the street from
    LAX.)  Though he has known about Lazaris as long as I have, he
    has never been too open to having much to do with him (helped in
    large part by a born-again mother who in her delusion thinks of Lazaris
    as an agent of the devil.)  He attended the workshop (which dealt
    with a "proper" subject--success) starting out with arms folded
    across his chest (body language for resistance.)  He ended up the
    evening saying he enjoyed it and that it wasn't "too weird or
    anything" (which is something he had fearfully anticipated)
    but that he fell asleep during both the meditation and the blending
    (a sign of capitulation to the negative ego.)  IN any case, his
    experience was a positive one (he didn't bother to take any notes,
    either.  ;-) )  For me it was nice to be able to share this with
    him...what he does with it is up to him.  And, no, I didn't manipulate
    him into going.  
    
         
    Frederick
    

    re: .122 and a couple of others
    
          Well, if I hadn't been so involved in some of my "junk" 
    (earthquake and a couple of other trips) I might have paid more
    attention and I actually could have pulled it off.  As it is,
    I "screwed up" and will be in Maryland from Dec. 1-4 with a side
    trip to N.J. to visit some cousins, aunt and niece, etc.  With
    a bit more planning, I could have made the Lazaris workshop that
    day (Monday) in Boston...shoot!  Sorry, I just didn't get it 
    together (I've tried changing the tickets but can't--they're the
    $200 round-trip type with lots of restrictions on them.)
    
         But for those that *are* in Boston that night, I should be
    on my way home as you sit and listen to what I'll be listening
    to two weeks later in San Francisco.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    Re.-1 - Oh Freddie!  That's too bad - missed opportunity.  
    
    Anybody here in the Boston area have directions to the place where
    Lazaris will be on Dec.4th?  Any interest in carpooling?  
    
    Cindy

    Hi Cindy,
    
    Would have carpooled with you from Nashua, but it turns out I won't
    be attending the Lazaris evening.  On a limited budget this time of 
    year, it was a toss up between going to the Billy Joel concert this
    Friday night or seeing Laz...so Billy it is!!!
    
    Hope somebody will share their notes with me...
    
    Ro
    

        I didn't quite get there...I was probably in Pittsburg last night
    waiting for my jet to S.F.(O.) about the time Lazaris was scheduled to
    begin talking (only 25 people on the 737...what a luxury!)
    
        ANyway, it was a very nice pleasure to get to finally meet an
    East Coast DEJAVUer (besides Alison who is soon to be a West Coast
    inhabitant) on Sunday in New Jersey (is there any state in the union
    more obnoxious with its toll roads?)  (Meredith, thanks for the 
    opportunity to get to meet with you.)  Boy, that's the coldest air
    I've felt in about 15 years (in New Jersey on Sunday!)
        I thought about you Ro.  I really hope Billy Joel was worth it.
        So at least a few of you attended...how was it?  
    
    Frederick
    

    Ah gee Frederick, I already feel 'guilty' enough...but you know all
    'inner' work and no play makes Ro a dull 'girl'.  The Billy Joel
    concert is this Friday night, so don't know yet whether it was worth
    it or not.  Lot's of heavy stuff happening in my life so I needed
    to 'lighten up' with music instead of 'enlightenment'.  ;')
    
    But all hope is not lost.  On the YCYOR side, I have manifested a
    trip out your way.  I submitted a paper to ITCC (International
    Technical Communication Conference) and it was accepted.  California
    here I come - your neighborhood in fact - Santa Clara around the 20th
    of May.  Maybe I can work in a Laz workshop and get to meet you at
    the same time.  How about that; am I forgiven Frederick??!?
    
    As for Christie Brinkley - I saw her do a Shirley Temple imitation one
    time, ugh poor Billy!!!
    
    Ro
    
    P.S.  The title of the paper 'Women in Corporate Culture:  Recognizing
    and Promoting Your Strengths in the Technical Communications
    Environment' in case you're curious!   8-)
    
    
    

         
    Hi Freddie,
    
    It was GREAT!  Meredith and I found each other at break.  The place was
    filled - approximately 300 people.  I took 14 pages of notes and hope
    to do a report in the next few weeks.
    
    Cindy

    RE.: .141 (ROEY)
    
         Well, as "we" all know, Christie doesn't (as in chauvinistically
    saying "shouldn't") need to "do" anything to be appreciated.  She
    seems to have other socially redeeming, if not stereotypical,
    qualities.  ;-)
    
         That sounds great about coming out here!  Maybe we can plan
    a little temblor or two for you?  :-)  THe Lazaris Intensive in
    S.F. is scheduled for May 10-13 (also there is one the following
    month in Philadelphia.)  So unless you come out a week or so earlier,
    there probably won't be a Lazaris event here that weekend (the 20th.)
    Women in communications, eh?  Sounds like a continuation of notesfiles,
    somehow.  Maybe you'll win a Pulitzer or a Cleo or something?  ;-)
    I wish you well with it.  
          As for overloading on "spirituality", I can understand.  During
    the Intensive in Fla. a few weeks ago, a man I met through Emergence
    workshops (who lives in Fla.) attended his first Lazaris *anything*
    for the four days.  By Saturday night his head was swimming so hard
    he had to watch a basketball or football game just to let it cool off!
    Yeah, sometimes you have to just go out and chop wood...
    
    Frederick
    

Thanks Cindy, I will send you what I have also.  I like it when Lazaris said
next year would be better than this year...this year was the Pits....I kinda
liked this year personally, I created a LOT of good stuff!,,,Yeah, that 
includes meeting you - Frederick- ....and thank you allowing that to happen.


All I can say, folks, is he looks just like his picture and (shhhh!) he's much
nicer in person..8^)


Meredith

    
    
    Hi Frederick and everyone.....
    
    I attended the Lazaris talk last night and as usual found it to
    be very informative.  Not as much humor this time, and that seemed
    ok.  This was the first Lazaris event that Michael attended (my
    partner), and when we got home he thanked me for "pushing" him into
    going (which I didn't really do) and he asked me to make a copy of 
    my notes for him!  Wonders will never cease!  I met up with Meredith
    before things started but missed Cindy, and met three other friends
    - one of whom I haven't seen in 6 years.  Mike and I were already
    tired when we got there and the room was so hot, that by break time
    we decided to leave - so we missed the meditation and blending but
    that felt ok also.  Since this particularly topic is on tape, I'll
    be able to access that process - just in a different way.  
    
    Frederick....I can't believe that you were right in NJ and didn't
    make it to the Boston area to see the rest of us!  It's too bad
    that it didn't work out because it would be fun to meet you face
    to face.
    
    Looking forward to the intensive in June in Philadelphia....
    
    Carole

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               1990        THE YEAR OF THE AWAKENING    1990

REVIEW : AIDS - Heterosexual females fastest 'percentage' growth
                Lousy year - the pits



1990 - MOST IMPORTANT 10 YEARS IN HUMANITY

       whether the worst or best

1 In next decade - You are going to decide the destiny of your planet
  Whether it lives or dies; Just decide not implement

2 The decisions YOU make are going to be VERY REAL ones - Wake up to the
  illusion.   The decisions that YOU MAKE are very real!

3 WHY? - YOU are going to experience the 'end of History' All the doom
  and Gloom has occurred.  NOT the end of the world!  Even the stories
  in Revelations are not the ending.  Individuals struggling within 
  themselves
 
  HISTORY comes to an end as HUMILITY begins - internally
  The next 10 years is the time to build that structure for the next 10
  years after that.


**  INTERNATIONAL **

  This year 'action' not just talk.  There will be Peace among superpowers
  but it will be limited and won't show up till '92-'93.  It will come from
  Leaders and individuals.  People will insist on IMPACT.

  Brush fires of violence - Regional conflicts - but world will not go to 
  war over it.

  Economic necessities - will DEMAND cooperation.
  example: If earthquake in L.A. - it would affect the whole United States 
  within 72 hours.

  4. External becoming internal
     Communism  doesn't work
     The forest is going away - a shift to technology solutions - Good
     3rd - world countries will say "Shut down your factories" because of
     Pollution.  Big countries will say " Stop cutting down your trees"
     There will be a clash and they will blame each other.

**  NATIONAL **

  Politics of Mediocrity

     Single issue politics - like Abortion

     People will pick based on just one issue whether that person is good
     in other areas.  This is wrong and it will create single issue politics

     The politics of Mediocrity
     Quality people will go into private sector because of bureaucracy and
     corruption.  Good people will give up  and there will be worst choices.


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     DESPAIR/VIOLENCE

     DRUG- CRACK- ICE-    YOU ARE ABOUT TO LOOSE A GENERATION TO THESE DRUGS

          It will be unsafe ANYWHERE because of drugs.  These are middle
     class kids now on Ice, crack and cocaine.   Ice is ADDICTIVE from first
     time.

          AIDS - Under- estimated - new cancers are starting

          ATTACK - of WATER, EARTH, AIR - Pollutions - RADAN

    ECONOMICALLY - no recession, But it will feel like it
    conservatism - More Child Abuse


*************************** Positive side *********************************

        DRUGS - WHO'S TO Blame?
                1990 - People ACTION - Communities NOT BLAMING but solving
                                       Drawing people together

                Health - Massive spread of Aids, will see more demonstration
                         of 'alternate healing'

                EARTHQUAKES - more NOT THE BIG ONE
                              much devastations, eruptions in Pacific
                              Will be dealt with less loss of life

                WATER - Recognition  - YOU DON'T GET ANYMORE WATER - closed
                        system.  Begin to see break through

                Economy - NO recession until 1992 - when things will shift
                          dramatically

                THE RISE of the EXCEPTIONAL Person/People 

                 example: Nuclear Fusion - cold fusion 
                 Japan/China are repeating the experiment with better results.
                 Technology will take the lead not going to wait for authority
                 But just do it.

                 Business will teach people what the school system didn't
                 60 % of people can not make change or read a map.
                 There will be classrooms in industries to teach what people
                 should have been taught.

                 Exceptional people 
                 EX:  Man that said he would pay college tuition to individual
                      that got A's

                      ........... THAN FINALLY SPIRITUALITY



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   **** Personal Level ****

    January - the new year begins, sometimes its around the 7th

    "starts off with a Bang"  Lots of energy

    +++ Awakening of FIRE +++  People will be making lots of plans
    loads of intentions

    January, February, March 

    March 10th to the 20th - +++ Awakening of WATER +++

    Rushing living on intention but fire gone - plans fizzle out
    People will realize that there are issues the NEED attention
    A depression - over extended - exhausted - Heaviness

    APRIL - MAY - ++++ The awakening of EARTH ++++

    May - mid to end - Tired of despair
    People will say - Let me look at some of those ideas - Maybe I can do
                      them?  This will continue right into June more building
                      and planning

    JULY, AUGUST, and September - The building, implementing - now actually
                      doing those things.

   ++++ Final Awakening - WINDS ++++ October

    You will either have the wind knocked out of you OR
    YOU will fill your sails - depending on how you dealt with it up till now

    " This will be that YOU decide your GOAL for the future of the planet.

    DECEMBER - to  prepare the flow of energy 

     - SPECIFIC EMOTION -   this year
                                            there are four
- negative -

  1. GUILT - Why ME?  
     EX: My life is working too good, why me?  I was saved from that 
         disaster, why me?  People will feel guilty there kids turned
         out good.   WATCH OUT

  2. DEPRESSION  produces numbness - states of desperate depression 
                 People will lash out!  some will kill love ones

- positive -

  3.  PASSION/COMPASSION - start feeling for people on News.
      EX: Just like the person in front of the tank on Tantic Square
          The soldiers were drugged and that is the only way they would
          kill the students.

      EX: The Berlin WALL - Passion with people tearing down the WALL
                            piece by piece


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  4. Great ENTHUSIASM - Handle the Guilt & depression by feeling 
                        the passion and compassion

      A YEAR of Division - awakening of wind - October
      Those that are escaping reality in human defenseless, those who dominate
      will be going towards the devastation of the planet.!!!!!
      Those with no passion are headed toward 'devastation'.

      BUT those that create and use their energy to create, feel Passion

      2nd division - FEAR - IT'S HOW YOU HANDLE IT
                     That's what makes the metaphysicians
      You will handle fear by retreating, or by numbing yourself
      OR by experiencing it and changing it

      SPIRITUALITY

           Some will draw away and some will go and do a lot more with it.

      WHAT TO DO 

      1. Use each awakening elements

         FIRE - use fire to spark ideas, dreams, and visions
                Don't be impressed by your intention - USE sun - meditatively
                use that energy - light candles - Have a January candle

         WATER - allow yourself to explore your feelings to their depth
                Talk to the water - use a bowl of water

         EARTH - Call upon the earth - use the underworld by going into it
                Dig your hands in the earth - have a dish of earth/dirt

         WIND - Call upon the winds open a window - Blow away the old
                Use it in meditation

         Realize you NEED TO MAKE A DECISION

         Are you playing with metaphysics??
         Act as a dynamite part of Life
         Some will become solid-active in metaphysics   PARTICIPATE  
 
         !!!!! GET involved in your world.  !!!!!!
 
         You don't have to wear a badge, or shove it down anyone's throat
         Continually access where you are with Higher - self, GGA

         beware - of growth flow of energy flow - get ideas, visions

         May - assessment
         Oct - implement them

         Be Alert to your emotions Guilt, depression, passion/compassion
                     DEAL WITH IT!

         BREAK - THROUGH -    ALTERNATE HEALING  will get accreditation
                
                    " Miracles will happen"


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         FINALLY _ Allow yourself to be choosy and act upon your divisions

         AM I living in a world without Passion - 
         involve yourself meditatively & physically

         *** It is YOU who is making the decision NOT the guy in Washington

        **** YOU WILL REALIZE THERE IS A FUTURE TO FOUND ****
    


     
    

               




















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Cindy will add anthing else I might not have heard....

re: .146

    Great notes and thanks Mary!  Now I won't have to take notes here in 
    Atlanta on the 21st - I can sit back, listen and enjoy.  Where were you
    back in high school when I really needed you (and your great noting
    abilities)???

    Terry ;-))

    Thanks Meredith...I'll extract and read them at home tonight.
    
    Hope to see you soon,
    
    Ro
    

re: .147

    oops.  I mean, Thanks Merideth...

Re:

Roey and Terry, You are very welcome.

It was a most rewarding night.  What a great idea Terry!  Now, we can
ask you to do the same thing when you get a workshop before us...;^)
It would be wonderful to just sit there and take 'all' that Lazaris 
says in without worrying about missing something important.

Meredith

RE: 150 (Meredith)

> What a great idea Terry!  Now, we can ask you to do the same thing when 
> you get a workshop before us...;^)

  I'd love to.  In fact, I can post the notes I took from the "Living
  Magically, Every Day" workshop, both lines....  ;-))

  Terry

>>  I'd love to.  In fact, I can post the notes I took from the "Living
>>  Magically, Every Day" workshop, both lines....  ;-))

  I'll take it!...I can not get enough of Lazaris and his wisdom...8^)

Mermik

re: .152 (Merideth)

I guess I lied, it's slightly more than two lines...

Terry

November 16, 1989  Living Magically Every Day (Atlanta)

The tradegies we experience when we think "it doesn't work for me".

    1.  We begin to live out lie.  I am the failure.
    2.  It just doesn't work, it's not possible.
    3.  We retreat into cynicism and this brings on illness.
    4.  When we leave a workshop, the truth we learn won't go away, it
        stays with us.
    5.  The "new" metaphysics/spirituality becomes religion and rote.
    
When we can't bring our metaphysics into the "real" world we retreat into
unreal worlds (ie, Johnny Jones - quasi-military).  We begin to substitute
efficacy of growth with ligitmacy of organization - we give up right for
rote.

To bring more of the magic into our daily life we need to build four bridges.

    1.  A bridge from the illusion to the real (magical) world we experience
        in meditation.
    2.  A bridge to get back.
    3.  A bridge from the physical to the metaphysical, and
    4.  A bridge to get back.
    
Our "reality" is a holographic illusion, a product of thought and feeling
that comes from anticipation and expectation.  The real world is our inner
worlds (emotions).

The bridge of meditation (guidelines):

GUIDELINES:
When we don't meditate it is an issue of time and/or space not of ability.
Meditate at least once, but not more that five times per day.  The length
should be at least 10 minutes but less than 30 (unless guided).  We should
have a 2 to 1 ratio of directed to undirected meditations (directed being
a meditation with a specific purpose or issue to be worked; undirected 
being just experience).

We need to set up a resonance of vibration that will attract our desired
realities into our illusion.

Exercises (focus on regularity and consistancy rather than frequency):
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Running Energy (do in the morning - each step a minute or so)
  
    1.  Visualize vertical energy running up and down (encircling) starting
        in your center then moving right or left then in the other direction
        then back to your center.
    2.  Same thing with horizontal energy moving up, down and back to center.
    3.  Then diagonal energy.
    4.  Next, figure eight energy synchronized with breathing (inhale at 
        center and while energy is in front of you, exhale when energy is
        behind you). Figure eight:  Start at center of body, visualize energy 
        moving up in front of you then over your head, down your back returning 
        to the starting point; then out in front and down to your feet up your
        back side to the starting point.
    5.  Then curved, loose flowing energy pattens all over and around.
    6.  Then circular, up right leg (inhale) out left leg (exhale), in
        right arm (inhale) out left arm (exhale)... repeat
    7.  Random energy, starting at feet (ending point of circular energy).
    
Vitalize your system (endocrine, lymphatic and nervous).

    1.  Endocrine.
 
    Focus on each of the chakras starting with the root chakra.  Visualize
    it spinning, the color and experience its energy.

        A.  Root (tailbone), red, survival (Tighten muscles)
        B.  Genitals, orange, pleasure
        C.  Solar Plexus, yellow, emotions.
        D.  Heart Center (Tyhmus), green, Self love
        E.  Throat, blue, Expression
        F.  Third-eye, purple, intuition
        G.  Crown, white, The Doorway
        
    2.  Lymphatic (grabage bins) Energize them by movement. 
    
        A.  Massage chest with intent to energize lymphatic system.
            Visualize melting wax.  Use right arm/hand to massage left
            upper chest, left arm/hand to do right.
        B.  Raise arms above hear and move hands and fingers.
        C.  Rotate head and neck.
        
    3.  Nervous system.

        A.  Flush.  Visualise your body filling up with water from the feet
            up.  When full, countdown to 1 then flush out all water, carrying 
            with it all the "junk".
        B.  Water Fall.  Visualize standing under a waterfall, washing away all
            the fears, stress, etc.
        C.  Color.  Visualize your body filling up and being surrounded with
            pink light.  See it turn to soft blue then white.  Then visualize 
            it floating away carrying your "junk" with it, then `poof'.
            
Creating Soltitude (not meditation).  Do nothing, just sit from 10 to 30
minutes regularily.

Walk through your screens (see "Having it All").  Visualize a screen that you
can walk through but one that a particular emotion can't penetrate.  As you 
walk through it, see the "junk" stick to the screen.  After passing all the way
through, collect the "junk", mold it into a ball, transform it into a ball of
light (into some desired success) then smear it all over your body.

PHYSICAL TO METAPHYSICAL PROGRAMMING

From the metaphysical into the physical.

    1.  Creating I Ching - a living one.  Look to your reality for answers
        (ie, the book technique ("Illusions", Richard Bach).  Try the 
        dictionary and pay attention to the derivation of the word.
    2.  Allow yourself to develop destiny.  Destiny is not found 'out there'
        in the ethers, it is found in the depths of the physical world.
    3.  Give meaning to all that you do (Zen).
            o  What need is being fullfilled?
            o  How am I being enhanced?
            o  How is it bringing me closer to my Higher Self?
            o  How is it bringing me closer to God/Goddess/All-That-Is
           
        If it doesn't bring you closer, DON'T DO IT.
        
    4.  Develop a rapport with your Higher Self.  Sit together for awhile
        doing what you do best (See Techniques from What Spoils Success,
        the Bottom Line).
        
When these things are done, begin to become aware of what is going on around
you - EVERYTHING WILL BECOME A MESSAGE.  
    

>>I guess I lied, it's slightly more than two lines...

RE: Terry
    
How wonderful!....Terry, you can lie like that anytime....;^)
a big thank you.

Meredith

LAZARIS:  The ONE - DAY                                     Boston, april 28


                     Manifesting your Desires & Dreams Now


                      A full-day workshop with Lazaris


Boston April 28, **** 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.       

The Marriot Copley Place, 110 Huntington Ave., Boston

$125.00 if paid in advance;  $150.00 if paid on arrival

FOR TICKETS Locally....

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Salem, Ma  508/745-7171

Plus a place in Maine, R. I. and 2 places in Conn.

        Just a reminder for you New Englanders:
    
        There will be a Lazaris session Friday night in Boston
    entitled "Discovering Your Personal Depth: A Journey of the Richness
    of Health, Wealth and Success"  (This is the first presentation of
    this anywhere...I will be attending a similarly-titled workshop
    in San Francisco in two weeks.)
        And this coming weekend will be a 2-day with Lazaris also in
    Boston entitled "The Emerging Spiritual Being."
    
    Frederick
    

	Thanks, Fred, it's marked on my calendar.  Is anyone one going
besides Dan?

	This is the last workshop until December in this area...

	Meredith    

        Since you people out there in Boston-land get to go to this
    two weeks before I do, don't let me hear everything about it, okay?
    ;-)
        ...next Wednesday, Dec. 5.
    
    Frederick