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| 836.1 | Kundalini (I thought it was a type of pasta!) | USACSB::OPERATOR_CB | never the same twice | Mon Aug 22 1988 07:36 | 55 |
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How to find someone knowlegable/sane and familiar with Kundalini
isn't impossible, but does require some detective work. The important
thing to remember in everything is that if you need help it IS
available. Possibly not in the wrappings that you wanted or expected
but it is there.
Although it is true you most likly wont find many "Kundalini Clubs"
in your area. It doesn't mean there isn't anyone interested in it.
It appears to me that it is a personal adventure/trip and that teachers
would be nearly impossible to find. However "helpers" would possibly
be easyer to find and might be better in the long run.
The majority of my family members are involved with government and/or
social services. (I apologise) However through this exposure I have
found that there are numerous way to utilize the wonderous buracracy
we support.
Most states/counties have computerised networks to help people find
services they are interested in or need. Now I am not suggesting
calling and requesting information on Kundalini but perhaps a request
for a therapist, Psychiatrist, counselor familiar with Hindu beliefs
will get you a few leads. From there you can write the doctors or
groups requesting info on "The Big K". Upon your reply you may want
to correspond again or perhaps make an appointment to discuss what
you have done, what you are doing, your questions and your concerns,
and any advice, comments they may have. (Most likly will cost some
bucks.)
Not only will you be corresponding at times to someone familiar
with Kundalini but verry possibly a trained counselor, therapist,
or like in my sisters case, phychiatrists.
Sis has had contact with a couple of Psychiatrists who appear
to be very knowledgable in Kundalini and it is interesting that
both of them are Hindu and are working with people who have
schitzophrenia. (2000 mg LSD???) My sister is now working with
one Psychiatrists as a counselor (no she didn't just walk into
this job because of her intrest in Kundalini. She has a Masters in
something and has always been working with people with emotional/
behavioral (is that a word?) problems. she also has me as a
brother.) ;-)
If Social Services yeilds no fruit you may wish to try contacting
various mental health centers in your area requesting assistance.
as Archie Bunker said...
"People who go to see a Psychiatrist should have their heads examined!"
Although this may not be what you expected I hope it can be of help?
Craig.
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| 836.2 | kundalini lot is false | VIDEO::SU | | Thu Apr 27 1989 15:50 | 16 |
| hello,
lots of funny stuff is presented to ignorant seekers as Kundalini
expoeriences.
Real Kundalini is most beautifull thing and awakens spontanous; you can never pay for it; anybody
can have it; most children are even born with a raised Kundalini,
wich falls down after monts or years do to ignorance of parents.
False Kundalini energy can be very dangerous. So look out.
Today i replied note 165.31
You may read it, it is on Kundalini as higher dimensionality in
human beings.
Remember golden rule: if they charge you, it cannot be real Kundalini.
johan
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| 836.3 | yeah .2, but.. | CIMAMT::TOLAA | | Wed Sep 06 1989 16:47 | 48 |
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If you're a very intense practicioner of some yogic discipline
then maybe, if your very persistent, you could irritate the Kundalini
energy and it could cause you problems. Otherwise, you probably
will never have to worry about it because Kundalini is not something
that's easy to rouse. I have heard of at least one case of a man
who has to sit in ice water several times a month because he gets
a sensation of intense heat in his spine. He was one of the extremely
persistent ones who had no guidance. Apparently there are also
a few people in whom the Kundalini awakens on its own. The writer
and yogi Gopi Krishna who himself had a very strong spontaneous
Kundalini awakening thought that a considerable percentage of
the world's psychiatric patients may be misdiagnosed cases of
spontaneous Kundalini awakening.
There are also a some teachers around who can affect a partial
Kundalini awakening in their students through their own mental
power and because they themselves haven't mastered this force
in runs out of control in certain students. The proper guidance
is the important thing, and this can't be obtained from a psychiatrist,
unless the psychiatrist also happens to be a spiritual adept.
Someone who's totally established in the Spirit can awaken the
Kundalini in others (if that's their way) and can also control
an out-of-control Kundalini. There was a teacher called Swami
Muktananda who came to the US from India in the late seventies and
early eighties. I knew of several cases of people who went to him
for help when the Kundalini ran wild and just by willing it,
he brought it back to a tolerable level of activity. One woman
I spoke to was a graduate student who had gone to India to study
a Shaivite sect for her thesis. While there she met a monk
who gave her a deep look into her eyes and triggered this awakening
inside her. She very soon began having experiences that started out
pleasurable but became very intense and painful. She came back to
the States and happened to go to see Muktananda. She told him
about the incident and what had happened to her. He shrugged
and said "Hmmmph. Not such a great being." (referring to the
inability of the monk to control the process he had started in the
woman.) He then tapped her on the head. She said she never had
any unpleasant effects after that.
So the best thing to do to awaken the Kundalini or to damp the fires
when they get to hot is probably to go to a real adept for help.
Again, the whole issue is moot in most cases.
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| 836.4 | For some Yoga, it is painful... | ROXIE::SU | | Wed Sep 06 1989 18:04 | 50 |
| When Kundalini rises, She pierces through the Chakras in our body
from the sacre bone and ascend through our last center of Sahasrara
(the fontanell bone on top of our head). She can be felt in the
form of cool breeze both in our hands and top of our head. Thus
written in Koran:
"That day shall we set A Seal on their mouths,
But their hands will Speak."
That day means the resurrection day, the day the Spirit in you
become awakening. This is the same as Christ has talked about
been reborn again.
Kundalini cannot be awakening by anybody. The person who awaken
your Kundalini has to be authorized by the "Unconsciousness", the
Divine. The person who initiates this has to be an enlightened
"realized" soul to begin with.
Of all the Sahaja Yogis/yoginis in this world, none of them have
any form of irritating, uncomfortable ill effect at all. A simple
fact just to point out Kundalini cannot be raised by just anybody.
A good pilot can land a plane smoothly, and a bad pilot might get
you into a torturous bumpy ride or even crashed landing.
Not only that, in Sahaja Yoga (detail discussion in #401), when
Kundalini rise up in the form of cool breeze (or cool flame) She
put you into the total joy of silence. You become a self-realized
being, you were born again in the Spirits. Because you are in the
center path of Spirits energy, you are totally well balanced
physically. What does that means? It is a fulfillment of all
theology religions have described in the past. It is not a
business of believing but a business of experiencing.
Sahaja Yoga taught us how to become the Spirit ourselves, how to
become your own guru. Through vibrations of chaitanya (The
attention) which appeal like cool breeze one can detect for oneself
as to what is reality. The Being realizes that it becomes the
carrier of the dynamic force of Divine Love. He understands and
records its working. Then only one realizes the meaning of human
personality which has evolved from an amoeba to this stage. The
totality of man is felt through the spiritual synthesis of physical,
emotional and mental beings.
For a real seeker it is necessary to open the mind to receive the
light of self-realization. He should not discard or accept anything
before the self-realization. Because none of the knowledge whether
real or fake has granted self-ralization. About Kundalini and
spiritual happening also there are many books. Some of them are
correct, some of them confused and some of them are absolutely false.
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| 836.5 | Side effects of Awakening found in Book | ZGOV05::JAMESLIAW | | Mon Feb 12 1990 03:59 | 21 |
| There was some mention of kundalini in a book that sounds like
Gods of a New age by somebody who had been with Muktananda, Sai Baba
and Ranesh. Although the book started somewhat positively and holy
, the ending indicated otherwise. Although not all yogas are
indicated in the book, it seems that there were some bad effects
that the author wanted to caution pracitioners of yoga,kundalini
or whatsoever.
Peharps it might be a good thing just to read this book before
proceeding with whatever practices we are doing with whatever
masters....
Just a cautionary note not meant to insult, injure anybody or any
beliefs.
Regards
James
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| 836.6 | questions... | VLSI::BAKER | | Wed Feb 13 1991 11:42 | 18 |
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I have just started reading about the Kundalini and have lots of questions.
I was reading some selections from Gopi Krishna's autobiography and
it said he meditated for 17 years before his Kundalini became
activated. If it took him 17 years for this to happen how can
Shri Mataji activate peoples Kudalini so easily?
Also, for those of you who have had this experience is it as dramatic as
Gopi Krishna writes about? He writes about it being a brilliant and
indescribable experience which sounds wonderful.
If you do want to experience it how would you go about finding a
guide? Is it worth the risk of the psychological problems that
so many people seem to have?
Just curious.
Karin
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| 836.7 | left-field opinion | DWOVAX::STARK | | Wed Feb 13 1991 13:54 | 33 |
| Karin,
fwiw, I have a perspective on the serpent that is somewhat askew of Yogic
tradition.
In his research on the effects of LSD tripping on the psyche,
Timothy Leary proposed that three factors have an effect on how
the individual responds to and assimilates the experience into
their life : dosage, mind set, and sensory setting.
I believe that your experience and personal incorporation of
Kundalini rising would depend on the same kinds of factors.
I've frequently experienced effects very similar to what is described as
at least the first few stages of the activation of Kundalini from a number
of different practices and situations. Once you start doing it, it
becomes easier. You learn more about how your own nervous system works.
The emotional effects are sometimes very strong. If you are not in the
right mind-set and the right setting when you experience these feelings,
it could easily do very strange things to your mind, in my opinion.
Other people's opinions of my mind might concur. :-)
A lot of people seem to come out paranoid or delusionary if they aren't
properly prepared, just like with the LSD tripping. I perceive that the
nervous system is very very vulnerable to deep new imprints during the
activation of Kundalini. That's one reason why clearing the mind and
learning a certain amount of concentrative discipline is
important (I believe) before attempting it by any means.
kind regards,
Todd
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| 836.8 | The Human evolution has reached the epitome | ROYALT::SU | | Wed Feb 13 1991 20:55 | 35 |
| Karin,
In the old days, all those ascetic yogis tried the only way known at
that time: Get away from the chaotic society, family, jobs you name it
and spent tremendous amount of time just meditating to cleanse their
subtle Chakras, purify their mind, hoping their act will please God and
achieving their self-realization, the enlightenment - the rising of
Kundalini. It could take them life time just to do that.
But today, the blossom time has come. Shri Mataji raise our Kundalini
in En-Mass scale. She reverse the process - first allow Kundalini to
pierce our last Chakra on top of fontanell bone. By doing that she
awaken our subtle nerves system through parasympathetic (center
channel) first and let us aware our catch so that we can cleanse our
body without leaving the society, family and carreer. In a sense, our
penance starts here. We learn it while we live it. To use an analogy
is that first you turn on the light in a dark room, so that you can see
where the dirts are and clear it out of our way. This is called
Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja means spontaneous, natural.
Today, Sahaja Yoga is practiced by thousands of people in more than 40
counties all over the world. Sahaja Yoga is not a club. The only
organization you will see is a center where some yogis teach this
technique. The so called center is where they put up their own money,
spent their precious time, and rent a clean place so they can teach others
- like a lit candle can lit another candle. Where else you can find such
a charity of pure minded.
If someone willing to learn from a drug additive or a drunkar instead of
learning from a dharmic righteous person (knowing what is right, what is
wrong). This is clearly a matter of personal discrimination.
More on Sahaja Yoga is discussed in note 401.*.
-Paulo
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| 836.9 | Just be explicit about what is happening. | DWOVAX::STARK | | Thu Feb 14 1991 13:35 | 28 |
| re: Note 836.8
ROYALT::SU (Paulo)
> a dharmic righteous person (knowing what is right, what is
> wrong).
The techniques are useful, the morality jive quoted above is irrelevant
to that usefulness, in my opinion.
I believe that right and wrong are subjective, a matter of personal
moral discrimination. I hope that the remarks in .8 about "drunkars and
drug additives" (sic) is from your personal value system, and not that
fostered (and imprinted on others, imo) by Sahaja Yoga, as that would seem
to imply that the practice you are recommending would tend to foster what
I would consider unfair predjudice against recovering alcholics and others
whose behavioral habits or substance abuse problems might be then confused
with their moral character.
I believe it should be explicit that going to a center to learn how to
engage in the practice and experience of raising Kundalini will tend to
cause some of the beliefs and values fostered by that center to become
imprinted on your nervous system. That is in my opinion the
consequence of making that choice, and it should be taken very, very
seriously.
respectfully,
Todd
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| 836.10 | It's really in the little things... | CGVAX2::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Thu Feb 14 1991 21:00 | 52 |
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Hi Karin,
(Sahaja Yoga comments aside, since I've not experienced that...)
I've had two significant (what I believe to be) kundalini experiences.
Both were not of my own will nor were either a goal I was trying to
obtain. Both, rather, were 'bestowed' (for lack of a better term)
through a gift of grace. I was sufficiently ready, and they happened.
Again what I believe is that if you practice becoming more conscious of
your Self - the thoughts you think, the foods you eat, the state of
mind you are in, the exercises you do - and listen to your body's
wisdom vs. forcing your will onto your body, the more prepared you will
become to be able to experience this gift of grace as well. Spend
quiet time by yourself in a state of receptivness (meditation/prayer)
and become a witness to the thoughts that come and go in your mind.
A few excellent books to read are: "Autobiography Of A Yogi", by
Yogananda, "The Essense of Self-Realization - the Wisdom of Yogananda"
by Kriyananda (J.Donald Walters), and any other books by these authors
as well. I just picked up Gopi Krishna's book last week and haven't
read very much of it yet, so can't help you there yet.
My second experience happened while at Kripalu Center in Lenox, Mass.
(see corresponding topic in the conference by this name). During this
time my body filled with light and suddenly everything everywhere
became One in that light. The energy at Kripalu is amazing - just
driving into the place is a wonderful experience of peace and calm. If
you live nearby or wish to know more, contact me offline for a
brochure. The yogi who founded this place is Yogi Amrit Desai (or
Gurudev), and his teacher Swami Kripalv-longname (;^) was who he named
the place after (also known as Bapuji).
Yogananda once said (paraphrasing) that "When you hold negative
thoughts, your kundalini descends, and when you hold positive thoughts,
your kundalini rises." This is not to say you cannot get angry or
anything, but it is important to be angry consciously vs. being ruled
by your anger and acting unconsciously out of it. Becoming conscious
is the key.
As for other people activating kundalini - my first experience was with
a dear friend who has a very large capacity to love. Around my friend
I always felt very joyful and happy. Become aware of how you feel in
the presense of people in general, and seek out those you feel joyful
and happy with, and chances are quite good that your kundalini is
rising as a direct result, because we are affected by our environment.
Or if you like to walk in a certain forest, chances are also good that
this is happening. Or reading spiritually-inspiring books (Yogananda's
books really do this for me.)
Cindy
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| 836.11 | yes. | DWOVAX::STARK | | Fri Feb 15 1991 11:27 | 8 |
| >Or reading spiritually-inspiring books (Yogananda's
> books really do this for me.)
Reading some people's Notes does it for me, sometimes.
:-)
TOdd
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| 836.12 | | WILLEE::FRETTS | If u want to heal, u have to *feel* | Fri Feb 15 1991 13:17 | 21 |
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RE: .10 Cindy
>Again what I believe is that if you practice becoming more conscious of
>your Self - the thoughts you think, the foods you eat, the state of
>mind you are in, the exercises you do - and listen to your body's
>wisdom vs. forcing your will onto your body, the more prepared you will
>become to be able to experience this gift of grace as well.
>Yogananda once said (paraphrasing) that "When you hold negative
>thoughts, your kundalini descends, and when you hold positive thoughts,
>your kundalini rises." This is not to say you cannot get angry or
>anything, but it is important to be angry consciously vs. being ruled
>by your anger and acting unconsciously out of it. Becoming conscious
>is the key.
I agree with both these statements of philosophy, especially the
listening to your body rather than forcing it.
Carole
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| 836.13 | I did it... | VLSI::BAKER | | Fri Feb 15 1991 13:37 | 26 |
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Well I did activate my Kundalini but I didn't really mean to.
I have had some health problems over the last six months and I was meditating
and concentrating on the parts of my body that I have been having problems
with(my right arm and leg). When all of a sudden I felt a stirring from the
base of my spine and felt this rushing upwards and the warm light. I was
frightened at first and immediately realized what it was and brought myself
back down from the meditation. It was quite a jolt.
I stopped the experience because I really wasn't certain my reason for doing
it and also I was unsure whether I should have a some sort of spiritual guide.
I learned how to meditate about 5 years ago but haven't done it since until
I became sick. I have meditated maybe twice over the past 6 months. I was
taught always to have a question or focus when I meditated and that mere
meandering wasn't really productive.
I am a little disturbed about the experience and feel like I have awoken a
sleeping giant but I am also happy and sort of in awe. I am not sure of my
path and purpose in this life but maybe this will show me the way? Hope this
all doen't sound too off the wall. Thanks so much for your responses, your
notes have opened my eyes quite a bit.
Cheers,
Karin
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| 836.14 | You know what's best for you. | DWOVAX::STARK | | Fri Feb 15 1991 14:43 | 39 |
| re: .13, VSLI::BAKER,
Wow, that's great, Karin ! :-)
In my opinion, you are asking all the right questions, and
are progressing very well with your focused meditation and body
awareness. I'd love to hear more about it if you want to enter it.
The uncertainty about having a guide seems natural.
I feel that you have that guide within you, although it is very quiet
compared to the feelings brought on by the rising serpent. If you become
frightened about what is happening, I'd suggest discontinuing until you
can confer personally with someone experienced that you respect.
That's not because they know more than you about operating your own
mind and body, but because they can help allay your fears and give you a
new perspective. I don't personally put my trust in people with large
followings who seem to be deified by their followers, but that's clearly
just my arbitrary personal prejudice. Some of those people are very,
very skillful at what they do, and seem to have many admirable qualities.
The fear of Kundalini in itself changes the experience you are producing,
and can take you on a fear-based tangent, from my experience. Maybe
my paranoia of organized religion is the result of my own tangent. ;-)
I would think that's one of the reasons why traditional Yogic practices
often warn against do-it-yourself programs. The Theospohists had the same
perspective. In The_Inner_Life, Leadbeater devoted most of a chapter
to telling people about all the unimaginable horrors of
activating Kundalini without a guide. The horrors come from people's
own psyche (imo). That's why self-awareness is such an important part of
the process. You seem to be developing that self-awareness for
yourself without the need for a guru.
I'd say, respect the significance to yourself of every feeling that you
produce and and find your own inner guidance, and you have nothing to fear.
Very joyful journey !
Todd
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| 836.15 | | CGVAX2::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Mon Feb 18 1991 15:31 | 13 |
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Hi Karin,
That's wonderful! Thanks for sharing that.
With my own experiences, it's typically happened that I'll have an
experience, *then* the books appear which help me to understand what
happened. Sounds like this might be why you're reading Gopi Krishna's
account, because it is most like what happened to you. It is always
comforting to find someone else out there who understands, even if it's
only in a book.
Cindy
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| 836.17 | An attempt... | CGVAX2::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Tue Feb 19 1991 13:49 | 24 |
| RE.16
Hi Paul,
It's a challenge to put the experience into words...
When it happened, I was seated in meditation in the main chapel with my
eyes closed. Imagine how it feels if you have your eyes closed and
someone asks you to picture a forest (or something) in your minds eye.
That's the way I sensed it, yet I was also participating in the picture
and perceived myself full of the light as well. The light was first
inside of me, imploded, then ex-ploded, and in my minds eye I could only
see light. It was different than sunlight. At that same moment, I saw
images of people who caused me the most pain in this incarnation also
engulfed in the light (that is when I realized that all was One
together), and duality ceased to exist...they melted into the same
light.
When the ex-plosion happened, my heart center (chakra) became
incredibly warm physically, and tears came to my eyes. A few moments
later, the lady next to me took my hand and that brought me back to
being conscious of the physical environment.
Cindy
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