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| 791.1 | my two cents | USACSB::OPERATOR_CB | | Mon Jul 11 1988 06:13 | 54 |
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Hello!
I had a similar situation to your sister when I was very young.
I was "playing with the occult"(CM) and had access to too much material
at too young an age and was doing it for all the wrong reasons.
Now looking back I get goose-bumps thinking about what I did and
what I got.
No one really knew how in depth I was getting except a school
teacher who had some knowledge about the supernatural ect. and was
intrigued by what he thought was a remarkably knowledgeable 13 year
old. The more I talked the more he asked questions and soon I could
see real concern replacing the intrest. I remember he said something
that makes more sence now than then and that was.
"people who play in the highway shouldn't be surprised when
they get hit by trucks."
I doubt I would have listened to anyone whop tried to stop what
I was doing since it was fueled in part by rebellion.
The only advice I would recomend is to let her know you are
there if she needs you, wants to talk, at any time, any place ect.
I would also voice displeasure in the Seances in the house. (she
will most likely continue them in the open or behind your back but
thats normal) but a strong established anti-seance figure who is
available for conference can be more helpful than a condoneing<sp?>
brother.
I would also try to get rid of the fear you might have. Although
possibly justified, fear can inhibit discussion, cause blindness,
cause distrust ect. and throwing your own neg energy into this
sticky situation might not help things, or help you to keep things
in perspective if she does need you later.(FEAR also might be what
she is trying to accomplish?)
Keep a cool head, ask questions, voice concern, let her know
you love her (TELL HER), dont participate, be available, and
LISTEN.
Try to think of it like a kid with a stove. you can talk yourself
blue in the face telling the kid that the stove is hot but you cant/
shouldn't? tie his/her hands.
Sometimes its hard but you have to just watch sometimes and
not say "I TOLD YOU SO, STUPID!" when they run crying to you and
start telling you that the stove was hot. Then its time to bring
out the hugs and a hand.
Keep yourself strong for when she asks for your help, and then
be careful!
Best of luck!
Craig
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| 791.2 | ... and mine ... | MARKER::KALLIS | Anger's no replacement for reason | Mon Jul 11 1988 12:38 | 58 |
| Re .0 (as)_:
> ............. Recently, after breaking up with a new boyfriend she
>has begun playing with the occult. Several people in my mother's
>house acclaim to have seen the spirit of her boyfriend in the house
>since his death. She has started conducting seances, and due to
>the spiritual nature of the house, we are convinced that she is
>bringing danger upon herself. We have tried to warn her and get
>her to stop but she doesn't seem at all concerned.
Apparently, from what you've said previously, she still had a fairly
strong emotional bond to the boy who suicided. That being the case,
if she evoked his spirit [or something masquerading as his spirit],
she would feel at ease: if there were any feelings of guilt (which
wouldn't have to be justified; just present), "bringing back" the
lost one would most likely seem to her as a relief or expiation.
The result is that, actual dangers or not, she would feel serene and
would be unlikely to feel threatened.
Re .1 (Craig):
>I was "playing with the occult"(CM) and had access to too much material
>at too young an age and was doing it for all the wrong reasons.
>Now looking back I get goose-bumps thinking about what I did and
>what I got.
> ...
> "people who play in the highway shouldn't be surprised when
> they get hit by trucks."
You had a wise teacher.
There are a few things to remember:
1) The younger a person is, the more likely he or she is to succumb
to the "It can't happen to _me_" syndrome: below about 25, most
people feel in their heart of hearts that they are immortal, unless
they're put in _easily perceived_ life-threatining situations.
2) "Playing" doesn't restrict itself to the occult. Playing with
_many things_ can be dangerous; it's important to encounter certain things
during one's life, but making a game out of some of these can have
unpleasant consequences.
I've said it before, but it's worth repeating: the paranormal is
nothing to "play around" with. Serious and careful research is
one thing, but it's _not_ a game, and shouldn't be treated as one.
> The only advice I would recomend is to let her know you are
>there if she needs you, wants to talk, at any time, any place ect.
>I would also voice displeasure in the Seances in the house.
This is excellent advice. Saying, "I'll support you, but I don't
think you're taking the right approach" would be a lot more effective
than a simple, "Don't _do_ that," would ever be.
Best wishes!
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 791.3 | Bad Vibrations | MCIS2::MCCONNELL | | Mon Jul 11 1988 13:06 | 14 |
| Hi All,
She has had a bad experience that has made her stop fooling
around. She was in her room when she was hit on the head with
somthing causing her to bleed. I guse that was enough to scare
the crapola out of her... I know it would me! The only problem
now is there seems to be a bad feeling in her room, which she
refuses to go into. Any ideas???
Steve
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| 791.4 | Cleansing | SHRFAC::BRUNDIGE | | Mon Jul 11 1988 13:27 | 12 |
| RE -1
Cleanse the room. How is up to you, but the action is what
is needed. At the same time this may help your sister
resolve her attachment to the old boyfriend. If you were
Native I'd recommend smoking white sage wafted thru the
room and the house using an eagle wing to move the smoke into
all the areas that the skele (bad spirits) hide. But you
pick your own way. But definately (opinion) a cleansing is
warranted. All Good Medicine.
Russ
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| 791.5 | Call in the "specialists" | WHEEL::BISHOP | | Mon Jul 11 1988 19:31 | 11 |
| Also, it might be wise to bring in someone more "mature" in this
area. If you do not have a good psychic willing to help, maybe
someone on line can suggest one (tried and true) in your area.
This may open a teaching source for your sister and you, if you
have the interest. It sounds like you have some fears (certainly
not unfounded) that could be redirected to understanding.
Good Wishes
Dawna
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| 791.6 | Reply to .5, Bishop, (She has to do it herself) | NEXUS::MORGAN | Human Reality Engineering, Inc. | Mon Jul 11 1988 20:33 | 29 |
| I've given advice on this before. For her (not for you):
She must acknowledge the psychic link to the etheric shell of her ex
boy friend. This can be done quiting onself in a safe space and
visualizing a psychic channel (about the width of her heigth) from her
to the etheric shell. The channel will seem strong and flowing.
She should project over to the shell thoughts along the line of "it's
over, please go away." 5 or 10 minuites of this would not be overly
long and may infact be too short a period of time.
After feeling that the message was communicated she should shrink the
psychic channel down to the width of a pin and then sever the channel
entirely. She should check herself periodicly to see if the channel
is opened again. If so shrink and sever till it forms no more. Repeat
as needed.
Afterwards some form of projected protection are called for. Usually
a form of blue or white bubble of psychic energy is used to establish
a field of reference. She can find advice on that in many different
books on psychic self defense.
The key element is the clarity and depth of the visualization. A face
to face confrontation with the ex is effective. For the channel I uses
a flexible, spiraling white tunnel that I can walk down or project
energy through.
Of course it is better that she do this herself. Teach her to do
it right the first time and she won't have to ask again.
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| 791.7 | ??????????? | USACSB::OPERATOR_CB | | Tue Jul 12 1988 06:22 | 33 |
| re: .3
Steve,
With what little detail you are limited to with mail it is hard
to say the cause or the best cure, but to again bless you with
my drabble here again is my 2 cents...
a) Something caused your sister to get hurt.
b) It was either an accident or done on purpose.
c) If it was done on purpose either she did it or something
else did it.
d) If it was an accident...why the fear?
my conclusion...GET OUTSIDE HELP
it is hard to say if this is in the field of the Paranormal
or the normal yet. so start by eliminating one of the two.
Paranormal is rather difficult to eliminate so I would advise to
look into the realm of the normal first.
I know it may be a bit too traditional for this file :-)
but has your family considered going to a counselor? Some can
be pretty good eggs and even if the problems deal with only one
member of your family the can help the others to help the person
going through the difficult experiance/time.
take care!
Craig-who-is-<25-and-very-very-mortal.
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| 791.8 | | SCOMAN::RUDMAN | Overeat,v. To dine. | Fri Aug 19 1988 17:19 | 31 |
| Steve,
Craig (.7) came the closest to my thoughts. .0, at best, was an
overview of the sitaution. My basic question is this: What is
your sister's ultimate goal regarding the deceased? Does she wish
to chat once in as while, or is she looking for something more
permanent? She can't bring him back (as far as I know) so, if
she wishes to be with him, what is her alternative?
My advice is to get closer, try to be around if the seances, etc.,
continue. You'll need to gain her confidence to seek professional
help. A counselor sounds right; it doesn't matter if all this is
legit or if she's making it up--the point is she seems to be off on
a tangent which is definitely harmful, both physically and mentally.
Regardless of how the head injury occured, she has caused a self-
inflicted wound. You or someone in the house had better assume
more responsibility/control before the situation gets worse. (In
a way this was a fortunate occurance, often the signs are low-profile
until something drastic happens.)
Taking a more active role will also allow you to evaluate the
actuality of the supernatural aspects of situation. (Have you been
witness to any strange happenings? Data, data, data.) Whatever
the case, don't make the mistake of trying to heal the house
instead of the mind.
Good luck.
Don
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