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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

697.0. "Info on 6th & 7th Books of Moses?" by ROLL::BEFUMO (Life is like a beanstalk...isn't it?) Thu Apr 07 1988 14:38

    I have a book called "THE 6TH AND 7TH BOOKS OF MOSES", which I found
    in a used book store years ago.  It's a little paperback, with no
    copyright info.  The cover states the price as 25-cents, and says:
    "published for the trade"  It is VERY yellowed an brittle, and contains
    various illustrations of talismans, and accompanying invocations.
    Someone knowledgable in rare books once told me that it probably
    dated to somewhere before the turn of the century.  Has anyone ever
    seen anything like this, or have any further information?
    						joe
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697.1author! author!MARKER::KALLISWhy is everyone getting uptight?Thu Apr 07 1988 15:1737
    I don't have a copy, but it's been around for some time and is sold
    to this day.  Instead of $0.25, it generally now costs a buck or
    so, and it's _still_ being published.
    
    The basis for this curiousity is that in the tale of Exodus, when
    God spoke to Moses out mo the burning bush, He showed Moses how
    to perform some miracles (and while DeMille showed the rod-into-serpent
    trick in his movie, he fell short of showing Moses' hand turn leprous
    and then be restored, which Moses learned to do at the same time).
    Whoever penned the subject book built upon the story of these events
    and others (parting the Red Sea, having water come from a rock in
    the desert, etc) to the point of making Moses a master magician
    and then having the spells, etc., of the book supposedly having
    been passed down from him.
    
    I have yet to see any serious scholarship to suggest, much less
    demonstrate, that the book is anything but spurious.  
    
    It's a curiousity. Neat that you got so old a copy.  Since it's being
    published today, though, if anyone's interested, it's easily available
    in occult shops.  Just don't take it too seriously.
                     
    A point here:  In some circles, the idea about "occult writings"
    is "the older, the better."  Thus, people who want to fob off an
    idea or increase the apparent value of something they're trying
    to publish/sell would rather attribute it to an ancient author than
    to themselves.  Many spurious works were attributed to Alburtus
    Magnus  [and at least one current writer of alchemical works uses
    the nom-de-plume of "Alburtis"], and the _Clavicle Solomonis_ was
    almost certainly written centuries after Solomon was dead [the
    _Clavicle_ is, nevertheless, scholasstically interesting].  Consider:
    what sounds more impressive: _The Art of Talismanic Magic_ by Ophiel,
    or _The Art of Talismanic Magic_ by Ed Peach?  "Ophiel," I've been
    told, is the pseudonym of Ed Peach.  Doubtless the author(s) of
    the _6th and 7th Books of Moses_ operated under the same logic.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
697.2The Art of Logical ImplicationsAISVAX::JOHNSONMon Aug 29 1988 12:213
    As usual Steve your logic is impeccable!
    
    Samurai Writer
697.4doubt a "trip"LESCOM::KALLISAnger's no replacement for reason.Wed Jun 14 1989 12:4621
    Re .3 (Jim):
    
    >I don't intend to offend religious fundamentalists, but the collocation
    >of these 4 things - burning bush, rod-into-serpent, leprous hand, and
    >talking bush is suggestive of accidental ingestion of a hallucinogenic
    >substance.
     
    Well, though a Christian, I'm not a fundamentalist.  Interesting
    idea, but recall that the burning bush was also the talking bush.
    In addition, not only could Moses turn a staff into a snake and
    vice versa, but so could Pharaoh's priests.  As it happened, Moses'
    "snake" was able to eat up the other three. [Ex 7:10-12.  As it
    happened, it was Aaron's rod, which Moses had been given the power
    to "snake"; DeMille, among others, conveniently overlooked this
    for the sake of the story.]  If somebody doesn't see the symbolic
    parallel to Pharaoh's dream in the story of Joseph (seven fat kine
    eaten up by seven lean kine -- Gen 41:17-21) I'll gently point it
    out now.  Regrettably, literalists overlook the rich symbolic content
    of the early parts of the Bible.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.