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| 624.1 | | KRYPTN::GERTZ | BuTRflysRFree | Thu Jan 14 1988 15:17 | 11 |
| Alastair,
I'd like to know more about Astrological Twins and the way you
describe the meaning. Are you speaking about Twin Souls, Soulmates?
I have a twin brother who was born about 5 or ten minutes after
I was, yet he's quite different than I am, his personality etal.
I'm confused...:-)
Charlene
(Aries w/Leo rising..;-)
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| 624.2 | | CSC32::WOLBACH | | Thu Jan 14 1988 19:02 | 7 |
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I too am interested and would like more information...
Deborah
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| 624.3 | | SNOC01::MYNOTT | | Thu Jan 14 1988 19:37 | 5 |
| I know Australia is a long way down under, but yes, please I would
like more info.
....dale
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| 624.4 | Same bat time same bat channel | SALES::RFI86 | Ain't no time to hate | Mon Jan 18 1988 19:40 | 5 |
| As it has been explained to me by my father. Astrological twins
have to be born at the exact same time, in the same city and preferably
in the same hospital.
Geoff
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| 624.5 | Contact address.... | DGMT01::DUDLEY | Vorsprung durch technik | Wed Jan 20 1988 09:40 | 35 |
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>
> I'd like to know more about Astrological Twins and the way you
> describe the meaning. Are you speaking about Twin Souls, Soulmates?
> I have a twin brother who was born about 5 or ten minutes after
> I was, yet he's quite different than I am, his personality etal.
>
I guess that actual twins are by definition astrological twins as well,
but of a different nature - I've got some young twins in my family
who are very different to each other; I've been told that they are
the yin and the yan of each other. One of them beats the other up
the whole time !
Helen would be most interested in anybody who can provide any input to
this research at all - actual twins or just singles. It will require
all sorts to research the subject properly. Her database is still
quite small, and she will readily correspond with anyone who would
like to participate.
Here is her address,
Helen Greengrass,
No.2 Croft Cottages,
Wattisfield, Nr. DISS
Suffolk, England
Alternatively I will be happy to pass on your Date/Time/Place of
birth if you send me some VAXMail to HAMPS::DUDLEY, SAC::DUDLEY
or DGMT01::DUDLEY that includes your address as well so's she can
get back to you.
Hope to hear from you,
Alastair.
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| 624.6 | A few minutes CAN make a BIG difference | LAIDBK::SHERRICK | Molly :^) | Wed Jan 20 1988 17:11 | 23 |
| People who are born in the same place within ten minutes of one
another do not necessarily have very similar astro. charts. For
instance, the ascendant may be different by several degrees, and
this may shift the entire placement of the houses of the persons
natal chart. If this happens, then the placement of the ruling
planets of those houses may be totally different.
My ascendant is at 27 degrees capricorn, and that is the start
of my first house. Let's say that I have a twin born 15 minutes
later. The twin's ascendant is in aquarious, and so is the start
of the twin's first house. This twin has a completely different
set of house rulerships, and although many of the planetary placements
in our charts would be VERY similar, the significance and meanings
of those placements will be very different.
I'm not trying to imply that people born at about the same time
& place will never have very close charts, I simply want to point
out that a few minutes (of time or distance) can make a big difference
in a chart, and it's interpretations.
I'd be glad to elaborate if anyone is interested. Anyone else have
anything to add?
Molly....
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| 624.7 | The power of houses ? | DGMT01::DUDLEY | Vorsprung durch technik | Thu Jan 21 1988 08:28 | 29 |
| 624.8 | Different time = different rising sign | SSDEVO::YOUNGER | It's the LAW! 186,000 miles/second | Thu Jan 21 1988 11:51 | 8 |
| Actually, if they are born at different hours on the same day, in
the same place, the people would have different rising signs, thus
the planets would be similarly configured, but in different houses.
What house things are in will make a big difference - even though
many of the aspects will be the same.
Elizabeth
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| 624.9 | | AKOV11::FRETTS | you are a shining star... | Thu Jan 21 1988 12:05 | 21 |
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And just to throw in a bit more information around this topic....
there are a number of different house systems that can be used
to calculate the house cusps. The two I have used are Placidus
and Koch. If I use the same birth data and calculate a Placidus
chart and a Koch chart, the Ascendant (Rising Sign), Descendant,
Mid-Heaven and Nadir are the same, but the remaining house cusps
can, in some cases, be quite different and actually have the
same planets in different houses (i.e. Placidus has Venus and Mars
in the 10th, while Koch has them in the 9th). The interpretation
of these placements would be quite different.
Also, something else to consider. I have twin nephews (17 year
old) who were born 5 minutes apart. They have some similar
personality traits and some different ones. The charts were
almost identical. However, when I checked out their numerological
data based on their names, the differences showed up there.
Carole
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| 624.10 | Differences between twins. | PBSVAX::COOPER | Topher Cooper | Thu Jan 21 1988 14:49 | 8 |
| It's worth noting that it has been found that for many traits twins
raised apart are *more* similar than twins raised separately. The
usual explanation for this is that twins raised together have a
psychological need to assert their individuality and therefore
deliberately (though generally subconsciously) find ways to be
different from each other.
Topher
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| 624.11 | not much difference here ... | INK::KALLIS | Has anybody lost a shoggoth? | Thu Jan 21 1988 15:02 | 8 |
| Re .10 (Topher):
>It's worth noting that it has been found that for many traits twins
>raised apart are *more* similar than twins raised separately.
I dunno. I'd bet it would be about the same. :-D
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 624.12 | I can always depend on Steve. | PBSVAX::COOPER | Topher Cooper | Thu Jan 21 1988 18:00 | 8 |
| RE: .11
Oops!
I meant, of course "...it has been found that for many traits twins
raised apart are *more* similar than twins raised together."
Topher
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| 624.13 | define 'birth' time | 16051::RAMACHANDRAN | Report, don't Create | Thu Jan 21 1988 19:32 | 19 |
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> What you say is very true, which is why an exact time of birth is
> so important when constructing a natal chart. In Helens case, what
I agree, but, is there a definition on the time of birth ?
Some Indian astrologers define it to be the time when the
child takes the first breath. Any other definitions ??
I have been wondering if we could have twins by virtue of two
people being born at different times and places on the globe, but,
which are 'heavenly' the same. Example, a kid being born in Bombay
having the same chart as a kid being born in NewYork 10.5 hours later
with the same ascendant etc..
Am I right in saying that the star positions remain the same for
a 24 hour period, but over different points on the globe ?
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| 624.14 | You could end up with the same house structure just by living in the same place... | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Mon Jan 25 1988 15:40 | 43 |
| One other item to throw into this topic. Relocated charts.
I've just recently started to use relocated charts in earnest.
Relocating someone's chart involves casting the chart as if they'd
been born at that locale. You must change the time by the appropriate
number of hours to compensate for time zones. A person born at 3
am in LA would have his/her birthtime changed to 6 am if relocating
that chart to Boston.
What changes with this technique is not the planetary positions,
but the chart's house structure. And, as others have pointed out,
small changes in the house structure can be quite significant.
Major changes can occur when crossing one or more time zones.
Now what does this have to do with astro twins? Simply that people
born with the same planetary positions, but not the same house
structure, can relocate to a given locale, and end up with nearly
identical house structures. These people, if they should connect
in the course of their daily lives, may find quite a bit more "daily
life" similarities, more than people who simply have the same planetary
positions. And if they were somewhat astrologically knowledgeable,
they might be puzzled about this unless they thought to relocate
their charts to their now-home locales.
And finally, I wonder if this relocation factor was operating
in the case of the astrologer who is investigating the astro twin
phenom due to her observance of strong life coincidences with her
client? I think she should cross-check for this type of thing in
her research.
Marcia
PS. Re: .13, I and many other western astrologers of my acquaintance
use the first breath as the birthtime. So that's what I tell
interested prospective fathers to watch for during delivery.
The esoteric reason I've most familiar with (and also accept as
a truth) is that the moment of first breath is a karmically significant
act for the child, its first act of will, when it actually chooses
to step onto the stage of life. The mother delivers the child whether
it will or no; and it doesn't actively cooperate in coming out! So
the first breath is considered the real start of its independent
existence on the planet.
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| 624.15 | First first gasp to last | DGMT02::DUDLEY | Vorsprung durch technik | Thu Feb 11 1988 17:03 | 18 |
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> I have been wondering if we could have twins by virtue of two
> people being born at different times and places on the globe, but,
> which are 'heavenly' the same. Example, a kid being born in Bombay
> having the same chart as a kid being born in NewYork 10.5 hours later
> with the same ascendant etc..
>
This is exactly what Helen is so curious about !
As for the exact time of birth, I would suggest that it should be
the time that the new born is a free standing and (largely) self
supporting individual - ie: it is breathing under its own volition.
I'm told that the Japanese believe that an individual is 9 months
old at birth. However I think it would be a little difficult to
determine the actual time of fertilisation - sperm stay alive for
some time and gestation periods are rarely exactly 9 months long.
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