Conference hydra::dejavu

 Sense I posted this topic I figured I would post the first note.
Usually when I see a future event, it is in a dream.In the dream
I am usually in an emotionally charged situation.When I see the
future in this way it is very accurate.The events however would
be of little interest to anyone not directly involved in them.
Occasionally I get feelings about events that affect many people.
These feelings are however much less accurate.For instance the year
Ted Kennedy ran for president I had felt strong feelings that he
was going to run in that particular term.I also felt he was going
to win when he ran.With that I post the following.

         George Bush will make a comment that will give
credibility to existence of aliens from other than the earth.

 P.S. I do not believe this myself, but when I get feelings or 
images like this, I have learned not to ignore them completely.

             Feeling silly George D.  

    Robots at the textile mills
    Weaving at the empty looms
    Clothes for masters who have gone
    Working constantly 
    For whom?
    
    
    John M.

    re .1
    
    You don't believe what? That George Bush (Dweeb that he is) would
    say something reasonably intellegent, or that aliens don't exist?
    
    Hopefully the former...
    
    Larry   <o!o>
             \-/  Klaatu Barada Nictu
    
    

    This note is similar to note 339
    
    
    
    Frederick
    

 Frederick you are right, note 339 is pretty much the same.Sorry about
that,I missed it when I checked through.Moderator(s) please feel free to
delete or move the base note I entered (619) and post my following reply as a
reply to 339 if you so desire.

                George D.  

    RE: .3    

 >   You don't believe what? That George Bush (Dweeb that he is) would
 >  say something reasonably intelligent, or that aliens don't exist?
    
 >   Hopefully the former...



  I have a hard time believing that aliens would be capable of visiting 
the earth.I believe they exist because of the estimated number of planets
that might be likely candidates to support evolution and life.I believe the
distances would be prohibitive to their visiting us.

  I think George Bush is capable of saying something reasonably intelligent,
although I personally have never seem him do so.I have seen what appears to
be George Bush saying reasonable things on TV, but how can I be sure it is
not an intergalactic impostor.;^) 


               George D.

    Prediction #1
    
    I predict that there will be a vigorous conflict of opinion within
    the DEJAVU conference.  Though the substence of the conflict will
    be of a serious (perhaps even grave) nature, the conflict will be
    conducted (for the most part) on a high (intilectual?) level.  Noters
    to be involved will include (though not limited to) John M., S.
    Kallis and someone who has not yet ever contributed to the conference.
    As this situation escelates, a noter who claims to be a channeled
    entity will make an effort to contribute with limited success.
                 
    Prediction #2
    
    I (Marion Daly) will be unable to contribute to this conference for 
    perhaps a long time.  I don't know where I'll be or what else I'll be 
    doing, but I can just sort of feel it.  It makes me sad.  I'll miss you
    all.   
    
    If you say that the above two predictions are not such tough calls,
    I would have to agree.  Just by nature they are somewhat probable
    events.  My belief that they will occurr is stronger, however, than
    would be present if I were to only consider the odds.
    
    Marion

    Tomorrow will be......Tuesday!
    :-)
    
    and six days from then will be....another Monday!
    8-))
    
    based on the fact that the Russians are working on space-war technology
    (lasers and such), I can see that the next president had better
    handle this intercontinental MAD/SDI problem with kid gloves or
    there may not BE a dejavu notesfile to post to!
    
    sorry....self-fulfilling prophecies require very little psychic
    potential.  Perhaps I will dust off my Morgan-Greer's and have a
    try....
    
    -Jody
    

    The World Bank will be in serious trouble within the next three
    years (or sooner) and this country followed by a host of others 
    will come very close to (if not actually) being bankrupt.  
    

    All in a row, waiting to go
    They stand in line for 739
    Here they come back in a big plastic sack

    Ere the 80's go out and the 90's come in,
    Cupid shall wander unfettered again.
    
    
    John M.

    	Are you prophesizing this for yourself, John, or for the
    	rest of us DEJAVU'ers???  =;*)
    
    						Carla
    

    In any case please send him/her down under - badly needed.
    
    ...dale
    

    Black and white will cause a fight;
    Left in red, "Earl" isn't dead.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    The Dark waits for the collapse wearing a blue turban and brandishing 
    the Sword Of Islam.

    RE: .13 (Carla)
    
    Nostradamus don't explain, I don't explain.
    
    
    John M.

    
       If I listened to the prophecy in my dreams I should give birth
    sometime this summer.
    
                                               John c.
    

    RE: .18
    
    Boy, it's gonna be a tight squeeze!
    
    Last night I dreamed I was a Hari Krisna.
    
    
    John M.

    I predict that Reagan will die in office or resign due to health 
    problems.  Bush will take over and serve out his term.  

    Mike

RE: .20

    >  I predict that Reagan will die in office or resign due to health
    problems.  Bush will take over and serve out his term.  < 


What's wrong with you, Mike?  Can't you be more *delphic?!*  Ignore that
prophecy, folks.  It should read:


    "Ere twice two years have come about 
    The Cowboy rides into the sun. 
    A little shrub is rooted out 
    To fill the Cowboy's boots anon." 

Geez.  Stop writing things we can understand.  You are a disgrace to prophets
everywhere!

John M.

	I woke up playing the new popular game "Triffles".
    
        Trouble is... I forgot the rules...  
    
    
    	Larry   o.o
    	         O
    
    

        
        Give me one, give me two
        You will know when you are through.

        There are no threes; there are no fours.
        They stand behind the two locked doors.

        Have faith in five, but don't try six
        These two don't make a valid mix.

        Trust in seven, rely on eight
        Love will win and cast out hate.

        At long last nine will rule out ten
        And peace will calm all women and men.

        -bs

re.20

>                    -< Reagan will not serve out his term >-
>
>    I predict that Reagan will die in office or resign due to health 
>    problems.  Bush will take over and serve out his term.  

    Mike,

I agree with your premise but with a slight twist.

Reagan will resign from office not due to _his_ bad health but rather 
_Nancy's_.  This will occur prior to June 30, 1988. 

Something like giving up his office for the woman he loves.

- Howard

The previous will also occur just after he _pardons_ some of the 
people involved in Irangate.

- Howard

My prophecies shall carry clout
When this one has been proven out:
Terpsichore moves in an odd way,
Brings the U.S. mail to Broadway.


John M.

    OH NO!!! 
    	(not the poetry,... please!)

    
        Oh freddled gruntbuggly . . .
        . . . thy micturations are to me/ As plurdled 
        gabblblotchits on a lurgid bee.  
        Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes.
        And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,/ 
        Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my
        blurglecruncheon, see if I don't!              
 
    					by Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz

    
    Well - As I perdicted in 619.7, it seems that I will be separated
    from Digital for an unknown period of time.  This even though I have 
    been contracting for 10 years, and the last 6 or so have been almost
    exclusively Digital back-to-back contracts (yes, even thru the _last_
    job freeze).  I do predict here, though, that I will return some time 
    in the late summer or early fall of 1988.  I have no idea why I feel 
    it will be that long.  I just do.  In the meanwhile, I have a wedding
    and honeymoon to go thru.  After that I'm not exactly sure.  I for
    one hope my prediction is wrong.  I'll be thinking of you all.
    
    
    Marion
    
    PS - Somehow the following short quote from a Paul McCartney & Wings
         song seems appropriate.
    
    
         Good times coming
         Laughing at the good times coming in
         Good times coming
         Laughing at the good times coming in
         Good ... good ... good
         Good ... good ... good .................  :^D

    I guess I shouldn't have put that poem in this file, it looks like
    I've killed everybody who has read it. :-(

    
    .....it was the anchovies.
    
    Cindy

    
    WHAT!!!  You don't like anchovies?  Well, I'll just have to write
    my congresscritter about this, and you'll hear from my lawyer!!!
    
    :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)
               
                      
    Gee, how could anybody not like those little black things with
    eyes???  ;-)

    I'm really twitchy... somethings up.  I can feel it coming.  Somethings
    happening... in the next couple of weeks I'd guess.

    
    .35>I don't know...what it is...but it is...gonna be great!
    .35>Aroung the corner,
    .35>Or whistling down the river,
    .35>come on, deliver,
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    .35>to meeeeeeeeeee ;-)
    
    Did someone say deviver?  Anybody want a pizza?  I might even leave
    the pizza in it...
    
    Naaaahhh!!!! :-) :-) :-) :-)

    I predict, judging from the blurb I read in the TV section of the
    paper, that tonight's episode of "Designing Women" (CBS 8:30 E.S.T)
    will be interesting, and that whatever point they make, it will
    be done in good taste.
    
    Time and time again I have been impressed by this show, and pleased
    with the good feeling it leaves me with.  Even for those who avoid
    commercial TV, it would be a welcome addition to a Monday night
    routine...it's certainly a part of mine.
    
    Long live Julia Sugarbaker!
    
    DW

    	Doug,
    
    	What's the subject matter?
    
    					Carla
    

    Charlene resigns from her church.
    
    But, you've all gone home anyway by now...
    
    DW

	Well, Dejavu noters, I have mentioned this in another topic,
and thought it is time to go ahead and lay it on the line.   I don't
normally get into unsubstantiated areas like this, but I have been
receiving so much information lately on this topic that I thought I
would record this prophecy here;    In the time honored tradition
of scientific study of the psychic, we can see if these prophecies
are true or false down the road.   It will be interesting for me to
read this again a few decades from now, and see how accurate all this
is. (or isn't!?)   I know this all will sound very negative to many
of you, as it sometimes does to me.   But, I have been considering 
the possibilities of this for over a year now, and sitting on this
information.   If it's true, then it is important to get this information
to as many people as possible.   Now, I'm not 100% convinced of all this, 
(maybe 60% or 70% convinced?) but anyway, here goes;

	From what I understand of these prophecies, the pole shift
will be a great disaster, and in another way a great victory.   It
will be, or will seem to be God's judgment on modern civilization,
and will give the survivors an opportunity to live closer to nature,
and repair the ecology.    It will be accompanied by a vast increase 
in UFO activity, as outside forces step in to give us aid.   This will 
be a great release of tension, and an undeniable signal of the beginning 
of a true "new age".    Many of the unconscious tensions people now are 
feeling are due to low frequency physical vibrations that precede major 
Earth movements.

	The specific prophecy is that the Earth's crust will slide
over the liquid core, to a new position.   This slide will be powered
by the off balance weight of the polar ice caps, primarily the southern
ice cap.    The ice caps will slide toward the equator, along with the 
mass of some major mountain ranges; the Rockies, the Himalayas and the 
Andes.   Africa will be one new polar region, and the other pole will 
be in the Pacific.   The North and South American continents will be
in the tropical regions, with the mountain ranges running parallel to
the equator.   The surface of the Earth will shift almost 90 degrees.

	This polar shift may be a natural periodic disturbance of this 
planet,  but it is to come earlier than it would have.   This is being 
accelerated by the disturbance of the ozone layer.   The decay of the 
ozone layer is causing higher temperatures in the tropics and lower 
temperatures at the poles, which is increasing the speed with which the 
ice caps are growing.   Physical shocks, such as might be caused by
war or weapons testing, may begin the movement.

	After the surface of the Earth moves, it will resume a daily
rotation similar to what we have now, although the continents will be
in different positions.   The old ice caps will begin melting, and will
therefore raise the level of the oceans, while new ice caps begin to
form.    Lake Chad, a fresh water lake with no obvious source, may have
been the site of a previous ice cap, and is likely to be near the 
center of the new African ice cap.

	Needless to say, I have had a lot of hesitation about airing
this prophetic material.   It can seem quite depressing, but I think
it is necessary for us to have an understanding of what is to happen.
Some of the prophecies indicate that this event will take place near
the end of the century, while others are predicting this will be even
sooner.   The Harmonic Convergence, last August 17th was supposed to
be the beginning of a five year period of "the Great Purification",
to be completed by 1992.   A family member, who is *very* into astrology
has told me she believes this will all happen within the next three years.
I'm sorry I can't be more accurate than this about *when* this may happen.

	This prophecy holds that there will be no single great world
leader to arise during these events.   Instead there will be a growing
network of leaders working together to restore the ecology and to
encourage cooperation.   The actual shift may only take a few days, at
the most, although there will be an increase of tensions up until the
event, and a long period of settling after the event.

		Alan.

PS.   I have quite a bit of material on various pole shift theories, but
      this topic doesn't seem to be the place for them.   If any of you 
      want to argue or discuss any of this with me, the thing to do would
      be to start a separate "Pole Shift" topic, or perhaps use the 
      "Preparing For the Earth Changes" topic (659) I started a few weeks
      ago.    Here I have summarized both the prophecies and the most 
      plausible (to me!) of the theories, although there are others.   See 
      "Pole Shift" by John White for the best summary of the theories.

    Sounds really interesting Alan.  I can't wait!

    re .40...
    
    have there been any measurements of the "low-level frequencies"
    that are supposed to be driving us nuts?
    
    also, i don't understand how the earth can simultaneously get
    hotter at the equator and colder at the poles...
    
    can you name your sources for the axix-shift theory?
    
    	bruce

    
    	RE .42  (Bruce)
    
    	1) I know of no measurements of the the low frequencies, although 
           it is known that vibrations around 10 Hz drive animals nuts 
           before quakes.  I was just hypothesizing that that might
           explain some human tensions.   Hope I didn't detract from
           these ideas by including this unsubstantiated comment.
    
    	2) The ozone layer is insulation, and insulation can work both
           ways.   Without the layer there, more heat radiates into
           the tropics from the sun.   In areas where there's not a lot of
           sun, the heat radiates away from the surface.   This same
           type of heat radiation happens in the deserts, and is the
           reason why deserts get so hot in the day, but so cold at
           night.
    
    	3) For sources on pole shift theories:  "Pole Shift" by John
           White.    Also, "We Are the Earthquake Generation" by Jeffery 
           Goodman.   For some more generic prophecy, see "Phoenix Rising" 
           by Mary Summer Rain.    Other Native American sources have
           mentioned similar prophecies, but off the top of my head,
           these three books were the best summaries of this, that I've
           found so far.
    
			Alan.    

    You may also read about the changing of the poles in a very bad
    book, _The_Hab_Theory_, which posed as science fiction, but was
    just schlock.  (All I know about that book I learned from the
    designer at Little, Brown who had to work on it.)
    
    							Ann B.

    Alan...your prophecy makes me glad to be living near the Rockies
    instead of in Africa, no doubt!!  If it *does* happen, it will surely
    be startling, even though there is a degree of forewarning...in
    fact, those who "Know" might be at a disadvantage if you compare
    loud/sudden noises research; if someone hears a sudden, loud noise,
    their body reacts by an increase in blood pressure, dilation of
    pupils, etc (Fight/Flight syndrome); if someone is forewarned that
    a loud noise is to come, their body begins to react immediately,
    even before the noise is brought on, and peaks at the same level
    as it would, had they not been forewarned.  How does one prepare
    for a pole shift!?!?!?

    re: -.1
      
        I said this before in another note, but I will say it
    here again in the interests of calming those who get so easily
    excited by "prophesies."  Lazaris talked about the shifting of
    the poles and said that it has happened countless times before
    and that the only effect would be that water would "drain"
    counterclockwise instead of clockwise (or vice versa.)  Big deal,
    right?
    
    
    Frederick
    

    RE: .47  (paul c.)
    
    	Well, the magnetic poles are shifting already.   A few years ago
    I marked two readings on my map, (sorry I don't have the numbers
    handy) one for 1905 and one for 1970,  and they are many miles
    apart.      I suppose the magnetic poles might go on shifting without 
    doing a lot of damage.   Not a whole lot is known about how
    the Earth's field is generated, but it's usually assumed that
    it's generated by moving fluid down in the mantle.
    
    	In the pole shift prophecies I mentioned in my note here, I
    believe they are referring to the crust sliding over the mantle.
    Thus this is a physical shift, not just a magnetic one, that's
    being predicted.   However, if the surface of the planet does shift,
    while the liquid core does not, this will have the magnetic pole
    pointing through a different point on the crust.
    
    		Alan.

RE: last few
    
    For reasons only partially understood the direction of the magnetic
    poles shifts continuously.
    
    For reasons not understood at all, the North and South magnetic
    poles *reverse* every few million years.
    
    There has long been theories about catastrophic shifts in the
    rotational poles of the Earth.  Such a shift is very hard to explain
    mechanically -- there is a *huge* amount of energy and angular momentum
    which has to be accounted for.  Much (though not all) of the evidence
    which inspired these theories in the first place are now well accounted
    for by the reversals of the magnetic poles and, more importantly,
    by continental drift.
    
    					Topher
    

    Scientific explaination that I agree could be possible...
    
    I do not remember where I read this...
                                                     
    
    1. Earth is a magnet traveling through the Universe
      
    2. There is a variable field of magnetism throughout the universe,
       this variable also has null points.  (points of no Magnetism)
    
    3. Earth is off balance due to the spinning on the access and the
       gravitational pull of the other celestial bodies in proximity.
    
    Assumption:  If a magnet such as earth is out of balance it can
                 be balanced by an external magnetic field.  (like 
                 the plasma in a Fusion Reactor) When the Earth transits
                 a void it Deviates a small amount.  During a large
                 void in space...last about 10 - 50 thousand years..
                 the imbalance caused a gravational shift.  Rather 
                 abruptly the North Pole shifted from about the area
                 of Madison, Wisconsin to its present location.
                 "of course this was not gentle, Tidal waves, Cyclonic
                  winds and Earthquakes would be there as well."
    
                 They documented several other shifts of the pole. 
                 And state that the world settles to a new rotational
                 axis after the magnet field is reencountered in space.
    
    Their explanation of the extinction of dinosaurs is the weather
    changes that would accompany this shift.
    
    

RE: .50
    
    I'm not real up on this but my understanding is that various
    effects allow the galactic magnetic field to be estimated fairly
    accurately and it is much weaker than the Earth's.  This is not
    a "local" measurement but an observation of effects involving
    pretty much the whole galaxy.
    
    Similarly the intergalactic magnetic field is very much weaker than
    that.
    
    I haven't the faintest idea what it would mean to say that a magnet
    is out of balance.  I suppose it might mean that the Earth's field
    is not lined up with this supposed Universal magnetic field so that
    when it comes out of the current empty pocket (maintained how?)
    it would try to reallign.
    
    To have any noticable effect this field would have to be *very*
    dense indeed (or so I would guestimate).  And such a dense field
    would certainly have an effect on the spectrum of interstellar
    dust and gas.  Furthermore, if it was strong enough to be abrupt
    then "tidal waves, cyclonic winds and earthquakes" would be the
    least of it.  We are talking about really massive, worldwide
    synchronized disaster of truly monumental scope.  It would leave
    indication that even geologists (:-) would notice (it would be
    rather hard not to notice every tree on earth being knocked over
    and the global temperature rising virtually overnight by 20 or
    so degrees).
    
    But anything weaker and therefore more gradual and somewhat less
    destructive would only change the core (which is all that is really
    signifcantly magnetic) which moves rather easily (as has been noted
    before with the reversals and continual movement of the magnetic
    north pole).  In that case the *rotational* pole would not change
    at all -- or very little, and very gradually.  The earth is an
    *electro*magnet and the dynamo which maintains it is a liquid.
    
    I would also guess that such a powerful magnetic field would
    so distort the Earth's field that the latter would no longer protect
    the surface from the radiation produced by solar flares.  Life
    would probably survive below the surface of the sea, but I wouldn't
    expect it to last long near the sea's surface and on the land.
    All this last is only a guess, though -- someone would have to
    work out the figures.
    
    				Topher

    	RE: .50
    
    		Well, it would take quite a strong external magnetic
    field to physically shift the Earth.   It is possible, but I don't
    think it's likely.   My Halladay + Resnick Physics textbook has
    a passage that states that the magnetic North compass heading, as
    read from London, shifted over 35 degrees between 1500 and 1800.
    This is a *sizeable* magnetic shift, that was accompanied by no
    obviously associated volcanos or earthquakes.   In geological terms,
    such a shift is "sudden".   If an external field were to shift the
    planet it would have to come from somewhere, and so far I'm not
    convinced there is anywhere for it to come from, unless a planetoid
    were to pass through the solar system, or something were to cause
    planets to leave their current orbits.   I regard these as unlikely
    events (to say the least!)
    
    	The major evidence that a pole shift might take place in the
    future, is the historical and geological evidence that such shifts
    have taken place in the past.   The "world ages" recorded in the
    Vedas and by the Mayans may indicate a periodic destruction taking
    place.   The pole shift may have caused ice caps to be formed in
    different places during each age, causing moraines and glacial
    scars.   The periodic "ice ages" of current theory may never have
    happened, if these geological scars were actually caused by pole
    shifts.    The pole shift theory can explain some of the
    inconsistencies in the ice age theory, such as moraines that seem
    to have been formed by glaciers moving toward the current pole,
    instead of pushing away from the pole as expected.
    
    	I still think that heat and mass distribution on the crust of
    the planet are the larger factors, than the magnetic, if such a 
    shift is to take place.   I still think the most sensible of the 
    pole shift theories is that the ice caps will grow until the crust 
    is *physically* out of balance, the theory first put forth by 
    Ignatious Donnelly.    Of course,these  are all theories, and all 
    might be proven wrong.   There may be other mechanisms (and spirits?)
    we know nothing of yet.   Perhaps the planet is conscious ?
    
    		Alan.

    Re .50:
    
    >1. Earth is a magnet traveling through the Universe
    
    Well, I think it's more proper to say the Earth is a body that has
    a magnetic field.  Magnetism isn't the primary way that the Eartyh
    interacts with the rest of the cosmos -- gravitation is far more
    pervasive.
    
    Recall that the earth's magnetic field is bipolar.  The effects
    are this far less obvious some relatively short distance away --
    much less than pure inverse square of gravity.
    
      >2. There is a variable field of magnetism throughout the universe,
      >this variable also has null points.  (points of no Magnetism)
       
    As far as I'm aware, points of "no magnetism" can be found only
    inside some sort of shield, usually ferromagnetic, that contain
    the flux lines better than the circumambient space so that the interior
    of a container made of such metal or other magnetic material would
    have zero flux. 
    
    re .51 (Topher):
    
    >I'm not real up on this but my understanding is that various
    >effects allow the galactic magnetic field to be estimated fairly
    >accurately and it is much weaker than the Earth's.  This is not
    >a "local" measurement but an observation of effects involving
    >pretty much the whole galaxy.
     
    This has been partially verified by some of the deep-space probes.
    In fact, the analog to a shock wave in the interplanetary medium
    for the solar wind stretches _far_ beyond the Earth-Moon system,
    because the terrestrial field is significantly stronger than the
    solar. And the solar is stronger than the interstellar, much less
    the intergalactic.
    
    >I haven't the faintest idea what it would mean to say that a magnet
    >is out of balance.  I suppose it might mean that the Earth's field
    >is not lined up with this supposed Universal magnetic field so that
    >when it comes out of the current empty pocket (maintained how?)
    >it would try to reallign.
     
    Out of balance could be "misaligned"; it might also mean that one
    pole is stronger than the other (proof of monopoles? (-: ).  There
    is nothink _known_ to support the former; the latter is very
    tenuously based on the theoretical.  To establish its validity would
    require careful measurements of field strengths; if there wwere
    anything to it, I'd bet we'd have heard about it long before now.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

RE: .53 (Steve)
    
    >>[me] This is not a "local" measurement but an observation of
    >>effects involving pretty much the whole galaxy.
    >
    > This has been partially verified by some of the deep-space probes.
    
    That is a very strictly local measurment.  It shows that the galactic
    field in the region of the Solar system is weak.  But this is
    what the "polar shift by Universal magnetic field" theory predicts
    would be found currently.  It is therefore irrelevant to deciding
    the truth of this theory.
    
    					Topher
    

    RE: .52 (Alan)
    
    > Perhaps the planet is conscious?
    
    
    I believe this is the premise upon which many of the native american
    and central american prophesies are based.
    
    Carole
    
    

    Re .54 (Topher):
    
    Well, okay, then let's also concentrate on something you alluded
    to earlier.  If there were very strong galactic or intergalactic
    fields, it would be almost certain that you'd getting a Zeeman
    splitting on the emission or absorbtion bands [Fraunhoffer bands
    to the older-timers here] of interstellar gases.  Nobody has detected
    any that I know of.
                        
    Good enough?
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

RE: .54 (Steve)
    
    Yes, the absence of Zeeman spliting is precisely what I was refering
    to when I said that spectral results would be visible if a magnetic
    field strong enough to suddenly shift Earth's axis existed.
    
    If there was a small detectible splitting than that would provide
    a measurement of the magnetic field.  I am under the same impression
    as you -- except in "special" places where strong local fields exist,
    the split is too small to detect.  This gives us only an upper bound
    -- we know that the field is *less* than a certain amount or the
    lines would be measurably doubled.
    
    Also, the omni-directional character of cosmic rays indicates a
    lower bound for the magnetic field.  The galactic magnetic field
    warps the paths of charged cosmic ray particles in essentially
    chaotic fasion so that they seem to be coming to the earth from
    all directions rather from their discrete sources.  The magnetic
    field has to be stronger than a certain amount or this wouldn't
    happen.
    
    These two provide a band of values within which we know that the
    average galactic field falls.  My impression is that other evidence
    provides more precise estimates but I am unsure of the nature of
    that evidence.
    
    					Topher

    Anyone check what's playing on Broadway now?  (See the ad in the New
    York Times or other such papers).
    
    Could it be that I am a prophet?  Or is it a scam? 
    
    
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My prophecies shall carry clout
When this one has been proven out:
Terpsichore moves in an odd way,
Brings the U.S. mail to Broadway.


John M.
    

    For a discussion of the current results and views on pole shift
    timing, the May 88 Scientific American has an article (from the
    "consensus science" point of view...).
    
    Briefly, and subject to memory errors:
    The pole shifts seem to be getting more frequent (currently done
    to 100k year _average_ from 500k, though the decline is by no
    means smooth.
    
    The field strength seems to be declining, currently.  Declines seem
    to precurse (is that a word??) reversals, at least some times.
    
    The field reversals are not clean, snap, events, but may involve
    several "tries" and some "overshoot", where the field goes above
    "normal".  The field can stabilize in "other" patterns than the
    bipolar we are used to.  I couldn't find an estimated duration for
    the _change_, but it seemed to be on the order of years.
    
    The studies are done by drilling cores of lava or ocean bottom sediment,
    anything that is layed down over time, individual portions "trap"
    the magnetic field, which can then be "read back".
    
    None of the explanations offered (there doesnt seem to be a
    consensus yet) for the cause of the reversals seemed to have much
    validity (meteorite impact ????)
    
    thanks
    dave pierson
    

RE: .59
    
    You beat me to it.  You're memory jives with mine.  I'd like to
    emphasize that the tendency for the shifts to get more frequent
    is probably a combination of a gradual decline in reversal period
    over the entire 4 billion year history of the Earth and a tendency
    for reversals to cluster.
    
    I don't remember a literal decline in field strength being mentioned
    (though I may have missed it -- it gets quite hard to read with
    a 14 month old trying to turn to the bright pictures in the ads
    while you read).  What definitely was mentioned was that there are
    two areas of reversed field strength over the southern tips of S.
    America and Africa.  If they grow then eventually they might produce
    a reversal.  Frankly this seemed a weak point of the article.  It is
    consistent with the facts presented in the article that such events
    occur every few centuries but only become complete reversals when
    other conditions are just right.  The temporary excursions would
    then occur when conditions are not *quite* right.  All in all, it
    would seem to be premature to actively worry about it.
    
    My *impression* about time scale from the article was as follows:
    A reversal is a process taking a few thousand years.  There is evidence
    that it is not a continuous process but rather consists of a serious
    of semi-stable configurations each of which develops from the previous
    in *perhaps* a few years -- or maybe longer.  These semi-stable
    (non-dipolar) configurations may either "go-on" or may snap back
    to a previous state in which case it is one of the "temporary
    exersions" or unsuccessful reversals already mentioned.
    
    Despite what the article failed to make clear or even mention (e.g.,
    possible biological consequences), its a good article which I
    recommend.
    
    					Topher