Conference hydra::dejavu

    Father D'Orio of the Worcester Catholic Diocese still holds
    healing sessions from time to time and I've seen them noted
    inthe Worc. Telegram.  My wife and I were raised Catholic but
    are not active in the church.  She attended one of the D'Orio
    sessions in Fitchburg and said she never saw anything like that
    in a church, the energy was palpable.  In my humble opinion it
    is faith in ourselves that ultimately inspires healing, some-
    times we need help to focus and channel the energy that we need.
    Perhaps the son's recent progress is as much from the dedication
    and attention of his father as from the chemotherapy.  Perhaps
    being involved with a large group provides more of it, I don't
    know, but that's my suggestion.....
    
    When I was an infant I was in the care of a woman who lost her
    husband and son in WWII, then lost her mind.  She forgot she was
    caring for an infant.  When my natural mother came to get me, I
    had double pneumonia and was suffering from malnutrition & neglect.
    At the hospital I reacted badly to pennicillin, the only weapon
    available at the time.  My mother appealed to the Rainvilles who
    later adopted me for help.  When they took me home the doctors
    said "He might live, but he'll never walk"
    
    I'm told that my adopted mother sat up night after night with me
    to make sure I didn't stop breathing.  She had 2 teenage daughters
    who spent a lot of time with me, she herself had recently suffered
    through the stillbirth of another daughte and male twins.  She must
    have made the difference, because now I'm 6', 200 lbs., & healthy.
    
    It's a long way from Oklahoma to Mass., but.............MWR
    

    RE:0
    
       If you don't mind me saying: The best Doctor and healer that
    I could think of right off hand is Almighty God; one who knows all
    about your friend's son.. WHEN NOTHING ELSE COULD HELP, CHRIST WON'T
    FELL!! Just recommend that they should accept Jesus Christ as their
    personal savior; then they could pray, and not only your friend's
    son would be healed; but his soul will be saved.
    
    MAY THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL WITHIN THE MIST!!
    
                  GOD BLESS YOU!
    
    LORENZO
    

    Re .2 (Lorenzo):
    
    I believe the first part of .1's entry is very close to what you're
    saying.
    
    Prayer by others won't hurt either.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    I agree with Steve - prayer, in any form, by anyone so moved, will
    not hurt.
    
    There are healers with a cold aura that are good at killing off
    undesirable growths, such as cancer.  He probably needs one of these
    as well as someone good at promoting good health.
    
    Elizabeth
    

    How old is the boy ? Does he have the will or desire to live ? Perhaps
    you should seek a TRAINED visualization therapist who could help
    the child to HEAL HIMSELF !
    
    Perhaps his immediate family/friends could get involved in this
    area also.
    
    Don't overlook Christian Science practitioners (I am not one).
    
    In the interim, why don't we ALL picture the child healthy and whole
    again ?  This is really the best that we can do. It just takes a
    few minutes a day . . .  Visualize him running, playing, leading
    a normal life.
    
    We mortals, "psychic" or "not" do not hold the keys to life and
    death.

    I agree with .5, can you supply some identifiers?, the child's
    first name or nickname?, a brief description of his appearance?
    
    						MWR
    

    
    re: Lorenzo
    
    Just curious...what is the reference for "May the Spirit of G_d
    dwell within the mists"? I haven't heard that before.
    
    Tananda
    

    Perhaps a typo for "dwell in thy midst" i.e. dwell among you?

    
    RE: .5, .6
    
    The boys name is Johnathan Paley.  He is seventeen.  He lives in
    Oklahoma city  with his mother.  
    
    Discription - 6 ft. brown hair, gold-grey-blue-green eyes, olive
    skin.
    
    Johnathan is what most would percieve as a spiritually advanced
    being.  He is also just a plain nice kid.
    
    Even though he has been undergoing extreme and painfull cancer
    treatment, he has managed to keep a straight A average in school.
    Not unlike many teens that suffer this much,  he is unusally adult
    in his outlook and commmunicating ability.  
    
    Johnathan has never been in any trouble and is always helpful to
    others.
    
    I hope that this gives people an idea of what Johnathan is like.
    
    Priscilla
    

    Just a couple of suggestions...
    
    If they haven't already, Jonathan and family could ask ALL friends
    and family to send positive energy his way, by prayer, sending white
    light, the "light of Christ", or whatever they feel they can, to
    him. Visualizations of him being healthy, etc. are also good (as
    per previous note)
    
    In addition, there *are* some mainline medical folk as well as uhm..
    "less-mainline" medical folk who will have patients practice
    visualizations themselves (as, in the last analysis, it's up to
    the individual in question). Many cancer patients have used guided
    imagery in conjunction with mainline therapies to effect cures -
    for example, seeing cancer cells as army "guys" losing to the healthy
    cells' army. I believe the actress Jill Ireland used these techniques
    in a recent bout with cancer.
    
    I have no idea how to go about finding such a doctor or whatever,
    bu perhaps they could call a major medical center, or even the cancer
    society.
    
    Good luck to all concerned.
    
    --DE
    

To me, this subject of physic healing deals with lower forms of 
consciousness.

That a person chooses to be sick is a personal matter.  We have spoken 
about this in this conference before.  This person may be working off
some Karmic debt incurred in this or a previous lifetime.  We don't 
know *his* situation.

Who are we to interfere?

As far as praying for someone.  I view this is as an intrusion into 
*my* personal space.  I do not wish it violated, no matter how well 
intentioned such a person might be.  No person has any right to pray 
for someone else *unless* it was requested by that person.

There may be plenty of well meaning people out there who wish someone 
else well.  What do we know about those people?  Are they balanced?  
Do they even know what kind of energy they are dealing with?

In my mind, this person's life is his own.  He has to decide on 
healing himself from a spiritual level down to the physical level.  It 
has alot to do with his personal relationship to his G_d.  It is not
for any other person to intereference.

Concern is one thing.  Interference is another.

- Howard

.11 - Howard

What about traditional medicine? Isn't that interference?

I agree that a sick person must choose to self-heal, and the best that
any one else can do, whether it's a psychic or any one else, is to ask
for higher assistance for the one who needs healing. The asking is done
for what is 'right' for that person, and can be done whether the person
asks for it or not. If you're dying and unable to speak, I will pray for
you whether or not *specifically* you have asked me to prior to losing
your ability to speak. We don't go around asking people to pray for us,
but that doesn't mean there are not some in our prayers. I don't see it
as interference.

Jay

    Re .11 (Howard)
    
    That is the difference, as I see it, between religion and magic.
    
    With a religious system, you are asking God/Goddess to do whatever,
    ultimately asking for whatever's right for that person, perhaps
    sending energy with it, and whatever God wants, happens.  Unless
    you don't want God interfering in your life either, I hardly see
    this as interference.
    
    With magic, you send out the energy to that person, for what *you*
    think is best.  This leaves plenty of room for human error - what
    you want and what you get may not be the best.
    
    Remember, the person may not be sick as a result of their own karmic
    debt/desire to be sick.  They may be sick as a lesson to someone
    else.  They may be sick as a lesson to help them to learn to accept
    outside help.  There can be a lot of reasons for this, and I trust
    God to do the right thing.
    
    Elizabeth

    
    
    re: .11 Howard and .12 Jay
    
    I agree with Howard to a point and I also agree with Jay's response.  
    The way I approach this situation is to send the prayer for the person 
    and I ask God that only what is best for the person happen.  If a
    person's space is interfered with by prayer, than it would also be 
    interfered with by thoughts.  I have an awful lot of thoughts about a 
    lot of people during my normal day and it would be hard to shut
    them off! :-)
    
    I think it is important to remember that people are dealing with
    very personal spiritual issues, and that our thoughts and prayers
    for them always be sent with their highest good in mind, not ours.
    
    Carole
    
    

    
    
    Ok Henry, here you go.....!
    
    Carole :-)
    
    

         I believe I create my own reality--both figuratively and
    literally.  Within that foundation exist many, many levels.  As
    an analogy, imagine looking into a glass building from the top.
    From there, it may look like the chair is on the top floor along
    with the lamp and table.  In "reality" they may be separated by
    many different floors.  It is only when you view the building from
    the "side" that the difference becomes more clear.  Likewise, healing
    or prayer, etc. can exist on various planes, too.  Ultimately,
    (one of the beauties of believing in CYOR) the responsibility is
    your own.  Up until it becomes ultimate, however, it can be delegated
    in varying degrees throughout "your reality."  To this extent, then,
    you can look for learning, healing, pleasure, distress, and so on
    (suspiciously looking like all the things we are aware of) from
    any number of "external" sources.  If you do not wish to receive
    or give, you won't!  Perhaps some day you will be in a position
    to recognize that everything exists in your reality for your own
    personal reasons and along with that knowledge you will see that
    you can change them in any sequencing, intensity, etc. that you
    desire.  At that point you may not choose to allow external influences
    or you may decide that you do not wish to extend beyond yourself
    (for you can always withdraw within yourself.)  On this physical
    level of ours, however, it behooves us to realize that we have an
    impact on others and that they have an impact on us.
       (For related reference, see note 358.72--the healing continuum.)
      
    Frederick
    

re .12 - Jay

What about traditional medicine? Isn't that interference?

	I don't think medicine is interference.  I (as a sick person) 
	go to a doctor and ask for assistance.  That is a conscious 
	act on my part.  Yes, there are situations where the person 
	may be unconscious and someone else may take it upon himself
	karma here anyone?) to help.  I am just very wary of people 
	"sending energy" or praying for someone else.

I agree that a sick person must choose to self-heal, and the best that
any one else can do, whether it's a psychic or any one else, is to ask
>>>for higher assistance for the one who needs healing. The asking is done
>>>for what is 'right' for that person, and can be done whether the person
asks for it or not. If you're dying and unable to speak, I will pray for
>>>you whether or not *specifically* you have asked me to prior to losing
your ability to speak. We don't go around asking people to pray for us,
but that doesn't mean there are not some in our prayers. I don't see it
as interference.

	One must realize that when they ask for  "what is right" 
	for someone else, it may not necessarily be a positive 
	experience. In reality, what we think is right, getting 
	well, may not be what is right for that person.

	If you were to say something like "G_d, there is someone 
	"name_here" who requires your assistance, then I feel alot 
	better about that.  Notice in this case the prayer is without 
	a specified action or result.  This is a detached message to G_d.  
	It is in the hands of Spirit.  The individual making the 
	statment is doing so without *trying to maniupulate it*!

    Re .13 (Elizabeth)
    
    That is the difference, as I see it, between religion and magic.
    
    With a religious system, you are asking God/Goddess to do whatever,
>>    ultimately asking for whatever's right for that person, perhaps
>>    sending energy with it, and whatever God wants, happens.  Unless
    you don't want God interfering in your life either, I hardly see
    this as interference.

	I agree with you here.  The answer lies between the person and 
	his/her God/Godess.   My concern about asking for what is 
	right for a particular person may result in something "unexpected."
	Healing can manifest in many different ways.

    With magic, you send out the energy to that person, for what *you*
    think is best.  This leaves plenty of room for human error - what
    you want and what you get may not be the best.


	Agreed.
    
    Remember, the person may not be sick as a result of their own karmic
    debt/desire to be sick.  They may be sick as a lesson to someone
    else.  They may be sick as a lesson to help them to learn to accept
    outside help.  There can be a lot of reasons for this, and I trust
    God to do the right thing.

	Again I agree with you.  But my larger point is that we don't 
	know the specifics.  You or I or not directly involved.  How are 
	we to know what is the best for someone else?  Let's give it over 
	to G_d to take care of.
    
    re: .14 Carole
    
    I agree with Howard to a point and I also agree with Jay's response.  
    The way I approach this situation is to send the prayer for the person 
    and I ask God that only what is best for the person happen.  If a
    person's space is interfered with by prayer, than it would also be 
    interfered with by thoughts.  I have an awful lot of thoughts about a 
    lot of people during my normal day and it would be hard to shut
    them off! :-)

	I think its great to think about others during the day.   On 
	some days if I didn't I'd really be off the wall :-)    
	To think about someone (gee, I can't wait to get home to 
	see..., is I feel is a bit different than G_d, please heal 
	Jimmy Jones in the next town.

	The exception to the above is if Jimmy Jones asked you to do 
	it.  Even then I'd be reluctant to do so.  One way or another I 
	believe that Karma gets involved in all this.  Quite frankly I have 
	enough to work with right now and do not want to take on any more. :-)
	That is a Howard decision.  We each make our own individual 
	decisions.


    I think it is important to remember that people are dealing with
    very personal spiritual issues, and that our thoughts and prayers
    for them always be sent with their highest good in mind, not ours.

	Again Carole, I agree.  I'm just concerned that we don't know 
	what *they* really want for themselves.  Example, a friend smashes up 
	their car.  We send thoughts and prayers of "I hope you get what you 
	want", they die.  Maybe what they wanted was to die.  Is that what you 
	intended when you prayed for them.  Personally, I'd rather stay out of 
	it.    
    
      re: .15 (Henry)
    
    
       I think that in our negative-oriented world, people can use as
       much positive energy as they can get. I would think that it's
       not only a right to direct positive thoughts (prayers)  to others,
       it might even be considered an obligation for those who want
       to consider themselves contributors to the human race.

		I'd like to think of myself a contributor to the human 
		race by not interfering in the affairs of others.

		I do not accept in any way the idea of a right to pray 
		for another person let alone an obligation!  What I 
		hear here is a great sense of guilt about caring and concern 
		for others.  That is fine, if that is how you feel.  
		But, please do not concern yourself with the saving of this 
		person's (Howard's) Soul.  I've got that covered by myself!

       You can't project negative energy to another...only positive,
       and if one wants to shut themself off from the helpful energy
       donated by others, it isn't too hard. So you can't have your
       "aura" violated by well-meaning folks sending prayers, in
       my opinion. 

		I disagree.  Negative thoughts or energy can certainly 
		be projected to another.  Go walk down a city street some 
		time and *feel* the hostility of the street.  I lived in NYC 
		for many years.  The feeling is there.  The psychic attacks 
		are there too.
    
       Anyone who has an abundance of energy is certainly welcome to
       send it my way. :-)
    
	re: .17

	I think what Frederick has said is that I get to 
	choose my own reality.  As such, I choose not to pray for someone 
	else.  

	re: previous (general comment)	

	I show concern and compassion for others. I do so in 
	unattached ways, without emotions or guilt controling my actions.

	I make this choice freely with the love of my heart and that
	of G-D.  

	I ask no person in this file to pray for me.
	
	Please understand that I am sincere in my statement.  So, 
	please do not think I need it or whatever.  To do so is a 
	violation of Spiritual Law.  I'll let you work *that* out with your 
	G_d.

	Just remember,

		If the Thunder Don't Get You Then the Lightening Will.

	- Howard

.18 Howard

>	One must realize that when they ask for  "what is right" 
>	for someone else, it may not necessarily be a positive 
>	experience. In reality, what we think is right, getting 
>	well, may not be what is right for that person.

>	If you were to say something like "G_d, there is someone 
>	"name_here" who requires your assistance, then I feel alot 
>	better about that.  Notice in this case the prayer is without 
>	a specified action or result.  This is a detached message to G_d.  
>	It is in the hands of Spirit.  The individual making the 
>	statment is doing so without *trying to maniupulate it*!

This is what I meant Howard. To ask for 'what is right' for that person.
I don't ask for what *I* think is right for that person, and if the
person is unsure about what is right for them or unable to communicate
what is right for them, I leave that up to Spirit to decide.

If the person knows what they believe is right for them, my prayer is
still the same. 'Generic' if you will, "Spirit, do what is right for this
person and for all concerned".

Jay

    
    From the Bible (NT) somewhere back there - Be ye not overcome with
    evil, but overcome evil with good.
    
    Loosely translated in New Age-type terms - Don't get caught up in
    the negative energy, but overcome negative energy with positive energy.
    
    Cindy

    We interfere with each other by virtue of sharing the same time
    and (extended) space, we can't chose not to interfere.  We can
    chose to do so in a positive or negative manner, the illusion
    that we can chose not to interfere is a negative aspect of
    human personality.  I constantly 'interfere' with others and
    I know my best friends by their persistance in 'interfering'
    in my life.  Remember the supplicants who came to the cobblers'
    home & took the gifts he'd saved for the Chirst-child?  "So far
    as you have done to the least of these, you have also done unto
    me."??
    
    Life-lesson here:
    May 1968, rt66 Arizona, hitch-hiking back to N.E. after my Army
    separation with a buddy on leave.  Get a ride in a red Datsun
    driven by a Catholic Priest from Lake Havasu City, I sit in back,
    Bob Turner sits up front.  I'd been a medic on an internal-medicine
    ward, Turner was a Psychiatric Tech, that is part of his job was
    to physically intervene in attempted suicides.  We both had some
    ambulance-riding experience of a similar nature.  Bob & Priest get
    into a discussion about the morality of preventing suicide.  Priest:
    it's a mortal sin to allow another to commit a mortal sin, Bob:
    It's not right to interfere, each of us owns his own life......
    
    We got the the Grand Canyon and walk in one day, out the next, 11:PM
    at night we're on the rim, walking to the El Tovar for a room and
    a bath.  We'd walked a mile straight up, we're both exhausted, and
    he's sick as well.  Noise of a party on the right, two figures run
    out of a house and behind us, Bob yells at me, I turn an see him
    and a Park Ranger looking over the stone wall into the canyon,
    Ranger says "stay here I'll go for help", someone is barely visible
    on the slope 10 ft down, crawling toward the edge of the first drop
    1500' or so i think.  Without hesitation Bob yells at me to get
    out the rope and over the wall he goes....when I get to him and
    the girl, they're sitting on the edge fighting, she's trying to
    go over the edge, all 140 lbs of him is fighting to keep her
    from doing it....We drag her back upslope and get a rope on her,
    help arrives, floodlights, more ropes...numbing realization of
    the risk we took.  I have to tell you, if he hadn't gone over the
    wall first, I wouldn't have.
    
    I can't believe that experience wasn't a lesson.............MWR
    

    re: -.1
        That was a powerful experience!
        As my friend Lazaris has said several times...if someone is
    drowning in front of you, the best choice is usually to attempt
    to save them.  You can never know if their "karma" is to experience
    you saving them or not.  If they really want to die, they will have
    another opportunity.
      
    Frederick 
    

    RE: .22
    
    Exciting story!
    
    I guess you take your personal name seriously.  ;-)
    
    
    John M.
    
    MWR: is the reason you like cats because they can pronounce your
    signiture?

    re . sometime ago "you can project only positive energy....."
    
    nice thought but simultaneously do you accept 
    
    the ying
    abbott and
    oliver
    
        not to mention one sided coins ?

    I would recommend that the young man take a course like Silva Mind
    Control and learn to use visualization for self-healing.
    
    Recommendations of healers:
    
       Andy Caponigro -- Waltham, MA  (617) 899-7102.
       Andy works with the spirit of an ancient Native American medicine
       man to release energy blocks.
    
       Dr. Barry Taylor --  Brighton, MA  (617) 254-7700.
       Barry is an N.D., a doctor of naturopathy. 
        
    
    Let us know how Jonathan is doing.
    
    Love and light,
    Lois