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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

463.0. "Values clarification?" by --UnknownUser-- () Tue Aug 25 1987 01:25

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463.2some of mineERASER::KALLISNot to worry: it's much too lateTue Aug 25 1987 18:5235
    Well, since I've been noting in here for a long time, people probably
    have an opinion where I'm coming from.  However, to dispel any
    doubts....
    
    The most important thing to me is using one's mind.  That, to me,
    requires the ability to research where necessary, experiment where
    possible, not be afraid to try something novel if it will advance
    knowledge, and to keep, as I've said elsewhere, an open mind, but
    not so open one's brains fall out.
    
    One thing I do believe is that everything is unified, and if something
    appears to behave anomalously through one understood set of "laws"
    [i.e., analog of a set of conditions that produce a consistent model]
    that doesn't necessarily invalidate those "laws"; rather, it might
    imply that the anomaly may be due to the action of other "laws"
    that overlap the first set [e.g., picking up a steel nail with a
    magnet doesn't invalidate the "law" of gravity]. 
    
    I question anything that's said just because someone else said it
    (as Medieval "scholarship" endlessly ruminated on the Classical
    scholars such as Aristotle).  I also have a high suspicion of a
    report of an isolated incident without corroboration, but won't
    totally dismiss it.
    
    I try to give people beneit of the doubt; past a point, however,
    if a report starts to stray off, my "doubter" engages (e.g., the
    story about the house plagued by demons seemed worth looking at
    it, but as the figure of Ed Warren became clear in the background...)
    and my critical facilities work overtime.
    
    I don't like those who use gullibility to take advantage of others,
    particularly those that "take" the gullible for cash (bogus charms,
    "can't lose" money schemes, etc.).
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
463.3My turnPRANCR::EVANSMWed Aug 26 1987 22:3115
    I've been looking at my self and attitudes to try and come up with
    a clear picture of my values that could be put into this file. 
    Basically, I respect personal honesty, flexibility and the willingness
    to try to put one's thoughts into action.  I like to think that
    I am open to new ideas and spiritual paths that I haven't walked.
    (Unless pressured that "this" path is the only one, in which case
    I also dig in my heels.)  I enjoy talking with others who are also
    seeking their way in the world, because I don't feel that anyone
    here has all the answers.
    
    I am very closed to people who ask for advice, help, healing, or
    what have you, and then reject what I or others have to say because
    it doesn't fit their model of life.  If you don't want to hear it
    don't ask.  I'm also closed to unsolicited advice "for my own good"
    I've always agreed with Thoreau on anyone out to do me good.
463.4short but pert'nentGNUVAX::BOBBITTface piles of trials with smilesThu Aug 27 1987 17:476
    I try to be open minded.  I like stuff by Richard Bach.  I like
    the ideas set forth in "The Prophet" by Kahlil Gibran.  I like to
    learn about others' ideas.  And my fingers are tired today.
    
    -Jody
    
463.5" Call me irrepressable...."CURIE::COSTLEYMon Aug 31 1987 16:0640
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    I am the son of an ex-R.C. nun (Polish-speaking order) in the USA.
    
    I grew up a very orthodox R.C., consequently, but explored Zen and
    Vedanta in my late teens and early 20s. Consequently, I came to
    appreciate the manner & parables of Jiddhu Krishnamurti of Ojai CA,
    ...who might well be called an ex-Theosophical-Society Freethinker.   
    
    In my formative years ('42-'60) R.C. orthodoxy was rigidly-controlled;
    its harsh no-nonsense attitude towards non-material phenomena I thought
    simply proprietary. Its denial of reincarnation, a serious deception.  
    
    --  I rather flatly told a Jesuit I knew at Boston Collge in '63:
    " Catholocism is a perfectly defensible mystery-religion, if only
      it would admit it were! " Brashest insolence @ 21 & still true.
    
                             {1963-84+}
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    But none of these matters are theoretical. You can experience aspects
    of the Actual (vs 'real') World yourself. You must have simple courage
    to believe that you have done so and that you are not self-misled.
    
    I'm not liable to be talked into thinking I gullibly mislead-myself:
    my past-lives regression session in '84 confirmed what I had known.
    (see Note 105 Been Here Before? .50 and .51 for some more details.)
    It's all really that ordinary: you contain your past(s) & your end(s).
    
    You can choose to delegate that away @ your temporary peril; so I
    chivvied Steven Kallis, Jr. about Reagan On Psychics, in Note 186.* 
    You hardly need anyone's permission to be who you know you are. 
    
    This is not @ all what has been called Enlightened Egotism, however;
    that seems to have been coopted quite strenuously by neoObjectivists
    (Ayn Rand & Nathaniel Branden, who has since abandoned Objectivism.)
    
    My bias is one of an irrepressably-distributive mutual aid & support,
    with charity amongst all, for all, without typical malice for most!
    Call me irrepressable...